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(The Week)   Lottery winners develop resentment against Obama for letting them win   ( theweek.com) divider line
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2014-02-15 10:10:36 AM  
"I got mine, fark you."
 
2014-02-15 10:15:18 AM  
More rich people who did nothing to get their money hating Obama? Color me shocked.
 
2014-02-15 10:33:15 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: More rich people who did nothing to get their money hating Obama? Color me shocked.


While I'm sure it would be the case in the U.S. as well, the article and the actual study was in reference to the UK and has no mention of President Obama :-)

/bloody wanker yobbos
 
2014-02-15 11:22:21 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: More rich people who did nothing to get their money hating Obama? Color me shocked.


What do you mean "did nothing"? I got carpal tunnel syndrome from filling in all those bubbles over the years. At least now I can get it treated thanks to Obamacare, but really, Obama just wants to take my hard earned money and I get nothing in return. NOTHING!
 
2014-02-15 11:33:45 AM  
My brother was a Teamster for about 30 years.  He retired last year, and he's got his sweet sweet Teamster pension now.  So naturally he's developed a "fark all the unions" attitude.

People are not rational.
 
2014-02-15 11:52:08 AM  

lennavan: "I got mine, fark you."

 
2014-02-15 12:07:14 PM  

lennavan: "I got mine, fark you."

 
2014-02-15 12:09:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: My brother was a Teamster for about 30 years.  He retired last year, and he's got his sweet sweet Teamster pension now.  So naturally he's developed a "fark all the unions" attitude.

People are not rational.


This is why we can't have nice things, etc.

And I'm not singling out your brother here. It's a problem I see that is far too common. My grandfather was a UAW member who made a good living on a high school diploma. My uncle (grandfathers son, obviously) hates unions and says they benefit nobody,
 
2014-02-15 12:11:04 PM  
Rich people tend to be greedy snobs that feel it's every man for himself out there. Big shock. Let me find my fainting couch.
 
2014-02-15 12:14:56 PM  
Winner:  "I won 150 million!"
Lottery people: "Yeah but you took the lump sum so that's half of it and half goes to taxes so it's more like 37.5 million.
Winner: "Man! Fark the government!"
 
2014-02-15 12:16:47 PM  
FTA: Or do right-wing values - like emphasizing the importance of self-reliance - make people more likely to become rich?

Well, emphasizing them on TV certainly makes the Fox Blondes rich. But I suppose that isn't what he meant.
 
2014-02-15 12:18:40 PM  
My dad had a union. For 30+ years he made a living, bought a house, never had to move for work, never got laid off or a raw deal. Now he complains they are crooked. I would kill to have what he had.
 
2014-02-15 12:23:21 PM  
Well, sure. You go from being generous with other people's money to being generous with your own.
 
2014-02-15 12:24:42 PM  
Don't lottery winners tend to be stupid people who blow it all in three years?
 
2014-02-15 12:27:52 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:  People are not rational.

Prezackly.
 
2014-02-15 12:29:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Don't lottery winners tend to be stupid people who blow it all in three years?


don't lottery winners tend to be stupid people who buy lottery tickets?

/and vote republican?
 
2014-02-15 12:29:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: My brother was a Teamster for about 30 years.  He retired last year, and he's got his sweet sweet Teamster pension now.  So naturally he's developed a "fark all the unions" attitude.

People are not rational.


My wife's Aunt and Uncle, diehard Republicans, retired and moved to Florida from New Jersey because there's no income tax.

Of course their income is his pension from a lifelong state job, but they see nothing wrong with that at all.

/politics aside they're incredibly generous and sweet people. Just a funny note of irony.
 
2014-02-15 12:29:51 PM  
I moonlight in a liquor store. My day is spent listening to people biatch that their taxes pay for welfare queens while they take half an hour trying pathetically to game the system, giving all of their hard earned money right back to the government, in the vain hope they may one day live off the government for nothing more than dumb luck.
 
2014-02-15 12:31:12 PM  

Mjeck: My dad had a union. For 30+ years he made a living, bought a house, never had to move for work, never got laid off or a raw deal. Now he complains they are crooked. I would kill to have what he had.


A lot of them are crooked.

Doesn't mean the lot of their members isn't better than non-union workers... they can still be crooked.  Anytime any representational body forms with any sort of power, helloooo corruption.  Human nature, ain't it grand?

/also thugs.  THUGS I tell you.  Erry last one
 
2014-02-15 12:32:48 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: My brother was a Teamster for about 30 years.  He retired last year, and he's got his sweet sweet Teamster pension now.  So naturally he's developed a "fark all the unions" attitude.

People are not rational assholes.


FTFY.
 
2014-02-15 12:35:16 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: I moonlight in a liquor store. My day is spent listening to people biatch that their taxes pay for welfare queens while they take half an hour trying pathetically to game the system, giving all of their hard earned money right back to the government, in the vain hope they may one day live off the government for nothing more than dumb luck.


At least South Orange is a beautiful town.
 
2014-02-15 12:36:57 PM  

lennavan: "I got mine, fark you."


"I've got a gun and now I have yours too. Second Amendment ftw, study it out!"

/nah, that will get me arrested
//"Gold can only go up!"
 
2014-02-15 12:37:36 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Well, sure. You go from being generous with other people's money to being generous with your own.


Sorry, you didn't get any bites. Try again later.
 
2014-02-15 12:41:06 PM  

Mjeck: My dad had a union. For 30+ years he made a living, bought a house, never had to move for work, never got laid off or a raw deal. Now he complains they are crooked. I would kill to have what he had.


Yeah, my dad started as a janitor with no college education, also in a company that had a union. HIs company offered training for open positions higher up in the company, which he took advantage of, and when he retired he was making six figures. The idea you put the requisite work in, be patient, and you'll be successful world is almost completely gone. Yet, still that older generation openly laments about people not wanting to work hard when little of the opportunity is there for people today that was there for prior generations.
 
2014-02-15 12:43:29 PM  

organizmx: My wife's Aunt and Uncle, diehard Republicans, retired and moved to Florida from New Jersey because there's no income tax.

Of course their income is his pension from a lifelong state job, but they see nothing wrong with that at all.

/politics aside they're incredibly generous and sweet people. Just a funny note of irony.


Don't old people generally move there because of the sun?

Sounds like faulty logic there.
 
2014-02-15 12:46:57 PM  
Or do right-wing values - like emphasizing the importance of self-reliance - make people more likely to become rich?

Certainly, giving equal weight to right wing bullshiat apparently makes a person more likely to get their article published.
 
2014-02-15 12:47:20 PM  
whither_apophis:
//"Gold can only go up!"

Is that the opposite of trickle-down economic theory?

/judging by all of the cash-for-gold advertisements in poorer areas, anyway
 
2014-02-15 12:48:47 PM  

organizmx: Snatch Bandergrip: I moonlight in a liquor store. My day is spent listening to people biatch that their taxes pay for welfare queens while they take half an hour trying pathetically to game the system, giving all of their hard earned money right back to the government, in the vain hope they may one day live off the government for nothing more than dumb luck.

At least South Orange is a beautiful town.


The store I work at is in Denville, so most of my customers are homeless drunks and meth heads from Boonton.

Shamelessly self absorbed thread jack: where in Jersey are you? (apologies if we've had this discussion before)
 
2014-02-15 12:48:49 PM  
That's right, it's called the PJ O'Rourke effect.

You get money and suddenly "Screw The Man" becomes "I've Got Mine".
 
2014-02-15 12:53:39 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Winner:  "I won 150 million!"
Lottery people: "Yeah but you took the lump sum so that's half of it and half goes to taxes so it's more like 37.5 million.
Winner: "Man! Fark the government!"


That would be the case here. But this was a study in the UK. I don't think they tax winnings the same way there.
 
2014-02-15 12:55:10 PM  

lennavan: "I got mine, fark you."


I know it feels like that but really, it's "I've got mine, go get your own".
 
2014-02-15 12:55:35 PM  
Winning the lottery is probably the first time most of these people have ever had to deal with income taxes.

Age 18-45: Working in crappy job when not feigning disability / Paying no income tax due to EITC / Voting straight Democratic

Age 45: Wins lottery / Realizes that income tax is awful / Re-registers as Republican

Age 47: Blows last of lottery winnings / Feels entitled to previous lifestyle / Re-registers as Democrat
 
2014-02-15 12:56:41 PM  
Just like Wall Street, where a few lucky bastards roll the dice and win. Start with 10,000 newbies and fire the lower half each year and by the tenth you'll think the survivors are god like.

Acknowledge that everything you have is by way of fickle luck, and everything can go away in a poof by the same luck. Then hedge realistically, carry some amount of insurance, and in case of asteroid strike enjoy the experience as you die. If there is an afterlife go willingly, if there is no afterlife then at least you didn't go out anxious.
 
2014-02-15 01:04:15 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: I moonlight in a liquor store. My day is spent listening to people biatch that their taxes pay for welfare queens while they take half an hour trying pathetically to game the system, giving all of their hard earned money right back to the government, in the vain hope they may one day live off the government for nothing more than dumb luck.


Lottery winnings are actually out of pot paid for by people who hope to beat the odds and get that pot back, not from taxes.  Winning a lottery is not exactly living off the government.
 
2014-02-15 01:04:45 PM  

wildcardjack: Just like Wall Street, where a few lucky bastards roll the dice and win. Start with 10,000 newbies and fire the lower half each year and by the tenth you'll think the survivors are god like.


A million times this.

Even if smart moves are tweaking the odds in ones favor, there is every possibility of losing it all in life despite the good decisions.

But people are too selfish and close-minded to see that just like they can suffer from ill fortune, so too did most of the people who are doing worse than them.  But instead they go through life thinking they have it harsh and everyone else is simply making poor choices or is lazy.

/I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2014-02-15 01:05:27 PM  

clowncar on fire: lennavan: "I got mine, fark you."

I know it feels like that but really, it's "I've got mine, go get your own".


LOTTERY.  WINNERS.

The very definition of LUCKY.
 
2014-02-15 01:09:07 PM  

MayoSlather: Yeah, my dad started as a janitor with no college education, also in a company that had a union. HIs company offered training for open positions higher up in the company, which he took advantage of, and when he retired he was making six figures. The idea you put the requisite work in, be patient, and you'll be successful world is almost completely gone. Yet, still that older generation openly laments about people not wanting to work hard when little of the opportunity is there for people today that was there for prior generations.


Well, in reality, that "opportunity" has only really been there for 2 or 3 generations.  Remember that the generation prior to "The Greatest Generation" had to strike long enough to impede interstate commerce and face the threat of not firing, but death, if they didn't stop impeding interstate commerce...just get the government to notice what was happening in company towns.  And even then, had William McKinley not died, they still might have failed.  And even then,it took the invention of the assembly line and Henry Ford to prove that, yes, you can make a successful business and still pay your workers enough to at least buy your product (and hire more of them, and not have to have them be total experts at what they're being hired for).
 
2014-02-15 01:10:31 PM  
FTA: "Or do right-wing values - like emphasizing the importance of self-reliance - make people more likely to become rich? "

That's what we've been trying to tell you.

Captain Dan: Winning the lottery is probably the first time most of these people have ever had to deal with income taxes.

Age 18-45: Working in crappy job when not feigning disability / Paying no income tax due to EITC / Voting straight Democratic

Age 45: Wins lottery / Realizes that income tax is awful / Re-registers as Republican

Age 47: Blows last of lottery winnings / Feels entitled to previous lifestyle / Re-registers as Democrat


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-15 01:11:34 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Don't lottery winners tend to be stupid people who blow it all in three years?


Almost like there's a correlation between lottery players and being bad with money.
 
2014-02-15 01:12:17 PM  

wildcardjack: Acknowledge that everything you have is by way of fickle luck, and everything can go away in a poof by the same luck.


That's what losers tell themselves.  In reality, luck is hugely important, but obviously not the most important factor - otherwise, any random schlub would be equally likely to become rich.

I'd say the most important traits for becoming successful are, in no order: hard work, luck, talent/brains, determination, and risk-taking.
 
2014-02-15 01:12:24 PM  

clambam: Marcus Aurelius:  People are not rational.

Prezackly.


No, that's pretty rational. He now has a pension. Adding more workers to it after he retires may threaten its stability. Hence, fark them.
 
2014-02-15 01:15:37 PM  
What has not been so well understood is why. There seems to be two main hypotheses: Do the wealthy and powerful tend to favor right-wing politics out of their own self-interest, e.g. voting for lower taxes to preserve their wealth? Or do right-wing values - like emphasizing the importance of self-reliance - make people more likely to become rich?

Right like those self-reliant people who married into rich families and were born into rich families.

I have found that actually those who got rich because of their own actions are often more liberal than those who became rich from marrying into it, or getting it from family (through inheritance or connections).

Look at it, "Old money" people are usually very conservative and they are the people who didn't do shiat to get it.
 
2014-02-15 01:15:40 PM  

clowncar on fire: lennavan: "I got mine, fark you."

I know it feels like that but really, it's "I've got mine, go get your own".


You do realize everyone pays into the system, right? That everyone includes those "lazy people".
 
2014-02-15 01:16:13 PM  

Captain Dan: wildcardjack: Acknowledge that everything you have is by way of fickle luck, and everything can go away in a poof by the same luck.

That's what losers tell themselves.  In reality, luck is hugely important, but obviously not the most important factor - otherwise, any random schlub would be equally likely to become rich.

I'd say the most important traits for becoming successful are, in no order: hard work, luck, talent/brains, determination, and risk-taking.


You mean like...lottery winners?
 
2014-02-15 01:17:27 PM  
www.westernjournalism.com Finds "Self-reliance" by marrying someone rich and becomes Republican.
 
2014-02-15 01:18:42 PM  

Captain Dan: I'd say the most important traits for becoming successful are, in no order: hard work, luck, talent/brains, determination, and risk-taking.


Actually they have looked into it. You know what the number one factor in the US to become rich is? BEING BORN TO A RICH FAMILY.

That is the number one thing. Not anything you listed.
 
2014-02-15 01:19:02 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: clowncar on fire: lennavan: "I got mine, fark you."

I know it feels like that but really, it's "I've got mine, go get your own".

You do realize everyone pays into the system, right? That everyone includes those "lazy people".


No.  You have to be at least marginally productive to pay into the system.  Even if it's working at Taco Bell part-time.  There is a whole class of people who are anchors.
 
2014-02-15 01:19:46 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Winner:  "I won 150 million!"
Lottery people: "Yeah but you took the lump sum so that's half of it and half goes to taxes so it's more like 37.5 million.
Winner: "Man! Fark the government!"


I think most conservatives got that way when they got their first $5/hr job and found out they weren't taking home $200/wk.
 
2014-02-15 01:21:47 PM  

Captain Dan: Winning the lottery is probably the first time most of these people have ever had to deal with income taxes.

Age 18-45: Working in crappy job when not feigning disability / Paying no income tax due to EITC / Voting straight Democratic

Age 45: Wins lottery / Realizes that income tax is awful / Re-registers as Republican

Age 47: Blows last of lottery winnings / Feels entitled to previous lifestyle / Re-registers as Democrat


That's how I feel about athletes who complain about taxes.  Many of these guys are coming from crippling poverty and were raised in broken homes.  If they make it to the NFL, they are guaranteed a minimum salary of $390K, which is more than anyone in their family has ever seen.  And yet, they still scream bloody murder because they government takes half.  I get complaining about taxes (I'm certainly doing that this year), but I will never understand the complete loss of perspective some experience when they hit it big.
 
2014-02-15 01:22:04 PM  

Infernalist: You mean like...lottery winners?


They're a vanishingly small fraction of all millionaires.
 
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