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2014-02-15 06:54:38 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Pointy Tail of Satan: I discovered a friend thought the Sun was actually burning. Like in oxidizing. I was so literally stunned by this, that I didn't know what to say.

At worst, I expected an answer like "some kind of atomic/nuclear thing....."

I wonder how many members of Congress are this ill-informed?

What difference does that to a politician?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=symYfq51aho
 
2014-02-15 06:55:13 AM  

a particular individual:
"Liberals led an assault against evolutionary psychology for saying human thought and behavior are partially the result of evolution."


Somehow I doubt that liberals would be the only ones against the idea that thought and behavior are the tied to evolution. In general, most of the public probably doesn't like that idea because, we're humans. We're "special" and therefore we are more than just some chemicals in our brains.

It's similar to the idea that criminals aren't criminals because they choose to be, but instead due in a not insignificant part to their brain's chemistry/biology, over which they have no control.

It's an interesting field, but it definitely makes people from all spectrums quite uncomfortable.
 
2014-02-15 06:57:53 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Ill-informed?  I mean yes, people obviously should be aware of evolution, the fact that this planet goes around the sun and other scientific basics.  But unless your friend is a scientist why does it matter to you that he/she doesn't really know how the sun operates?

I think I'd rather have my member of Congress more familiar with the details of the national budget than what powers the sun.


and when they work on the national budget and slash science education funding because "no one really needs to know things like what powers the sun" remember what you said here.
 
2014-02-15 06:58:17 AM  
dammit, too many 'all's; time for bed.
 
2014-02-15 06:59:23 AM  
Given that the question didn't give "the solar-system's barycentric coordinates, chained to the Milky Way's barycentric coordinates, chained to the barycentric coordinates of the universe" as an option, THEY CAN ALL GO SUCK MY MANFLUTE.
 
2014-02-15 06:59:30 AM  
It's not that there are people who believe things that aren't true, it's that so many other people choose that first person as their elected representative based on how fervently and publicly that first person espouses those beliefs.
 
2014-02-15 06:59:38 AM  

kidgenius: a particular individual:
"Liberals led an assault against evolutionary psychology for saying human thought and behavior are partially the result of evolution."

Somehow I doubt that liberals would be the only ones against the idea that thought and behavior are the tied to evolution. In general, most of the public probably doesn't like that idea because, we're humans. We're "special" and therefore we are more than just some chemicals in our brains.

It's similar to the idea that criminals aren't criminals because they choose to be, but instead due in a not insignificant part to their brain's chemistry/biology, over which they have no control.

It's an interesting field, but it definitely makes people from all spectrums quite uncomfortable.


Also, liberals are far more likely to embrace the notion that teh ghey is biological. The Scientific American article isn't an article--it's an editorial grinding an axe.
 
2014-02-15 06:59:42 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Copper Spork: that some groups of people are genetically predisposed to be more intelligent than others,

Only in the sense of breeding for it as the Jews did. Sort of the way that giraffes' long necks was a freak mutation in a few individuals that caught on and took off because long-necked giraffes got more to eat and produced more offspring, had the Jews not fetishized intellectuality they'd most likely have died out long ago.

Otherwise it's that some individuals in some groups somehow wound up more intelligent than others and some of them managed to reproduce their genes and pass on their love of learning (or at least of being Mr Smartypants) before the idiots ground them down. At least in Europe large numbers of those who kept selecting for smartness for generation after generation managed to survive by helping the rulers get rich and by paying the rulers to protect them, which accounts for the Jews' survival. It's not natural genetics, it's cultural eugenics. We could breed a generation of brilliant hillbillies if we paid more attention.

How sad that in "the West" assimilation has wrecked the Jews' breeding program and undermined its cultural supports and benefits just when Israel needs smart American Jews to send money and rally support for the more moderate political groups who can use their ingrained pragmatism to reach an understanding with the Palestinians and out-compete the Israeli version of the Tea Party mindset.

Even "purebred" Jews are becoming as stupid as the average American by giving up those cultural programs that made being smart mean something: what the good of being brilliant when your concerns don't extend beyond pop culture? Does the world really benefit from several thousand Star Trek geeks?


So they're the master race that's being diluted by the subhumans? Interesting viewpoint, Adolph.

/ the circle of life indeed
 
2014-02-15 07:00:25 AM  

Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.


I would agree that's the astronomy one in particular is not due to rejection of science, but just ignorance. The evolution question would be more about rejection of science instead of ignorance. We can fix the ignorance stuff through better education and providing our schools proper funding. The evolution type stuff is a bit more difficult, as it challenges people to change their beliefs. Better education can help, as well as fighting the fight to keep I.D out of schools. Due to our nation's history and it's general religious identification, it's a much longer road on those types of topics.
 
2014-02-15 07:03:41 AM  

kidgenius: Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.

I would agree that's the astronomy one in particular is not due to rejection of science, but just ignorance. The evolution question would be more about rejection of science instead of ignorance. We can fix the ignorance stuff through better education and providing our schools proper funding. The evolution type stuff is a bit more difficult, as it challenges people to change their beliefs. Better education can help, as well as fighting the fight to keep I.D out of schools. Due to our nation's history and it's general religious identification, it's a much longer road on those types of topics.


Surely there's an early Blue Oyster Cult song which puts this whole thing in perspective.
 
2014-02-15 07:04:44 AM  

El Rich-o: Surely there's an early Blue Oyster Cult song which puts this whole thing in perspective.


Or Beastie Boys
 
2014-02-15 07:09:22 AM  

Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.


Agreed - 100%

Even among those who did answer correctly, only a tiny subset of them could explain how they could prove it or what implications it has.  The vast majority were told 'X is true' and will repeat 'X is true' while looking down at people who don't know 'X is true'.

// For the record, I'm one of those who was told the Earth goes around the Sun.  So I memorized it.  It has proved to be completely useless information for me.  Never once was I like, 'No wait!  The Earth goes around the Sun, so I need to turn Left here and not Right'.  Outside of some specific career paths, it's just useless trivia.
 
2014-02-15 07:11:29 AM  

The One True TheDavid: How sad that in "the West" assimilation has wrecked the Jews' breeding program and undermined its cultural supports and benefits just when Israel needs smart American Jews to send money and rally support for the more moderate political groups who can use their ingrained pragmatism to reach an understanding with the Palestinians and out-compete the Israeli version of the Tea Party mindset.


See, you sound pretty smart until you post a paragraph like that one.  Are you not aware of the many attempts at accommodation with Palestinians that nearly every Israeli political party has tried?  All to no avail because Palestinians are the intransigent ones?  It is impossible to negotiate with someone for whom death is a promotion.  It is also impossible to negotiate with someone whose core belief is that you have no right to exist.  Palestinian leaders adhere to both of those principles supremely, if not to the exclusion of all others.

I would also argue that the Jewish "wisdom" you recognize isn't so much about IQ as about business acumen.  The Jewish people traditionally respected the supremacy of the rule of law, in their case handed down from god.  Everyone, from king to peasant, was bound by the rule of law.  Further, they believed in individual property rights.  In most societies of the time, all property belonged to the monarch and all citizens lived according to his pleasure.  The Jews believed that every person could hold property on his own and that all were answerable to the same laws.  The Torah contains almost as many references to civil law as religious law.  That is why the Jews were so successful as traders and merchants, regardless of where they happened to be.  That is their cultural heritage.
 
2014-02-15 07:16:44 AM  
Outside lighter feeling a slight disturbance in the force here.

BBC reports talks on Syria finishedd
 
2014-02-15 07:21:52 AM  
Let the pacing commence...all tactics aside...this strategy unnerves me.
 
2014-02-15 07:23:37 AM  
Teach the Controversy

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2014-02-15 07:28:06 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: For the record, I'm one of those who was told the Earth goes around the Sun.  So I memorized it.  It has proved to be completely useless information for me.  Never once was I like, 'No wait!  The Earth goes around the Sun, so I need to turn Left here and not Right'.  Outside of some specific career paths, it's just useless trivia.


You personally don't apply that knowledge, but you benefit from it every day. Knowledge of how the solar system works is essential for making GPS systems, which tell you "Turn left."
 
2014-02-15 07:28:50 AM  
One in four farkers don't care that this is a repeat and are rehashing yesterday's arguments anyway.
 
2014-02-15 07:31:24 AM  

fusillade762: Turtles all the way down, baby!


Thank you motherf*cker! ^5
 
2014-02-15 07:31:27 AM  

Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.


When I close my eyes, I can feel the turn of the Disc beneath me.

/The Turtle Moves
 
2014-02-15 07:33:34 AM  
Can anyone honestly claim, what with crap like, "you can't explain the tides," O'reilly, that Fox News has contributed directly to this?
 
2014-02-15 07:34:29 AM  
Well. It does since motion is relative to the observer.
 
2014-02-15 07:34:44 AM  

a particular individual: Fark_Guy_Rob: For the record, I'm one of those who was told the Earth goes around the Sun.  So I memorized it.  It has proved to be completely useless information for me.  Never once was I like, 'No wait!  The Earth goes around the Sun, so I need to turn Left here and not Right'.  Outside of some specific career paths, it's just useless trivia.

You personally don't apply that knowledge, but you benefit from it every day. Knowledge of how the solar system works is essential for making GPS systems, which tell you "Turn left."


If I say " I turn left because I know where I'm going. I don't own a GPS", does that me sound like a posturing hipster or a grumpy old man?
 
2014-02-15 07:40:24 AM  

stuhayes2010: Well. It does since motion is relative to the observer.


Curvilinear motion is not subject to general relativity. You can't switch an orbit just by changing your viewpoint, like you can with a vector. There's no math that describes the Earth orbiting the Moon, by which I mean that there was once math that described that, by which I mean it described the Sun orbiting the Earth, and it was horrible and wrong. Which is why everyone scrapped it.
 
2014-02-15 07:41:48 AM  
Whar Big Bang ingredients come from? Whar?
 
2014-02-15 07:42:32 AM  

VendorXeno: stuhayes2010: Well. It does since motion is relative to the observer.

Curvilinear motion is not subject to general relativity. You can't switch an orbit just by changing your viewpoint, like you can with a vector. There's no math that describes the Earth orbiting the Moon, by which I mean that there was once math that described that, by which I mean it described the Sun orbiting the Earth, and it was horrible and wrong. Which is why everyone scrapped it.


You can do the maths with the Moon taken as the origin, or any other point. It's just much more complicated, and has no benefits.
 
2014-02-15 07:43:08 AM  

fusillade762: Turtles all the way down, baby!


Ken had only part of the story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dEgWy7kbew
 
2014-02-15 07:43:11 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: For the record, I'm one of those who was told the Earth goes around the Sun. So I memorized it.


I was one of those nerds who read voraciously from a very early age.  My parents, to their credit, encouraged that.  Every week they would take me, and my siblings, to the library where we were allowed to take out 5 books - because that's how many lines there were on the check out slip.  I felt cheated when, years later, I discovered that the library would have happily permitted me to fill out more than one slip but that it was my parents who limited us to the 5 books per week.  I read everything from Hardy Boys to science books.  One book that stands out in my mind to this day was a book titled Time.  Don't remember the author or publisher but it was a relatively small book with a fair number of pictures aimed at elementary readers.  It explained the nature of time, why there are time zones, how seasons work, why the Equator matters, why the tropics are placed where they are and why the polar circles are where they are and also the relationships of the planets.  I am not sure why that book stuck so firmly in my mind but it did.  And it gave a better and more detailed explanation of the relationship of the sun to the earth than any public school science textbook used in my schools all the way through High School.  And, if the paltry amount what most of the textbooks had to say on the subject had been presented on a day I was looking at the cute girl with the long, dark hair, the mini skirt, and the gorgeous legs instead of listening, I might have been stuck for an answer to the question in the survey.
 
2014-02-15 07:43:25 AM  

Copper Spork: VendorXeno: stuhayes2010: Well. It does since motion is relative to the observer.

Curvilinear motion is not subject to general relativity. You can't switch an orbit just by changing your viewpoint, like you can with a vector. There's no math that describes the Earth orbiting the Moon, by which I mean that there was once math that described that, by which I mean it described the Sun orbiting the Earth, and it was horrible and wrong. Which is why everyone scrapped it.

You can do the maths with the Moon taken as the origin, or any other point. It's just much more complicated, and has no benefits.


I think we're saying pretty much the same thing.
 
2014-02-15 07:45:07 AM  

hasty ambush: The Liberals' War on Science How politics distorts science on both ends of the spectrum

Surveys show that moderate liberals and conservatives embrace science roughly equally (varying across domains), which is why scientists like E. O. Wilson and organizations like the National Center for Science Education are reaching out to moderates in both parties to rein in the extremists on evolution and climate change.


That article was incredibly unconvincing. It was essentially saying, "sure, conservatives are retards, but liberals have a smaller percentage of people who are wrong on the same issues and sometimes they take their factual and accurate objections to potentially harmful technologies a bit too far."

Hardly a "war" on science from the left.
 
2014-02-15 07:46:08 AM  

Copper Spork: VendorXeno: stuhayes2010: Well. It does since motion is relative to the observer.

Curvilinear motion is not subject to general relativity. You can't switch an orbit just by changing your viewpoint, like you can with a vector. There's no math that describes the Earth orbiting the Moon, by which I mean that there was once math that described that, by which I mean it described the Sun orbiting the Earth, and it was horrible and wrong. Which is why everyone scrapped it.

You can do the maths with the Moon taken as the origin, or any other point. It's just much more complicated, and has no benefits.


Although, to be sure, as we switch from general to special relativity, working with gravity and the light speed constrict, the more massive/inertial body can't actually be the orbiter. If it were then all the math says collision.
 
2014-02-15 07:47:41 AM  

Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.


No, only red neck tea party people are ignorant. Ghetto dwellers are super smart, as evidenced on their predisposition to vote for Obama based completely on his economic policies and NOT on half of his racial makeup.
 
2014-02-15 07:48:30 AM  

Prey4reign: The average IQ in the US is 98.  With a low score of 55 and a high score of 145, that puts the lowest 25% ranging between 55 and 78 which means that one in four Americans are either idiots or are channeling the spirits of 17th century Inquisitors.  That should adequately answer the question.


well, we've found one of the people who responded to this survey.
what even is a bell curve?
 
2014-02-15 07:49:21 AM  

jaybeezey: No, only red neck tea party people are ignorant. Ghetto dwellers are super smart, as evidenced on their predisposition to vote for Obama based completely on his economic policies and NOT on half of his racial makeup.


exactly. that's why in the years before Obama ran for president, black people never ever voted for a democrat. ever.
 
2014-02-15 07:54:21 AM  

Joak: Surveys show that moderate liberals and conservatives embrace science roughly equally (varying across domains), which is why scientists like E. O. Wilson and organizations like the National Center for Science Education are reaching out to moderates in both parties to rein in the extremists on evolution and climate change.

Can you tell  us what an evolution or climate change extremist looks like?  I am  worred I may be one and not even know it.


I'm pretty sure that E.O. Wilson counts as an evolution extremist.
 
2014-02-15 07:55:43 AM  

El Rich-o: kidgenius: Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.

I would agree that's the astronomy one in particular is not due to rejection of science, but just ignorance. The evolution question would be more about rejection of science instead of ignorance. We can fix the ignorance stuff through better education and providing our schools proper funding. The evolution type stuff is a bit more difficult, as it challenges people to change their beliefs. Better education can help, as well as fighting the fight to keep I.D out of schools. Due to our nation's history and it's general religious identification, it's a much longer road on those types of topics.

Surely there's an early Blue Oyster Cult song which puts this whole thing in perspective.

"don't fear the Reefer"?

 
2014-02-15 07:55:58 AM  

Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.


And that right there is the very ignorance and idiocy being discussed here. What faction defines itself by having a host of people who reject evolution? Or climate science? Or ANY science? Whatever their issues, you don't find really any democrats, ever, forcing kids to take tests in school encouraging them to praise a god for reality, or palling with conservative Christians to insist that evolution is impossible sans reasoning. To think that all factions are equally ignorant about these concepts is ignorance. It means you're not thinking or paying attention, at all. Just like the poor morons who think the Sun orbits the Earth. Exactly the same level of ignorance.
 
2014-02-15 07:56:44 AM  
Half of all people are below average.
 
2014-02-15 07:57:23 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: hasty ambush: The Liberals' War on Science How politics distorts science on both ends of the spectrum

Surveys show that moderate liberals and conservatives embrace science roughly equally (varying across domains), which is why scientists like E. O. Wilson and organizations like the National Center for Science Education are reaching out to moderates in both parties to rein in the extremists on evolution and climate change.

That article was incredibly unconvincing. It was essentially saying, "sure, conservatives are retards, but liberals have a smaller percentage of people who are wrong on the same issues and sometimes they take their factual and accurate objections to potentially harmful technologies a bit too far."

Hardly a "war" on science from the left.


A false equivalency, in my Fark? Zounds!
 
2014-02-15 07:58:53 AM  
Ook?
 
2014-02-15 08:04:29 AM  

SirEattonHogg: I think I'd rather have my member of Congress more familiar with the details of the national budget than what powers the sun.


Something something about sending our most enlightened to represent us in government rather than the lowest common denominator...

There are over 300,000,000 Americans. There is no excuse for sending someone to Congress who doesn't have a very good understanding of both (except the education of the electorate).
 
2014-02-15 08:06:20 AM  
I was discussing (trolling) the age of the Earth with a fundie woman who believed it was only 6000 years old. I got her so flustered, she semi-yelled, "are you saying I don't really believe this?!?" I replied, "Oh no, I truly believe that you truly believe the Earth is only 6000 years old ....... I'm just saying you're an idiot for believing it." And many chuckles around the room were heard.
 
2014-02-15 08:09:38 AM  

jaybeezey: Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.

No, only red neck tea party people are ignorant. Ghetto dwellers are super smart, as evidenced on their predisposition to vote for Obama based completely on his economic policies and NOT on half of his racial makeup.


So refreshing to see Republicans going ahead and being honest about their hatred for non-whites. Get it on out there in the open, boy!
 
2014-02-15 08:12:50 AM  

Mr. Right: I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.


This is a common whine from the idiot front. It has nothing to do with politics. My knowledge of evolution doesn't come from my political party. It comes from reading, thinking, being educated. It has no political anchor. Same with my climate knowledge. What I know about carbon, greenhouse gases, the upper atmosphere, etc., these all come from learning, education, experimentation, etc. 

To you, all of this can be buried under political dualism because you're ignorant, but to the educated and intelligent, there is no dualism. There are thousands of factions, worldwide, easily able to recognize, employ and apply science, and then there's a small handful of blind idiots rejecting all of it for lunacy like creationism. These people don't represent political dualism, they represent a war on reality.
 
2014-02-15 08:13:49 AM  

Copper Spork: Notabunny: We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education

Because as the article shows, public education is doing a great job.


It's a little hard to explain basic concepts to kids whose parents immediately contradict them all at home and in church.

I can explain the earth's rotation once, and the biggest consequence you'll have is a letter from A-F placed on a form.

Momma and the preacher, on the other hand, can tell you you're stabbing their loving hearts in the back if you don't believe them, and they'll tell you that every day. You'll get a hug when you give the right answer, and you'll be much more tangibly punished when you don't.

It's why dumbkins get so violent when you contradict them on factual issues. You're not insulting their intellect, you're insulting their mothers.
 
2014-02-15 08:14:17 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Half of all people are below average.


Makes you think.
 
2014-02-15 08:21:31 AM  

a particular individual: Fark_Guy_Rob: For the record, I'm one of those who was told the Earth goes around the Sun.  So I memorized it.  It has proved to be completely useless information for me.  Never once was I like, 'No wait!  The Earth goes around the Sun, so I need to turn Left here and not Right'.  Outside of some specific career paths, it's just useless trivia.

You personally don't apply that knowledge, but you benefit from it every day. Knowledge of how the solar system works is essential for making GPS systems, which tell you "Turn left."


Sure, sure.  I'm not saying knowledge isn't good for mankind.  I'm saying most knowledge doesn't help any individual man (or woman).  Because of that, I don't feel smug or superior to someone who doesn't know that the Earth goes around the Sun.

I don't expect anyone buying a Garmin GPS to know the physics required to make it work.  Or the electrical engineering, or the project management, or the businessy crap that went into it, or the esoteric tax laws that govern the company that made it, or the shipping company, or the computer science behind the pathing algorithms used.

I expect a physicist to know stuff about physics.
I expect an electrical engineer to know stuff about electronics.
Etc, etc....

Most of what students are taught in school is just a bullet point to be memorized, and later repeated.  Most people who know the Earth goes around the Sun just remember being told that.  They haven't verified it or even really thought about it.  They don't have any better understanding of how their GPS works because of it, nor are they better equipped to use their turn-by-turn navigator.  Them having that knowledge doesn't benefit them at all.  They benefit some other smart people having a LOT more information.

It's akin to having 8th graders memorize that 'The travelling salesman problem is NP-complete'.  Well - so what.  It's just a random factoid unless you have a pile of other information about what it means and, unless you are doing pretty specialized work, it doesn't matter to you.
 
2014-02-15 08:23:15 AM  
Someone once said to the philosopher Wittgenstein how stupid medieval Europeans living before the tme of Copernicus must have been that they could have looked at the sky and thought the sun was circling the Earth. Wittgenstein is said to have replied,: "I agree. But I wonder what it would have looked like if the sun had been circling the earth"--James Burke
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2014-02-15 08:23:25 AM  
Welcome to Louisiana.
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/there are all kinds of creationists
 
2014-02-15 08:24:43 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: a particular individual: Fark_Guy_Rob: For the record, I'm one of those who was told the Earth goes around the Sun.  So I memorized it.  It has proved to be completely useless information for me.  Never once was I like, 'No wait!  The Earth goes around the Sun, so I need to turn Left here and not Right'.  Outside of some specific career paths, it's just useless trivia.

You personally don't apply that knowledge, but you benefit from it every day. Knowledge of how the solar system works is essential for making GPS systems, which tell you "Turn left."

Sure, sure.  I'm not saying knowledge isn't good for mankind.  I'm saying most knowledge doesn't help any individual man (or woman).  Because of that, I don't feel smug or superior to someone who doesn't know that the Earth goes around the Sun.

I don't expect anyone buying a Garmin GPS to know the physics required to make it work.  Or the electrical engineering, or the project management, or the businessy crap that went into it, or the esoteric tax laws that govern the company that made it, or the shipping company, or the computer science behind the pathing algorithms used.

I expect a physicist to know stuff about physics.
I expect an electrical engineer to know stuff about electronics.
Etc, etc....

Most of what students are taught in school is just a bullet point to be memorized, and later repeated.  Most people who know the Earth goes around the Sun just remember being told that.  They haven't verified it or even really thought about it.  They don't have any better understanding of how their GPS works because of it, nor are they better equipped to use their turn-by-turn navigator.  Them having that knowledge doesn't benefit them at all.  They benefit some other smart people having a LOT more information.

It's akin to having 8th graders memorize that 'The travelling salesman problem is NP-complete'.  Well - so what.  It's just a random factoid unless you have a pile of other information about what it means and, unl ...


How the fark do you reach adulthood not learning that basic fact? Whether or not it reflects on intelligence, it would reflect heavily on background. It is a severe eccentricity, and not a flattering one. It's the trivia version of having gingivitis. It is, to be frank, an unforgivable level of ignorance and whether the problem lies with the individual or the culture that brought them up, there's a problem there we should care about, if we care about our society at all.
 
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