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2014-02-14 11:53:34 PM
I farking wish. We could use a Vetinari in charge.
 
2014-02-14 11:54:46 PM
Turtles all the way down, baby!
 
2014-02-14 11:58:09 PM
The average IQ in the US is 98.  With a low score of 55 and a high score of 145, that puts the lowest 25% ranging between 55 and 78 which means that one in four Americans are either idiots or are channeling the spirits of 17th century Inquisitors.  That should adequately answer the question.
 
2014-02-15 12:14:14 AM
How many believe in Global Warming?
 
2014-02-15 12:45:26 AM
Book lurning is for librals. I wasn't evolutioned from some farking munkey you idiots.
 
2014-02-15 12:57:54 AM
I predict a mix of Fox News anti-intellectual Conservative Patriot white trash and morons from the ghetto (of any race in theory) who think learning is for sellouts. Everyone loses.
 
2014-02-15 01:26:03 AM
we already did this thread
 
2014-02-15 01:29:00 AM
We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education
 
2014-02-15 01:40:18 AM

seventypercent: we already did this thread


Hell, I think we already did a repeat of a follow-up of this thread.
 
2014-02-15 02:30:23 AM
In the same survey, just 39 percent answered correctly (true) that "The universe began with a huge explosion"

Uh, but that's wrong. The most accurate model of the universe's early life starts out with the universe being physically small, and then rapidly expanding. There is no explosion involved, it's more as though you had a very high pressure gas contained inside a room, and then that room suddenly grew 1000 times in size. The gas would undergo significant cooling, and the volume that the gas occupies is much larger than previously, but there was no magic explosion of gas that brought the gas into being... the gas was already there to begin with. Likewise, all the matter and energy in the universe was there at the start, but it rapidly cooled and expanded in response to the expansion of the early universe.
 
2014-02-15 02:39:08 AM
Also, if you look at the actual data subby is referencing (table 7-8) it looks like the US does qualitatively as good as other countries aside from a question about evolution.
 
2014-02-15 02:48:50 AM
...you mean it's not?
 
2014-02-15 03:28:13 AM

Prey4reign: The average IQ in the US is 98.  With a low score of 55 and a high score of 145, that puts the lowest 25% ranging between 55 and 78 which means that one in four Americans are either idiots or are channeling the spirits of 17th century Inquisitors.  That should adequately answer the question.


It's been a long time since Statistics class, but I'm pretty sure your math is wrong. Bell curves, how to they work??

However, that's not to say I disagree with your point.
 
2014-02-15 04:01:45 AM

seventypercent: we already did this thread


Over, and over, and over again

/until we actually lower someone over the side this argument will never be settled
 
2014-02-15 05:00:37 AM
Well, how many people voted for a Tea Party candidate?  Say that represents ~20% of the number who believe in the elephant thing.  Then add in Kansas.  About 60% of the South... 

Jesus Christ, something like 60m Americans believe that.
 
2014-02-15 05:52:20 AM

Notabunny: We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education


Because as the article shows, public education is doing a great job.
 
2014-02-15 05:58:02 AM
The Liberals' War on Science How politics distorts science on both ends of the spectrum

Surveys show that moderate liberals and conservatives embrace science roughly equally (varying across domains), which is why scientists like E. O. Wilson and organizations like the National Center for Science Education are reaching out to moderates in both parties to rein in the extremists on evolution and climate change.
 
2014-02-15 05:59:50 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: seventypercent: we already did this thread

Over, and over, and over again

/until we actually lower someone over the side this argument will never be settled


I'm pretty sure the turtle is female, that was resolved when we didn't crash into that star
 
2014-02-15 06:00:41 AM
I can believe that 25% of Americans were either ignorant or simply didn't care enough to properly answer a question.  Surveys should always be taken with a grain of salt, especially when it's a sample size of just 2,200 people.

Honestly, I find it more baffling that people equate intelligence with political affiliation.
 
2014-02-15 06:01:01 AM
But the Earth doesn't orbit the sun...
 
2014-02-15 06:01:02 AM
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right.
 
2014-02-15 06:01:07 AM
The Tea Parties right!  Are kids are to preshush to give them public ejucation! Alls they need is the Bible, cuz we ain't monkees you libral loosers!

Just look up in the air and you can see the sun going around the earth. duh!  Common since!
 
2014-02-15 06:08:40 AM
That's what happens when you teach science from the bible.
 
2014-02-15 06:11:20 AM
Q: Is our children learning?

A: Yes, childrens do learn.

/link
 
2014-02-15 06:14:39 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: seventypercent: we already did this thread

Over, and over, and over again

/until we actually lower someone over the side this argument will never be settled


It's fine with me.

I walk plank for bacon.
 
2014-02-15 06:17:30 AM

Theeng: I can believe that 25% of Americans were either ignorant or simply didn't care enough to properly answer a question.  Surveys should always be taken with a grain of salt, especially when it's a sample size of just 2,200 people.

Honestly, I find it more baffling that people equate intelligence with political affiliation.


It's not so much that there is a correlation between intelligence and political affiliation, but that people with certain political leanings appear to be actively hostile toward education in general, not to mention science.
 
2014-02-15 06:19:47 AM

kidgenius: It's not so much that there is a correlation between intelligence and political affiliation, but that people with certain political leanings appear to be actively hostile toward education in general, not to mention science.


Right. Try telling lefties that some groups of people are genetically predisposed to be more intelligent than others, and wait for the witch hunt.
 
2014-02-15 06:19:53 AM
honestly, if someone asked me to do a survey and asked me that question, i would absolutely answer that the sun revolves around the earth just to screw with their results.  its such a dumb question it's just begging for people to give sarcastic answers.  nobody takes stupid surveys like that seriously anyway.
 
2014-02-15 06:22:29 AM

enderthexenocide: honestly, if someone asked me to do a survey and asked me that question, i would absolutely answer that the sun revolves around the earth just to screw with their results.  its such a dumb question it's just begging for people to give sarcastic answers.  nobody takes stupid surveys like that seriously anyway.


People like you fall within the margin of error.  Still, Americans are farking stupid, and getting stupider.
 
2014-02-15 06:24:37 AM
Surveys show that moderate liberals and conservatives embrace science roughly equally (varying across domains), which is why scientists like E. O. Wilson and organizations like the National Center for Science Education are reaching out to moderates in both parties to rein in the extremists on evolution and climate change.

Can you tell  us what an evolution or climate change extremist looks like?  I am  worred I may be one and not even know it.
 
2014-02-15 06:25:33 AM
I discovered a friend thought the Sun was actually burning. Like in oxidizing. I was so literally stunned by this, that I didn't know what to say.

At worst, I expected an answer like "some kind of atomic/nuclear thing....."

I wonder how many members of Congress are this ill-informed?
 
2014-02-15 06:28:35 AM

Joak: Can you tell us what an evolution or climate change extremist looks like? I am worred I may be one and not even know it.


The climate change extremists are pretty easy to identify. They're the ones opposed to using nuclear power to solve the problem, because their goal is to make people "use less energy" and "change their lifestyles". They are also often found showing pictures of supposedly drowning polar bears, using the snow on Mount Fuji as an example of climate change, claiming that when the Arctic ice melts, sea levels will rise, and talking about "Gaia".
 
2014-02-15 06:30:50 AM

kidgenius: Theeng: I can believe that 25% of Americans were either ignorant or simply didn't care enough to properly answer a question.  Surveys should always be taken with a grain of salt, especially when it's a sample size of just 2,200 people.

Honestly, I find it more baffling that people equate intelligence with political affiliation.

It's not so much that there is a correlation between intelligence and political affiliation, but that people with certain political leanings appear to be actively hostile toward education in general, not to mention science.

 
Well, there is, in a sense. People who score high on fear/disgust reaction tests and low on empathy tests are many, many more times likely to be on the right of the spectrum. It's the best indicator for political affiliation there is outside of asking specifically political questions.High fear/disgust and low empathy also correlates with: preference for the familiar over the new, lack of intellectual curiosity, lack of humour, higher religiosity, higher tribalism (dislike of different races/religions/income demographics).
 
2014-02-15 06:35:39 AM
A quarter of Americans surveyed could not correctly answer that the Earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, according to a report out Friday from the National Science Foundation.

WE'RE NUMBER 1!!! WE'RE NUMBER 1!!! USA!!! USA111!!!

i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-02-15 06:36:13 AM
The turtle moves
 
2014-02-15 06:36:56 AM

Pointy Tail of Satan: I discovered a friend thought the Sun was actually burning. Like in oxidizing. I was so literally stunned by this, that I didn't know what to say.

At worst, I expected an answer like "some kind of atomic/nuclear thing....."

I wonder how many members of Congress are this ill-informed?


It is! Someone should put that motherfarker out before it hurts someone!
 
2014-02-15 06:37:39 AM
I actually sat in a class where someone expressed disbelief that the sun didn't revolve around the Earth. You could almost hear the record scratch. The professor recovered nicely and didn't make a whole lot of it, but boy were there a lot of looks exchanged by the other students.
 
2014-02-15 06:37:55 AM

Lukeonia1: Prey4reign: The average IQ in the US is 98.  With a low score of 55 and a high score of 145, that puts the lowest 25% ranging between 55 and 78 which means that one in four Americans are either idiots or are channeling the spirits of 17th century Inquisitors.  That should adequately answer the question.

It's been a long time since Statistics class, but I'm pretty sure your math is wrong. Bell curves, how to they work??

However, that's not to say I disagree with your point.


Most IQ tests set the mean at 100, with a standard deviation of 15 points. 100 is the baseline. The mean will always be 100, no matter how smart or stupid the general population is.
 
2014-02-15 06:42:52 AM

Copper Spork: that some groups of people are genetically predisposed to be more intelligent than others,


Only in the sense of breeding for it as the Jews did. Sort of the way that giraffes' long necks was a freak mutation in a few individuals that caught on and took off because long-necked giraffes got more to eat and produced more offspring, had the Jews not fetishized intellectuality they'd most likely have died out long ago.

Otherwise it's that some individuals in some groups somehow wound up more intelligent than others and some of them managed to reproduce their genes and pass on their love of learning (or at least of being Mr Smartypants) before the idiots ground them down. At least in Europe large numbers of those who kept selecting for smartness for generation after generation managed to survive by helping the rulers get rich and by paying the rulers to protect them, which accounts for the Jews' survival. It's not natural genetics, it's cultural eugenics. We could breed a generation of brilliant hillbillies if we paid more attention.

How sad that in "the West" assimilation has wrecked the Jews' breeding program and undermined its cultural supports and benefits just when Israel needs smart American Jews to send money and rally support for the more moderate political groups who can use their ingrained pragmatism to reach an understanding with the Palestinians and out-compete the Israeli version of the Tea Party mindset.

Even "purebred" Jews are becoming as stupid as the average American by giving up those cultural programs that made being smart mean something: what the good of being brilliant when your concerns don't extend beyond pop culture? Does the world really benefit from several thousand Star Trek geeks?
 
2014-02-15 06:44:20 AM

Copper Spork: Notabunny: We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education

Because as the article shows, public education is doing a great job.


So, uh, cut funding more?
 
2014-02-15 06:44:33 AM

a particular individual: Lukeonia1: Prey4reign: The average IQ in the US is 98.  With a low score of 55 and a high score of 145, that puts the lowest 25% ranging between 55 and 78 which means that one in four Americans are either idiots or are channeling the spirits of 17th century Inquisitors.  That should adequately answer the question.

It's been a long time since Statistics class, but I'm pretty sure your math is wrong. Bell curves, how to they work??

However, that's not to say I disagree with your point.

Most IQ tests set the mean at 100, with a standard deviation of 15 points. 100 is the baseline. The mean will always be 100, no matter how smart or stupid the general population is.


Yes, and that means that 55 to 78 would be about 7% not 25%. As the parent said, "Bell curves, how do they work"
 
2014-02-15 06:44:50 AM

Pointy Tail of Satan: I discovered a friend thought the Sun was actually burning. Like in oxidizing. I was so literally stunned by this, that I didn't know what to say.

At worst, I expected an answer like "some kind of atomic/nuclear thing....."

I wonder how many members of Congress are this ill-informed?


What difference does that to a politician?
 
2014-02-15 06:48:22 AM

hasty ambush: The Liberals' War on Science How politics distorts science on both ends of the spectrum

Surveys show that moderate liberals and conservatives embrace science roughly equally (varying across domains), which is why scientists like E. O. Wilson and organizations like the National Center for Science Education are reaching out to moderates in both parties to rein in the extremists on evolution and climate change.


Good article, but I farking hate sentences like this:

"As Harvard University psychologist Steven Pinker documents in his 2002 book  The Blank Slate(Viking), belief in the mind as a tabula rasa shaped almost entirely by culture has been mostly the mantra of liberal intellectuals, who in the 1980s and 1990s led an all-out assault against evolutionary psychology via such Orwellian-named far-left groups as Science for the People, for proffering the now uncontroversial idea that human thought and behavior are at least partially the result of our evolutionary past."

Dammit, I'm too sleepy to deal with that. I had to paste it into Wordpad and edit down to this to be sure I knew WTF the author meant:

"Liberals led an assault against evolutionary psychology for saying human thought and behavior are partially the result of evolution."
 
2014-02-15 06:49:13 AM

Copper Spork: Joak: Can you tell us what an evolution or climate change extremist looks like? I am worred I may be one and not even know it.

The climate change extremists are pretty easy to identify. They're the ones opposed to using nuclear power to solve the problem, because their goal is to make people "use less energy" and "change their lifestyles". They are also often found showing pictures of supposedly drowning polar bears, using the snow on Mount Fuji as an example of climate change, claiming that when the Arctic ice melts, sea levels will rise, and talking about "Gaia".


I like the Gaia bit and the attempt to seem reasonable, but you should have thrown out something about moving back to a pre industrial society and killing millions in the process.

I'll give you a 7/10 on this one in isolation, but I have to bump you down to a 3/10 overall because of those crappy other attempts at trolling the thread.
 
2014-02-15 06:49:17 AM

El Rich-o: Copper Spork: Notabunny: We could get those numbers up if we'd just attack teachers and cut funding for public education

Because as the article shows, public education is doing a great job.

So, uh, cut funding more?


Gotta run schools like businesses, man. If the school is under-performing, you cut it off so it doesn't become a drain on the system.
 
2014-02-15 06:50:40 AM
How long before this NSF study is revealed to also be flawed?
 
2014-02-15 06:51:36 AM
Only 66 percent of people in a 2005 European Union poll answered the basic astronomy answer correctly. However, both China and the EU fared significantly better (66 percent and 70 percent, respectively) on the question about human evolution.

sounds about right
 
2014-02-15 06:52:21 AM
Pointy Tail of Satan:   I discovered a friend thought the Sun was actually burning. Like in oxidizing. I was so literally stunned by this, that I didn't know what to say.

At worst, I expected an answer like "some kind of atomic/nuclear thing....."

I wonder how many members of Congress are this ill-informed?



Ill-informed?  I mean yes, people obviously should be aware of evolution, the fact that this planet goes around the sun and other scientific basics.  But unless your friend is a scientist why does it matter to you that he/she doesn't really know how the sun operates?

I think I'd rather have my member of Congress more familiar with the details of the national budget than what powers the sun.
 
2014-02-15 06:52:52 AM
I know that it makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to believe that the opposite of their political spectrum houses all the idiots and that their party is filled with wisdom but would it occur to any of you to look back in your High School class and recognize that a good many of those kids simply never paid enough attention to learn any of what you may consider basic knowledge?  You are assuming that someone who believes the earth is stationary while the sun rotates around it is making a conscious decision, rather than simply being totally uninformed through inattention.  If you had never thought about it before, wouldn't it make sense that the earth is standing still (I can't feel it moving) and the sun is moving?  After all, it comes up on that side and it goes down on the other side. That mountain isn't moving but the sun goes down behind it.

I would bet that if you delved into the political inclinations of respondents who believe the sun rotates around the earth, you would find as many Obama voters as Romney voters.
 
2014-02-15 06:53:43 AM

Copper Spork: kidgenius: It's not so much that there is a correlation between intelligence and political affiliation, but that people with certain political leanings appear to be actively hostile toward education in general, not to mention science.

Right. Try telling lefties that some groups of people are genetically predisposed to be more intelligent than others, and wait for the witch hunt.


I have no problem with that, but when you try to shape public policy around it, and start treating individuals as members of a group, then I get uneasy. The real controversy about The Bell Curve wasn't the raw data, but the authors' argument that we shouldn't waste money helping the inferiors since their genes doom them to failure. I'm paraphrasing, of course.

/DNRTFB
 
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