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(Kansas City)   The same Missouri lawmakers who had a problem with the state keeping track of CCW permits because of privacy concerns approved a bill tracking who gets prescriptions filled for Lipitor and boner pills, because unlike guns, drugs can be harmful   (kansascity.com) divider line 57
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2014-02-14 04:21:04 PM  
Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.
 
2014-02-14 04:43:56 PM  
Pursuit of happiness?
 
2014-02-14 04:57:47 PM  
There is that HEPA law and all. Funny how hard some politicians work to throw away your last bit of  privacy.
 
2014-02-14 05:07:25 PM  

factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.


I'm not sure where the guarantee of privacy regarding firearms is enshrined in the constitution.
 
2014-02-14 05:07:27 PM  
Lipitor and boner pills

I imagine demand is high for both in Kansas.
 
2014-02-14 05:08:30 PM  

edmo: HEPA law


I think you mean HIPPO law.

/pet peeve
 
2014-02-14 05:10:37 PM  

Calmamity: edmo: HEPA law

I think you mean HIPPO law.

/pet peeve


I think you mean HIPAA
 
2014-02-14 05:11:47 PM  
That Lipitor, man.  You don't want to mess with that stuff.  fark you up all day.
 
2014-02-14 05:12:16 PM  
...and because the state wants to make fun of all of the horny men who still want sex after the age of 60, when they should be thinking of yogurt, flip-flops, and colonoscopies.
 
2014-02-14 05:13:37 PM  

qorkfiend: factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.

I'm not sure where the guarantee of privacy regarding firearms is enshrined in the constitution.



Damn you for obliterating his stupid talking point!
 
2014-02-14 05:13:38 PM  

Rixel: Calmamity: edmo: HEPA law

I think you mean HIPPO law.

/pet peeve

I think you mean HIPAA


You are correct.

And its meen, not mean.

/pet peeve
 
2014-02-14 05:14:16 PM  

Calmamity: edmo: HEPA law

I think you mean HIPPO law.

/pet peeve


You're both wrong.  It's HIPPY law
 
2014-02-14 05:17:32 PM  

udhq: Calmamity: edmo: HEPA law

I think you mean HIPPO law.

/pet peeve

You're both wrong.  It's HIPPY law


When will Farkers shut up about Hipsters??
 
2014-02-14 05:18:07 PM  

Trail of Dead: When will Farkers shut up about Hipsters??


Before it's cool.
 
2014-02-14 05:19:35 PM  

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2014-02-14 05:22:21 PM  

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2014-02-14 05:25:25 PM  
So have we officially completed the Missouri Derp trifecta for today?
 
2014-02-14 05:26:10 PM  
all the laws should match up because all things are just things and should be treated the same.

or something
 
2014-02-14 05:28:19 PM  

LukeR: So have we officially completed the Missouri Derp trifecta for today?


Day is not over yet. Maybe they can get the Missouri Derp Superfecta
 
2014-02-14 05:28:54 PM  
Heh, the gun thing goes beyond CCW permits in MO- we actually have some of the most liberal and loose gun laws in the nation. Example:

A rule called the "gun show" rule: You can legally purchase a firearm from a private party at a gun show, convention, or in their bedroom in their home. The ONLY thing that needs to be done to document this transaction is that the seller complete a "bill of sale" with the buyer's name, address, DOB, and the serial # of the firearm purchased. The seller is only required to retain this documentation for one year. I have friends who buy, sell, and trade guns like they're f'n baseball cards.

I feel like I should buy one as a matter of course, since there's NO WAY those laws stay on the books for much longer without some kind of restriction put in place.

/we may also have the 4th highest "murder by gun" ratio in the nation
//lots of meth runners with guns
 
2014-02-14 05:31:38 PM  

edmo: There is that HEPA law and all. Funny how hard some politicians work to throw away your last bit of  privacy.


Yeah, they discuss HIPAA:

The data would be considered confidential but could be provided to doctors, pharmacists, regulators and law officers who have a subpoena or court order.

It's perfectly legal, and is just being made to sound scarier than it really is. I have a friend who actually does this as a part of his job. He sees a name and meds, and he looks for contraindications to make sure that people aren't being prescribed drugs that will interfere with each other, he also makes sure that people aren't doctor shopping. Nobody's privacy is invaded, and all it does is help make the system safer.
 
2014-02-14 05:35:47 PM  
2 things from TFA:

1. It covers ALL 'scripts. Subby is just trying to make shiat sound worse than it is.

2.Missouri is the only state without legislation authorizing such a database.

So you people are getting your panties in a twist over something that is already law in 49 of the 50 states.
 
2014-02-14 05:43:04 PM  
What's the difference between a boner pill and a gun?
 
2014-02-14 05:46:54 PM  

fusillade762: What's the difference between a boner pill and a gun?


Those who use the former rarely need the latter.
 
2014-02-14 05:47:49 PM  

fusillade762: What's the difference between a boner pill and a gun?


Only one of them will leave you half cocked.
 
2014-02-14 06:01:07 PM  
About the CCW database:  Cole County sheriff Greg White said the new process will be simpler for applicants and make little difference to law enforcement. He noted that the county sheriffs already perform the requisite background checks and perform essentially every function except issuing the actual document authorizing the bearer to carry a concealed weapon. He said the new system does not allow anyone to compile a list of concealed-carry permit holders, though he could still search holders by name."For instance, I couldn't do an inquiry of, 'Who are all the CCW holders on the east side of Cole County," he said. "I have no way of pulling that data.

So the real comparison may in this: Will pharmacists, doctors, and law enforcement personnel be able to do blanket searches of everyone using a specific drug?, Or will they only search via a specific name?
 
2014-02-14 06:03:52 PM  

Mikey1969: I have a friend who actually does this as a part of his job. He sees a name and meds, and he looks for contraindications to make sure that people aren't being prescribed drugs that will interfere with each other, he also makes sure that people aren't doctor shopping. Nobody's privacy is invaded, and all it does is help make the system safer.


As long as the specific information is provided to begin with and not uncovered as part of a broad sweep of all users, it does sound quite similar to what pharmacists already do.
 
2014-02-14 06:09:57 PM  

factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.


#include <amendment-ix.h>
 
2014-02-14 06:11:55 PM  

Mikey1969: 2 things from TFA:

1. It covers ALL 'scripts. Subby is just trying to make shiat sound worse than it is.

2.Missouri is the only state without legislation authorizing such a database.

So you people are getting your panties in a twist over something that is already law in 49 of the 50 states.


And the War on Civil Liberties Drugs marches on.
 
2014-02-14 06:21:28 PM  
They keep my license data when I buy Advil Cold & Sinus. I almost didn't get it the other day when my sinuses hurt so bad it felt like there were cotton balls stuffed in my face because the license scanner was being wonky.  I said to the cashier, "Seriously? I am in agony, do you hear my voice? I need to go back to work and I need sinus relief."  They wouldn't sell me the one thing that fixes my sinuses because they couldn't scan my license, and I spent the rest of the day in agony.

Things like that strike me as insane.  I'm not trying to make meth with a 20-pack of sinus medication. Nobody is. I grasp limiting people from buying every box in the store at once, because that is suspect as hell, but how many people are doing that, honestly? (And I am rather easily identifiable - I have bright orange hair, i have a nose ring, my nails are usually painted multiple colors, and I have band patches on my jacket - why would I risk something when I stand out so much?)
 
2014-02-14 06:40:15 PM  

serpent_sky: I'm not trying to make meth with a 20-pack of sinus medication. Nobody is. I grasp limiting people from buying every box in the store at once, because that is suspect as hell, but how many people are doing that, honestly? (And I am rather easily identifiable - I have bright orange hair, i have a nose ring, my nails are usually painted multiple colors, and I have band patches on my jacket - why would I risk something when I stand out so much?)


I don't know you and I don't have any problem with your appearance.  That said, your description perfectly matches every person that has ever gone smurfing.  Yes, people are still doing it.
 
2014-02-14 07:12:55 PM  

serpent_sky: They keep my license data when I buy Advil Cold & Sinus. I almost didn't get it the other day when my sinuses hurt so bad it felt like there were cotton balls stuffed in my face because the license scanner was being wonky.  I said to the cashier, "Seriously? I am in agony, do you hear my voice? I need to go back to work and I need sinus relief."  They wouldn't sell me the one thing that fixes my sinuses because they couldn't scan my license, and I spent the rest of the day in agony.

Things like that strike me as insane.  I'm not trying to make meth with a 20-pack of sinus medication. Nobody is. I grasp limiting people from buying every box in the store at once, because that is suspect as hell, but how many people are doing that, honestly? (And I am rather easily identifiable - I have bright orange hair, i have a nose ring, my nails are usually painted multiple colors, and I have band patches on my jacket - why would I risk something when I stand out so much?)


The problem is that people used to go in and buy 60 boxes of Sudafed. Without a definable law, nobody has a standard to stop that from happening. Everyone claimed the stores were "being greedy" and "knew better", but the simple fact is that they were in business to sell things to customers, period.

So that's why the law went into effect.

I hate it, usually because I either run out of Sudafed or discover I'm out after 9 on, or on a Sunday, or some other time that the store is at doesn't have someone in the pharmacy. On top of that, it'd not a particularly effective law, they can synthesize other chemicals to serve in place of pseudoephedrine. That doesn't mean that I take it personally, or see it as some assault on my freedoms, it's there for a reason, and that reason isn't just to keep us 'down'.
 
2014-02-14 07:19:51 PM  

factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.


The right to privacy for medical issues is in the same place the right to carry concealed weapons is in the Constitution.

/or not
 
2014-02-14 07:30:10 PM  

serpent_sky: They keep my license data when I buy Advil Cold & Sinus. I almost didn't get it the other day when my sinuses hurt so bad it felt like there were cotton balls stuffed in my face because the license scanner was being wonky.  I said to the cashier, "Seriously? I am in agony, do you hear my voice? I need to go back to work and I need sinus relief."  They wouldn't sell me the one thing that fixes my sinuses because they couldn't scan my license, and I spent the rest of the day in agony.


Have you tried nasal irrigation with a neti pot or pump?  For me is best good relief from occasional sinus pain.  You have to use distilled or boiled water, at warm temp mixed with a packet of sinus rinse powder.
 
2014-02-14 07:38:52 PM  

serpent_sky: I almost didn't get it the other day


serpent_sky: They wouldn't sell me the one thing that fixes my sinuses because they couldn't scan my license, and I spent the rest of the day in agony.


Things that make me think your story is made up.
 
M-G
2014-02-14 07:43:59 PM  

Mikey1969: 1. It covers ALL 'scripts. Subby is just trying to make shiat sound worse than it is.


Actually, if you look at the bill text, it only covers things are controlled substances or precursors to illegal drugs.  So you're both wrong.

But it is funny to see an outstate rep saying that it's worth it if it only saves one life....
 
2014-02-14 07:57:21 PM  

M-G: Mikey1969: 1. It covers ALL 'scripts. Subby is just trying to make shiat sound worse than it is.

Actually, if you look at the bill text, it only covers things are controlled substances or precursors to illegal drugs.  So you're both wrong.

But it is funny to see an outstate rep saying that it's worth it if it only saves one life....


Regardless, Missouri is in the back of the pack on this. I'd sure be proud that something that was common sense in the rest of the country didn't exist in my state...
 
2014-02-14 08:11:51 PM  

factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.


The Supreme Court has for generations now held that the 14th Amendment guarantees a right to medical privacy as part of its due process protections. If information about lawful prescription drug purchases is held to fall within the scope of that right, then the state will have to demonstrate a "compelling" interest to justify its intrusion, and further that its statute is "narrowly tailored" to vindicate that compelling interest in the least onerous possible way.

 
2014-02-14 09:02:13 PM  
Uh... how can you have a permit without the state tracking it so they can verify that it's valid when presented?

Would that... even be a permit?
 
2014-02-14 10:34:27 PM  
standing at the counter in wal-mart the other day the clerk told a woman she was over quota for whatever it was. she kept claiming that couldn't be right she's only purchased X at that store and he told her the records were for all wal-marts.

i left but it's obvious that the records need to be county or state wide to do what is intended.
 
2014-02-14 11:03:41 PM  

Baz744: factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.

The Supreme Court has for generations now held that the 14th Amendment guarantees a right to medical privacy as part of its due process protections. If information about lawful prescription drug purchases is held to fall within the scope of that right, then the state will have to demonstrate a "compelling" interest to justify its intrusion, and further that its statute is "narrowly tailored" to vindicate that compelling interest in the least onerous possible way.


And no, medical privacy is not a fundamental right, which is why laws such as HIPPA exist.
 
2014-02-14 11:16:15 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: Have you tried nasal irrigation with a neti pot or pump?  For me is best good relief from occasional sinus pain.  You have to use distilled or boiled water, at warm temp mixed with a packet of sinus rinse powder.


I definitely recommend the neti pot with distilled water. Keeps you draining for an hour or so afterwards. But really, what you need is just a little sea salt and about 23 seconds in a microwave or so. You don't need a "sinus rinse" powder. I also take some generic guanifesin to thin the mucus out--between those two I usually don't need psuedoephedrine. But I still keep some around.
 
2014-02-14 11:21:28 PM  
Uh, is this going to help doctors transmit prescriptions to pharmacies and other medical practices that they need to work with, or is there something sinister like subby is suggesting?

//Having worked in the electronic medical record industry, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2014-02-14 11:21:37 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: serpent_sky: I almost didn't get it the other day

serpent_sky: They wouldn't sell me the one thing that fixes my sinuses because they couldn't scan my license, and I spent the rest of the day in agony.


Things that make me think your story is made up.

No, this has happened to me too. I'm in my 40s--college faculty and all that. I walk up to the pharmacist with a obvious head cold and asking for psuedoephedrine--a generic walmart 24-pack of red tabs and I have my money ready and everything. My driver's license wouldn't scan properly because it was a few days out of date. I had to get back to work and couldn't run to another store in the meantime. Had to get my wife to get some on her way home from work much later. My neti pot was at home and I was farking miserable.
 
2014-02-14 11:36:10 PM  
" The data would be considered confidential but could be provided to doctors, pharmacists, regulators and law officers who have a subpoena or court order."

Um... no.  No they can't.  Medical privacy can not be trumped by a subpoena or court order. It is absolute (except in the case of pain med doctor shopping)  See Roe v. Wade.
 
2014-02-15 12:29:46 AM  

sprgrss: Baz744: factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.

The Supreme Court has for generations now held that the 14th Amendment guarantees a right to medical privacy as part of its due process protections. If information about lawful prescription drug purchases is held to fall within the scope of that right, then the state will have to demonstrate a "compelling" interest to justify its intrusion, and further that its statute is "narrowly tailored" to vindicate that compelling interest in the least onerous possible way.

And no, medical privacy is not a fundamental right, which is why laws such as HIPPA exist.


The 14th Amendment protects medical decision making against arbitrary governmental interference; specifically and only state governmental interference at that. The 5th Amendment protects it against federal interference. This is commonly called the "right to medical privacy."

HIPAA, to the extent it protects medical information against anything at all (it's really a weak statute in application), protects it against private intrusion.

My 14th Amendment law is rusty. I can't recall what specific decisions, if any, say that the privacy of medical information falls within the right to private medical decision making. I can say that issues like "whether or not a state can gather or publish information about who obtains an abortion or who buys birth control" have almost certainly been litigated. The only reason most southern states wouldn't already have "abortion walls of shame" would be that the privacy of that medical information was held to fall within the scope of the right.

Is lawful purchase of prescription medications sufficiently like abortion procedures or contraceptives to fall within the scope of that right? I would be surprised if it didn't. Assuming it does, Missouri's proposed statute may or may not constitutionally impair that right, depending on what interests it seeks to vindicate, and how it seeks to vindicate them.
 
2014-02-15 12:44:52 AM  

factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.


You can replace "prescription meds" with literally anything, and my answer remains the same: 9th amendment.
 
2014-02-15 01:09:31 AM  
Hey, those boner pills turn me into a deadly weapon.
 
2014-02-15 03:05:42 AM  

factoryconnection: Not to go all gun-fetishist on you, but I'm not sure where possession of and use of prescription meds are enshrined in the constitution.


Life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness?

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You're waiting 6 years?  Them are some cold, cold hands you're taking them from.  ;)

Curious: i left but it's obvious that the records need to be county or state wide to do what is intended.


The next step is that you need the records to be Federal in order to keep people in places like Sioux City(spreads across Nebraska, South Dakota, and Iowa) from abusing the state level systems.

At a cost of many millions per system and the fact that addicts will simply switch to something else, generally more hazardous than prescription pill abuse, I have to ask whether the controls are worth it.  The war on drugs is a failure.  Treat addiction as a medical issue.  If they need the drugs(because otherwise they'll suck hobo dick to get *something*), give them the drugs.  Keep the lines open so that when they're ready to seek treatment it's there for them, just a step away.  For that matter, a lot of drug abuse in the country is people trying to self medicate for other problems, so if you treat those problems much of the overall problem should go away(never completely, of course).
 
2014-02-15 08:05:20 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Hey, those boner pills turn me into a deadly weapon.


You have a point. It's only a matter of time before some old dude roller blading high on boner pills crashes into a pedestrian.
 
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