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(NPR)   One in four Americans think the sun goes around the Earth. No word how many think the Earth is actually flat and located atop four elephants which themselves are balanced upon a giant turtle   (npr.org) divider line 41
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2014-02-15 07:23:37 AM
8 votes:
Teach the Controversy

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2014-02-15 12:45:26 AM
6 votes:
Book lurning is for librals. I wasn't evolutioned from some farking munkey you idiots.
2014-02-15 07:58:53 AM
4 votes:
Ook?
2014-02-14 11:53:34 PM
4 votes:
I farking wish. We could use a Vetinari in charge.
2014-02-15 06:37:39 AM
3 votes:
I actually sat in a class where someone expressed disbelief that the sun didn't revolve around the Earth. You could almost hear the record scratch. The professor recovered nicely and didn't make a whole lot of it, but boy were there a lot of looks exchanged by the other students.
2014-02-15 06:01:07 AM
3 votes:
The Tea Parties right!  Are kids are to preshush to give them public ejucation! Alls they need is the Bible, cuz we ain't monkees you libral loosers!

Just look up in the air and you can see the sun going around the earth. duh!  Common since!
2014-02-15 04:01:45 AM
3 votes:

seventypercent: we already did this thread


Over, and over, and over again

/until we actually lower someone over the side this argument will never be settled
2014-02-15 01:29:00 AM
3 votes:
We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education
2014-02-14 11:58:09 PM
3 votes:
The average IQ in the US is 98.  With a low score of 55 and a high score of 145, that puts the lowest 25% ranging between 55 and 78 which means that one in four Americans are either idiots or are channeling the spirits of 17th century Inquisitors.  That should adequately answer the question.
2014-02-14 11:54:46 PM
3 votes:
Turtles all the way down, baby!
2014-02-15 10:20:51 AM
2 votes:

Prey4reign: The average IQ in the US is 98.  With a low score of 55 and a high score of 145, that puts the lowest 25% ranging between 55 and 78 which means that one in four Americans are either idiots or are channeling the spirits of 17th century Inquisitors.  That should adequately answer the question.


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2014-02-15 09:24:06 AM
2 votes:

Fubini: In the same survey, just 39 percent answered correctly (true) that "The universe began with a huge explosion"

Uh, but that's wrong. The most accurate model of the universe's early life starts out with the universe being physically small, and then rapidly expanding.


That's not what is being taught, though.  At least, if that is what is being taught today, that's not what was taught, and junior high science classes don't offer followup newsletters, so it's still good news at least.

/this new learning amazes me.  tell me again how sheep bladders can be used to prevent earthquakes
2014-02-15 08:06:20 AM
2 votes:
I was discussing (trolling) the age of the Earth with a fundie woman who believed it was only 6000 years old. I got her so flustered, she semi-yelled, "are you saying I don't really believe this?!?" I replied, "Oh no, I truly believe that you truly believe the Earth is only 6000 years old ....... I'm just saying you're an idiot for believing it." And many chuckles around the room were heard.
2014-02-15 06:59:23 AM
2 votes:
Given that the question didn't give "the solar-system's barycentric coordinates, chained to the Milky Way's barycentric coordinates, chained to the barycentric coordinates of the universe" as an option, THEY CAN ALL GO SUCK MY MANFLUTE.
2014-02-15 06:36:13 AM
2 votes:
The turtle moves
2014-02-15 06:35:39 AM
2 votes:
A quarter of Americans surveyed could not correctly answer that the Earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, according to a report out Friday from the National Science Foundation.

WE'RE NUMBER 1!!! WE'RE NUMBER 1!!! USA!!! USA111!!!

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2014-02-15 09:52:19 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: VendorXeno: Michelle Bachmann, a prominent Tea Party member, has championed anti-homosexual policy both in the GOP and in the Tea Party, both places where it is popular. Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul for whom the Tea Party initially formed around, and also a prominent Tea Party congressperson, is on record as saying he believes private business should be allowed to discriminate based on race. You are flat out wrong. You are also profoundly ignorant and blatantly dishonest and no longer worth conversing with.

ciberido: Let's not worry so much about what the Left says. Let's try asking racists how much they agree with the Tea Party. Or, hey, ask Glenn Beck. You can hardly accuse him of being a rabid leftist.

We now arrive at the crux of the problem.  You think you get to define what racism, sexism, homophobia, and discrimination is.


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Rovian projection indeed.  You're a farking mirror.
2014-02-15 02:19:32 PM
1 votes:
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Princess Celestia laughs at your heliocentric fantasies.
2014-02-15 12:23:03 PM
1 votes:
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Intelligence is a myth, competence is real.
2014-02-15 11:49:09 AM
1 votes:
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move
2014-02-15 09:34:29 AM
1 votes:
Lenny_da_Hog:

It's why dumbkins get so violent when you contradict them on factual issues. You're not insulting their intellect, you're insulting their mothers.

Well, they shouldn't take it so personally that their mothers were dumb.
2014-02-15 09:28:35 AM
1 votes:

Bad_Seed: Son of Thunder: Part of this harmonized with the optimism of progressive politics. If there is no innateness, then all humanity's problems are due to harmful social conditions. If we have the power to engineer new social conditions, then there is no limit to our ability to perfect the human condition. When researchers began exploring genetic or evolutionary explanations for behavior, it was not right-wingers, but left-wingers, who organized protests on campuses, chanting about how the universities must throw out the "fascist nazi pigs" who threatened progress toward a better world.


And they were right to do so. Although the left these days are firmly on the "nurture" side of the debate, that wasn't the case in the past. Before the war, biological determinism, scientific racism and eugenics were perfectly acceptable progressive positions. Then a chap named Hitler came along and made them all deeply unpopular. The post-war reaction against biological determinism in human and social sciences is due almost entirely to the actual Nazis. A lot of determinists today try to hide behind a claim of scientific neutrality and deny that there is a political aspect to their work, but they are at best fooling themselves. There is always a political aspect to studying people (and often animals) and good scientists ought to be aware of it, (O.E. Wilson claimed ignorance, Pinker is smarter and is trying to recast his position in a positive, almost progressive light). The other problem is that a lot of this evolutionary psychology is actually quite dubious science to begin with, that's been harshly criticised by scientists both for its assumptions and the paucity of useful results; it's great fodder for a certain sub-species of Neanderthal who want to justify backwards ideas about gender and sometimes even race and class by cloaking them in a supposedly neutral "scientific truth".

If you haven't already, I suggest you check out Stephen Jay Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man". He mainly talks about IQ testing, but he's brilliant unpicking the fallacies and assumptions that always seem to accompany biological determinism.


I have read The Mismeasure of Man and I am aware of the dangerous past that the "nature" side of this debate has. My take on issues like this is (if any of my students were here, they'd know what words are coming next) "it's complicated". My position as a psychologist is that "nature" and "nurture" interact in complex ways to influence behavior, and that our current agenda should be to try and understand the complexity instead of arguing for one side or the other as the whole truth. So I fully agree with much of what you said, with the exception of "they were right to do so". The best response to science that contradicts my politics is more science, not organizing hordes of chanting liberal-arts undergrads.
2014-02-15 08:53:55 AM
1 votes:
"It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the Disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists' houses and smashing their windows."
2014-02-15 08:47:52 AM
1 votes:

MBooda: Welcome to Louisiana.
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/there are all kinds of creationists


had to . . .
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2014-02-15 08:13:49 AM
1 votes:

Copper Spork: Notabunny: We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education

Because as the article shows, public education is doing a great job.


It's a little hard to explain basic concepts to kids whose parents immediately contradict them all at home and in church.

I can explain the earth's rotation once, and the biggest consequence you'll have is a letter from A-F placed on a form.

Momma and the preacher, on the other hand, can tell you you're stabbing their loving hearts in the back if you don't believe them, and they'll tell you that every day. You'll get a hug when you give the right answer, and you'll be much more tangibly punished when you don't.

It's why dumbkins get so violent when you contradict them on factual issues. You're not insulting their intellect, you're insulting their mothers.
2014-02-15 07:49:21 AM
1 votes:

jaybeezey: No, only red neck tea party people are ignorant. Ghetto dwellers are super smart, as evidenced on their predisposition to vote for Obama based completely on his economic policies and NOT on half of his racial makeup.


exactly. that's why in the years before Obama ran for president, black people never ever voted for a democrat. ever.
2014-02-15 07:43:08 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: Turtles all the way down, baby!


Ken had only part of the story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dEgWy7kbew
2014-02-15 07:41:48 AM
1 votes:
Whar Big Bang ingredients come from? Whar?
2014-02-15 07:34:44 AM
1 votes:

a particular individual: Fark_Guy_Rob: For the record, I'm one of those who was told the Earth goes around the Sun.  So I memorized it.  It has proved to be completely useless information for me.  Never once was I like, 'No wait!  The Earth goes around the Sun, so I need to turn Left here and not Right'.  Outside of some specific career paths, it's just useless trivia.

You personally don't apply that knowledge, but you benefit from it every day. Knowledge of how the solar system works is essential for making GPS systems, which tell you "Turn left."


If I say " I turn left because I know where I'm going. I don't own a GPS", does that me sound like a posturing hipster or a grumpy old man?
2014-02-15 07:31:27 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.


When I close my eyes, I can feel the turn of the Disc beneath me.

/The Turtle Moves
2014-02-15 06:59:42 AM
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: Copper Spork: that some groups of people are genetically predisposed to be more intelligent than others,

Only in the sense of breeding for it as the Jews did. Sort of the way that giraffes' long necks was a freak mutation in a few individuals that caught on and took off because long-necked giraffes got more to eat and produced more offspring, had the Jews not fetishized intellectuality they'd most likely have died out long ago.

Otherwise it's that some individuals in some groups somehow wound up more intelligent than others and some of them managed to reproduce their genes and pass on their love of learning (or at least of being Mr Smartypants) before the idiots ground them down. At least in Europe large numbers of those who kept selecting for smartness for generation after generation managed to survive by helping the rulers get rich and by paying the rulers to protect them, which accounts for the Jews' survival. It's not natural genetics, it's cultural eugenics. We could breed a generation of brilliant hillbillies if we paid more attention.

How sad that in "the West" assimilation has wrecked the Jews' breeding program and undermined its cultural supports and benefits just when Israel needs smart American Jews to send money and rally support for the more moderate political groups who can use their ingrained pragmatism to reach an understanding with the Palestinians and out-compete the Israeli version of the Tea Party mindset.

Even "purebred" Jews are becoming as stupid as the average American by giving up those cultural programs that made being smart mean something: what the good of being brilliant when your concerns don't extend beyond pop culture? Does the world really benefit from several thousand Star Trek geeks?


So they're the master race that's being diluted by the subhumans? Interesting viewpoint, Adolph.

/ the circle of life indeed
2014-02-15 06:48:22 AM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: The Liberals' War on Science How politics distorts science on both ends of the spectrum

Surveys show that moderate liberals and conservatives embrace science roughly equally (varying across domains), which is why scientists like E. O. Wilson and organizations like the National Center for Science Education are reaching out to moderates in both parties to rein in the extremists on evolution and climate change.


Good article, but I farking hate sentences like this:

"As Harvard University psychologist Steven Pinker documents in his 2002 book  The Blank Slate(Viking), belief in the mind as a tabula rasa shaped almost entirely by culture has been mostly the mantra of liberal intellectuals, who in the 1980s and 1990s led an all-out assault against evolutionary psychology via such Orwellian-named far-left groups as Science for the People, for proffering the now uncontroversial idea that human thought and behavior are at least partially the result of our evolutionary past."

Dammit, I'm too sleepy to deal with that. I had to paste it into Wordpad and edit down to this to be sure I knew WTF the author meant:

"Liberals led an assault against evolutionary psychology for saying human thought and behavior are partially the result of evolution."
2014-02-15 06:44:20 AM
1 votes:

Copper Spork: Notabunny: We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education

Because as the article shows, public education is doing a great job.


So, uh, cut funding more?
2014-02-15 06:19:47 AM
1 votes:

kidgenius: It's not so much that there is a correlation between intelligence and political affiliation, but that people with certain political leanings appear to be actively hostile toward education in general, not to mention science.


Right. Try telling lefties that some groups of people are genetically predisposed to be more intelligent than others, and wait for the witch hunt.
2014-02-15 05:59:50 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: seventypercent: we already did this thread

Over, and over, and over again

/until we actually lower someone over the side this argument will never be settled


I'm pretty sure the turtle is female, that was resolved when we didn't crash into that star
2014-02-15 05:00:37 AM
1 votes:
Well, how many people voted for a Tea Party candidate?  Say that represents ~20% of the number who believe in the elephant thing.  Then add in Kansas.  About 60% of the South... 

Jesus Christ, something like 60m Americans believe that.
2014-02-15 02:48:50 AM
1 votes:
...you mean it's not?
2014-02-15 01:40:18 AM
1 votes:

seventypercent: we already did this thread


Hell, I think we already did a repeat of a follow-up of this thread.
2014-02-15 01:26:03 AM
1 votes:
we already did this thread
2014-02-15 12:57:54 AM
1 votes:
I predict a mix of Fox News anti-intellectual Conservative Patriot white trash and morons from the ghetto (of any race in theory) who think learning is for sellouts. Everyone loses.
2014-02-15 12:14:14 AM
1 votes:
How many believe in Global Warming?
 
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