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2014-02-14 08:18:33 PM  
Not wearing panties sounds pretty great to me, but I also have a penis so what do I know.
 
2014-02-14 08:20:10 PM  
no panties? this is relevant to my interests.
 
2014-02-14 08:22:23 PM  
TTIUWP
 
2014-02-14 08:32:18 PM  
After the no panties shine wore off I actually read the article. And this is all that needs to be said:

Go home Deadspin, you're drunk.
Requiring women to follow the contract they signed that says they will not wear underwear, wear bras, and maintain weight is not even a story. It's manufactured poutrage.
 
2014-02-14 08:37:32 PM  
Forcing you to work for free sounds problematic.
 
2014-02-14 08:56:46 PM  
I am somewhat conflicted on this issue.  On the one hand, I do think getting paid $90 a game, given all of the work that goes into prepping ect seems to me excessively low.

That being said, no one is forcing these young ladies to cheer.  I get it, many of these young ladies love to dance and perform, but when they sign a contract that states what the rules and compensation will be, it is hard to feel bad for an adult who makes a commitment.

Bottom line for these cheerleaders is the fact that the supply of labor far exceeds the demand for their services.

Sadly, there is too much money in the NFL for it to survive.
 
2014-02-14 09:05:16 PM  

jpo2269: I am somewhat conflicted on this issue.  On the one hand, I do think getting paid $90 a game, given all of the work that goes into prepping ect seems to me excessively low.

That being said, no one is forcing these young ladies to cheer.  I get it, many of these young ladies love to dance and perform, but when they sign a contract that states what the rules and compensation will be, it is hard to feel bad for an adult who makes a commitment.

Bottom line for these cheerleaders is the fact that the supply of labor far exceeds the demand for their services.

Sadly, there is too much money in the NFL for it to survive.


I assume that you are against a minimum wage in general?
 
2014-02-14 09:06:43 PM  
Cymbal:  manufactured poutrage.

I am so stealing that phrase.
 
2014-02-14 09:14:44 PM  
If Cincinnati drafts Sam, can we call the defensive backfield The Ben-Gays?
 
2014-02-14 09:27:48 PM  
wait just one second

you mean to tell me a job that is desirable solely as a springboard for a modeling career or finding a rich husband is actually kinda shiatty? inconceivable
 
2014-02-14 09:32:02 PM  
tedduck,

Maybe you missed my first point where I said I think for the work that goes into cheering, $90 a game seems excessively low and I truly believe that there is definitely room to improve these cheerleader's compensation.

Am I against "minimum wage in general?"  Depends on where that "minimum" is set.  Do I agree with a "one size fits all' approach?  No.  If San Francisco wants to set a minimum wage at $25 per hour, that is their choice and San Francisco would either succeed or fail with that policy; but it would do so without potentially harming other communities.
 
2014-02-14 09:38:13 PM  
Is this going to be an NFL Cheerleaders thread, or will this be threadjacked by the Richard Sherman knob-slobberers?
 
2014-02-14 09:45:19 PM  

jpo2269: tedduck,

Maybe you missed my first point where I said I think for the work that goes into cheering, $90 a game seems excessively low and I truly believe that there is definitely room to improve these cheerleader's compensation.

Am I against "minimum wage in general?"  Depends on where that "minimum" is set.  Do I agree with a "one size fits all' approach?  No.  If San Francisco wants to set a minimum wage at $25 per hour, that is their choice and San Francisco would either succeed or fail with that policy; but it would do so without potentially harming other communities.


I didn't miss it. Maybe you missed your second point, that supply of labor exceeds demand and that as long as they sign a contract they need to quite complaining. It seems to me those same thoughts can be applied to just about all jobs, especially minimum wage jobs. That is why I asked if you are against minimum wage in general.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't meaning to criticize or judge your comment. Just clarifying.

Perhaps you feel the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hour is too high. Or that it should be set by each state. Or each city. You didn't specify. You only implied that if labor supply exceeds demand and a contract is involved that there isn't any room for the employee to complain. If they sign the contract, regardless of how bad it is for them, tough luck.
 
2014-02-14 10:09:28 PM  

tedduck: Perhaps you feel the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hour is too blahhhhhh.....


Mark down the date. This is the first time a cheerleader thread has morphed into a legal/economic/political clusterfark.
 
2014-02-14 10:30:55 PM  

phamwaa: tedduck: Perhaps you feel the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hour is too blahhhhhh.....

Mark down the date. This is the first time a cheerleader thread has morphed into a legal/economic/political clusterfark.


Unfortunately, it isn't. :/
 
2014-02-14 10:34:04 PM  
Thread seriously lacking in cheerleader pics

Fark, I am disappoint
 
2014-02-14 10:35:10 PM  

SubBass49: Thread seriously lacking in cheerleader pics

Fark, I am disappoint


m5.paperblog.com

FTFM
 
2014-02-14 10:40:44 PM  
tedduck,

Forgive me, I did not mean to imply you were being judgmental.  I will try to clarify my comments.

1. While I feel the $90 per game compensation cheerleaders receive is excessively low, cheerleading is not a career so to speak and is not a job that one would raise a family doing.

2. unfortunately for the cheerleaders, their job is not necessary for any team to attract fans.  If "Team A" were to do away with their cheerleaders, I would imagine they would catch flack, but I would be shocked if they lost attendance at home games.

3. As for minimum wage, I do think a state or municipalities should be the one to set what they feel best for their situation.  A federal minimum wage increase may not affect NYC or San Fran, but Jackson, Mississippi might not be able to handle said increase.  If California wants to increase the state min wage, that is fine with me and I would imagine they would do so until such time they lose business, or fail to attract new businesses to neighboring states...  Far easier to adjust to local conditions than try to apply a single approach to 50 different states.

4. I have been hanging out on Fark for some time now and one thing you can set your watch to is every spring (thankfully) there will be multiple threads highlighting various team's cheerleading tryouts complete with pictures of hundreds of young ladies vying for a few spots on team x's cheer squad..  Thus the supply of potential labor far exceeds the demand...

5. Despite comment number 1, if I were in charge, I would set a pay scale much higher than $90 a game.  While I do not think the cheerleaders are necessary, I do think they do add to the game day experience.  I would go further by saying, at $90 a game, these cheerleaders are probably making as much, or less than the folks running drinks up and down the isles (most of these folks bust their arses and not suggesting the cheerleaders do not).

6. I would be interested in seeing how much it costs a team to run a cheerleading squad.  Based on the article, on average, a cheerleading squard brings in about $1 million per year.  Income minus costs minus a profit to the team might paint a picture for what these cheerleaders could argue to be paid...

Lastly, as I am sure you have probably surmised, I do believe in the "market" but I am not one that does not see the value in trying to set a positive example.. provided that it doesn't kill profit.  I do not believe a company's sole obligation is to the shareholders and furthermore, I also believe negative press IS adverse to the best interest of the company AND shareholders....Costco vs. Wal-Mart is a good example (although not a Wal-Mart hater) is a good example.. Costco has made it work and good for them...
 
2014-02-14 10:53:05 PM  

tedduck: jpo2269: tedduck,

Maybe you missed my first point where I said I think for the work that goes into cheering, $90 a game seems excessively low and I truly believe that there is definitely room to improve these cheerleader's compensation.

Am I against "minimum wage in general?"  Depends on where that "minimum" is set.  Do I agree with a "one size fits all' approach?  No.  If San Francisco wants to set a minimum wage at $25 per hour, that is their choice and San Francisco would either succeed or fail with that policy; but it would do so without potentially harming other communities.

I didn't miss it. Maybe you missed your second point, that supply of labor exceeds demand and that as long as they sign a contract they need to quite complaining. It seems to me those same thoughts can be applied to just about all jobs, especially minimum wage jobs. That is why I asked if you are against minimum wage in general.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't meaning to criticize or judge your comment. Just clarifying.

Perhaps you feel the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hour is too high. Or that it should be set by each state. Or each city. You didn't specify. You only implied that if labor supply exceeds demand and a contract is involved that there isn't any room for the employee to complain. If they sign the contract, regardless of how bad it is for them, tough luck.


You know back in the days of the real Fark this thread would have been full of cheerleader photos instead of farkers whining about the pros/cons of min wage.
 
2014-02-14 10:59:21 PM  
Waldo, I apologize, I am guilty of not helping the real cause.  For this I am very, very sorry.  Allow me to try and make amends...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-14 11:05:47 PM  
I'm just not sure exactly what a slouching breast is.
I figured it takes vertebrae and such to slouch and generally human breasts don't have bones.
 
2014-02-14 11:11:51 PM  

Waldo Pepper: You know back in the days of the real Fark this thread would have been full of cheerleader photos instead of farkers whining about the pros/cons of min wage.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-14 11:50:19 PM  
Oh shutup attention whores...we all know that minimum wage can support your Walmart shopping for meth ingredients. Hell half the time they don't cross-shop the OTCs.

You broads are across the river from Kentucky, and less than a creepy uncle's hand-length from developing many social issues.

Maybe it's time to bring the rapists and thugs back to Cinci?

Far too long since a Bengals player has been arrested for driving down the interstate standing on the front seats through the sunroof, buck naked, with his gentleman sausage flapping in the breeze like a French surrender flag.

Someone has this team on-track.
 
2014-02-15 12:52:58 AM  
The three lbs rule is a bit crazy. You can easily vary that much from day to day, even more so if you're a woman with a natural fertility cycle each month.
 
2014-02-15 01:08:13 AM  

EngineerAU: The three lbs rule is a bit crazy. You can easily vary that much from day to day, even more so if you're a woman with a natural fertility cycle each month.


Just swallow a few condoms full of lead shot before each weigh-in.
 
2014-02-15 01:22:48 AM  
Christ. The NFL should just get rid of cheerleaders altogether and put an end to this biatching.
 
2014-02-15 01:42:39 AM  

jpo2269: Waldo, I apologize, I am guilty of not helping the real cause.  For this I am very, very sorry.  Allow me to try and make amends...


Charger? Gladly!
 
2014-02-15 03:47:41 AM  

jpo2269: tedduck,

Forgive me, I did not mean to imply you were being judgmental.  I will try to clarify my comments.

1. While I feel the $90 per game compensation cheerleaders receive is excessively low, cheerleading is not a career so to speak and is not a job that one would raise a family doing.

2. unfortunately for the cheerleaders, their job is not necessary for any team to attract fans.  If "Team A" were to do away with their cheerleaders, I would imagine they would catch flack, but I would be shocked if they lost attendance at home games.

3. As for minimum wage, I do think a state or municipalities should be the one to set what they feel best for their situation.  A federal minimum wage increase may not affect NYC or San Fran, but Jackson, Mississippi might not be able to handle said increase.  If California wants to increase the state min wage, that is fine with me and I would imagine they would do so until such time they lose business, or fail to attract new businesses to neighboring states...  Far easier to adjust to local conditions than try to apply a single approach to 50 different states.

4. I have been hanging out on Fark for some time now and one thing you can set your watch to is every spring (thankfully) there will be multiple threads highlighting various team's cheerleading tryouts complete with pictures of hundreds of young ladies vying for a few spots on team x's cheer squad..  Thus the supply of potential labor far exceeds the demand...

5. Despite comment number 1, if I were in charge, I would set a pay scale much higher than $90 a game.  While I do not think the cheerleaders are necessary, I do think they do add to the game day experience.  I would go further by saying, at $90 a game, these cheerleaders are probably making as much, or less than the folks running drinks up and down the isles (most of these folks bust their arses and not suggesting the cheerleaders do not).

6. I would be interested in seeing how much it costs a team to run a cheerl ...


There is nothing in any of your points that explains why an employer should be allowed to violate labor laws. And that's the point of these suits, these teams are violating labor laws and justifying it by saying "it's such an awesome gig and lots of people want to do it."

I bet there are a lot of people who want jobs in your field. If we were to advertise your position, I bet we'd get more people willing to do the job than the number needed to fill the job (which is one). So it's okay if we pay that person less than minimum wage and say "take it or leave it"? Or how about we start paying you $5/hour because there's lots of other people who want to do your job? Are you okay with that? No?

There are no exceptions in the law because "It's a part-time job" or "it's not a career" or "lots of people want to do it." Nor can you legally agree to be paid less than the law requires, to work under unlawful conditions or to be discriminated against, even if you signed a contract saying you would. Labor laws apply to ALL employers.

Cripes, I'm sick of these rationalizations in these threads. It's a job and if you don't think whatever you're saying applies to all jobs, you need to re-think what you're saying.
 
2014-02-15 06:04:23 AM  
The tags for this story are probably the only time you'll ever see "bengals" and "interesting" together.
 
2014-02-15 07:42:26 AM  
All teams should just get rid of them. Who needs the farking headache. Six Teams don't have them and do just fine without them. And other than online, how often do you even see them?
 
2014-02-15 08:02:12 AM  
Mysterious: "Absolutely no one is permitted to go into the back closet in the gym. This area is completely off limits unless instructed."

Because that is where the cameras and/or recording equipment is at?
 
2014-02-15 08:38:58 AM  
ok, we need pics. i'm not sure how you can have a pic of something NOT being there... but i'm relying on you farmers to make a breakthrough.
 
2014-02-15 09:15:36 AM  
I know a couple  former professional cheerleaders, They could care less about the $90/game or whatever they made  when they were cheerleaders. One made more than enough modelling, and the other married a celebrity. It all works out. They lived large while cheerleading, and have enough memories to last a lifetime.

/cowgirl and a falconette(?)
 
2014-02-15 09:19:38 AM  

umad: Christ. The NFL should just get rid of cheerleaders altogether and put an end to this biatching.


...why do you hate America?
 
2014-02-15 11:42:50 AM  

LessO2: Is this going to be an NFL Cheerleaders thread, or will this be threadjacked by the Richard Sherman knob-slobberers?


Oh look, you complain about the possibility of a thread begin jacked by attempting to threadjack.

Obsessions....let them go...
 
2014-02-15 02:20:57 PM  

Cymbal: After the no panties shine wore off I actually read the article. And this is all that needs to be said:

Go home Deadspin, you're drunk.
Requiring women to follow the contract they signed that says they will not wear underwear, wear bras, and maintain weight is not even a story. It's manufactured poutrage.


Derp-like typing detected.

getabrainmorans.jpg
 
2014-02-15 04:34:34 PM  
In other news, porn actresses sue for emotional distress resulting from being payed to get plowed by guys with huge dongs.

/occupational hazard, anyone?
//NFL cheerleaders are completely periphery to NFL fans' enjoyment of the game. They exist to schlep calendars of themselves, and the very remote chance at latching on to a career in publicity/entertainment/marrying a pro athlete.
///As such, here's a tiny violin they can all go play.
 
2014-02-15 08:48:51 PM  

MFAWG: Forcing you to work for free sounds problematic.


i read that as patriotic
 
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