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(SeattlePI)   Texas to potentially release 'illegitimately imprisoned' man from his three decades in prison. The reason for the delay? He didn't ask to be let out after his murder conviction was tossed decades ago   (seattlepi.com) divider line 106
    More: Interesting, Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Jerry Hartsfield, speedy trial, convicts  
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2014-02-14 05:20:16 PM
If it's a legitimate imprisonment, criminal justice system has ways to shut the prisoner release down.
 
2014-02-14 05:53:16 PM
How much will they charge him for 30 years of room and board?
 
2014-02-14 05:53:57 PM
Must be a Democrat.  Won't let go of the government teat.
 
2014-02-14 05:54:39 PM
They should have just executed him, then we wouldn't have this problem.
 
2014-02-14 05:55:20 PM
He's should sue Texas for a jillion bucks for wrongful imprisonment (how can you commute an overturned conviction???), but then Texas would probably just charge him for decades of room and board.
 
2014-02-14 05:55:27 PM
Ah, Texas.  Stoic defenders of what they imagine the constitution to be.
 
2014-02-14 05:57:10 PM
So you only have the right to a speedy trial if you ask for it?
 
2014-02-14 05:58:34 PM
He urged State District Judge Craig Estlinbaum to free Hartsfield "with prejudice," meaning the state couldn't retry him on the same charges.

I was hoping it meant the state sent SWAT teams to apprehend or neutralize all of the prosecution team.
 
2014-02-14 05:59:39 PM
Hello dad, I'm in jail. I'm in jail, I'm gonna stay here. I like it here.
 
2014-02-14 06:00:19 PM
let me guess, he's black
*checks article*
yep
 
2014-02-14 06:01:01 PM
Guy has an IQ of 51 according to TFA.

How'd they keep him locked up so long if he's the smartest man in Texas?
 
2014-02-14 06:01:17 PM
Hartfield "failed to proffer any evidence that he wanted a speedy trial during this period," Reis wrote. No evidence supports a finding that Hartfield "actually wanted a new and speedy trial," that he did anything before 2007 to assert that his right to a speedy trial had been violated, or that the state deliberately acted to delay a retrial, Reis contends.


ah   i see
so if you dont ask me not to break your legs
its ok

got it
 
2014-02-14 06:02:30 PM

CRtwenty: So you only have the right to a speedy trial if you ask for it?


My thoughts exactly.

The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.
 
2014-02-14 06:08:19 PM
In a court filing, Matagorda County District Attorney Steven Reis rejected the assertion that Hartfield should go free. While acknowledging that the state "may be partially responsible" for the delay in retrying Hartfield, Reis argued that prosecutors didn't act in bad faith and that Hartfield bears some responsibility.

Mr. Reis should lose his license to practice law for even saying this.

I'll never understand when authorities try to defend shiat like this.
 
2014-02-14 06:09:48 PM

bindlestiff2600: Hartfield "failed to proffer any evidence that he wanted a speedy trial during this period," Reis wrote. No evidence supports a finding that Hartfield "actually wanted a new and speedy trial," that he did anything before 2007 to assert that his right to a speedy trial had been violated, or that the state deliberately acted to delay a retrial, Reis contends.


ah   i see
so if you dont ask me not to break your legs
its ok

got it


If you didn't want me to take all of your stuff and burn it in the back yard so you had a nice cheery bonfire when you got home you should have left a note!
 
2014-02-14 06:12:05 PM
I'm pretty sure it's spelled Texa$.

/pet peave
 
2014-02-14 06:15:05 PM

3 G's: The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.


Driver's License
CCW
Social Security benefits
Kindergarten
Parade permit
Food stamps
Obamacare

Should I continue?
 
m00
2014-02-14 06:17:54 PM

meat0918: How much will they charge him for 30 years of room and board?


done in two. that's exactly what I was thinking... It's OUTRAGEOUS this guy gets free room and board for all these years. We need to make him pay the bill for his freeloading.
 
2014-02-14 06:21:33 PM
Is he black? Lol.....I don't even have to ask. I already know the answer.
 
2014-02-14 06:22:09 PM

doglover: He urged State District Judge Craig Estlinbaum to free Hartsfield "with prejudice," meaning the state couldn't retry him on the same charges.

I was hoping it meant the state sent SWAT teams to apprehend or neutralize all of the prosecution team.


Naw, the Texas Rangers do not usually go about in SWAT teams during investigations of DAs and local/county/state officials. They just show up in business suits with a handful of warrants and maybe a few sheriffs deputies.
 
2014-02-14 06:22:11 PM

rkiller1: 3 G's: The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.

Driver's License
CCW
Social Security benefits
Kindergarten
Parade permit
Food stamps
Obamacare

Should I continue?


No, because you are making no sense.
 
2014-02-14 06:23:23 PM
I always wondered what happened to Glen Rice, once he got out the NBA.

- saw the pic, DRTFA
 
2014-02-14 06:24:18 PM
DubyaHater: Is he black? Lol.....I don't even have to ask. I already know the answer.

(checks just in case its a Messican)  That's a bingo
 
2014-02-14 06:26:01 PM

rkiller1: 3 G's: The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.

Driver's License
CCW
Social Security benefits
Kindergarten
Parade permit
Food stamps
Obamacare

Should I continue?


None of those things are rights.
 
2014-02-14 06:28:54 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Guy has an IQ of 51 according to TFA.

How'd they keep him locked up so long if he's the smartest man in Texas?


^
 
2014-02-14 06:29:15 PM
There are so many stories like this and they all seem to be from Texas. I wonder what that means?
 
2014-02-14 06:29:34 PM
That article is missing an explanation of how Texass can get around that pesky "double jeopardy" clause in the Bill of Rights.
 
2014-02-14 06:29:58 PM
img.fark.net

a man becomes ... institutionalized
 
2014-02-14 06:36:14 PM

cyberspacedout: That article is missing an explanation of how Texass can get around that pesky "double jeopardy" clause in the Bill of Rights.


Suck it, Trebek.
 
2014-02-14 06:37:35 PM
And being texas, he'll get a bill in a few weeks..
 
2014-02-14 06:39:31 PM
Why the fark is Texass still a state? I thought we sold them back to Mexico decades ago.
 
2014-02-14 06:45:49 PM

cyberspacedout: That article is missing an explanation of how Texass can get around that pesky "double jeopardy" clause in the Bill of Rights.


What is this "Bill of Rights" you speak of? Texass knows nothing of this! Texass only knows of the 2nd and 10th Amendments!
 
2014-02-14 06:48:10 PM
So if they find him guilty at his retrial, and he is sentenced to 30 years, would they credit him for time-served, and release him, or would he still have to serve 30 more years?
 
2014-02-14 06:49:57 PM
'Texass'?  Really?  Wow subby, you rock.
 
2014-02-14 06:58:28 PM
Maybe he was instutionalized, and couldn't make it on the outside?
 
2014-02-14 06:58:59 PM

gameshowhost [TotalFark]


a man becomes ... institutionalized

Came for Red.
 
2014-02-14 06:59:41 PM

gameshowhost: [img.fark.net image 480x360]

a man becomes ... institutionalized


Yeah, you beat me to it. I will get busy dying.
 
2014-02-14 07:00:07 PM

3 G's: CRtwenty:

So you only have the right to a speedy trial if you ask for it?

My thoughts exactly.

The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.


It pays to know what your rights are, first off. And to know that the government usually sees your rights as something to take away or mess with, when they're not ignoring them altogether.

Another thing is rights are granted by the government as condescension, and that they don't belong you as a person but to you as a legally recognized member of society. That is all such rights are civil rights: human rights sounds like a good idea but in practice it's impossible to enforce them. Even civil rights are enforceable only as long as the government agrees that you have them. E.g., the widespread spying & surveillance imposed on Americans means that our right to privacy has been nullified, pretty much for as long as the US government exists, because there is no way the government will give that up now that it's established.

NB: Americans still have the right to own guns because so many Americans already have guns and are determined to keep them and the personal power guns represent. And some of those "gun nuts" are serious: they really will fight back.

But since privacy can't be grasped in your hand it's easier to cheat you out of it by claiming to protect you from Terror. Most people don't realize that giving up everybody's privacy to hunt "terrorists" applies to them too. Then too you've got to remember that "the government" or even "NSA" is made up of a large number of individuals, any one of whom might decide to "go rogue" as far as you're concerned. Be nice to the guy down the street who works for the IRS, for example.

As for the right to a speedy trial, that only works when you insist on it. You simply can't expect the government to out of the goodness of its heart respect those rights that it finds inconvenient. That's not how power works.

(Somebody who's soberer or smarter is welcome to try to put this stuff better.)
 
2014-02-14 07:05:13 PM
Ishidan
2014-02-14 06:22:11 PM

rkiller1: 3 G's: The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.

Driver's License
CCW
Social Security benefits
Kindergarten
Parade permit
Food stamps
Obamacare

Should I continue?

No, because you are making no sense.

You lacking basic comprehension, does not mean the speaker is the one at fault.
 
2014-02-14 07:06:04 PM

fusillade762: They should have just executed him, then we wouldn't have this problem.


If only the Decider had been old enough to get elected back in the 70s, you might have seen that happen.  He was the one who said he reviewed each death penalty case thoroughly and he never found a reason to overturn or mitigate the sentence.  Of course back then Dubya was more concerned with boozing and missing National Guard drills.
 
2014-02-14 07:07:10 PM
The fu...

Oh, his conviction was "overturned" in the sense that the judge invalidated it on technical grounds and sent it to retrial, and then the retrial was delayed repeatedly with a commutation of the death penalty in favor of life ostensibly while they re-did the case.

That's... not quite as bad as what I was imagining from subby's incredibly poor reading-comprehension interpretation.
 
2014-02-14 07:10:44 PM
An IQ around 50? Hopefully they move him into a different kind of institution. Free range he's likely to wander into traffic. With a change cup.

If a man has the mind of a child, we lock them up. Yet children run free.
 
2014-02-14 07:15:21 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'Texass'?  Really?  Wow subby, you rock.


I was about to say something too, cheesey. But then I thought about subby smirking, chuckling, and jerking it to his "clever" headline. And I thought "Nah, let it go. Even them slow fellers deserve a little joy in their life."
 
2014-02-14 07:15:22 PM
I hope the state is going to sue him for his room and board.

He should be able to make a killing on professional checkers circuit
 
2014-02-14 07:15:59 PM
Isn't that Forrest's friend Bubba?
 
2014-02-14 07:18:46 PM

uber humper: I hope the state is going to sue him for his room and board.

He should be able to make a killing on professional checkers circuit


Penn Jillette often remarks you can tell a LOT about a magician's past based on his skill level with card tricks. If he's got an incredible bottom deal or some other freak good dealing tricks, he's been in jail or an extended hospital stay.
 
2014-02-14 07:20:34 PM

OnlyM3: Ishidan
2014-02-14 06:22:11 PM

rkiller1: 3 G's: The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.

Driver's License
CCW
Social Security benefits
Kindergarten
Parade permit
Food stamps
Obamacare

Should I continue?

No, because you are making no sense.
You lacking basic comprehension, does not mean the speaker is the one at fault.


He was referring to the fact that none of the listed items are rights.
 
2014-02-14 07:24:52 PM
There has to be an ineffective assistance of counsel claim in there somewhere.
 
2014-02-14 07:24:58 PM
The Government, ladies and gentlemen! Make sure you allow these same people and more like them control every aspect of your life.
 
2014-02-14 07:25:30 PM

jxb465: OnlyM3: Ishidan
2014-02-14 06:22:11 PM

rkiller1: 3 G's: The nice thing about "rights" is that you usually don't have to let the government know that you *want* them, to have them.

Driver's License
CCW
Social Security benefits
Kindergarten
Parade permit
Food stamps
Obamacare

Should I continue?

No, because you are making no sense.
You lacking basic comprehension, does not mean the speaker is the one at fault.

He was referring to the fact that none of the listed items are rights.


turnips
Pool Noodles
1996 Chevy Impala
hermit crabs
Tim Curry
Mortal Kombat
flannel sheets

None of these things are Muppets.
 
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