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(CNN)   Pennsylvania motorists prove to the world they are no better at driving in snow and ice than Atlantans   (cnn.com) divider line 102
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2014-02-14 08:26:12 PM  
As soon as their power comes back on the south will get a kick out of this.
 
2014-02-14 08:36:38 PM  
No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".
 
2014-02-14 08:40:00 PM  
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Do Not Taunt the Karma Bunny.
 
2014-02-14 08:51:38 PM  
Well, to be fair, the truck drivers could be from the south, and by that I do not mean south Philly.
 
2014-02-14 09:47:09 PM  

violentsalvation: As soon as their power comes back on the south will get a kick out of this.


It is. And we are.
 
2014-02-14 09:49:44 PM  
Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.
 
2014-02-14 09:56:04 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


Can't argue with the driving abilities of most Philly residents.  Snow days aren't bad but the day after have been some of the worst commutes I've ever experienced.
 
2014-02-14 09:56:26 PM  
I can't believe no fatalities in all of that. Lucky in that sense at least.
 
2014-02-14 10:00:36 PM  

meyerkev: I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough


It is possible to drive TOO slow on snow. Sometimes you need to keep your momentum up so your tires don't spin.
 
2014-02-14 10:29:27 PM  
Atlantans? Hell, Alabamians can't deal with ice and snow driving either. I-565 was a mess this morning down by the swampy parts.

They discovered that unique substance called black ice.
 
2014-02-14 10:36:01 PM  

meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".


No. Just no. If you have snow tires, plus training(like in Finland or Norway) you WILL know how to handle this bullshiat. I've spent my entire 38 years in the deep south ( unfortunately), and you're dead farking wrong.
 
2014-02-14 10:39:38 PM  

meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.


Oh, and BTW, arseloche, more than a few of us are aware of how to drive down here. Just because your inbred relations can't doesn't speak for the rest of us.
 
2014-02-14 10:42:07 PM  
None of which explains Ohio drivers..who have the ability to ignore 'fast' and 'passing' lanes and drive as if they're 96 years old driving 10mph under the limit in the left lane of a interstate.
 
2014-02-14 11:28:01 PM  
-- About 100 vehicles were involved in a series of wrecks on the eastbound Pennsylvania Turnpike just north of Philadelphia

since it's philly, you can expect that maybe 15 of them had insurance and there will be 2,000 PI cases filed
 
2014-02-14 11:32:59 PM  
LOL at the typical lazy Philly hatred that seeps in regardless of the topic
 
2014-02-15 12:14:09 AM  
Never knew "wreck" was a noun, verb and adjective. Wreck.
 
2014-02-15 12:18:52 AM  

Hz so good: meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

No. Just no. If you have snow tires, plus training(like in Finland or Norway) you WILL know how to handle this bullshiat. I've spent my entire 38 years in the deep south ( unfortunately), and you're dead farking wrong.


Driving on ice and snow isn't that tricky.

Canadian here. A Subaru with snow tires feels like cheating. Other than that, it's all about being smooth and gentle. Just avoid sudden starts, stops, and turns. how much you can deal with depends on the tires, the car, and your driving ability.
 
2014-02-15 12:21:16 AM  
More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.
 
2014-02-15 12:21:19 AM  
Yeah, I'll say the problem wasn't the snow or ice-- It's that people in Philly drive like half-blind maniacs in the first place.
 
2014-02-15 12:21:36 AM  
Here's the takeaway

Humans are crap at skills/decision making when they have no experience

We are great at going down to the shop and buying milk and bread bc we do it many times

We are hopeless at choosing partners, buying cars or houses etc

So don't be surprised when people who've never seen snow don't know how to drive in it
 
2014-02-15 12:22:24 AM  
Where's your God now, Northerners?
 
2014-02-15 12:23:16 AM  

meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".


I dunno.  We seem to do alright.

imageshack.com

/Blizzak's FTW
 
2014-02-15 12:23:55 AM  

optikeye: None of which explains Ohio drivers..who have the ability to ignore 'fast' and 'passing' lanes and drive as if they're 96 years old driving 10mph under the limit in the left lane of a interstate.


Honestly, if I had to re-write American law I would make a proviso whereby cars plated in Ohio were not road legal in the other 49.
 
2014-02-15 12:26:59 AM  
A couple of days ago here in Central KY, I was going to work in the morning after a snow overnight.  Behind me was a minivan trying to negotiate a slightly downhill curve when she spun out and slammed into a telephone pole.  I stopped to make sure she was alright.  She was shook up, but okay.  I grew up in Indiana, and had some experience with Winter driving, but no one handles ice well.  I got to work doing about 25 mph max.
 
2014-02-15 12:27:21 AM  

AirForceVet: They discovered that unique substance called black ice.


Why's it always gotta be black with you, man?  Dat's raciss.
 
2014-02-15 12:28:41 AM  

MrHappyRotter: More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.


Speak for yourself, smart guy. I drive an H1 Hummer (yes, the old school real deal), with studded snow tires, fitted with a snow plow. I also have snow chains just in case, but I've only used them once in like 7 years. If the shiat hits the fan, no one is stopping me from my destination.
 
2014-02-15 12:29:16 AM  
Everyone, you should be perfectly 100% prepared for the extreme conditions that hit your area very rarely.  That means if you live some place like the arctic circle, you should still have an air conditioning unit for that once a decade day when the temps hit dangerously high levels.  It means that you should always be wearing a bullet proof vest for that once in a lifetime chance that someone will try to shoot you in the chest.  It also means that you should always have snow tires and chains for that once a decade storm that rolls through.  No excuses for any of this.  Everybody knows that money grows on trees and it's perfectly within reason to expect people to be ready for any situation that presents itself.  I know I spent 3 times as much money to build my house to California building standards so that I know my place will withstand a 9.0 earthquake, and even though I'm not in a flood zone, it was built on stilts so that if ever we were to get record breaking flooding in my area, I'd not be one of the fools that loses my house.
 
2014-02-15 12:29:33 AM  
Seattleites can't drive in the rain either.  News at 11.
 
2014-02-15 12:32:30 AM  

Mark Ratner: MrHappyRotter: More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

Speak for yourself, smart guy. I drive an H1 Hummer (yes, the old school real deal), with studded snow tires, fitted with a snow plow. I also have snow chains just in case, but I've only used them once in like 7 years. If the shiat hits the fan, no one is stopping me from my destination.


I have no doubt that there are some truly scummy douche bags who would inflict untold amounts of property damage against other people and put others' lives in danger simply so they could get home to watch their "shows".
 
2014-02-15 12:37:15 AM  
In Michigan the snow and ice aren't the real problem....


i.imgur.com

They Mostly come at night.... Mostly..
 
2014-02-15 12:38:54 AM  

fusillade762: meyerkev: I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough

It is possible to drive TOO slow on snow. Sometimes you need to keep your momentum up so your tires don't spin.


Yes, exactly. The "dinner show" for my wife and i tonight was watching people going too slow up a medium sized hill and then getting stuck about half way up. This was almost a constant for the hour we were out to dinner. Felt bad for the cops out there, they were pushing cars up the whole time we were out.

It's a natural reaction to let off the gas when you start sliding a little on the hill. You have to keep a steady pressure on the gas otherwise you're going to lose all momentum and be farked.
 
2014-02-15 12:39:42 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Mark Ratner: MrHappyRotter: More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

Speak for yourself, smart guy. I drive an H1 Hummer (yes, the old school real deal), with studded snow tires, fitted with a snow plow. I also have snow chains just in case, but I've only used them once in like 7 years. If the shiat hits the fan, no one is stopping me from my destination.

I have no doubt that there are some truly scummy douche bags who would inflict untold amounts of property damage against other people and put others' lives in danger simply so they could get home to watch their "shows".


Or to return a Redbox DVD on time. I'm not paying a late fee.
 
2014-02-15 12:40:03 AM  
I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.
 
2014-02-15 12:46:21 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


This this BAH GAWD THIS!
 
2014-02-15 12:46:33 AM  
But but but the South! They are the only one who can't drive in a little snow remember? There were 20 headlines about it this week, we all laughed and pointed at them. Because we all drag race on 2 inches of ice for fun. That's just how badass we are in the North.
 
2014-02-15 12:47:25 AM  

Thrakkorzog: In Michigan the snow and ice aren't the real problem....




They Mostly come at night.... Mostly..


Pfft all you need is a pair of dental pliars.
 
2014-02-15 12:47:42 AM  

bearcats1983: It's a natural reaction to let off the gas when you start sliding a little on the hill. You have to keep a steady pressure on the gas otherwise you're going to lose all momentum and be farked.


Especially in Pittsburgh. You need a running start to make it up some of the hills around here. If there is a stop sign along the hill, ignore it. My car has some sort of idiotic traction control that cuts engine power when the wheels slip. I can't see see any situations where that is useful.
 
2014-02-15 12:50:06 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


I'm here for back-up on that, brother.
 
2014-02-15 12:55:06 AM  

meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".


Bullshiat. All it takes is concentration. I've been driving on ice for twenty years, no problem. Never used snow tires. The key is to drive in a straight line if you can, be very careful on turns, and always stay on the inside of the curve. Also, don't drive too fast, but that's obvious. Ice isn't a big deal, 8 or more inches of snow is much more dangerous. When it's so high it's brushing the underside of the car, it gets tricky. You need to strike a balance, as it takes more acceleration to get moving, but too much and you skid.

/from Michigan
 
2014-02-15 12:56:38 AM  

lindalouwho: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

I'm here for back-up on that, brother.



Me three.
 
2014-02-15 12:58:33 AM  
Drivers problems.
 
2014-02-15 01:01:43 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.


img1.fark.net FTL.  Floridiots can't drive even on straight, dry, level pavement.
 
2014-02-15 01:02:56 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.


In NJ we're assholes who get where we're going and piss off everyone in-between, but it's a controlled chaos. In PA they're assholes who kamikaze each other and f*ck up the road for everyone behind them...
 
2014-02-15 01:05:00 AM  
I was going to tell them to hand over their northerners license until I saw how the road was reflecting in the video. I may be from central New York, but I don't go out when it's icy like that if I can try. Those days I prefer to stay home and toasty warm if possible.
 
2014-02-15 01:09:43 AM  
Those of you talking about driving on ice as being no problem are full of shiat. You are a liar if you claim otherwise. Yeah, you can do it, but you have to go 10 mph and give all of the other wrecked cars plenty of room. I drove from SLC up to Idaho in a mother of a storm once. Literally was going around 10-20 max for a large stretch of that. I'm talking sheet ice. Cars and semis off the road everywhere.

Driving on snow is not the same thing as driving on ice. With good tires you get plenty of traction. So long as you don't make sudden moves (braking or turning).

/grew up driving in the northeast.
//drove plenty of miles in north-easterner storms chasing the snow up to Vermont.
 
2014-02-15 01:10:44 AM  

Abacus9: meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

Bullshiat. All it takes is concentration. I've been driving on ice for twenty years, no problem. Never used snow tires. The key is to drive in a straight line if you can, be very careful on turns, and always stay on the inside of the curve. Also, don't drive too fast, but that's obvious. Ice isn't a big deal, 8 or more inches of snow is much more dangerous. When it's so high it's brushing the underside of the car, it gets tricky. You need to strike a balance, as it takes more acceleration to get moving, but too much and you skid.

/from Michigan


Pffft. It's tough, especially for those of us have one hill after another, and hundreds of bridges over water that freeze up with black ice with just the wind.

*rolls eyes

The ones who should really feel shame are the dozens who went to the hospital with their "bumps and scrapes" and dollar signs in their eyes
 
2014-02-15 01:23:20 AM  

MrHappyRotter: More eye rolling.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving.  If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of  people who get stuck or run into problems.  As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off.  Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.


PSA: Please have baby Jesus IN THE BACK SEAT and SECURED IN A CARSEAT.
 
2014-02-15 01:26:42 AM  
FTFA:   Each apparently happeed as traffic slowed for crashes ahead.

At least they were happy crashes.
 
2014-02-15 01:27:38 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: PC LOAD LETTER: I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.

[img1.fark.net image 54x11] FTL.  Floridiots can't drive even on straight, dry, level pavement.


To be fair, Florida roads are INSANE.

I went to visit my grandmother who moved there about 10 years ago. She took us to the beach to have an afternoon on a boardwalk. Just a normal 20 mile drive down a long, straight highway, right?

WRONG!

First off, there was an entire lane for golf carts only and they were turning in and out at all times. I mean WTF. Secondly, there was this sudden downpour. One minute it's cloudy. The next about one bay's worth of water is pouring out of the sky. It's like Niagara Falls on the American side right onto the highway. Hydroplane city. 10 minutes later, the rain's stopped and the puddles are gone. Then there was this bridge that went like 100' up in the air and down again in a big hump across open ocean. Holy shiat would I crap myself if an earthquake had hit right then. Finally we get there and it's a bunch of red necks drivin' a few sodas in along with the old men on carts who are also sloshed. Craziness.

Honestly, I bet Florida drives suck out of state simply because they keep waiting for something to go horribly weird.
 
2014-02-15 01:41:03 AM  

lindalouwho: Abacus9: meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

Bullshiat. All it takes is concentration. I've been driving on ice for twenty years, no problem. Never used snow tires. The key is to drive in a straight line if you can, be very careful on turns, and always stay on the inside of the curve. Also, don't drive too fast, but that's obvious. Ice isn't a big deal, 8 or more inches of snow is much more dangerous. When it's so high it's brushing the underside of the car, it gets tricky. You need to strike a balance, as it takes more acceleration to get moving, but too much and you skid.

/from Michigan

Pffft. It's tough, especially for those of us have one hill after another, and hundreds of bridges over water that freeze up with black ice with just the wind.

*rolls eyes

The ones who should really feel shame are the dozens who went to the hospital with their "bumps and scrapes" and dollar signs in their eyes


I've drive seventy plus on ice slicked freeways, it's not a big deal. It helps to have experience. No sudden acceleration and it's fine.
 
2014-02-15 01:50:05 AM  
Meanwhile, in the Lehigh Valley there was a crazy truck accident where the hospital sent out an entire trauma team to do a field amputation in order to get one of the truckers out of the wreck.  It was a busy day for hospitals in the area...
 
2014-02-15 02:00:50 AM  

Abacus9: lindalouwho: Abacus9: meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

Bullshiat. All it takes is concentration. I've been driving on ice for twenty years, no problem. Never used snow tires. The key is to drive in a straight line if you can, be very careful on turns, and always stay on the inside of the curve. Also, don't drive too fast, but that's obvious. Ice isn't a big deal, 8 or more inches of snow is much more dangerous. When it's so high it's brushing the underside of the car, it gets tricky. You need to strike a balance, as it takes more acceleration to get moving, but too much and you skid.

/from Michigan

Pffft. It's tough, especially for those of us have one hill after another, and hundreds of bridges over water that freeze up with black ice with just the wind.

*rolls eyes

The ones who should really feel shame are the dozens who went to the hospital with their "bumps and scrapes" and dollar signs in their eyes

I've drive seventy plus on ice slicked freeways, it's not a big deal. It helps to have experience. No sudden acceleration and it's fine.


Not with hills you don't. I believe it's much better with expirience and people who drive for a living are gods in this weather, but ya gotta admit - there's more than one type of ice when it comes to roads and sometimes traction isn't possible to avoid a slide.
 
2014-02-15 02:16:47 AM  

meyerkev: I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky)


I'm sorry, but no. you're completely wrong.
 
2014-02-15 02:20:45 AM  
Ex-Michigander in California. Reading this is like horror movie genre or war movies like I know it is all real and it reinvigorates the terror to read this. And yet I know I am safe in my movie seat. Glad I survived and glad that snow and ice driving is not in my life five months a year.
 
2014-02-15 02:27:08 AM  

log_jammin: meyerkev: I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky)

I'm sorry, but no. you're completely wrong.


On snow, yes.  Go slow(er than normal), back WAY the fark off, and use the anti-lock brakes.  (Note: I learned to drive on flats, so there was none of this "Keep your speed up the hill".  Useful trick that).  It's not the speed that kills you, it's the acceleration.

On ice?  If you're moving, you're skidding, and then you spin out.  Ice sucks.  (Ignoring things like specialized snow tires)

/Mostly thinking about hills, freeway offramps, and turns.  Straight, flat freeway, go nuts.  Offramp, you're screwed.
//And then if you get like a foot of snow, you're screwed because it's bouncing off the bottom, but they usually know those are coming WELL in advance, and you can plan to have an evening in shoveling off 2-3 inches at a time over and over again until the snowplows and salt get to you.  .
 
2014-02-15 02:39:54 AM  
I just missed this accident by *this* much. Had to scoot by four wrecked cars.

A few things about this particular stretch of the PA Turnpike yesterday morning.

1. The left two lanes were covered in a layer of compact snow and ice. The right lane, where I remained, would switch between this snow/ice layer and wet pavement. I kept it slow, others didn't like that and many zoomed by me.

2. Right before where this started the road runs in a northeasterly direction. Then about 2.5 miles from the Bensalem exit (351) it curves under an overpass and shifts southeasterly. At this time of year, and at this time of day, the sun is right there. The glare is bad enough on clear day, it was much worse with the sun reflecting off the ice.

3. Combine these two factors. I was moving around the bend, blinded temporarily by the glare, and just as I regained my vision I noticed the traffic had come to a full stop. I was going slow enough and kept a cushion of space far enough ahead of me to stop. The moron trying to pass me slammed on his brakes, slid in front of my car, and crashed into the snow bank on the shoulder. He recovered quickly with little to no damage. I knew this was a bad place to be stuck. Luckily, the first four wrecked vehicles were just a couple hundred feet ahead and confined to the left two lanes. Traffic slowly started moving and soon I was by. As I passed, I noticed several other cars pulled to the side. People were getting out and walking... on the highway... on a giant sheet of ice. Not good. Sometime later I called my wife. She informed me it was now a thirty car pile up. My mother in law called 20 minutes later to tell me it was around 100.

4. This was the worst I've seen the Turnpike several hours post-storm in YEARS. When I got off at exit 351 I continued onto Route 1, a road I have worried about during every snow storm since I started working in the area. It's always the most poorly maintained. However, this morning there wasn't so much as one slush mound on that road. I was shocked.

Yes, many of the crashes in this pile up can be attributed to shiatty driving. But know this: someone at the Turnpike authority farked up big time. Not only was the road quality straddling lackluster and dangerous, but they had also lifted speed restrictions.

I dodged a bullet this morning. You can believe someone, or something, was watching over me. I'd like to give myself some of the credit. You can't always prevent accidents, but being proactive is still key. Slow down and pay attention.
 
2014-02-15 02:53:10 AM  

meyerkev: On snow, yes.


just saying that you didn't make a distinction before.

driving in the snow sucks, but it can easily be done so long as you take your time and use your head.
 
2014-02-15 02:53:35 AM  

meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".


Well, there's this.

I mean, you can drive on ice, but it takes practice, and also either chains or studded snow tires. A lot of these accidents I suspect are like the one I narrowly avoided one year in Tahoe when some idiot came up behind me at a stoplight in a Jeep thinking "Hey, I'm in a four-wheel drive! That means I can stop on ice, right?" WRONG, I screamed, and the look in his eyes as he skidded past me in the turn lane (fortunately empty) showed me that he'd only just realized that as his brakes locked.

If you're unused to driving in the snow and don't have chains on the car STAY HOME.
 
2014-02-15 02:56:09 AM  

meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.


Just because you and a few hundred other people can't figure it out doesn't mean the rest of us have problems.

The right vehicle with the right tires and a good driver will be fine, even in bad ice or snow storms.
 
2014-02-15 02:59:27 AM  

doglover: Lee Jackson Beauregard: PC LOAD LETTER: I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.

[img1.fark.net image 54x11] FTL.  Floridiots can't drive even on straight, dry, level pavement.

To be fair, Florida roads are INSANE.

I went to visit my grandmother who moved there about 10 years ago. She took us to the beach to have an afternoon on a boardwalk. Just a normal 20 mile drive down a long, straight highway, right?

WRONG!

First off, there was an entire lane for golf carts only and they were turning in and out at all times. I mean WTF. Secondly, there was this sudden downpour. One minute it's cloudy. The next about one bay's worth of water is pouring out of the sky. It's like Niagara Falls on the American side right onto the highway. Hydroplane city. 10 minutes later, the rain's stopped and the puddles are gone. Then there was this bridge that went like 100' up in the air and down again in a big hump across open ocean. Holy shiat would I crap myself if an earthquake had hit right then. Finally we get there and it's a bunch of red necks drivin' a few sodas in along with the old men on carts who are also sloshed. Craziness.

Honestly, I bet Florida drives suck out of state simply because they keep waiting for something to go horribly weird.


Horribly weird is an apt description for Florida.

I think I know which bridge you're describing. It is terrifying in the midst of a 20 minute afternoon thunderstorm.

/former Floridian of 15 years
//now a New Englander
///getting sick and tired of winter
 
2014-02-15 03:15:20 AM  

Gyrfalcon: If you're unused to driving in the snow and don't have chains on the car STAY HOME.

 
2014-02-15 03:22:44 AM  

meyerkev: log_jammin: meyerkev: I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky)

I'm sorry, but no. you're completely wrong.

On snow, yes.  Go slow(er than normal), back WAY the fark off, and use the anti-lock brakes.  (Note: I learned to drive on flats, so there was none of this "Keep your speed up the hill".  Useful trick that).  It's not the speed that kills you, it's the acceleration.

On ice?  If you're moving, you're skidding, and then you spin out.  Ice sucks.  (Ignoring things like specialized snow tires)

/Mostly thinking about hills, freeway offramps, and turns.  Straight, flat freeway, go nuts.  Offramp, you're screwed.
//And then if you get like a foot of snow, you're screwed because it's bouncing off the bottom, but they usually know those are coming WELL in advance, and you can plan to have an evening in shoveling off 2-3 inches at a time over and over again until the snowplows and salt get to you.  .


Salt only depresses the freezing point of water about twenty degrees, so it's useless in single digit temps.

So far we've had an ice storm followed by one day when it snowed 17 inches. Then the temperature dropped to -20, before wind chill. Then a bunch more snow. This has been going on for a month and a half, and none of it has had a chance to melt. My neighbor's house has icicles all along the front down past the bottom of his windows.
 
2014-02-15 04:17:51 AM  

Mark Ratner:

Or to return a Redbox DVD on time. I'm not paying a late fee.


lol.

priorities ftw!
 
2014-02-15 04:30:04 AM  
We had 10 inches here on he 23rd of December in 2011, didn't see the lines on the road until well in Texas. Just turn off traction control, go about 30 mph, we saw plenty of people in a hurry who wound up on the side of the road. Did it at night, not a scratch on an 800 mile drive. Took 16 hours, felt hammered afterward, but better than an accident at Xmas time.

/Lotsa "Biatches in ditches".
 
2014-02-15 04:56:26 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


100% this.

I've lived all over the US (including SoCal), Canada, and plenty of places abroad, and found Philly drivers to be among the worst anywhere. I spent 4 god-forsaken years living in Eastern PA, and never saw so many angry, stupid drivers before. And the turnpikes were the worst of the worst, where there were narrow lanes full of people driving way too fast for whatever conditions existed. Well, not just the turnpikes, since I-78 outside Harrisburg would routinely get shut down for accidents even in clear weather, and I was there for the Valentine's Day freezeup in 2007. This story didn't surprise me one bit.
 
2014-02-15 05:11:21 AM  

whatshisname: Never knew "wreck" was a noun, verb and adjective. Wreck.


I wreckon you're right.
 
2014-02-15 06:22:16 AM  

meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.


Minnesota respectfully disagrees.

T-Servo: I've lived all over the US (including SoCal), Canada, and plenty of places abroad, and found Philly drivers to be among the worst anywhere.


That's cute. Visit DC, sometime.

/two-lane street? Drive in the middle.
//another car approaching? Chicken time, motherfarker.
 
2014-02-15 06:23:47 AM  
The investigation is still going on, but there is some thought that what happened was that after the turnpike was plowed, the residue that was left, which had been slushy, suddenly froze over, whereupon people started spinning out.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


This accident happened in Bucks County, not Philadelphia.  Comparatively few Philadelphia residents use the turnpike to get to New Jersey; there are four other bridges across the Delaware for that.  So you don't know what you're talking about, do you?
 
2014-02-15 06:44:01 AM  
There's a reason I have steel bumpers and rock rails on this, my winter commuting tank. Oh, and a giant tow hook on the back for anyone foolish enough to get close. Winch if I get stuck, or if I'm feeling charitable...

Philly area drivers farking blow. Suburbs, city... don't matter. If I don't see at least 2 accidents driving down 476 to the Surekill to center city every damn time..img.fark.net
 
2014-02-15 06:44:11 AM  

CowardlyLion: That's cute. Visit DC, sometime


I live in downtown DC.
 
2014-02-15 06:46:48 AM  

Psylence: my winter commuting tank.


what is that?
 
2014-02-15 06:48:38 AM  
Idiots in Suvs
 
2014-02-15 06:53:48 AM  

T-Servo: CowardlyLion: That's cute. Visit DC, sometime

I live in downtown DC.


My condolences.
 
2014-02-15 07:01:05 AM  

CowardlyLion: T-Servo: CowardlyLion: That's cute. Visit DC, sometime

I live in downtown DC.

My condolences.


Drivers here are negligent, the highways are hopelessly congested (made worse because the lanes are constantly contracting and Maryland drivers can't merge for shiat), but they mostly (unless someone is driving a BMW) heed cyclists and pedestrians are safe. So that doesn't compare with PA, where drivers are both incompetent and openly hostile. Seriously, I've driven in Russia and drivers there suffer from less road rage.
 
2014-02-15 07:03:32 AM  

doglover: optikeye: None of which explains Ohio drivers..who have the ability to ignore 'fast' and 'passing' lanes and drive as if they're 96 years old driving 10mph under the limit in the left lane of a interstate.

Honestly, if I had to re-write American law I would make a proviso whereby cars plated in Ohio were not road legal in the other 49.


Woah there!  Some of us in Ohio, a very small few, want to enjoy getting away from the rest of these people.  It's a treat to get to drive in the South where I can go 80 and still be passed half the time.  And people will get over to the right instead of making me swerve all over the freeway passing people going 60 in a 65.  The center of Ohio shiat driving is in NE Ohio.  Just last night, I was slightly tailgating someone trying to get them to go faster than 20 in an already artificially low limit of 25.  They felt they would get back at me by sitting at a stop sign.  I didn't even blow the horn since that's what they wanted, but just went right around them.
 
2014-02-15 07:20:12 AM  

T-Servo: CowardlyLion: T-Servo: CowardlyLion: That's cute. Visit DC, sometime

I live in downtown DC.

My condolences.

Drivers here are negligent, the highways are hopelessly congested (made worse because the lanes are constantly contracting and Maryland drivers can't merge for shiat), but they mostly (unless someone is driving a BMW) heed cyclists and pedestrians are safe. So that doesn't compare with PA, where drivers are both incompetent and openly hostile. Seriously, I've driven in Russia and drivers there suffer from less road rage.


Hahaha, OH. Okay, yeah, Philly's angry. Drivers will gladly run down cyclists and pedestrians (and cyclists will gladly run down pedestrians). I've found it helps to imagine that honking is cars' way of saying "HI!" to other cars; the drivers aren't angry, the cars are just excited to see each other.

/DC cars seem less excited to see their friends, at least based on the relatively short time I've been here
 
2014-02-15 07:29:11 AM  

log_jammin: Psylence: my winter commuting tank.

what is that?


Toyota FJ cruiser.

The snorkel is a little paranoia on my part, but I did lose my Dodge 2500 in the blizzard and subsequent thaw of 1996.
 
2014-02-15 07:37:18 AM  

Psylence: log_jammin: Psylence: my winter commuting tank.

what is that?

Toyota FJ cruiser.

The snorkel is a little paranoia on my part, but I did lose my Dodge 2500 in the blizzard and subsequent thaw of 1996.


huh. I never was interested in owning a Toyota until you posted that picture.
 
2014-02-15 07:45:00 AM  

log_jammin: Psylence: log_jammin: Psylence: my winter commuting tank.

what is that?

Toyota FJ cruiser.

The snorkel is a little paranoia on my part, but I did lose my Dodge 2500 in the blizzard and subsequent thaw of 1996.

huh. I never was interested in owning a Toyota until you posted that picture.


I wasn't interested in owning a Toyota either until i saw one of these in this army green color. Now I'm gonna keep this thing until it dies. Very underappreciated vehicle...
 
2014-02-15 07:54:01 AM  

doglover: lindalouwho: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

I'm here for back-up on that, brother.


Me three.


The learning curve for driving in PIttsburgh is much steeper than most places. Narrow streets teach you to be a better judge on side clearance. The hills in winter teach you to be more precise on your brakes and accelerator. Everyone learning to drive is required to learn how to do a J turn in an empty parking lot the very first snow.
 
2014-02-15 07:57:59 AM  

lindalouwho: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

I'm here for back-up on that, brother.


I take umbrage - our kids become assholes at birth. Philadelphia-New Joisey-New York. The Axis of Evil. The Klingon Empire of America. Hellmouth of the United States (Japan being the only other). None can resist us You should be scared silly.

For we are the the apex of your country's culture. What have you to compare with it? Branson? Dollywood? Disney World? Pathetic sandboxes made of cardboard. The assholes hold your highest culture in the palm of your hand like testicles, ripe for crushing. We control your country's economy. Well, us, and Delaware, our cringing lapdog that cowers at our feet... Our heroes are the mightiest - Rocky, John McClain, Louie DePalma, all dem guys from the Marvel Universe...

Your country was born here, and here were the first seeds of all that is unholy were planted. High Finance, Philadelphia Lawyers, "City Fellers," "Goodellas," mob justice, vox populi, economic stratification and classism started here. While the South was busy fighting for their "rats" to own people of another color, we didn't bother. Hick thinking. The only color that mattered - then and now - was green. And now, green owns you all. Mu hah ha.

Ferengi honor us as Gods among worms. Philadelphia has the oldest Mint, running since 1792. Why? Because the people who make it are the only people who actually get to count how much they make before it hits the streets. Why is Fort Knox in Kentucky? Because, after some thought, some smart guy wanted to put all that gold someplace trustworthy. So we missed out on that.

You say yesterday was all about ice. But, if you said a group of guys got together and wanted to create the biggest insurance scam perpetrated on the auto industry, I can't say I'd be surprised. Lots of lawyers employed, lots of new cars acquired, a bunch of "Whiplash" cases that will fund several hundred extended vacations... If the news helicopters would've just stood still long enough, you may have seen people wander out of the woods from neighboring housing just to lay down in the middle of the road and cradle their necks.

That's my kinda town.

So never denigrate our children. We still spank 'em at birth around here - just to put the mean in 'em early.
 
2014-02-15 07:58:09 AM  
I moved up here from Tennessee and realized this early on...they think AWD SUVs make them invincible for some stupid reason.
 
2014-02-15 07:58:44 AM  
Third shift Jersey drivers going home after work. Worst drivers in history.
 
2014-02-15 08:04:30 AM  
Indeed. Snowmageddon visited the Buckeye state last night. took me almost 3 hours to get home from work. Both types of Farktardians were out in force: a) dipshiats who wreck and cause enormous backups and b) the nancies who can't drive more than 20mph in 2" of snow and will find another of their type to drive right next to for mile after mile.

/wanted my rocket launcher by the second hour
 
2014-02-15 08:17:27 AM  
Pennsylvania drivers, Lefthand lane, 50 mph.
/That is all
 
2014-02-15 08:25:30 AM  
Audi. Blizzaks
 
2014-02-15 08:30:40 AM  

rustypouch: Hz so good: meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads.  I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow.  Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration
//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

No. Just no. If you have snow tires, plus training(like in Finland or Norway) you WILL know how to handle this bullshiat. I've spent my entire 38 years in the deep south ( unfortunately), and you're dead farking wrong.

Driving on ice and snow isn't that tricky.

Canadian here. A Subaru with snow tires feels like cheating. Other than that, it's all about being smooth and gentle. Just avoid sudden starts, stops, and turns. how much you can deal with depends on the tires, the car, and your driving ability.


This. I've lived the last four years in Alaska and Vermont, so I've driven in some pretty shiatty conditions. I never worry too much about my own driving ability, it's trying to avoid the sh*tty driver's that's the tricky part. But yes, no sudden movements on the brake, gas, or wheel and you'll be fine. Getting started from a dead stop is the toughest part; if you can avoid stopping at all, that's the best course of action (that means blowing though yellow lights; if you slam on the brakes you're gonna go through the intersection anyways).
 
2014-02-15 08:39:05 AM  
I've been stuck in my house for the last 3 days because my GODAMN 4 WHEEL DRIVE WONT ENGAGE FOR SOME REASON.

Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh
 
2014-02-15 09:05:49 AM  
Rednecks, trailers, guns and ATVs everywhere.  As they say,  "Pittsburgh in the west, Philly in the east, Alabama in the middle."   Pennsylvania is the South of the North.
 
2014-02-15 09:08:53 AM  
I learned to drive in the snow in a 1972 Lincoln Mark IV rear wheel drive land yacht, in a hilly area.  The first time I hit dry pavement I was confused.

Like others have said.  Slow down, leave lots of space from the car in front of you, even more space on hills. Don't try to slow and turn at the same time.  Accelerate slowly, brake slowly. Drive at the speed for the anticipated worst conditions ahead of you. Road conditions change quickly on hills and around corners, and at intersections.  Bridges and shadowed places freeze first.  Take the time to clean off your car properly, don't be that clown who is too lazy to clear their roof, and blinds the car behind them with the blowing snow.  It's also possible that the snow on your roof will slide forward en masse and block your own view.  Take the time to laugh at the macho idiots in the AWD/4x4s who have slid off the road because they don't understand physics.

Most importantly, recognize there will be times when your reason for driving in bad conditions is just stupid.  Cut down on the unnecessary trips, and save your ice/snow driving for when it's important.  If you must drive, wake up an hour or two early, and make plans in advance to arrive late.

I love driving in the snow, but at times I'll just stay put until conditions improve.  Discretion, valor, blah blah blah.
 
2014-02-15 09:26:49 AM  

perigee: Your country was born here, and here were the first seeds of all that is unholy were planted. High Finance, Philadelphia Lawyers, "City Fellers," "Goodellas," mob justice, vox populi, economic stratification and classism started here. While the South was busy fighting for their "rats" to own people of another color, we didn't bother. Hick thinking. The only color that mattered - then and now - was green. And now, green owns you all. Mu hah ha.


Yup, The first three ex-colonies to join the Union in December of 1787 were Delaware, Pennsylvania and New Jersey, in that order.  This is where the country was born, and yes, it was all about money.  For some reason the dumb farking rednecks in the moronic farking Jeebus-belt can't seem to get their tiny little minds wrapped around the facts.
 
2014-02-15 09:33:20 AM  
I recently moved from the south to PA and I can confirm that drivers here are not any better.  And driving too fast with 4WD is not a southern thing like I thought it was.  I have 4WD but, unlike many others, I understand that 4WD doesn't help stop or turn.
 
2014-02-15 09:47:40 AM  
How do we know that the accident was started by a Georgia Belle doing a selfie of her driving in the bad old Yankee snow?
 
2014-02-15 09:48:57 AM  
meyerkev * * Smartest * Funniest 2014-02-14 08:36:38 PM No one knows how to drive on ice and snow. I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.
======================================================

Driving on ice... just don't do it.

Driving on snow... drive slowly. And most importantly: DO NOT STOP. If you do, make certain it's not on the upslope of a hill.

That's it. It's very simple rules to follow.
 
2014-02-15 09:51:19 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


Pittsburgh is a fun city for driving, once you get the hang of "navigating in a 4 dimensional space" with "Highways designed by Escher".

The downtown mess is just that, and everything on the left bank of the Mon/south of the Parkway West is a horrific rat maze of subdivisions which not even the best urban planner could have come up with had 'e been told to do his worst at gunpoint after having been given an entire 8 ball of meth.

The drivers tend to know where they want to be (in the other lane) and when they want to be there (10 minutes ago). Contrast that with Philly drivers, who all just know they want to be "somewhere about 10 miles from here" and "maybe in the next 3 hours".

Back to PGH, GPS is required if you're taking the highways because a missed exit may mean half an hour lost. Traffic and parking customs are very Soviet. One ways, signals, stop signs, lane markings, and the like are just really suggestions. Requirements for parking/driving are mainly utilitarian: "Can my vehicle fit here, and can traffic get by". The 18 to 21 blocks of Smallman are an excellent example. There's a double yellow painted there, with the idea that there is one lane in each direction. Often a 53' trailer will be backed into one of the shops and you just drive on the other side of the road. If someone's driving too slowly, you pass them where able.

Liberty Ave through the Strip is 4 lanes but not wide enough for 4 buses or trucks. If you see two coming in one direction, and there's one going your way, do not get caught in the middle. It will not go well for you unless you're on a motorcycle.

It's really all about situational awareness. I drive a bucket truck around there all the time, and the worst that's happened is I kissed mirrors with a jitney over on some stupid back street in Bloomfield. If you expect to just drive and have the right of way in situations where you normally would, you're not going to last long. If you can be fluid in your driving, you'll do fine.
 
2014-02-15 10:39:07 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.


Philadelphia drivers are bad but Pittsburgh drivers are a special type of terrible.  15 under the speed limit in the left lane?  Sure.  "Pittsburgh Left" where it makes sense to avoid making people behind you wait?  Great idea.  "Pittsburgh left" where you're literally just cutting off oncoming traffic for no reason?  Not so much.  K-turns on city streets without even looking first to see who might be coming?  Yeah, that too.  Someone drove into a wall of a tunnel for some reason?  Hope you have a wide mouthed bottle in the car.
 
2014-02-15 11:17:05 AM  

WanPhat: I recently moved from the south to PA and I can confirm that drivers here are not any better.  And driving too fast with 4WD is not a southern thing like I thought it was.  I have 4WD but, unlike many others, I understand that 4WD doesn't help stop or turn.


Oh, it absolutely does help you turn.  You just have to understand how it's going to skid, and what you need to do with the steering.  The ABS helps you stop.

First thing I ever drove in snow was a '76 Chevy pickup truck, full time 4wd.  No ABS, easy enough to stop anyway.  The only thing it didn't like was wet sheet ice, but even that was ok as long as the hill wasn't too steep.  The second thing I drove in the snow was an '83 Toyota Cressida, rear wheel drive, easy enough unless there are hills, then it needed chains.  Chains also help you stop.

But these days I'm lazy.  Stomp the brakes, let the computer do the work if you're in a hurry to stop.  Otherwise, just stop slowly enough that you don't skid at all.
 
2014-02-15 12:07:14 PM  
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2014-02-15 12:18:53 PM  

wildsnowllama: 1. The left two lanes were covered in a layer of compact snow and ice. The right lane, where I remained, would switch between this snow/ice layer and wet pavement. I kept it slow, others didn't like that and many zoomed by me.


It never ceases to amaze me how douchey some drivers are when the weather gets bad. It seems like everyone needs to get to the gym in 26 minutes, then CRASH! BOOM! BANG! nobody's going anywhere.
 
2014-02-15 03:39:32 PM  

Nefarious: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

Can't argue with the driving abilities of most Philly residents.  Snow days aren't bad but the day after have been some of the worst commutes I've ever experienced.


As bad as Philly is, I'd rather be lumped in with them than with Pittsburgh residents.
 
2014-02-15 09:58:23 PM  

tirob: The investigation is still going on, but there is some thought that what happened was that after the turnpike was plowed, the residue that was left, which had been slushy, suddenly froze over, whereupon people started spinning out.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

This accident happened in Bucks County, not Philadelphia.  Comparatively few Philadelphia residents use the turnpike to get to New Jersey; there are four other bridges across the Delaware for that.  So you don't know what you're talking about, do you?


Wait, what the hell are they investigating? Why the road was slippery, why there were accidents, what? I've never heard such a thing.
 
2014-02-16 07:10:10 AM  

Abacus9: tirob: The investigation is still going on,


Wait, what the hell are they investigating? Why the road was slippery, why there were accidents, what? I've never heard such a thing.


I don't know.  The news reports have been short on specifics.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?id=9432120
 
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