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2014-02-14 09:32:12 PM  

mjjt: Oldie but a goody

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Who did Satan kill?
 
2014-02-14 09:32:31 PM  
When I was little, and my granny would call us, and we kept running around, and when we fell, she'd say "see God punishes you". When we got older, and we said God punished us, she'd say "od doesn't punish you, he forgives and loves you". Well, we came to the conclusion God is a dick. Still do, to this day.
 
2014-02-14 09:33:38 PM  

cnocnanrionnag: " God is so Holy, to present such people before him would be an insult. "

Congratulations.  The above 14 words are the most succinct explanation of everything that is wrong with religion ever written.



Remember: God loves you unconditionally. But don't go near him if you have a limp ... he finds that repulsive. But he loves you. Unless you do something wrong then it's eternal torture.

Of course he still loves you even then. He peeks in on you every 1,000,000,000 centuries or so, gives you a big smile and says "You're doing great! Only infinite more years to go!!".
 
2014-02-14 09:34:38 PM  

Trailltrader: What an amazing way of twisting God's book to "support" a non-believers position.  What an insulting backhanded way of acknowledging WHY GOD DID WHAT HE DID!

#1: Eliseus was a prophet of God.  Think on that for a moment.  His job is to represent God in physical form on this plane of existence.If Eliseus didn't kill those children then it would give the appearance that God wasn't God.


I guess it's impossible to prove you'red God without killing people.

See, its double standards like this- First he's God, then he's not God- that atheists and non-believers are hypocritical about.

#2: Turning Lots wife into salt.  Why did he do it?  Lots wife was punished by being turned into a pillar of salt for direct disobedience- she turned around, looked at the city and was killed for disobeying God.

He confused Lot's wife with Hitler, a common mistake among time travelers.

You should begin to notice the beginning of a pattern developing here....

#3: "Hating ugly people".  No, the reason why God had that law was this:  God is so Holy, to present such people before him would be an insult.

That one is still being a dick, per se.


#4: Trying to kill Moses?  Yes, God does not show favoritism- God told Moses "either circumsize your Sons or I will kill you".  Once again- disobedience!!

They'd lock anyone else who expressed such a fixation about children's genitals.

#5: Genocide?  God told the people of Israel to kill every man, woman and child of every nation they invaded- and he told them if any survived, they would "be a thorn in your side for eternity".  By disobeying God 4500 years ago you STILL have war in the middle east!  Just look at Syria!  Egypt! As a few examples!

It was white Europeans that caused the Jews the most grief.


#6: Abraham killing his own Son?  No, God wanted to test Abraham's faith- and Isaac wasn't a child at the time but actually a man around 40 years old.

An  omniscient god doesn't have to test, it already knows, and a slap in the fact to Abe.

#7:  Killing Egyptians was payback for their time as slaves, remember?

Everyone knows that killing innocent children and animals is the best way to pay back.
 
2014-02-14 09:36:50 PM  

Rivetman1.0: Mugato: Come on, who could hate her?

You asked for it, dude

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Isn't that ironic!
 
2014-02-14 09:36:51 PM  
Mark Twain wrote (paraphrasing from memory):  If a father in our day and age (ca.1900) treated his children the way God treated his, he would be thrown into prison for a very long time.
 
2014-02-14 09:46:46 PM  

JoJay: Mark Twain Rand Paul wrote (paraphrasing from memory):  If a father in our day and age (ca.1900) treated his children the way God treated his, he would be thrown into prison for a very long time.


ftfy
 
2014-02-14 09:55:22 PM  
The NT is no less dickish.Apostles killed a guy for not joining them in Acts, and begrudged some other dude for taking too long to bury family members.
Paul pretty much did away with the Law in one fell swoop because it was inconvenient.
 
2014-02-14 09:55:49 PM  
For some reading about a spiritual tradition which doesn't ask you to close your eyes to Jehovah's evil, try here.

It doesn't just acknowledge Jehovah's evil; it incorporates it into its theology. It also acknowledges biological evolution; and asks what kind of a vicious creator would subject suffering creatures to it. It wonders of doctrines like "karma" why a benevolent creator would permit such a malevolent system, which has as its primary virtue the perpetuation of evil through infinity.

Buy it. Don't buy it. It makes for interesting reading if nothing more. Dr. Hoeller is erudite, level headed, interesting, and easy to read. If you're interested in Gnosticism, I would stay away from most of the other nutjobs calling themselves Gnostics these days. Start with Dr. Hoeller.

I've also enjoyed this blog, written by someone obviously familiar with ancient scripture and its historical context.
 
2014-02-14 09:56:32 PM  
No one else thought the guy with long hair fighting a lion must be Tarzan?

New religion here folks!
 
2014-02-14 10:01:41 PM  

Baz744: mjjt: Oldie but a goody

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Who did Satan kill?


To the Google!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread602571/pg1
 
2014-02-14 10:03:35 PM  

Rivetman1.0: Mugato: Come on, who could hate her?

You asked for it, dude

[www.usmagazine.com image 850x1248]


Outside of some really freaky hair, I'm not seeing the problem.
 
2014-02-14 10:10:33 PM  

Candy Colored Clown: Candy Colored Clown: Weaver95: Meh. Pagan. Don't care.

We know.  You make sure and tell us that in practically every thread your in.  You've replaced delusions.  Have a cookie.

*You're

/slinks away


fail.
 
2014-02-14 10:13:08 PM  
no one ever tells James Bond which way to go
 
2014-02-14 10:38:58 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Trailltrader: [excuses]

This has to be the work of a Poe. No one could be this delusional.


Yes, they could.
And yes, there IS a pattern there.
Quick, what kind of person says "you will do whatever I say, no matter how strange or crazy, or I will definitely fark you up."
That's right. An asshole.
 
2014-02-14 10:42:10 PM  

impaler: Trailltrader: What an amazing way of twisting God's book to "support" a non-believers position.  What an insulting backhanded way of acknowledging WHY GOD DID WHAT HE DID!

Not sure if serious.


Your surprised that this ticked some people off?
Not sure if serious......
 
2014-02-14 10:51:03 PM  

Ishidan: Ed Grubermann: Trailltrader: [excuses]

This has to be the work of a Poe. No one could be this delusional.

Yes, they could.
And yes, there IS a pattern there.
Quick, what kind of person says "you will do whatever I say, no matter how strange or crazy, or I will definitely fark you up."
That's right. An asshole.



Jeremiah 42:6

I mean, I'd say Jehovah has Judeo-Christendom deceived, but he really hasn't tried to cover any of this crap up. Jehovah religionists worship this bastard with their eyes wide open.
 
2014-02-14 10:54:32 PM  

mjjt: Baz744: mjjt: Oldie but a goody

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Who did Satan kill?

To the Google!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread602571/pg1


Thanks, btw.
 
2014-02-14 11:04:56 PM  

SquiggsIN: genner: impaler: Trailltrader: What an amazing way of twisting God's book to "support" a non-believers position.  What an insulting backhanded way of acknowledging WHY GOD DID WHAT HE DID!

Not sure if serious.

Your surprised that this ticked some people off?
Not sure if serious......

The religious are idiots and they are holding humanity back and have been for thousands of years.  ET is laughing at our little rock while thinking about how his species was able to move past religion in a fraction of the time it will take humans to do it.  Most of you are part of the problem and I hope you drop dead before having children.


You should get rid of us then. I mean it not like things went  poorly for every country in history that's tried that.
 
2014-02-14 11:10:59 PM  

The_Philosopher_King: I'll give you this. I won't say there is no GOD.

I'll just say I don't think the picture and stories as espoused by GOD, Inc. is completely true.


That I can see.
 
2014-02-14 11:23:01 PM  

Mugato: wtf is a pagan, anyway


A term used by christians to describe non-christian religious folk

sambluesnark: I have found that it is possible to put a huge speed bump out there without getting much further along than the chapters of Genesis immediately following the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden.


I don't even get that far before the speed bump:
(NIV Genesis 3:22)
And theLord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."


/yup, God is a dick
 
2014-02-14 11:31:34 PM  
God, what a scam.
 
2014-02-15 12:08:41 AM  

Baz744: mjjt: Baz744: mjjt: Oldie but a goody

[i58.tinypic.com image 658x353]

Who did Satan kill?

To the Google!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread602571/pg1

Thanks, btw.


actually, until you asked, I hadn't thought to check the detail

10 people FFS
 
2014-02-15 12:18:43 AM  
I would be a good god.  Better than that one for sure.
 
2014-02-15 12:30:36 AM  

Brainsick: Mugato: wtf is a pagan, anyway

A term used by christians to describe non-christian religious folk

sambluesnark: I have found that it is possible to put a huge speed bump out there without getting much further along than the chapters of Genesis immediately following the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden.

I don't even get that far before the speed bump:
(NIV Genesis 3:22)
And theLord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."


/yup, God is a dick


I've thrown the "and God said let Us make man in OUR image" before but it doesn't seem to sink in. I ask who is God talking to? The usual answer is that He is talking to Himself in His Holy Trinity mode.

Also in regards to the Two trees. One is the Tree of Eternal Life, the other Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
So as you could appear to suggest, if Adam and Eve had eaten from The Tree of Life. We would be immortal gardener's for all eternity? Just not real bright.
 
2014-02-15 12:36:44 AM  

red5ish: And the LORD God commanded the man, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die."



Don't they end up living for hundreds of years longer than normal after eating from the tree? They were probably going to die from exposure come winter time, but then all that knowledge they got allowed them to figure out how to survive.
 
2014-02-15 12:50:51 AM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh.  Been done a brazilian times.  Do an article on why Allah is an asshole, and Mohammed was a warlord pedophile using excerpts from the Quran, and I  might think you are open-minded and edgy.

This.


You're some sort of moron. God is Muslim's Alah. Same guy.


Let me guess. You vote Republican? Seems like a consistent trait of ignorant morons.
 
2014-02-15 12:51:31 AM  

Silverstaff: Sorry, the god of Abraham is an evil, sadistic farker, a backwater tribal patron deity who managed to, through good PR and amazing luck, get mistaken by a couple billion people as being the only god in existence. I can't imagine anybody who reads that would WANT to worship him.


Actually, one of the main reasons early Xianity spread so quickly through the Roman Empire was the fact that there were just too many damn gods that the average citizen had to pray to, donate money to, make sacrifices to, and just generally acknowledge the existence of in a given day.  Especially considering that a lot of the numerous Emperors were being deified after they died.  The gods were just piling up too fast for people to keep up.
 
2014-02-15 12:52:10 AM  
Sampson...super-villain...filled with the spirit of god, which makes god a super-villain too:

14 And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines.
2And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife.
3Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.
4But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the Lord, that he sought an occasion against the Philistines: for at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel.
5Then went Samson down, and his father and his mother, to Timnath, and came to the vineyards of Timnath: and, behold, a young lion roared against him.
6And the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid, and he had nothing in his hand
: but he told not his father or his mother what he had done.
7And he went down, and talked with the woman; and she pleased Samson well.
8And after a time he returned to take her, and he turned aside to see the carcase of the lion: and, behold, there was a swarm of bees and honey in the carcase of the lion.
9And he took thereof in his hands, and went on eating, and came to his father and mother, and he gave them, and they did eat: but he told not them that he had taken the honey out of the carcase of the lion.
10So his father went down unto the woman: and Samson made there a feast; for so used the young men to do.
11And it came to pass, when they saw him, that they brought thirty companions to be with him.
12And Samson said unto them, I will now put forth a riddle unto you: if ye can certainly declare it me within the seven days of the feast, and find it out, then I will give you thirty sheets and thirty change of garments:
13But if ye cannot declare it me, then shall ye give me thirty sheets and thirty change of garments. And they said unto him, Put forth thy riddle, that we may hear it.
14And he said unto them, Out of the eater came forth meat, and out of the strong came forth sweetness. And they could not in three days expound the riddle.
15And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they said unto Samson's wife, Entice thy husband, that he may declare unto us the riddle, lest we burn thee and thy father's house with fire: have ye called us to take that we have? is it not so?
16And Samson's wife wept before him, and said, Thou dost but hate me, and lovest me not: thou hast put forth a riddle unto the children of my people, and hast not told it me. And he said unto her, Behold, I have not told it my father nor my mother, and shall I tell it thee?
17And she wept before him the seven days, while their feast lasted: and it came to pass on the seventh day, that he told her, because she lay sore upon him: and she told the riddle to the children of her people.
18And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? And what is stronger than a lion? and he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle.
19And the Spirit of the Lord came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house.


Also, lions are filled with bees and honey!

I never knew that.

Who's says the bible can't teach you things?
 
2014-02-15 12:54:09 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The_Philosopher_King: [img.fark.net image 500x342]

The best part about this is that he wasn't even talking about Judaism, he was talking about Greece's variant of the one-god religion (a splinter Dionysian cult, iirc, though not 100% on that).

It just happens to apply to any variant of monotheism.

// Well, any variant of monotheism that actually has any rules, I guess you could make a religion where there is a god, but he's off somewhere else and doesn't care about the religion... it'd just be kinda pointless.


They're called deists.
 
2014-02-15 12:55:53 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh.  Been done a brazilian times.  Do an article on why Allah is an asshole, and Mohammed was a warlord pedophile using excerpts from the Quran, and I  might think you are open-minded and edgy.


Umm... do you know why they refer to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as "the Abrahamic religions?

impaler: You're some sort of moron. God is Muslim's Alah. Same guy.


Ah... good.  Glad to see I wasn't the first to catch this.
 
2014-02-15 12:59:50 AM  

Unhip1: The NT is no less dickish.Apostles killed a guy for not joining them in Acts, and begrudged some other dude for taking too long to bury family members.
Paul pretty much did away with the Law in one fell swoop because it was inconvenient.


Let's not forget how God killed a man and his wife for not becoming communists.
 
2014-02-15 01:03:15 AM  

genner: impaler: Trailltrader: What an amazing way of twisting God's book to "support" a non-believers position.  What an insulting backhanded way of acknowledging WHY GOD DID WHAT HE DID!

Not sure if serious.

Your surprised that this ticked some people off?
Not sure if serious......


No, I'm not sure if serious if his lame ass apology for gods behavior is serious. Even in that apology, God still looks like a massive dick. But we're supposed to ignore that because he's the all loving God.
 
2014-02-15 01:05:09 AM  

genner: SquiggsIN: genner: impaler: Trailltrader: What an amazing way of twisting God's book to "support" a non-believers position.  What an insulting backhanded way of acknowledging WHY GOD DID WHAT HE DID!

Not sure if serious.

Your surprised that this ticked some people off?
Not sure if serious......

The religious are idiots and they are holding humanity back and have been for thousands of years.  ET is laughing at our little rock while thinking about how his species was able to move past religion in a fraction of the time it will take humans to do it.  Most of you are part of the problem and I hope you drop dead before having children.

You should get rid of us then. I mean it not like things went  poorly for every country in history that's tried that.


Hey moron, God commanded his people to do JUST THAT.

Still love your god?
 
2014-02-15 01:16:04 AM  

Itstoearly: #6: Abraham killing his own Son? No, God wanted to test Abraham's faith- and Isaac wasn't a child at the time but actually a man around 40 years old.

#7: Killing Egyptians was payback for their time as slaves, remember?

#8: Onan directly disobeyed God by not inseminating his brothers wife to carry on the bloodline. God killed him for coitus interruptus. 'Nuff said.

#9: Sampson certainly had some problems- and God certainly used him as an "Agent Provocateur"- like burning the neighbors farms with torches tied to fox's tails. Sampson also wasn't very bright- lon ...

As much as I can appreciate someone having a deeper understanding of the Bible than the morons over at io9.com, I think trying to explain it here is a fine example of "pearls before swine"



If by explain it you mean provide his own personal rationalizations (just like all other christian people), then I'd say we pretty much already understood that's what he was doing.
 
2014-02-15 01:16:53 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Well... that's the last time I'll click on a iO9 link.

Good job Fark... good job.


Why's that?

Were you made uncomfortable by someone challenging your story book?
 
2014-02-15 01:27:51 AM  
I laugh at adults living in the 21st century who still believe in that crap.

Go live in a cave you morons.
 
2014-02-15 01:41:22 AM  
If god really is god how can anything he does be regarded as wrong?

you can't level rules on a being who dictates reality by whim. God wants what god wants and does what he wants.
 
2014-02-15 01:43:23 AM  

Trailltrader: What an amazing way of twisting God's book to "support" a non-believers position.  What an insulting backhanded way of acknowledging WHY GOD DID WHAT HE DID!

#1: Eliseus was a prophet of God.  Think on that for a moment.  His job is to represent God in physical form on this plane of existence.If Eliseus didn't kill those children then it would give the appearance that God wasn't God.

See, its double standards like this- First he's God, then he's not God- that atheists and non-believers are hypocritical about.

#2: Turning Lots wife into salt.  Why did he do it?  Lots wife was punished by being turned into a pillar of salt for direct disobedience- she turned around, looked at the city and was killed for disobeying God.

You should begin to notice the beginning of a pattern developing here....

#3: "Hating ugly people".  No, the reason why God had that law was this:  God is so Holy, to present such people before him would be an insult.

#4: Trying to kill Moses?  Yes, God does not show favoritism- God told Moses "either circumsize your Sons or I will kill you".  Once again- disobedience!!

#5: Genocide?  God told the people of Israel to kill every man, woman and child of every nation they invaded- and he told them if any survived, they would "be a thorn in your side for eternity".  By disobeying God 4500 years ago you STILL have war in the middle east!  Just look at Syria!  Egypt! As a few examples!

#6: Abraham killing his own Son?  No, God wanted to test Abraham's faith- and Isaac wasn't a child at the time but actually a man around 40 years old.

#7:  Killing Egyptians was payback for their time as slaves, remember?

#8:  Onan directly disobeyed God by not inseminating his brothers wife to carry on the bloodline.  God killed him for coitus interruptus.  'Nuff said.

#9:  Sampson certainly had some problems- and God certainly used him as an "Agent Provocateur"- like burning the neighbors farms with torches tied to fox's tails.  Sampson also wasn't very bright- longer his hair, more powerful he became.

In the end, Sampson had lost his sight, his strength had come back, and his last living request was to suicide- and he did it by pulling down the support beams of the temple he was tied up in.  He killed 3,000 philistines and whats really cool?  They found this temple about 20 years ago complete with the bodies under the rubble exactly how the bible had described it.

#10: Now, why do you think God intentionally crippled Jacob in a wrestling match for life?  If you read how Jacob was a thief, a con artist, what you're really seeing is God intentionally crippling a life long bad guy so he couldn't be a bad guy anymore- what you're reading about is God's justice!!

Think on that.  Now compare that to our current legal system

You can study the last two on your own.

 

Oh dear.

1. God isn't real you mouth-breathing reprobate.

2. God is supposed to have killed a woman for glancing around. There is no, "I told you not to" that would make that acceptable to moral people.

3. Riiiight. "I love everyone! Ew, what's wrong with your face (that I'm supposed to have crafted)? Gross, fark off!"

4. Slavery and murder. Pretty much what one would expect of some of the most vile people on Earth. And their simplistic and corrupt religion.

5. fark's sake, you are actually saying "See? We were right about committing atrocities, the final solution!" Do you really have so little grasp of irony?

6. Well that man should have cracked his dad's skull open with a rock because the insane old cooter was a danger to everyone around him. Spreading falsehood with his lying jackal's tongue.

7. Shouldn't black people be lining up around the block to kill like 40% of white Americans then?

8. fark off, each of us is in charge of our own genitals. Not your imaginary friend.

9. Good grief, magic is not real. Do your handlers know you're loose?

10. Ohhhhhh, so God was busy letting the Jews rape and murder children but he had to get busy quick-like to deal with that "bad guy con artist".

Your beliefs are evil. You are evil. You and every other xtian are chickenhawks attempting to spread ignorance and misery and all of you deserve to be driven into the sea. You disgusting, stupid, frequently child-molesting monsters.

I can't believe we as a society haven't just started burning you people at the stake.
 
2014-02-15 01:53:16 AM  

TOSViolation: The stupid thing is that the author of that stupid webpage is thinking like an idiot human.

When God kills a righteous person, he's just inviting them into his home.  That's it.  It's no tragedy.  Many of you are just too stupid to realize that this pathetic life you cling to is meaningless in the grand scheme of existence.


The evil that is the fictional Yhwh wouldn't even be worth meeting for coffee.
 
2014-02-15 02:42:21 AM  

Z-clipped: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh.  Been done a brazilian times.  Do an article on why Allah is an asshole, and Mohammed was a warlord pedophile using excerpts from the Quran, and I  might think you are open-minded and edgy.

Umm... do you know why they refer to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as "the Abrahamic religions?


I don't know why they invented a new word to group the religions, it's much easier to just classify Christianity and Islam as sects of Judaism (along with Samaritanism, and a handful of other religions).
 
Esn
2014-02-15 03:18:52 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: [img.fark.net image 500x342]


Perhaps God believes that it is a greater evil to take free will away from humans for the purpose of removing evil from the world than it would be to let that evil remain in place.

Free will is also what allows humans to PERCEIVE evil. If everything is preordained, then words like "good" and "evil" lose all meaning in the first place.
 
2014-02-15 04:08:27 AM  

Esn: The_Philosopher_King: [img.fark.net image 500x342]

Perhaps God believes that it is a greater evil to take free will away from humans for the purpose of removing evil from the world than it would be to let that evil remain in place.

Free will is also what allows humans to PERCEIVE evil. If everything is preordained, then words like "good" and "evil" lose all meaning in the first place.


So, if it is true that God wants us to have free will, why do his most vocal adherents constantly strive to deny individuals their right to free will through government action? Are they not interfering with God's will when they do so? How can God truly judge us, if his church denies its members the opportunity to exercise their individual free will by empowering the government to deny it through "anti-sin" legislation?
 
2014-02-15 04:18:19 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Esn: The_Philosopher_King: [img.fark.net image 500x342]

Perhaps God believes that it is a greater evil to take free will away from humans for the purpose of removing evil from the world than it would be to let that evil remain in place.

Free will is also what allows humans to PERCEIVE evil. If everything is preordained, then words like "good" and "evil" lose all meaning in the first place.

So, if it is true that God wants us to have free will, why do his most vocal adherents constantly strive to deny individuals their right to free will through government action? Are they not interfering with God's will when they do so? How can God truly judge us, if his church denies its members the opportunity to exercise their individual free will by empowering the government to deny it through "anti-sin" legislation?


As a follow up, it would seem that certain memberships of His church are attempting to reduce the temptations they face and their own free will choices, as well as everyone else's choices, so as to ease their path to salvation.
 
2014-02-15 06:44:27 AM  
God needs a good swift kick to the crotch.
 
2014-02-15 07:14:36 AM  

lindalouwho: cyberspacedout: lindalouwho: *on mobile...sorry, don't know how or if it's possible to bold your names.

Ya gotta use HTML. As a shortcut, if you type in the deprecated b or i tags, Fark automatically converts them to strong or em.

Thanks, I'll see if I can manage it lol.

I haven't been able to find the sideways v on my lame keyboard. Like the dollar sign, among others. Have accidently gotten other "hidden" symbols but don't know how. If I fail with your tips I still know some people from a gig at CMU I'll go see. Can learn to post pics too instead of being frustrated.

but some may call the "sideways v's" the greater than, or lesser than symbols.

 
Esn
2014-02-15 08:46:37 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ow! That was my feelings!: Esn: The_Philosopher_King: [img.fark.net image 500x342]

Perhaps God believes that it is a greater evil to take free will away from humans for the purpose of removing evil from the world than it would be to let that evil remain in place.

Free will is also what allows humans to PERCEIVE evil. If everything is preordained, then words like "good" and "evil" lose all meaning in the first place.

So, if it is true that God wants us to have free will, why do his most vocal adherents constantly strive to deny individuals their right to free will through government action? Are they not interfering with God's will when they do so? How can God truly judge us, if his church denies its members the opportunity to exercise their individual free will by empowering the government to deny it through "anti-sin" legislation?

As a follow up, it would seem that certain memberships of His church are attempting to reduce the temptations they face and their own free will choices, as well as everyone else's choices, so as to ease their path to salvation.


Yes, and that is for the best. God giveth us free will. If men should try to give other men more free will, they would be trying to be God, which is a sin. You can surely see this.
 
2014-02-15 09:09:15 AM  
This world is divided into those who believe and those who don't, and I doubt conversations like these are going to sway too many minds to chance course. Faith is many things, but "easy" is not one of them, and why should it be?

For every glib description here of a Biblical passage showing God's "mean side" (and I could cite dozens like these), there are literally centuries of Jewish and Ecumenical discourses explaining, dissecting, and analyzing these passages. Anyone curious can find a lifetime's worth of writings on these subjects. 109's contribution isn't the last word, nor even the most derisive.

But to add only my 2 cents to one paragraph, in #12, God himself poses the rhetorical question, "Do you understand just how powerful I am and what I'm up to?", to which Job, once he's allowed to speak to God directly (apparently an extremely clarifying moment), says, "I should shut up now, I had no idea what I was talking about"- somewhat different than the discussion the author summarizes. (As an aside, I have always drawn from these famous verses a profound message- the closer one draws to God, the more difficult life can be; the more difficult life can be, the closer it can bring you to God.)

I urge anyone with even the slightest interest to not take any of this at face value, but to open a version (preferably a modern day translation) of these stories and READ THEM YOURSELVES!!! You might come away with surprising insight into why this collection of messages is inarguably the single greatest influence on Western Civilization in the last 3500 years.

 / I know, I know...flame retardant suit on
 
2014-02-15 09:22:42 AM  

BenJammin: God told Moses "either circumsize your Sons or I will kill you".  Once again- disobedience!!


So you're saying God gave men foreskin because he's an asshole.
 
2014-02-15 09:24:30 AM  
22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.

24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.

27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.

28 And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.

29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
Judges 19
 
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