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2014-02-15 08:26:52 AM  
"The King in Yellow" (Kindle version) is currently free on Amazon, so lose your sanity and save some dough in the process!
 
2014-02-15 08:28:47 AM  
Am I correct to draw references to Stephen King from this show? "The Yellow King"/"The Crimson King"/"Low Men in Yellow Coats", etc. I am getting a definate Dark Tower (Beams, breakers, etc) feeling from this series.

Or perhaps I'm reaching.
 
2014-02-15 08:59:04 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: OH, YOU'RE A SMARTASS WITH YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!


I read that in Art from Justified's voice.
 
2014-02-15 08:59:14 AM  

farkingismybusiness: kasmel: Yeah, that show's ok. All the adulation for it though...it's not exactly justified.

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Why have I been seeing an uptick in Workaholics memes lately? Like the last week they've been explosively everywhere, but I haven't ever seen ANY before, and I know the show is like 5-10 years old.

Also I'm not clicking a gawker asset link, sorry. Can anyone summarize the link?
 
2014-02-15 09:07:58 AM  

darch: Am I correct to draw references to Stephen King from this show? "The Yellow King"/"The Crimson King"/"Low Men in Yellow Coats", etc. I am getting a definate Dark Tower (Beams, breakers, etc) feeling from this series.

Or perhaps I'm reaching.


I think you're seeing two things referencing the same source. King is really well-versed in early American horror and the Dark Tower is his place to play with a lot of those elements.

Originally the Dark Tower books weren't meant for a mass audience. They were published in limited editions.
 
2014-02-15 09:16:23 AM  
It's a pity Chambers isn't as well known as Lovecraft. Even when you have something inspired by his work, like "In the Mouth of Madness", people call it Lovecraftian.
 
2014-02-15 09:29:54 AM  

kroonermanblack: Also I'm not clicking a gawker asset link, sorry. Can anyone summarize the link?


No, and you should feel like a dumbass for A) asking; and B) having a personal boycott against gawker sites. What did they do to you?
 
2014-02-15 09:31:18 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: It's a pity Chambers isn't as well known as Lovecraft. Even when you have something inspired by his work, like "In the Mouth of Madness", people call it Lovecraftian.


I'll tell you how bad it is: I've read Lovecraft and some Bierce and I'd never heard of Chambers of the King in Yellow until True Detective!
 
2014-02-15 09:39:37 AM  

kroonermanblack: Why have I been seeing an uptick in Workaholics memes lately? Like the last week they've been explosively everywhere, but I haven't ever seen ANY before, and I know the show is like 5-10 years old.


probably something to do with the new season starting recently. As an aside, I thought this season has been fairly hit or miss so far; last season kind of was as well, but the episodes that hit were great.
 
2014-02-15 09:47:43 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: darch: Am I correct to draw references to Stephen King from this show? "The Yellow King"/"The Crimson King"/"Low Men in Yellow Coats", etc. I am getting a definate Dark Tower (Beams, breakers, etc) feeling from this series.

Or perhaps I'm reaching.

I think you're seeing two things referencing the same source. King is really well-versed in early American horror and the Dark Tower is his place to play with a lot of those elements.

Originally the Dark Tower books weren't meant for a mass audience. They were published in limited editions.


Dwight_Yeast: darch: Am I correct to draw references to Stephen King from this show? "The Yellow King"/"The Crimson King"/"Low Men in Yellow Coats", etc. I am getting a definate Dark Tower (Beams, breakers, etc) feeling from this series.

Or perhaps I'm reaching.

I think you're seeing two things referencing the same source. King is really well-versed in early American horror and the Dark Tower is his place to play with a lot of those elements.

Originally the Dark Tower books weren't meant for a mass audience. They were published in limited editions.


I'm aware of that. I guess the writers of TD are plumbing the mythos of the unknown as a narrative vehicle. To that I say "huzzah!!!".
 
2014-02-15 09:59:40 AM  

farkingismybusiness: kasmel: Yeah, that show's ok. All the adulation for it though...it's not exactly justified.


I've watched it, but just couldn't get into it..

Does this make me a bad person? I think it does
 
2014-02-15 11:40:26 AM  

dforkus: farkingismybusiness: kasmel: Yeah, that show's ok. All the adulation for it though...it's not exactly justified.

I've watched it, but just couldn't get into it..

Does this make me a bad person? I think it does


Not bad. Probably just slow or stupid. ;)

Seriously, there are plenty of quality shows I can't be arsed to watch or care about.
 
2014-02-15 12:35:36 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: I should also add that the King in Yellow is on Project Gutenberg.

I'm reading it now and it's quite good.


I just ordered it from Amazon. It's the second time in 2 years I'd heard it referenced so I figured I really should grab a copy.

Great show. Harrelson and McConaughey have come a long Fn way. They both can seriously throw down some performances now.
 
2014-02-15 12:36:24 PM  
So True Detective is Fark's new "It's so cool we need a greenlight every day" show, huh?

Noted.
 
2014-02-15 12:39:28 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: So True Detective is Fark's new "It's so cool we need a greenlight every day" show, huh?

Noted.


It's called "pop culture" and it occurs in real time. Don't worry, it'll be over in a month or so and you can fret about something else new you don't understand.
 
2014-02-15 12:48:09 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: So True Detective is Fark's new "It's so cool we need a greenlight every day" show, huh?

Noted.


It's a remarkable show. We are making remarks about it.

You see, Fark is a place where people come to discuss things that are occurring in the world in real time.

Go eat some cookies and then take a nap. You'll feel better.
 
2014-02-15 12:54:52 PM  

Soulcatcher: Great show. Harrelson and McConaughey have come a long Fn way. They both can seriously throw down some performances now.


Harleson's been this good since People v. Larry Flynt.  Possibily since Cheers, but I never watched it (something Netflix and I will correct).

McCouaughney is the one I'm really impressed with: he's hypnotic, like watching a cobra, wondering when it's going to bite you.

And what sold me on the show was the idea of watching the two of them together.  It could have been an idiotic buddy cop sit-com and I'd happy.
 
2014-02-15 01:16:28 PM  
That was an interesting article. I got the "King in Yellow" reference but didn't put a lot of thought into it -- probably in part because I haven't read it in maybe fifteen years but I did recently re-read "The Yellow Wallpaper" and I somewhat confused the two. The funny (as in weird) thing is that the latter is apt too is several significant respects (inexorable descent into madness, repetition of patterns).

What my literary misapprehension illuminated most to me was how male-centered the plot and narrative are. Of course that's not at all unusual for the genre, but in True Detective virtually all of the women are ciphers of absence -- murder victims, nameless strippers, fleeting sexual hook-ups, Hart's neglected (and now estranged) wife, Cohle's long-lost wife and daughter (the only exception I can think of is the congregation member who describes Lange to the detectives in episode 4).

I don't take Pizzolatto for a misogynist, and he's definitely not a hack. So is it really just a concession to the genre, or is he trying to make a more pointed comment about masculinity?
 
2014-02-15 01:46:34 PM  

kc278: What my literary misapprehension illuminated most to me was how male-centered the plot and narrative are. Of course that's not at all unusual for the genre, but in True Detective virtually all of the women are ciphers of absence -- murder victims, nameless strippers, fleeting sexual hook-ups, Hart's neglected (and now estranged) wife, Cohle's long-lost wife and daughter (the only exception I can think of is the congregation member who describes Lange to the detectives in episode 4).

I don't take Pizzolatto for a misogynist, and he's definitely not a hack. So is it really just a concession to the genre, or is he trying to make a more pointed comment about masculinity?


I'm not sure, but Cohle has a better understanding of women than any fictional character I can think of since Hannibal Lecter gave Clarice Starling the "good bag and cheap shoes" speech.
 
2014-02-15 02:09:42 PM  

Confabulat: Disgruntled Goat: So True Detective is Fark's new "It's so cool we need a greenlight every day" show, huh?

Noted.

It's called "pop culture" and it occurs in real time. Don't worry, it'll be over in a month or so and you can fret about something else new you don't understand.


I understand it perfectly, missy. I'm just saying Fark has a habit of "let's pick something and fawn all over it to the point everybody gets sick of seeing headlines about it."

True Detective is looking to be the new version of that.

So eat a big bag of dicks and choke on your superiority complex.

Kisses.
 
2014-02-15 02:20:24 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: So True Detective is Fark's new "It's so cool we need a greenlight every day" show, huh?

Noted.


Hey everybody -- it's "that guy"!
 
2014-02-15 02:34:21 PM  

darch: Am I correct to draw references to Stephen King from this show? "The Yellow King"/"The Crimson King"/"Low Men in Yellow Coats", etc. I am getting a definate Dark Tower (Beams, breakers, etc) feeling from this series.

Or perhaps I'm reaching.


I noticed it also. Notice how Cohle says that whole area had moved on? Notice the factories in the background everywhere? The menacing preachers? Notice when they were talking to Marie Fonteneaux's mother that she said her father died in a wreck near Roland Oklahoma? The stone rings in the forests are prominent in the Dark Tower series also.
 
2014-02-15 02:36:15 PM  

steverockson: darch: Am I correct to draw references to Stephen King from this show? "The Yellow King"/"The Crimson King"/"Low Men in Yellow Coats", etc. I am getting a definate Dark Tower (Beams, breakers, etc) feeling from this series.

Or perhaps I'm reaching.

I noticed it also. Notice how Cohle says that whole area had moved on? Notice the factories in the background everywhere? The menacing preachers? Notice when they were talking to Marie Fonteneaux's mother that she said her father died in a wreck near Roland Oklahoma? The stone rings in the forests are prominent in the Dark Tower series also.


Dora Lang's mother not Marie Fonteneaux's
 
2014-02-15 03:08:36 PM  

kroonermanblack: I know the show is like 5-10 years old.


It's 4 years old and recently started season 4:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1610527/
 
2014-02-15 03:56:03 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: I understand it perfectly, missy. I'm just saying Fark has a habit of "let's pick something and fawn all over it to the point everybody gets sick of seeing headlines about it."


I wouldn't say it's Fark so much as the zeitgeist combined with people's awareness of it.  We got tons of Breaking Bad stories a couple months ago because the show was ending after five seasons.  True Detectives is only eight episodes, we're half-way through and this story will be completely wrapped up this season.  Next season they start with a completely different story with a different cast.
 
2014-02-15 08:06:57 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: Confabulat: Disgruntled Goat: So True Detective is Fark's new "It's so cool we need a greenlight every day" show, huh?

Noted.

It's called "pop culture" and it occurs in real time. Don't worry, it'll be over in a month or so and you can fret about something else new you don't understand.

I understand it perfectly, missy. I'm just saying Fark has a habit of "let's pick something and fawn all over it to the point everybody gets sick of seeing headlines about it."

True Detective is looking to be the new version of that.

So eat a big bag of dicks and choke on your superiority complex.

Kisses.


So you've recognized the pattern of popular things getting greenlit and everyone fawning over it until sad grumpy farks get annoyed yet you still come here to say that you're sick of that repeating pattern.  Sounds fun.  You should venture over to the sports tab and pop in every thread to say how you don't like the particular sport everyone else is talking about.
 
2014-02-15 09:48:03 PM  

Confabulat: kroonermanblack: Also I'm not clicking a gawker asset link, sorry. Can anyone summarize the link?

No, and you should feel like a dumbass for A) asking; and B) having a personal boycott against gawker sites. What did they do to you?


I don't like the layouts, they 'stories' are 90% recycled chum from other sites with, almost always, no content added, just a redirect link farm basically, AND they're paid partners which means rather than link the source, Fark links a gawker asset which links to the source.

It steals clicks from the source to feed the gawker, which is wrong.

Plus most of the time you have to turn off every adblock/noscript/etc. program that removes annoying shiat to see them.
 
2014-02-16 02:06:19 AM  

kroonermanblack: Confabulat: kroonermanblack: Also I'm not clicking a gawker asset link, sorry. Can anyone summarize the link?

No, and you should feel like a dumbass for A) asking; and B) having a personal boycott against gawker sites. What did they do to you?

I don't like the layouts, they 'stories' are 90% recycled chum from other sites with, almost always, no content added, just a redirect link farm basically, AND they're paid partners which means rather than link the source, Fark links a gawker asset which links to the source.

It steals clicks from the source to feed the gawker, which is wrong.

Plus most of the time you have to turn off every adblock/noscript/etc. program that removes annoying shiat to see them.


Well I'm sure your lack of clicking affected zero percent of anything, so good work? It must be one hell of a way to surf the internet.
 
2014-02-16 02:06:42 AM  

elguerodiablo: You should venture over to the sports tab and pop in every thread to say how you don't like the particular sport everyone else is talking about.


Curling.
 
2014-02-16 02:33:45 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: Confabulat: Disgruntled Goat: So True Detective is Fark's new "It's so cool we need a greenlight every day" show, huh?

Noted.

It's called "pop culture" and it occurs in real time. Don't worry, it'll be over in a month or so and you can fret about something else new you don't understand.

I understand it perfectly, missy. I'm just saying Fark has a habit of "let's pick something and fawn all over it to the point everybody gets sick of seeing headlines about it."

True Detective is looking to be the new version of that.

So eat a big bag of dicks and choke on your superiority complex.

Kisses.


That's some weak sauce answering there. You realize you're on Fark.com's Entertainment tab? Which reflects the major entertainment stories of the week?

Hmm, no it must be a Fark thing. Wow.
 
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