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(Talking Points Memo)   Idaho GOP decides to get a piece of the news cycle from Missouri, approves a measure lowering the big-game hunting age in the state to 10   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 105
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2014-02-14 01:29:54 PM  
A 10 year old with a 12 gauge shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-02-14 01:46:17 PM  
I grew up in rural Georgia. I think I was 7 or 8 the first time I went deer hunting.
 
2014-02-14 01:49:34 PM  
I don't know what the appropriate age is, but I don't have a problem with kids hunting with adult supervision. TFA says 10-year-olds can already hunt small game with adult supervision. I'd mostly be worried about the kids handling the recoil on the bigger guns.
 
2014-02-14 02:01:21 PM  
I was hunting big game at the age of 7-8 anyway.  Me and my trusty PS/2 mouse could wipe out half of the bison from Missouri to Oregon in 20 minutes or less!  XD
 
2014-02-14 02:20:55 PM  
I think it's more about the opportunity to win those precious permits for big game. I was hunting deer and elk at age 13 in Arizona. Once my sister and I turned 13, we tripled our family's chances for being drawn for deer and elk permits. I bagged both of them my first year and we filled the freezer, the deep freeze, and ended up giving a lot of meat away. That was a long time ago. I think the legal age in Arizona now is also 10.
 
2014-02-14 04:06:51 PM  
Yeah I'm OK with this, too.  I was 10 when I started hunting with a shotgun and bow.
 
2014-02-14 04:13:38 PM  
Haven't read the bill in question, but I hope that parental supervision is still required.  Even with proper training from an adult, if things go south, I'd bet that most 10 year olds would freeze up or panic, at least a bit.
 
2014-02-14 04:13:43 PM  
On a scale 1-10 on Idaho is still lagging far behind Missouri.

This is a 2, maybe a 3 tops.

Missouri has broken the meter and pushed it to 11.
 
2014-02-14 04:25:05 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Haven't read the bill in question, but I hope that parental supervision is still required.  Even with proper training from an adult, if things go south, I'd bet that most 10 year olds would freeze up or panic, at least a bit.


Yeah, I don't recall when I was allowed to go hunting alone.

I did have to go a gun class and I have to say it was pretty solid.
 
2014-02-14 05:00:08 PM  
I went pheasant hunting (20ga) when I was 8. Before that my Dad and Uncle had been teaching me to shoot since I was 6. Hunter's education class when I was 10, and first deer at 12. All of this happened many, many moons ago, so I might be off a year here or there...

I don't have an issue with kids hunting as long as there is adult supervision...the lessons learned are generally more than how to shoot.
 
2014-02-14 05:29:02 PM  
Hell, 9 and 10 year olds who bag deer get their pics in the local paper if they send it in.

Nothing to see here.
 
2014-02-14 05:36:04 PM  
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No, really. I'm okay with this. Let the little monsters run wild.
 
2014-02-14 05:47:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x200]

No, really. I'm okay with this. Let the little monsters run wild.


0/10
 
2014-02-14 05:52:42 PM  
If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-02-14 05:57:35 PM  

The_Sponge: Because People in power are Stupid: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x200]

No, really. I'm okay with this. Let the little monsters run wild.

0/10


That's your response? No witty banter. No incredulity?

1/10
 
2014-02-14 05:58:32 PM  
I'm OK with this.
 
2014-02-14 06:00:32 PM  
This is actually pretty much fine with me, as long as adult supervision is still required.

Kids have gone hunting with their parents since before recorded history, and we at least have the benefit of easier game and better weapons.
 
2014-02-14 06:02:11 PM  
Yeah, much ado over nothing. I think you could hunt deer at 12 when I was a kid there, as long as you completed hunter safety and had adult supervision.

Once more, people need to unbunch the panties.
 
2014-02-14 06:03:34 PM  
This isn't really a big deal. The kids that will apply for tags are likely already hunting without them anyway.
 
2014-02-14 06:07:18 PM  
Lower it to 5. Supervision optional.

Stave off Idiocracy.
 
2014-02-14 06:11:59 PM  

The_Sponge: Because People in power are Stupid: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x200]

No, really. I'm okay with this. Let the little monsters run wild.

0/10


You must have ranked your own non-response, Sponge.

I'm okay with this too, thin out the weak links in the gene pool.
 
2014-02-14 06:17:39 PM  

fusillade762: If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?


This is the part I think a lot of people are glossing over.
 
2014-02-14 06:22:30 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I grew up in rural Georgia. I think I was 7 or 8 the first time I went deer hunting.


Oregon Coast here by ten I was romping county roads with a friend and 22s. But guns scury and all must remember!
 
2014-02-14 06:23:55 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: The_Sponge: Because People in power are Stupid: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x200]

No, really. I'm okay with this. Let the little monsters run wild.

0/10

That's your response? No witty banter. No incredulity?

1/10



A lame post with a kid holding a handgun to her head has nothing to do with kids hunting with adult supervision, so my brief response was appropriate.
 
2014-02-14 06:28:32 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: A 10 year old with a 12 gauge shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong?


I was deer hunting w a 12 guage at 8.
Got my first gun for xmas at 10. Peepaw's 20 guage single shot. Gave it to my nephew when he was 10. He'llgive it to his son one day.
 
2014-02-14 06:29:52 PM  
I think I was 6-7 the first time i went deer hunting in OKlahoma, so meh.
 
2014-02-14 06:35:32 PM  
Big whoop.
 
2014-02-14 06:43:57 PM  
Learning to kill is a part of every child's development.
 
2014-02-14 06:49:09 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: A 10 year old with a 12 gauge shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong?


Because it's Idaho assuming its elk, bear or bison and you don't go after any of those with a 12 gauge.....
 
2014-02-14 07:04:38 PM  
As a pot smoking hippie, gay-rights loving, obamacare supporting, science is the only truth, liberal I'd like to say

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I've probably have more kills then most of the gun nuts on Fark as well because dammit, natural selection made some really tasty animals.
 
2014-02-14 07:09:27 PM  
Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.
 
2014-02-14 07:12:25 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I grew up in rural Georgia. I think I was 7 or 8 the first time I went deer hunting.


Rural Washington.  Was packing a 30-30 through the woods hunting deer with my dad when I was 8.

What's the big deal here?
 
2014-02-14 07:29:52 PM  

dennysgod: As a pot smoking hippie, gay-rights loving, obamacare supporting, science is the only truth, liberal I'd like to say

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I've probably have more kills then most of the gun nuts on Fark as well because dammit, natural selection made some really tasty animals.


So. Much. This. I'm pretty much the personification of "long-haired-hippie-type-pinko-commie-librul" and I don't see a problem.

/started deer and elk hunting in the rural PNW at age 8 with grandpa's hand-me-down Model 1898 30-40 Krag
 
2014-02-14 07:34:50 PM  
Just wait until some kid decides go on a big game spree in Boise frightening dozens.
 
2014-02-14 07:36:30 PM  
Borderline gun-grabber here, but I grew up in Idaho. Guns and hunting are an essential part of the social fabric there. We had to take a mandatory gun safety class in 7th grade. I had a .22, and one of my first jobs was at a trap and skeet club (which is where I personally lost my affection for guns - too many surly drunk assholes with 12-gauges acting tough for my taste). I don't have any problem with this, and frankly I'm a little bit surprised to learn that this wasn't already allowed.

However, I do oppose children being permitted to get drunk and shoot up highway signs. The minimum age for that in Idaho has always been fifteen, and I would strongly object to any measure that lowers it.
 
2014-02-14 07:45:08 PM  

Saiga410: Just wait until some kid decides go on a big game spree in Boise frightening dozens.


You're a farking riot.
 
2014-02-14 07:50:16 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: A 10 year old with a 12 gauge shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong?


Probably the same things that would go wrong with an adult dumb enough to hunt big game with a shotgun, I'd imagine.
 
2014-02-14 07:59:52 PM  
Liberal as shiat and I think guns are generally farking retarded, but I shot a deer with a 30/30 at 11 in hillbilly upstate new york so it's not like it's that strange.

If anything though, making your kids hunt should be some kind of child cruelty by boredom charge.
 
2014-02-14 08:16:29 PM  
Big game?  They got lions and rhinos in farking Missouri?
 
2014-02-14 08:18:15 PM  
Better a sober 10-year-old than a drunk TEAbagger spraying .223 rounds.
 
2014-02-14 08:19:46 PM  
Did I miss the part in the article where it mentioned whether children will be required to have adult supervision while packing heat?
 
2014-02-14 08:23:03 PM  
I killed my first deer when I was ten. It was delicious.

/shrug
 
2014-02-14 08:49:11 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.


Now that you mention it... do women hunt? I'm asking because I've honestly never met a wonam who hunts.
 
2014-02-14 08:56:10 PM  
DeltaPunch

Now that you mention it... do women hunt? I'm asking because I've honestly never met a wonam who hunts.

Yes, women hunt. I know several.
 
2014-02-14 08:56:55 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal, This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.

-Oedipus
 
2014-02-14 09:13:49 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Grand_Moff_Joseph: A 10 year old with a 12 gauge shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong?

Probably the same things that would go wrong with an adult dumb enough to hunt big game with a shotgun, I'd imagine.


What the fark are you taking about, a 12 gauge slug can take down a polar bear...
 
2014-02-14 09:19:06 PM  
Get 'em trained early, so when ya'll finally take on the guv'mint, little Jimmy can cover you while you run in Walmart for more ammo.

YEE-HAW!!!
 
2014-02-14 09:20:12 PM  
I don't see a problem with this at all. They'll have an adult with them anyway.
 
2014-02-14 09:28:08 PM  
So the kid gets to respect nature and weapons while also learning weapon and survival skills?

Sounds horrible.
 
2014-02-14 09:31:43 PM  
Meh. Though a 10 year old with a shotgun vs. a mountain lion could end up being spectacular.
 
2014-02-14 09:50:46 PM  
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Not impressed...
 
2014-02-14 09:53:16 PM  

JAYoung: Better a sober 10-year-old than a drunk TEAbagger spraying .223 rounds.


What about a drunk 10-year-old?
 
2014-02-14 10:06:57 PM  
Clutch those pearls much, subby?
 
2014-02-14 10:16:05 PM  
Lets see. Went on my first deer hunt @ 8 . Antelope @ 9 . In Idaho. Of course, if I had shot anything, my dad would have used his tag on it. I know, its not the 70s anymore, but I fail to see why this is dumbass. The only questions I got wrong on the hunters'safety course were about archery / bowhunting.
One thing I am grateful for the hateful abusive bastard that was my dad was him teaching me firearms safety when I was rather young.
 
2014-02-14 10:17:17 PM  
Meh... I think a couple states have it at 8.

No biggie.
 
2014-02-14 10:18:02 PM  
I don't consider 10 year old humans big game.  They have to be at least 15.
 
2014-02-14 10:29:33 PM  

DeltaPunch: Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.

Now that you mention it... do women hunt? I'm asking because I've honestly never met a wonam who hunts.


My mom...D1vwife...my daughter...3 sister in laws... several nieces...

Regional thing maybe?
 
2014-02-14 10:35:38 PM  
http://magicvalley.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/lower-hunting-age - bill-passes-committee/article_bcc80794-9541-11e3-94f8-001a4bcf887a.htm l

Here's the actual article this is ripped from; there's a lot more detail.  I don't really see the problem but then again I don't live in Idaho and don't hunt.  I'm guessing that whoever submitted this is either anti-gun, anti-hunting or of the school of thought that kids should be kept away from everything dangerous forever until they are 18 which tends not to work so well in real life.
 
2014-02-14 10:42:55 PM  
So, fun-sized snacks for Grizzlies?
 
2014-02-14 11:34:30 PM  
Isn't this is more about trying to get kids to want to hunt as hunting is losing popularity and fees collected are going down.
 
2014-02-15 12:13:15 AM  
I have no idea what age I was the first time I killed a deer, but I was young. This isn't really a big deal.
 
2014-02-15 01:34:41 AM  
I think it's high time we elect guns into office. Is there nothing they can't do? You can't have dynamite though. The constitution is all specific about physics n' shiat. Founders physics!
 
2014-02-15 01:59:45 AM  

Bontesla: fusillade762: If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?

This is the part I think a lot of people are glossing over.


Not alone. The adult with them is more than just part of the entourage.
 
2014-02-15 02:14:25 AM  
Dad ended up using his turkey tag on my little brother's kill as he was technically a year too young.  He was state archery champ that year for his category, dad gave him first shot (with a blunt, breaks the bird's neck if you're successful, no harm done if not), he didn't miss.  Best turkey we ever had.

I'm fine with minors hunting, even having permits as long as it also requires adult supervision.  The parents can decide when the kid can adequately handle a weapon of sufficient power to ethically take game.

I'll note that if the animal is only wounded, dad can 'finish' it if necessary in most jurisdictions and still have it be credited to the kid.
 
2014-02-15 02:14:35 AM  

Mikey1969: Bontesla: fusillade762: If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?

This is the part I think a lot of people are glossing over.

Not alone. The adult with them is more than just part of the entourage.


See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...
 
2014-02-15 02:17:19 AM  

Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...


Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.
 
2014-02-15 02:24:09 AM  

dennysgod: As a pot smoking hippie, gay-rights loving, obamacare supporting, science is the only truth, liberal I'd like to say

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I've probably have more kills then most of the gun nuts on Fark as well because dammit, natural selection made some really tasty animals.


Yeah, I'm a hippy, doob guy who would never own a gun... but if you own a gun and have kids, this is a good way to teach them how to own them the right way.

They're still going to follow your bullshiat religion and kill somebody, but not because they don't know how to properly handle a gun.
 
2014-02-15 02:29:48 AM  

Firethorn: Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...

Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier

(Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range
(You don't know what their diet is)
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops) (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking (Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout :)
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.(Agreed)

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?
 
2014-02-15 02:38:07 AM  

TheOther: Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal, This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.
-Oedipus Rand Paul


I like it better this way for so many reasons.
 
2014-02-15 03:22:47 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Firethorn: Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...

Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier (Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range (You don't know what their diet is)
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops) (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking (Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout :)
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.(Agreed)

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?


What do you care, pearl clutcher? I know a lot of hunters, none of them do so for subsistence, but all of them fill their freezers. What argument could you possibly have that factory processed grocery meat is superior?
 
2014-02-15 03:50:40 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Firethorn: Fista-Phobia: See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...

Most of these people hunt for the meat, not the trophy.
1.  Tastier (Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)
2.  Cheaper(well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)
3.  Organic non-antibiotic free range (You don't know what their diet is)
4.  Population control(otherwise they'll eat the crops) (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)
5.  Time out in the wilderness that's a touch more useful than mere hiking (Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout :)
6.  Bonding experience and expanding of skills.(Agreed)

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?


Some families count on the meat, 1/4 billion lbs of free range, organic, antibiotic-free white tail meat alone hits the dinner tables in the US every year. It doesn't really matter what socioeconomic group the hunters come from since we as human have upset the balance and have to manage the game anyway.
 
2014-02-15 03:51:44 AM  

Fista-Phobia: (well, once you've already amortizied the rifle and everything else)


a lot of hunting rifles are handed down.

Fista-Phobia: (So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?)


yup. It's called "wildlife management".
 
2014-02-15 03:53:38 AM  

Fista-Phobia: (Depends. Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)


missed this one...

you don't shoot "big game" with buckshot, birdshot, or any kind of shot.
 
2014-02-15 04:00:10 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Do i have to risk breaking a toof on some buckshot?)


Very unlikely if you're hunting with a rifle.  ;)

I'd actually worry more about game birds taken with small gauge birdshot, rifle rounds either completely penetrate or at least fragment along a narrow path(which you dispose of anyways).  Buckshot pellets are big enough to see easily.

You don't know what their diet is

The turkey we ate(post above yours)?  We know precisely what it was eating, which is why the farmer invited us out there(his crops).  Well, that and stuff we might not like to think about(like bugs; that's part of what makes true free-range chickens and their eggs taste so good).  For a deer?  Normally normal deer stuff, but it's not like it's being fed ground up relatives in artificial feed.

So the hand of man supercedes natural selection?

Arguably we're as natural as any other animal, so it's just a different sort of natural selection.  Short of doing some genetic engineering, whether via traditional husbandry or higher tech solutions, our only other option is to reintroduce the natural predators, which is often unacceptable because said predators can consider humans valid prey.  Game management, in short.

Waiting in a tree or blind is not hiking. I call that a stakeout

They still have to hike to the tree/blind, after having hiked enough to pick the proper tree/blind spot.  I've also never tree-hunted.

Good points. Who are these "most of these people"? Are they on SNAP or just off the grid?

Normal people looking to save money, continue a tradition, or such for the most part.  On the low end it's a major staple for some of my poorer relatives, Social Security in my grandparent's case, not SNAP.  None of them are so much 'off the grid' as just 'loosely connected'.  ;)
 
2014-02-15 05:04:44 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Mikey1969: Bontesla: fusillade762: If the bill passes, 10-year olds could hunt big-game animals such as deer, elk, moose, wolves, bears, mountain lions and pronghorn antelope.

What could possibly go wrong?

This is the part I think a lot of people are glossing over.

Not alone. The adult with them is more than just part of the entourage.

See. This is where is breaks down for me. Shooting USA is not sustenance. Unless you're Ramo First Blood, you can procure what you need from the local store. They rest is trophy envy. I guess it's about being off the grid I suppose. But none of you posting here really are so...


Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet. Mounting the trophy is pride, but the meat came first. It's leaner, you end up with hundreds of pounds, the cost works out to be a third or half, you get to do what YOU want with the meat(my adoptive parents would butcher tnheir own, keeping the best steaks and roasts and sending the rest in to become hamburger, with a small amount becoming salami and pepperoni, it's better for you, and some people feel it's more human than the overcrowded shirt box how as a dairy farm.

And many people DO need the meat, it's not optional, it's how their families eat. As an added bonus, my parents got the hides tanned for a future unknown use.

So yeah, it's sustenance hunting even IF grocery stores are available. Besides, hunting is how the herd sizes are maintained. You already complain when they wander into your yard and eat your azaleas, you want them dying of starvation in your driveway, too?
 
2014-02-15 05:14:20 AM  

Mikey1969: Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet.


I enjoy meeting other hunters too.
 
2014-02-15 05:28:38 AM  
You know what? Meh, whatever. As long as they don't shoot some innocent bystander (then they should be tried as adults) i say go right ahead. If they shoot themselves, darwin will be pleased.
 
2014-02-15 05:33:51 AM  

log_jammin: Mikey1969: Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet.

I enjoy meeting other hunters too.


Do you also enjoy meating the other hunters as well?
 
2014-02-15 06:02:48 AM  
Frankly, teaching children that young to fire guns is child abuse.
 
2014-02-15 06:15:53 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Haven't read the bill in question, but I hope that parental supervision is still required.  Even with proper training from an adult, if things go south, I'd bet that most 10 year olds would freeze up or panic, at least a bit.


It's generally considered  a bad idea to go hunting without adult supervision, even as an adult. If you get hurt, you need an adult who can handle the emergency. Same goes if your buddy gets hurt, you better be able to save both of your asses.

Also, in louisiana, when I was growing up, the absolute youngest you could legally hunt without supervision was sixteen years old. However, few people are dumb enough to go hunting by themselves.
 
2014-02-15 06:38:59 AM  

Smoking GNU: Do you also enjoy meating the other hunters as well?


of course
 
2014-02-15 06:40:29 AM  

Herr_Teacher: Frankly, teaching children that young to fire guns is child abuse.


3/10

I would have went higher had there been more activity in the thread.
 
2014-02-15 08:25:53 AM  
I have no problem with this. A certain, small percentage of the children of people who should not have been allowed to breed will die unnecessarily, but ultimately, that redounds to the public good. Loosening restrictions on gun ownership just means more dead morons. Of course, it means more dead innocent people but the population is too high anyway and statistically the self-culling by people stupid enough to let children handle guns will outrun the effects of the occasional school massacre.

"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Gun."
 
2014-02-15 08:39:55 AM  

log_jammin: Mikey1969: Everyone I've ever met hunts for the meet.

I enjoy meeting other hunters too.


Gotta love autocorrect when it manages to create an actual workable sentence. Saw a great one earlier this week, truly a classic one, and have totally forgotten what it was...
 
2014-02-15 09:10:56 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't know what the appropriate age is, but I don't have a problem with kids hunting with adult supervision. TFA says 10-year-olds can already hunt small game with adult supervision. I'd mostly be worried about the kids handling the recoil on the bigger guns.


I do, because the adults are all wrapped up in this "gonna make you a MAN, boy" macho bullshiat.  Dumb idea.  Period.
 
2014-02-15 09:15:36 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: What argument could you possibly have that factory processed grocery meat is superior?


It's not a great argument but...

You probably didn't accidentally shoot anyone getting meat from the store.
 
2014-02-15 09:21:15 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.


Haven't we evolved, as a society, beyond such barbaric "family traditions"?
 
2014-02-15 09:38:53 AM  
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/If you don't want your kids to learn how to hunt, don't teach em how to hunt. 
/Give em the finest non-education you think will help.
 
2014-02-15 09:54:56 AM  

GoldSpider: Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.

Haven't we evolved, as a society, beyond such barbaric "family traditions"?


If you aren't a vegan, shut the fark up...

Vegetarian myself, don't give a rats ass about responsible hunting..
Certain species like white tailed deer and many kinds of geese have to be hinted, or the impact on the environment is worse
 
2014-02-15 10:02:50 AM  

clambam: I have no problem with this. A certain, small percentage of the children of people who should not have been allowed to breed will die unnecessarily, but ultimately, that redounds to the public good. Loosening restrictions on gun ownership just means more dead morons. Of course, it means more dead innocent people but the population is too high anyway and statistically the self-culling by people stupid enough to let children handle guns will outrun the effects of the occasional school massacre.

"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Gun."


Swap 'drugs' for 'guns' in that statement and you pretty much have a case for legalization.  Still, people prefer shooting things to feeling good, so shotguns outvote cannabis every time.
 
2014-02-15 10:31:58 AM  

dforkus: Certain species like white tailed deer and many kinds of geese have to be hinted, or the impact on the environment is worse


This! We killed most of their natural predators. We farked up, so we have to correct it.

The good news is that they're so tasty. My boss brought in some deer jerky a few weeks ago. MOTHERAFRAGGIN YUM.

And now you people make me want a deep freezer.

/jerky
//jerky-jerky
 
2014-02-15 10:40:31 AM  
What's the matter subby? Your puny little libtard mind can't wrap around the fact that there are actually responsible gun owner parents? Is it also too small and narrow to believe that we should teach children that food doesn't magically appear in plastic wrap at the supermarket?
 
2014-02-15 11:24:07 AM  

dennysgod: As a pot smoking hippie, gay-rights loving, obamacare supporting, science is the only truth, liberal I'd like to say




I've probably have more kills then most of the gun nuts on Fark as well because dammit, natural selection made some really tasty animals.


All of this.

Why does anyone have a problem with this?
 
2014-02-15 11:24:20 AM  
10 is sort of old. I'm starting my kid at 3.
 
2014-02-15 12:38:16 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: 10 is sort of old. I'm starting my kid at 3.


Headed out B'ar Hunting?
 
2014-02-15 12:41:32 PM  

fusillade762: What could possibly go wrong?


Animal right activist and armchair biologist getting irate?   Generally around here, we consider that to be a good thing.
 
2014-02-15 01:15:58 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: A 10 year old with a 12 gauge shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong?


Kids in the northwest aren't raised to be pu&&ies like a rest of the country.
 
2014-02-15 01:54:58 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-15 03:23:06 PM  

RockofAges: Children at the age of 10 literally piledrive each other because "they saw it on wrestling". I should know, because I was one of those kids.

You're going to hand them an extremely lethal weapon (an instrument that can kill someone accidentally in the blink of an eye), tell them to go out in the woods with "dear old dad" (drunk or not), and share the woods with other adult hunters?

I have to be honest, if I knew children were going to be carrying firearms in the woods around me, I would probably think twice about hunting that day. To take the Hunter Education Course (along with the required Firearms Licensing courses / papers) you have to be 14 in Nova Scotia (small game). We don't have the gun-culture that the United States does, and I think that's a big difference. Here, guns aren't really fetishized at all, most people do not own or carry them. Probably 2 million licensed gun owners and 4 million black market owners (total).

Guns are taken very seriously here, as they should be. The carefree American attitude towards guns is something that IMO has lead to an immense amount of irresponsible death. As far as hunting goes, I personally think 14 is a good age to think about supervised hunting. 10? That's ridiculous. 10 year olds do not possess the intellectual or emotional maturity to be trusted with lethal force.


Children the age of 8 can literally learn to be respectful of firearms and to use them safely because they took a Hunter Education Course and because they learned it from "dear old dad".  I should know, because I was one of those kids.
 
2014-02-15 03:35:50 PM  
All I want to know is why my three year old can't carry a bazooka in preschool.

Farking Nazis suppressing HIS RIGHTS

HIS RIGHTS

HIS RIGHTS
 
2014-02-15 04:12:38 PM  

RockofAges: Food appears at the supermarket because of factory farming practices, not "noble hunters out there playing Davey Crockett", dude.


I don't think that was his point.  I think his point is that once you know what hunting is really about, you have a better appreciation on what it entails for that nice little sirloin to go from cow to supermarket.  Not that meat comes from hunters.

I think that his overall point being that many folks have lost the perspective of what it takes to feed this country and the world.
 
2014-02-15 09:19:49 PM  

DeltaPunch: Warlordtrooper: Um whats the big deal,  This means that kids can go hunting with their fathers.

Now that you mention it... do women hunt? I'm asking because I've honestly never met a wonam who hunts.


::waves::

 Hi there. I hunt (here in WA) and so do most of my cousins (in WI). Lots more women hunters these days too it seems. I hunt archery, cousins hunt rifle (like my husband).

/Sure you'll meet a few soon.
//son went hunting this year at 9...yes adult supervision all the way. Didn't get anything, but we all had a lot of fun. :)
 
2014-02-15 10:47:51 PM  

RockofAges: Hell, driver's licenses are 16. And you have to be 19 to drink. But it's okay to have control of a lethal weapon (only intended purpose to kill living things, not like a car) at 8 years old? Literally at the point where kids are still playing with GI Joes?

That's farked man. You can have fun in your family with it, but it doesn't apply at large. And the USA does have an enormous problem with guns and the gun mentality.


In Idaho, it was 14 . Why yes, thats because it was rural and families farms use equipment that sometimes has to drive on the road. Sorry, but the gun problem isnt due to hunters, its due to wannabe gangsters and rambos .  I learned to respect firearms at a very young age, because my dad would drag me along to go hunt, and he didnt want me to make a serious error.  We mostly came back empty handed, but when we were lucky enough to bag something- we ate well. A good sized deer can feed a family of 3 for a couple of months...
 
2014-02-16 12:13:06 AM  

BMFPitt: [images.arcadja.com image 223x300]

Not impressed...


Came for the "when he was only 3" reference. Leaving satisfied.

/I'm the libbiest libby lib that ever libbed and I'm also [okaywiththis]
 
2014-02-16 12:18:31 AM  

RockofAges: Children at the age of 10 literally piledrive each other because "they saw it on wrestling". I should know, because I was one of those kids.


And if Mom&Dad have been teaching him responsible firearm handling since the age of 6?  You have to remember that it was only a few generations ago that a 10 year old had a good chance of being handed a .22 and told to got get some squirrels/rabbits for dinner.  Today's kids are, in many aspects, retarded responsibility wise because they're raised by the TV, not adults.

HeadLever: I think that his overall point being that many folks have lost the perspective of what it takes to feed this country and the world.


Remember the article about the woman who was traumatized by finding a chicken head in her package of 'whole chicken'?


RockofAges: That's nice, but if you're suggesting that an 8 year old should be allowed to handle a firearm, I honestly just straight disagree with you. Five year olds are just learning to read, eight year olds struggle with chapter books. Now you're going to give them a lethal weapon, history's greatest equalizer?


At 8 they're probably getting, at most, a single shot .22 under intense adult supervision.  What do I mean by intense?  The adult provides them each round by hand for every shot, and probably has one hand on the rifle, which is on a bench rest pointed down range.
 
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