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2014-02-14 01:24:04 PM  
The "love" often mentioned around Valentine's Day is not love at all, but merely neurotransmitters carrying out a bio-evolutionary imperative.

Everything we are and do is in part due to our neural activity, both in response to and in planning for navigating around in our environment - both the physical one and the social one. The feelings of love (whether you're talking romantic love or not) that we experience are the result of those neurochemical actions in our brains. That is real, and it's enjoyable. It isn't "merely neurotransmitters" because that's at the root of everything that happens in our brain anyway. It's entirely too reductionistic an approach to understanding the phenomenological experience. Emotional expressions or experiences, such as love, emerge from those complex interactions, just like everything else, and you cannot simply reduce it to constituent parts to understand it.

I really wish people would stop trying to diminish the human experience when we become better able to understand the chemistry and biology of how we function. It's not much different than the apocryphal story of the man who became depressed when he was told how rainbows are made because it took all the magic away. Knowing how we work is pretty f*cking cool, and I think trying to quash people's appreciation for the end result of how they work - i.e. feeling in love with their significant other in this case - is not only obnoxious, but often predicated on a relatively piss poor understanding of the relevant sciences.
 
2014-02-14 01:24:46 PM  
And when you combine all our you get

www.trektoday.com
 
2014-02-14 01:39:43 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: And when you combine all our you get

[www.trektoday.com image 250x152]


When we said we would like to eat consular Troy we had something different in mind.
 
2014-02-14 01:40:54 PM  
*Err all four
 
2014-02-14 01:45:19 PM  
Sex: can be connected to anything
Cocaine: see Sex

So it's basically Star Trek is connected to neuroscience. I don't have a problem believing that.
 
2014-02-14 02:05:00 PM  

Kome: It's not much different than the apocryphal story of the man who became depressed when he was told how rainbows are made because it took all the magic away.

"Poets say science takes away from the beauty of the stars - mere globs of gas atoms. I too can see the stars on a desert night, and feel them. But do I see less or more? The vastness of the heavens stretches my imagination - stuck on this carousel my little eye can catch one - million - year - old light. A vast pattern - of which I am a part... What is the pattern, or the meaning, or the why? It does not do harm to the mystery to know a little about it. For far more marvelous is the truth than any artists of the past imagined it. Why do the poets of the present not speak of it? What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?"

"I have a friend who's an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don't agree with very well. He'll hold up a flower and say "look how beautiful it is," and I'll agree. Then he says "I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing," and I think that he's kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe. Although I may not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is ... I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it's not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there's also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don't understand how it subtracts."

Richard Feynman
 
2014-02-14 02:06:10 PM  

grinding_journalist: Sex: can be connected to anything


See:  Rule 34.
 
2014-02-14 02:23:30 PM  

Cheron: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: And when you combine all our you get

[www.trektoday.com image 250x152]

When we said we would like to eat consular Troy we had something different in mind.


Counselor. Troi.
 
2014-02-14 02:40:51 PM  
The link failure occurred when there was a video clip from Voyager.
 
2014-02-14 03:48:57 PM  
As Farkers, we can confirm 3 out of 4 by experience.
 
2014-02-14 03:55:56 PM  

grinding_journalist: Sex: can be connected to anything



Q: Sidney, what's the psychiatric basis for gambling?

A: Sex.

Q: Why?

A: I don't know, they told me to say it. Sex is why we gamble, sex is why we drink, sex is why we give birth.
 
2014-02-14 05:16:25 PM  

CitizenjaQ: Cheron: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: And when you combine all our you get

[www.trektoday.com image 250x152]

When we said we would like to eat consular Troy we had something different in mind.

Counselor. Troi.


Cellular peptide cake with mint frosting.
 
2014-02-14 05:28:24 PM  
 
2014-02-14 07:06:25 PM  
So which Fark modmin runs the Optimal Human Modulation site?
 
2014-02-14 08:08:50 PM  

Ambitwistor: Kome: It's not much different than the apocryphal story of the man who became depressed when he was told how rainbows are made because it took all the magic away.
"Poets say science takes away from the beauty of the stars - mere globs of gas atoms. I too can see the stars on a desert night, and feel them. But do I see less or more? The vastness of the heavens stretches my imagination - stuck on this carousel my little eye can catch one - million - year - old light. A vast pattern - of which I am a part... What is the pattern, or the meaning, or the why? It does not do harm to the mystery to know a little about it. For far more marvelous is the truth than any artists of the past imagined it. Why do the poets of the present not speak of it? What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?"

"I have a friend who's an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don't agree with very well. He'll hold up a flower and say "look how beautiful it is," and I'll agree. Then he says "I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing," and I think that he's kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe. Although I may not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is ... I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it's not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there's also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds ...


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder? :)
I keed, but I think both the artist and the scientist can appreciate beauty of a rose or a starry night even if it's for different reasons. Is there any need for one to trump the other?
/jmho
 
2014-02-14 08:37:58 PM  

Kome: The feelings of love (whether you're talking romantic love or not) that we experience are the result of those neurochemical actions in our brains. That is real, and it's enjoyable. It isn't "merely neurotransmitters" because that's at the root of everything that happens in our brain anyway. It's entirely too reductionistic an approach to understanding the phenomenological experience. Emotional expressions or experiences, such as love, emerge from those complex interactions, just like everything else, and you cannot simply reduce it to constituent parts to understand it.


While I agree with you in some ways, you miss the point.

The distinct the author is making is not neurotransmitters vs. emotion.  It's short-term, unstable behavior arising from neurotransmitter imbalance (seven of nine description of romantic love) vs. long-term, stable behavior driven by neural configuration built up over positive experiences and reinforcements (Data's description of friendship and non-sexual bonding, although he did get busy with the sister referenced in the video... while she was out of her mind neurochemically speaking, so it comes full circle).

The author argues that the later is ultimately the more important, long-lasting, and fundamental in our lives, and thus is the one deserving the label of "true love".

I agree with his premise entirely, no matter how awkwardly written.
 
2014-02-14 10:01:03 PM  

Clever Neologism: (Data's description of friendship and non-sexual bonding, although he did get busy with the sister referenced in the video... while she was out of her mind neurochemically speaking, so it comes full circle).


Of course, so was he, somehow.
 
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