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(Some astronomologer)   Young Americans may not be as dumb as previously supposed   (neoacademic.com) divider line 79
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2014-02-14 04:35:47 PM  
Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?
 
2014-02-14 04:36:22 PM  
But do they remember their President Nixon?

Or the bills they have to pay?

Or even yesterday?
 
2014-02-14 04:37:24 PM  
Clearly submitter has not been around teenagers lately

/dumbest things to every walk the planet
 
2014-02-14 04:38:13 PM  
Who did this study? I want to know their age.
 
2014-02-14 04:38:27 PM  
No, I'm pretty sure they are.
 
2014-02-14 04:39:41 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Clearly submitter has not been around teenagers lately

/dumbest things to every walk the planet


They learned it from you!
 
2014-02-14 04:41:18 PM  
So they may not actually think that astrology has any scientific merit, it's just that they don't know what "astrology" means.
I'm gonna wait and see who signs up for cosmology and who's up for cosmetology.
 
2014-02-14 04:43:56 PM  
I would guess a pretty high number believe in karma.
 
2014-02-14 04:44:16 PM  
Great, so they're not as dumb. The just have the vocabulary of 10 year olds.
 
2014-02-14 04:44:44 PM  
What the NSF actually did was ask the question, "Is astrology scientific?"

In a way, it is. It has methodology and hypothesis', and conclusions derived from a set of data and known variables, and it makes predictions based on evidence. That's science.

It's not correct science, but it's still science. It's still using a process of reasoning and investigative inquiry to describe and explain natural phenomena. It just happens to be wrong, just like phlogiston and phrenology and lamarackism and caloric theory and the 4 humors and all the other failed scientific theories in the past.

Something is not automatically correct just because it's scientific. But science does produce everything that is correct.
 
2014-02-14 04:46:06 PM  

lostcat: Great, so they're not as dumb. The just have the vocabulary of 10 year olds.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-14 04:46:07 PM  
So they`re not dumb, they just don`t know what words mean. Gee, that`s so much better.
 
2014-02-14 04:46:18 PM  
Ok everyone calm down, it turns out they're not too stupid to determine if astrology is scientific, they're just too stupid to know basic vocabulary.
 
2014-02-14 04:47:36 PM  
Crap. Next time I will use speech to text so you Farkers don't beat me at a comment.
 
2014-02-14 04:49:21 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Clearly submitter has not been around teenagers lately

/dumbest things to every walk the planet


At least since we were that age
 
2014-02-14 04:50:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Clearly submitter has not been around teenagers lately

/dumbest things to every walk the planet



Lol
 
2014-02-14 04:53:24 PM  
Well... Astrology does require a great deal of cartography, equations, and methodology. It's science-ish it just doesn't have any merit.
 
2014-02-14 04:55:17 PM  

mike_d85: Well... Astrology does require a great deal of cartography, equations, and methodology. It's science-ish it just doesn't have any merit.


Yea, it's science for people who don't believe in logic
 
2014-02-14 04:55:45 PM  
"Kids are mixing up astronomy and astrology so they aren't as dumb as you might think" is failing to convince me.
 
2014-02-14 05:00:16 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Smeggy Smurf: Clearly submitter has not been around teenagers lately

/dumbest things to every walk the planet


Lol


Goddamitsomuch.  I'm going to kick my finger's ass for that one.

/for once can't blame a typo on being drunk
 
2014-02-14 05:00:49 PM  

uber humper: Yea, it's science for people who don't believe in logicscience.


Wrong word.

Science for people that don't believe in observation, empiricism, parsimony, falsification, and controlling for variables.  That kind of science.   Logic is for namby pamby mathematicians and philosophers, science don't need that junk.
 
2014-02-14 05:04:02 PM  
Most people can't science at all so how would they know?
 
2014-02-14 05:06:19 PM  
Well, It had David Sanborn on it, and some pretty witty lyrics. I wouldn't have thought of it as dumb. Maybe derivative of soul music.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-14 05:07:44 PM  

ikanreed: uber humper: Yea, it's science for people who don't believe in logicscience.

Wrong word.

Science for people that don't believe in observation, empiricism, parsimony, falsification, and controlling for variables.  That kind of science.   Logic is for namby pamby mathematicians and philosophers, science don't need that junk.


I followed and agreed with all the above but do not understand the parsimony piece (at least as i understand the word)
 
2014-02-14 05:12:29 PM  

ikanreed: uber humper: Yea, it's science for people who don't believe in logicscience.

Wrong word.

Science for people that don't believe in observation, empiricism, parsimony, falsification, and controlling for variables.  That kind of science.   Logic is for namby pamby mathematicians and philosophers, science don't need that junk.


HA You're right. I stand corrected.

/been reading alot of Stoic writings lately
 
2014-02-14 05:15:12 PM  

johnny_vegas: ikanreed: uber humper: Yea, it's science for people who don't believe in logicscience.

Wrong word.

Science for people that don't believe in observation, empiricism, parsimony, falsification, and controlling for variables.  That kind of science.   Logic is for namby pamby mathematicians and philosophers, science don't need that junk.

I followed and agreed with all the above but do not understand the parsimony piece (at least as i understand the word)


I disagree with observation, but I don't know what parsimony means. They observe the position of stars and make sweeping generalizations based on anecdotal observation.
 
2014-02-14 05:19:10 PM  
i527.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-14 05:19:55 PM  
Good news! They might simply be too ignorant to be as stupid as you thought!
 
2014-02-14 05:20:41 PM  
One out of four think Space Jesus orbits the Sun, which orbits the Earth.

We're about eight months from raping kids to cure AIDS.
 
2014-02-14 05:24:22 PM  
It is interesting that in an article where he talks about how people don't know the definition, he causally says that astrology is the art of unlicensed psychological therapy which is well wrong.
 
2014-02-14 05:25:14 PM  
Geology.
Biology.
Astrology.
Paleontology.

One of these things is not like the others, but they've all got the same suffix.

We can't even blame the flakes for appropriating scientific labels, because the term goes back to Roman times.
 
2014-02-14 05:25:41 PM  
I choose not to criticize the younger generation as they will ultimately choose your fate once you grow week or feeble, unless they've already figured out a way to kill you already.

All I'm saying is that I expect thousands of senile Baby Boomers bulldozed off cliffs by 2016.
 
2014-02-14 05:26:41 PM  

apoptotic: So they`re not dumb, they just don`t know what words mean. Gee, that`s so much better.


In all fairness, vocabulary is something that can easily be fixed, as it isn't necessarily tied to changing a belief system.  We're wired to learn new words very quickly.
 
2014-02-14 05:27:44 PM  

rjakobi: I choose not to criticize the younger generation as they will ultimately choose your fate once you grow week or feeble, unless they've already figured out a way to kill you already.

All I'm saying is that I expect thousands of senile Baby Boomers bulldozed off cliffs by 2016.


You mean there might be some job openings?
 
2014-02-14 05:28:55 PM  

Billy Liar: So they may not actually think that astrology has any scientific merit, it's just that they don't know what "astrology" means.
I'm gonna wait and see who signs up for cosmology and who's up for cosmetology.


CSS:
I went to school for cosmetology. A younger co-worker asked what I was studying and responded to the answer with, "Wow! So you're like going to be a comet scientist?!"

I wept for our future.
 
2014-02-14 05:31:28 PM  
Not as dumb as previously thought, but even more dumb?

DNRTFA.
 
2014-02-14 05:34:55 PM  

Weigard: But do they remember their President Nixon?

Or the bills they have to pay?

Or even yesterday?


leaving satisfied.
 
2014-02-14 05:35:34 PM  

mike_d85: johnny_vegas: ikanreed: uber humper: Yea, it's science for people who don't believe in logicscience.

Wrong word.

Science for people that don't believe in observation, empiricism, parsimony, falsification, and controlling for variables.  That kind of science.   Logic is for namby pamby mathematicians and philosophers, science don't need that junk.

I followed and agreed with all the above but do not understand the parsimony piece (at least as i understand the word)

I disagree with observation, but I don't know what parsimony means. They observe the position of stars and make sweeping generalizations based on anecdotal observation.


Astrological believers who use observation cease to exist, since they quickly observe that astrological predictions  do not reliably come true.

I suspect he used parsimony along the Occam's Razor meaning.  Astrology uses a lot of complicated assumptions and rules for no particular reasons.
 
2014-02-14 05:36:00 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Who did this study? I want to know their they're age.


FTFY
 
2014-02-14 05:38:09 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Cerebral Ballsy: Who did this study? I want to know their they're aged.

FTFY


FTFY, too
 
2014-02-14 05:43:31 PM  

thrasherrr: mike_d85: johnny_vegas: ikanreed: uber humper: Yea, it's science for people who don't believe in logicscience.

Wrong word.

Science for people that don't believe in observation, empiricism, parsimony, falsification, and controlling for variables.  That kind of science.   Logic is for namby pamby mathematicians and philosophers, science don't need that junk.

I followed and agreed with all the above but do not understand the parsimony piece (at least as i understand the word)

I disagree with observation, but I don't know what parsimony means. They observe the position of stars and make sweeping generalizations based on anecdotal observation.

Astrological believers who use observation cease to exist, since they quickly observe that astrological predictions  do not reliably come true.

I suspect he used parsimony along the Occam's Razor meaning.  Astrology uses a lot of complicated assumptions and rules for no particular reasons.


That's better than anything I could come up with for "parsimony" in that context. Makes sense.
 
2014-02-14 05:49:03 PM  

dmax: Well, It had David Sanborn on it, and some pretty witty lyrics. I wouldn't have thought of it as dumb. Maybe derivative of soul music.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x510]


AND Luther Vandros AND John Lennon AND Carlos Alomar
 
2014-02-14 05:57:08 PM  
Now that you've pointed out how dumb I look, let me try to explain myself.  This game is particularly fun when alcohol or grass is involved.
 
2014-02-14 06:07:17 PM  

Billy Liar: So they may not actually think that astrology has any scientific merit, it's just that they don't know what "astrology" means.
I'm gonna wait and see who signs up for cosmology and who's up for cosmetology.


FWIW-  I confused metrology with meterology when I entered the Air Force.  Best mistake of my life.  Now I've got a decent paying job and never have take the heat for my inability to accurately predict atmospheric conditions.
 
2014-02-14 06:50:38 PM  
I assumed this was exactly the case, but I didn't know where to find the original question. Thanks media, for your frequent wholesale shiatastic reporting.
 
2014-02-14 06:55:01 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Ok everyone calm down, it turns out they're not too stupid to determine if astrology is scientific, they're just too stupid to know basic vocabulary.


Do you get upset that they don't know what punchcards and laserdiscs are, or floppies?Do you then claim that they're too stupid to know basic computer knowledge?
 
2014-02-14 06:56:08 PM  
 
2014-02-14 07:02:00 PM  

GloomCookie613: Billy Liar: So they may not actually think that astrology has any scientific merit, it's just that they don't know what "astrology" means.
I'm gonna wait and see who signs up for cosmology and who's up for cosmetology.

CSS:
I went to school for cosmetology. A younger co-worker asked what I was studying and responded to the answer with, "Wow! So you're like going to be a comet scientist?!"

I wept for our future.


I was at a hotel bar wearing an APS "Year of Physics" shirt (that was 2005, the 100th anniversary of Einstein's famous papers), and a cute young thing sitting next to me assumed that I was a psychic. An interesting conversation ensued.
 
2014-02-14 07:04:05 PM  
Learning new words is one thing, but apparently learning old words is tricky.
 
2014-02-14 07:17:51 PM  
i734.photobucket.com
 
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