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(Talking Points Memo)   Idaho GOP decides to get a piece of the news cycle from Missouri, approves a measure lowering the big-game hunting age in the state to 10   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 105
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2014-02-14 09:50:46 PM  
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Not impressed...
 
2014-02-14 09:53:16 PM  

JAYoung: Better a sober 10-year-old than a drunk TEAbagger spraying .223 rounds.


What about a drunk 10-year-old?
 
2014-02-14 10:06:57 PM  
Clutch those pearls much, subby?
 
2014-02-14 10:16:05 PM  
Lets see. Went on my first deer hunt @ 8 . Antelope @ 9 . In Idaho. Of course, if I had shot anything, my dad would have used his tag on it. I know, its not the 70s anymore, but I fail to see why this is dumbass. The only questions I got wrong on the hunters'safety course were about archery / bowhunting.
One thing I am grateful for the hateful abusive bastard that was my dad was him teaching me firearms safety when I was rather young.
 
2014-02-14 10:17:17 PM  
Meh... I think a couple states have it at 8.

No biggie.
 
2014-02-14 10:18:02 PM  
I don't consider 10 year old humans big game.  They have to be at least 15.
 
2014-02-14 10:29:33 PM  

DeltaPunch: Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.

Now that you mention it... do women hunt? I'm asking because I've honestly never met a wonam who hunts.


My mom...D1vwife...my daughter...3 sister in laws... several nieces...

Regional thing maybe?
 
2014-02-14 10:35:38 PM  
http://magicvalley.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/lower-hunting-age - bill-passes-committee/article_bcc80794-9541-11e3-94f8-001a4bcf887a.htm l

Here's the actual article this is ripped from; there's a lot more detail.  I don't really see the problem but then again I don't live in Idaho and don't hunt.  I'm guessing that whoever submitted this is either anti-gun, anti-hunting or of the school of thought that kids should be kept away from everything dangerous forever until they are 18 which tends not to work so well in real life.
 
2014-02-14 10:42:55 PM  
So, fun-sized snacks for Grizzlies?
 
2014-02-14 11:34:30 PM  
Isn't this is more about trying to get kids to want to hunt as hunting is losing popularity and fees collected are going down.
 
2014-02-15 12:13:15 AM  
I have no idea what age I was the first time I killed a deer, but I was young. This isn't really a big deal.
 
2014-02-15 01:34:41 AM  
I think it's high time we elect guns into office. Is there nothing they can't do? You can't have dynamite though. The constitution is all specific about physics n' shiat. Founders physics!
 
2014-02-15 01:59:45 AM  

Bontesla: fusillade762: If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?

This is the part I think a lot of people are glossing over.


Not alone. The adult with them is more than just part of the entourage.
 
2014-02-15 02:14:25 AM  
Dad ended up using his turkey tag on my little brother's kill as he was technically a year too young.  He was state archery champ that year for his category, dad gave him first shot (with a blunt, breaks the bird's neck if you're successful, no harm done if not), he didn't miss.  Best turkey we ever had.

I'm fine with minors hunting, even having permits as long as it also requires adult supervision.  The parents can decide when the kid can adequately handle a weapon of sufficient power to ethically take game.

I'll note that if the animal is only wounded, dad can 'finish' it if necessary in most jurisdictions and still have it be credited to the kid.
 
2014-02-15 02:14:35 AM  

Mikey1969: Bontesla: fusillade762: If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?

This is the part I think a lot of people are glossing over.

Not alone. The adult with them is more than just part of the entourage.


See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...
 
2014-02-15 02:17:19 AM  

Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...


Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.
 
2014-02-15 02:24:09 AM  

dennysgod: As a pot smoking hippie, gay-rights loving, obamacare supporting, science is the only truth, liberal I'd like to say

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I've probably have more kills then most of the gun nuts on Fark as well because dammit, natural selection made some really tasty animals.


Yeah, I'm a hippy, doob guy who would never own a gun... but if you own a gun and have kids, this is a good way to teach them how to own them the right way.

They're still going to follow your bullshiat religion and kill somebody, but not because they don't know how to properly handle a gun.
 
2014-02-15 02:29:48 AM  

Firethorn: Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...

Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier

(Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range
(You don't know what their diet is)
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops) (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking (Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout :)
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.(Agreed)

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?
 
2014-02-15 02:38:07 AM  

TheOther: Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal, This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.
-Oedipus Rand Paul


I like it better this way for so many reasons.
 
2014-02-15 03:22:47 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Firethorn: Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...

Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier (Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range (You don't know what their diet is)
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops) (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking (Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout :)
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.(Agreed)

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?


What do you care, pearl clutcher? I know a lot of hunters, none of them do so for subsistence, but all of them fill their freezers. What argument could you possibly have that factory processed grocery meat is superior?
 
2014-02-15 03:50:40 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Firethorn: Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...

Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier (Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range (You don't know what their diet is)
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops) (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking (Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout :)
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.(Agreed)

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?


Some families count on the meat, 1/4 billion lbs of free range, organic, antibiotic-free white tail meat alone hits the dinner tables in the US every year. It doesn't really matter what socioeconomic group the hunters come from since we as human have upset the balance and have to manage the game anyway.
 
2014-02-15 03:51:44 AM  

Fista-Phobia: (well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)


a lot of hunting rifles are handed down.

Fista-Phobia: (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)


yup. It's called "wildlife management".
 
2014-02-15 03:53:38 AM  

Fista-Phobia: (Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)


missed this one...

you don't shoot "big game" with buckshot, birdshot, or any kind of shot.
 
2014-02-15 04:00:10 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)


Very unlikely if you're hunting with a rifle.  ;)

I'd actually worry more about game birds taken with small gauge birdshot, rifle rounds either completely penetrate or at least fragment along a narrow path(which you dispose of anyways).  Buckshot pellets are big enough to see easily.

You don't know what their diet is

The turkey we ate(post above yours)?  We know precisely what it was eating, which is why the farmer invited us out there(his crops).  Well, that and stuff we might not like to think about(like bugs; that's part of what makes true free-range chickens and their eggs taste so good).  For a deer?  Normally normal deer stuff, but it's not like it's being fed ground up relatives in artificial feed.

So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?

Arguably we're as natural as any other animal, so it's just a different sort of natural selection.  Short of doing some genetic engineering, whether via traditional husbandry or higher tech solutions, our only other option is to reintroduce the natural predators, which is often unacceptable because said predators can consider humans valid prey.  Game management, in short.

Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout

They still have to hike to the tree/blind, after having hiked enough to pick the proper tree/blind spot.  I've also never tree-hunted.

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?

Normal people looking to save money, continue a tradition, or such for the most part.  On the low end it's a major staple for some of my poorer relatives, Social Security in my grandparent's case, not SNAP.  None of them are so much 'off the grid' as just 'loosely connected'.  ;)
 
2014-02-15 05:04:44 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Mikey1969: Bontesla: fusillade762: If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?

This is the part I think a lot of people are glossing over.

Not alone. The adult with them is more than just part of the entourage.

See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...


Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet. Mounting the trophy is pride, but the meat came first. It's leaner, you end up with hundreds of pounds, the cost works out to be a third or half, you get to do what YOU want with the meat(my adoptive parents would butcher tnheir own, keeping the best steaks and roasts and sending the rest in to become hamburger, with a small amount becoming salami and pepperoni, it's better for you, and some people feel it's more human than the overcrowded shirt box how as a dairy farm.

And many people DO need the meat, it's not optional, it's how their families eat. As an added bonus, my parents got the hides tanned for a future unknown use.

So yeah, it's sustenance hunting even IF grocery stores are available. Besides, hunting is how the herd sizes are maintained. You already complain when they wander into your yard and eat your azaleas, you want them dying of starvation in your driveway, too?
 
2014-02-15 05:14:20 AM  

Mikey1969: Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet.


I enjoy meeting other hunters too.
 
2014-02-15 05:28:38 AM  
You know what? Meh, whatever. As long as they don't shoot some innocent bystander (then they should be tried as adults) i say go right ahead. If they shoot themselves, darwin will be pleased.
 
2014-02-15 05:33:51 AM  

log_jammin: Mikey1969: Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet.

I enjoy meeting other hunters too.


Do you also enjoy meating the other hunters as well?
 
2014-02-15 06:02:48 AM  
Frankly, teaching children that young to fire guns is child abuse.
 
2014-02-15 06:15:53 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Haven't read the bill in question, but I hope that parental supervision is still required.  Even with proper training from an adult, if things go south, I'd bet that most 10 year olds would freeze up or panic, at least a bit.


It's generally considered  a bad idea to go hunting without adult supervision, even as an adult. If you get hurt, you need an adult who can handle the emergency. Same goes if your buddy gets hurt, you better be able to save both of your asses.

Also, in louisiana, when I was growing up, the absolute youngest you could legally hunt without supervision was sixteen years old. However, few people are dumb enough to go hunting by themselves.
 
2014-02-15 06:38:59 AM  

Smoking GNU: Do you also enjoy meating the other hunters as well?


of course
 
2014-02-15 06:40:29 AM  

Herr_Teacher: Frankly, teaching children that young to fire guns is child abuse.


3/10

I would have went higher had there been more activity in the thread.
 
2014-02-15 08:25:53 AM  
I have no problem with this. A certain, small percentage of the children of people who should not have been allowed to breed will die unnecessarily, but ultimately, that redounds to the public good. Loosening restrictions on gun ownership just means more dead morons. Of course, it means more dead innocent people but the population is too high anyway and statistically the self-culling by people stupid enough to let children handle guns will outrun the effects of the occasional school massacre.

"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Gun."
 
2014-02-15 08:39:55 AM  

log_jammin: Mikey1969: Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet.

I enjoy meeting other hunters too.


Gotta love autocorrect when it manages to create an actual workable sentence. Saw a great one earlier this week, truly a classic one, and have totally forgotten what it was...
 
2014-02-15 09:10:56 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't know what the appropriate age is, but I don't have a problem with kids hunting with adult supervision. TFA says 10-year-olds can already hunt small game with adult supervision. I'd mostly be worried about the kids handling the recoil on the bigger guns.


I do, because the adults are all wrapped up in this "gonna make you a MAN, boy" macho bullshiat.  Dumb idea.  Period.
 
2014-02-15 09:15:36 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: What argument could you possibly have that factory processed grocery meat is superior?


It's not a great argument but...

You probably didn't accidentally shoot anyone getting meat from the store.
 
2014-02-15 09:21:15 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.


Haven't we evolved, as a society, beyond such barbaric "family traditions"?
 
2014-02-15 09:38:53 AM  
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/If you don't want your kids to learn how to hunt, don't teach em how to hunt. 
/Give em the finest non-education you think will help.
 
2014-02-15 09:54:56 AM  

GoldSpider: Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.

Haven't we evolved, as a society, beyond such barbaric "family traditions"?


If you aren't a vegan, shut the fark up...

Vegetarian myself, don't give a rats ass about responsible hunting..
Certain species like white tailed deer and many kinds of geese have to be hinted, or the impact on the environment is worse
 
2014-02-15 10:02:50 AM  

clambam: I have no problem with this. A certain, small percentage of the children of people who should not have been allowed to breed will die unnecessarily, but ultimately, that redounds to the public good. Loosening restrictions on gun ownership just means more dead morons. Of course, it means more dead innocent people but the population is too high anyway and statistically the self-culling by people stupid enough to let children handle guns will outrun the effects of the occasional school massacre.

"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Gun."


Swap 'drugs' for 'guns' in that statement and you pretty much have a case for legalization.  Still, people prefer shooting things to feeling good, so shotguns outvote cannabis every time.
 
2014-02-15 10:31:58 AM  

dforkus: Certain species like white tailed deer and many kinds of geese have to be hinted, or the impact on the environment is worse


This! We killed most of their natural predators. We farked up, so we have to correct it.

The good news is that they're so tasty. My boss brought in some deer jerky a few weeks ago. MOTHERAFRAGGIN YUM.

And now you people make me want a deep freezer.

/jerky
//jerky-jerky
 
2014-02-15 10:40:31 AM  
What's the matter subby? Your puny little libtard mind can't wrap around the fact that there are actually responsible gun owner parents? Is it also too small and narrow to believe that we should teach children that food doesn't magically appear in plastic wrap at the supermarket?
 
2014-02-15 11:24:07 AM  

dennysgod: As a pot smoking hippie, gay-rights loving, obamacare supporting, science is the only truth, liberal I'd like to say




I've probably have more kills then most of the gun nuts on Fark as well because dammit, natural selection made some really tasty animals.


All of this.

Why does anyone have a problem with this?
 
2014-02-15 11:24:20 AM  
10 is sort of old. I'm starting my kid at 3.
 
2014-02-15 12:38:16 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: 10 is sort of old. I'm starting my kid at 3.


Headed out B'ar Hunting?
 
2014-02-15 12:41:32 PM  

fusillade762: What could possibly go wrong?


Animal right activist and armchair biologist getting irate?   Generally around here, we consider that to be a good thing.
 
2014-02-15 01:15:58 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: A 10 year old with a 12 gauge shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong?


Kids in the northwest aren't raised to be pu&&ies like a rest of the country.
 
2014-02-15 01:54:58 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-15 03:23:06 PM  

RockofAges: Children at the age of 10 literally piledrive each other because "they saw it on wrestling". I should know, because I was one of those kids.

You're going to hand them an extremely lethal weapon (an instrument that can kill someone accidentally in the blink of an eye), tell them to go out in the woods with "dear old dad" (drunk or not), and share the woods with other adult hunters?

I have to be honest, if I knew children were going to be carrying firearms in the woods around me, I would probably think twice about hunting that day. To take the Hunter Education Course (along with the required Firearms Licensing courses / papers) you have to be 14 in Nova Scotia (small game). We don't have the gun-culture that the United States does, and I think that's a big difference. Here, guns aren't really fetishized at all, most people do not own or carry them. Probably 2 million licensed gun owners and 4 million black market owners (total).

Guns are taken very seriously here, as they should be. The carefree American attitude towards guns is something that IMO has lead to an immense amount of irresponsible death. As far as hunting goes, I personally think 14 is a good age to think about supervised hunting. 10? That's ridiculous. 10 year olds do not possess the intellectual or emotional maturity to be trusted with lethal force.


Children the age of 8 can literally learn to be respectful of firearms and to use them safely because they took a Hunter Education Course and because they learned it from "dear old dad".  I should know, because I was one of those kids.
 
2014-02-15 03:35:50 PM  
All I want to know is why my three year old can't carry a bazooka in preschool.

Farking Nazis suppressing HIS RIGHTS

HIS RIGHTS

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