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(CNN)   Pennsylvania motorists prove to the world they are no better at driving in snow and ice than Atlantans   (cnn.com) divider line 23
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2014-02-14 09:49:44 PM
4 votes:
Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.
2014-02-15 12:32:30 AM
3 votes:

Mark Ratner: MrHappyRotter: More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

Speak for yourself, smart guy. I drive an H1 Hummer (yes, the old school real deal), with studded snow tires, fitted with a snow plow. I also have snow chains just in case, but I've only used them once in like 7 years. If the shiat hits the fan, no one is stopping me from my destination.


I have no doubt that there are some truly scummy douche bags who would inflict untold amounts of property damage against other people and put others' lives in danger simply so they could get home to watch their "shows".
2014-02-14 08:36:38 PM
3 votes:
No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".
2014-02-15 01:09:43 AM
2 votes:
Those of you talking about driving on ice as being no problem are full of shiat. You are a liar if you claim otherwise. Yeah, you can do it, but you have to go 10 mph and give all of the other wrecked cars plenty of room. I drove from SLC up to Idaho in a mother of a storm once. Literally was going around 10-20 max for a large stretch of that. I'm talking sheet ice. Cars and semis off the road everywhere.

Driving on snow is not the same thing as driving on ice. With good tires you get plenty of traction. So long as you don't make sudden moves (braking or turning).

/grew up driving in the northeast.
//drove plenty of miles in north-easterner storms chasing the snow up to Vermont.
2014-02-14 11:32:59 PM
2 votes:
LOL at the typical lazy Philly hatred that seeps in regardless of the topic
2014-02-14 08:26:12 PM
2 votes:
As soon as their power comes back on the south will get a kick out of this.
2014-02-15 09:51:19 AM
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


Pittsburgh is a fun city for driving, once you get the hang of "navigating in a 4 dimensional space" with "Highways designed by Escher".

The downtown mess is just that, and everything on the left bank of the Mon/south of the Parkway West is a horrific rat maze of subdivisions which not even the best urban planner could have come up with had 'e been told to do his worst at gunpoint after having been given an entire 8 ball of meth.

The drivers tend to know where they want to be (in the other lane) and when they want to be there (10 minutes ago). Contrast that with Philly drivers, who all just know they want to be "somewhere about 10 miles from here" and "maybe in the next 3 hours".

Back to PGH, GPS is required if you're taking the highways because a missed exit may mean half an hour lost. Traffic and parking customs are very Soviet. One ways, signals, stop signs, lane markings, and the like are just really suggestions. Requirements for parking/driving are mainly utilitarian: "Can my vehicle fit here, and can traffic get by". The 18 to 21 blocks of Smallman are an excellent example. There's a double yellow painted there, with the idea that there is one lane in each direction. Often a 53' trailer will be backed into one of the shops and you just drive on the other side of the road. If someone's driving too slowly, you pass them where able.

Liberty Ave through the Strip is 4 lanes but not wide enough for 4 buses or trucks. If you see two coming in one direction, and there's one going your way, do not get caught in the middle. It will not go well for you unless you're on a motorcycle.

It's really all about situational awareness. I drive a bucket truck around there all the time, and the worst that's happened is I kissed mirrors with a jitney over on some stupid back street in Bloomfield. If you expect to just drive and have the right of way in situations where you normally would, you're not going to last long. If you can be fluid in your driving, you'll do fine.
2014-02-15 08:30:40 AM
1 votes:

rustypouch: Hz so good: meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

No. Just no. If you have snow tires, plus training(like in Finland or Norway) you WILL know how to handle this bullshiat. I've spent my entire 38 years in the deep south ( unfortunately), and you're dead farking wrong.

Driving on ice and snow isn't that tricky.

Canadian here. A Subaru with snow tires feels like cheating. Other than that, it's all about being smooth and gentle. Just avoid sudden starts, stops, and turns. how much you can deal with depends on the tires, the car, and your driving ability.


This. I've lived the last four years in Alaska and Vermont, so I've driven in some pretty shiatty conditions. I never worry too much about my own driving ability, it's trying to avoid the sh*tty driver's that's the tricky part. But yes, no sudden movements on the brake, gas, or wheel and you'll be fine. Getting started from a dead stop is the toughest part; if you can avoid stopping at all, that's the best course of action (that means blowing though yellow lights; if you slam on the brakes you're gonna go through the intersection anyways).
2014-02-15 08:25:30 AM
1 votes:
Audi. Blizzaks
2014-02-15 07:57:59 AM
1 votes:

lindalouwho: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

I'm here for back-up on that, brother.


I take umbrage - our kids become assholes at birth. Philadelphia-New Joisey-New York. The Axis of Evil. The Klingon Empire of America. Hellmouth of the United States (Japan being the only other). None can resist us You should be scared silly.

For we are the the apex of your country's culture. What have you to compare with it? Branson? Dollywood? Disney World? Pathetic sandboxes made of cardboard. The assholes hold your highest culture in the palm of your hand like testicles, ripe for crushing. We control your country's economy. Well, us, and Delaware, our cringing lapdog that cowers at our feet... Our heroes are the mightiest - Rocky, John McClain, Louie DePalma, all dem guys from the Marvel Universe...

Your country was born here, and here were the first seeds of all that is unholy were planted. High Finance, Philadelphia Lawyers, "City Fellers," "Goodellas," mob justice, vox populi, economic stratification and classism started here. While the South was busy fighting for their "rats" to own people of another color, we didn't bother. Hick thinking. The only color that mattered - then and now - was green. And now, green owns you all. Mu hah ha.

Ferengi honor us as Gods among worms. Philadelphia has the oldest Mint, running since 1792. Why? Because the people who make it are the only people who actually get to count how much they make before it hits the streets. Why is Fort Knox in Kentucky? Because, after some thought, some smart guy wanted to put all that gold someplace trustworthy. So we missed out on that.

You say yesterday was all about ice. But, if you said a group of guys got together and wanted to create the biggest insurance scam perpetrated on the auto industry, I can't say I'd be surprised. Lots of lawyers employed, lots of new cars acquired, a bunch of "Whiplash" cases that will fund several hundred extended vacations... If the news helicopters would've just stood still long enough, you may have seen people wander out of the woods from neighboring housing just to lay down in the middle of the road and cradle their necks.

That's my kinda town.

So never denigrate our children. We still spank 'em at birth around here - just to put the mean in 'em early.
2014-02-15 07:54:01 AM
1 votes:

doglover: lindalouwho: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

I'm here for back-up on that, brother.


Me three.


The learning curve for driving in PIttsburgh is much steeper than most places. Narrow streets teach you to be a better judge on side clearance. The hills in winter teach you to be more precise on your brakes and accelerator. Everyone learning to drive is required to learn how to do a J turn in an empty parking lot the very first snow.
2014-02-15 06:23:47 AM
1 votes:
The investigation is still going on, but there is some thought that what happened was that after the turnpike was plowed, the residue that was left, which had been slushy, suddenly froze over, whereupon people started spinning out.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


This accident happened in Bucks County, not Philadelphia.  Comparatively few Philadelphia residents use the turnpike to get to New Jersey; there are four other bridges across the Delaware for that.  So you don't know what you're talking about, do you?
2014-02-15 02:39:54 AM
1 votes:
I just missed this accident by *this* much. Had to scoot by four wrecked cars.

A few things about this particular stretch of the PA Turnpike yesterday morning.

1. The left two lanes were covered in a layer of compact snow and ice. The right lane, where I remained, would switch between this snow/ice layer and wet pavement. I kept it slow, others didn't like that and many zoomed by me.

2. Right before where this started the road runs in a northeasterly direction. Then about 2.5 miles from the Bensalem exit (351) it curves under an overpass and shifts southeasterly. At this time of year, and at this time of day, the sun is right there. The glare is bad enough on clear day, it was much worse with the sun reflecting off the ice.

3. Combine these two factors. I was moving around the bend, blinded temporarily by the glare, and just as I regained my vision I noticed the traffic had come to a full stop. I was going slow enough and kept a cushion of space far enough ahead of me to stop. The moron trying to pass me slammed on his brakes, slid in front of my car, and crashed into the snow bank on the shoulder. He recovered quickly with little to no damage. I knew this was a bad place to be stuck. Luckily, the first four wrecked vehicles were just a couple hundred feet ahead and confined to the left two lanes. Traffic slowly started moving and soon I was by. As I passed, I noticed several other cars pulled to the side. People were getting out and walking... on the highway... on a giant sheet of ice. Not good. Sometime later I called my wife. She informed me it was now a thirty car pile up. My mother in law called 20 minutes later to tell me it was around 100.

4. This was the worst I've seen the Turnpike several hours post-storm in YEARS. When I got off at exit 351 I continued onto Route 1, a road I have worried about during every snow storm since I started working in the area. It's always the most poorly maintained. However, this morning there wasn't so much as one slush mound on that road. I was shocked.

Yes, many of the crashes in this pile up can be attributed to shiatty driving. But know this: someone at the Turnpike authority farked up big time. Not only was the road quality straddling lackluster and dangerous, but they had also lifted speed restrictions.

I dodged a bullet this morning. You can believe someone, or something, was watching over me. I'd like to give myself some of the credit. You can't always prevent accidents, but being proactive is still key. Slow down and pay attention.
2014-02-15 01:23:20 AM
1 votes:

MrHappyRotter: More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.


PSA: Please have baby Jesus IN THE BACK SEAT and SECURED IN A CARSEAT.
2014-02-15 01:01:43 AM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.


img1.fark.net FTL.  Floridiots can't drive even on straight, dry, level pavement.
2014-02-15 12:46:33 AM
1 votes:
But but but the South! They are the only one who can't drive in a little snow remember? There were 20 headlines about it this week, we all laughed and pointed at them. Because we all drag race on 2 inches of ice for fun. That's just how badass we are in the North.
2014-02-15 12:23:55 AM
1 votes:

optikeye: None of which explains Ohio drivers..who have the ability to ignore 'fast' and 'passing' lanes and drive as if they're 96 years old driving 10mph under the limit in the left lane of a interstate.


Honestly, if I had to re-write American law I would make a proviso whereby cars plated in Ohio were not road legal in the other 49.
2014-02-15 12:21:19 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, I'll say the problem wasn't the snow or ice-- It's that people in Philly drive like half-blind maniacs in the first place.
2014-02-15 12:21:16 AM
1 votes:
More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.
2014-02-14 10:00:36 PM
1 votes:

meyerkev: I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough


It is possible to drive TOO slow on snow. Sometimes you need to keep your momentum up so your tires don't spin.
2014-02-14 09:56:26 PM
1 votes:
I can't believe no fatalities in all of that. Lucky in that sense at least.
2014-02-14 08:51:38 PM
1 votes:
Well, to be fair, the truck drivers could be from the south, and by that I do not mean south Philly.
2014-02-14 08:40:00 PM
1 votes:
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