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2014-02-14 12:18:41 PM
I know it was part of damage control, but still pretty classy to send a team of people to offer help to the owner, instead of just issuing a press release.
 
2014-02-14 12:23:06 PM
Good. I want one. Maybe this will bring the price down
 
2014-02-14 12:39:41 PM

baka-san: I know it was part of damage control, but still pretty classy to send a team of people to offer help to the owner, instead of just issuing a press release.


Yeah, 'help' the owner.  They sent the team in to cover up evidence and silence the owner.

In this particular case, we don't yet know the precise cause, but have definitively determined that it did not originate in the battery, the charging system, the adapter or the electrical receptacle, as these components were untouched by the fire.

Yeah, i guess it must have been the leather seats that spontaneously combusted.  In Toronto.  In February.  Or maybe the floor mats.  Or maybe a hubcap.  Those things catch on fire all the time.
 
2014-02-14 12:52:22 PM
Yeah, it's really hurting the company. That's why their stock is trading at $198 today.
 
2014-02-14 01:00:01 PM
I bet Edison is behind this.
 
2014-02-14 01:46:50 PM

baka-san: I know it was part of damage control, but still pretty classy to send a team of people to offer help to the owner, instead of just issuing a press release.


But the owner declined the offer.  Who declines free money?  Nobody, unless the money isn't free.  The price of that 'free money' was likely their silence.
 
2014-02-14 02:04:58 PM
Well they bust a nut, but I wouldn't say they're burning up the charts.
www.thegauntlet.com
/problem caused by mechanical resonance?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-14 02:05:07 PM
They are just filling that niche market that the Pontiac Fiero left behind...

media2.apnonline.com.au
 
2014-02-14 02:08:25 PM
Unsafe at zero-speed?
 
2014-02-14 02:09:28 PM
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts....
 
2014-02-14 02:09:33 PM

Lucky LaRue: I bet Edison is behind this.


Well, I hear those batteries do store his direct current...
 
2014-02-14 02:12:02 PM
FTcompletely disingenuous Tesla statement: "it is worth noting that gasoline car companies experience an average of five to ten times more fires per car than Tesla"

Also worth noting: That Tesla is comparing its brand-new cars to cars that were sold many years ago, and is therefore comparing apples to apatosaurs.

Compare brand-new Teslas to brand-new gasoline-powered cars, and I have a feeling the picture would be looking a lot less rosy for Tesla.
 
2014-02-14 02:12:58 PM
Tesla is a great company. I know a couple of the engineers, beyond smart guys. I'm sure someone will sass me for saying that. But seriously, hope they overcome.
 
2014-02-14 02:13:20 PM
Model S fires, per car sold is below the national average... so theres that.
 
2014-02-14 02:14:14 PM
Yeah. Non story. Media just has a hard-on for anything electric car or Tesla. You never hear about other cars catching fire but it happens all the time. Ford recalled half a million cars last year because of all the fires occurring. Barely made the news. This one car will be a headline.
 
2014-02-14 02:14:32 PM
That's the way it is.  You have to watch for signs of trouble with those cars.  But, the company is going through changes and I think it's gettin' better.  You have to hang tough when it seems like things are fallin' apart.  Tesla is really moving into the now, and before my eyes, it seems.

/Edison's Medicine
 
2014-02-14 02:16:03 PM
Combustion cars burn up all the time, were the Teslas ever promised to never start on fire? There's like a billion amp hours of juice in that thing. shiat's gonna go wrong sometimes.
 
2014-02-14 02:18:42 PM

SlothB77: baka-san: I know it was part of damage control, but still pretty classy to send a team of people to offer help to the owner, instead of just issuing a press release.

Yeah, 'help' the owner.  They sent the team in to cover up evidence and silence the owner.

In this particular case, we don't yet know the precise cause, but have definitively determined that it did not originate in the battery, the charging system, the adapter or the electrical receptacle, as these components were untouched by the fire.

Yeah, i guess it must have been the leather seats that spontaneously combusted.  In Toronto.  In February.  Or maybe the floor mats.  Or maybe a hubcap.  Those things catch on fire all the time.



Quite a number of car fires begin in garages due to malfunctioning relays that overheat and act like a match.

In fact, and this is pure speculation, a frozen relay would be the first thing I looked into in a garaged car fire in Toronto's February.  They're rare, but they happen.
 
2014-02-14 02:19:47 PM
I would definitely set my Tesla on fire if someone paid me like 120k.  Just sayins.
 
2014-02-14 02:22:40 PM

SlothB77: baka-san: I know it was part of damage control, but still pretty classy to send a team of people to offer help to the owner, instead of just issuing a press release.

Yeah, 'help' the owner.  They sent the team in to cover up evidence and silence the owner.

In this particular case, we don't yet know the precise cause, but have definitively determined that it did not originate in the battery, the charging system, the adapter or the electrical receptacle, as these components were untouched by the fire.

Yeah, i guess it must have been the leather seats that spontaneously combusted.  In Toronto.  In February.  Or maybe the floor mats.  Or maybe a hubcap.  Those things catch on fire all the time.


It totally could have been the leather seats. A failed relay that didn't turn off the seat heaters when the ignition was killed could have easily started a fire.
 
2014-02-14 02:23:05 PM

whatdoyouexpect: But seriously, hope they overcome.


They shall.
 
2014-02-14 02:25:03 PM

that one guy from that one place: It totally could have been the leather seats. A failed relay that didn't turn off the seat heaters when the ignition was killed could have easily started a fire.


Yes, because if the seat warmers stay on for a few hours then the seats erupt in flames. That's why there's a big warning notice telling you to abandon your car after two or three hours of driving with the seat warmers on.

/hint: a failed relay that leaves the seat warmers on when the ignition is off will do nothing except gradually flatten the battery
//and seat materials are fire-resistant anyway
///in other words, getting the seats to catch fire using the seat warmers requires a spectacularly bad failure, not a stuck relay
 
2014-02-14 02:27:37 PM
In this particular case, we don't yet know the precise cause, but have definitively determined that it did not originate in the battery, the charging system, the adapter or the electrical receptacle, as these components were untouched by the fire.

Smells like insurance fraud to me, but we'll see. If it was electrical it sounds like it wasn't caused by something specific to it being an electric car.
 
2014-02-14 02:28:36 PM
Their stock just busted through $200.

/bought on IPO day
 
2014-02-14 02:29:07 PM

Rav Tokomi: Smells like insurance fraud to me, but we'll see. If it was electrical it sounds like it wasn't caused by something specific to it being an electric car.


Or, just perhaps, that Tesla has a vested interest in the verdict being that it wasn't their car's fault, and that they shouldn't be the ones investigating the fires and making public statements rendering verdicts on their causes.

/because manufacturer fraud is far more likely than insurance fraud
 
2014-02-14 02:29:13 PM

gweilo8888: that one guy from that one place: It totally could have been the leather seats. A failed relay that didn't turn off the seat heaters when the ignition was killed could have easily started a fire.

Yes, because if the seat warmers stay on for a few hours then the seats erupt in flames. That's why there's a big warning notice telling you to abandon your car after two or three hours of driving with the seat warmers on.

/hint: a failed relay that leaves the seat warmers on when the ignition is off will do nothing except gradually flatten the battery
//and seat materials are fire-resistant anyway
///in other words, getting the seats to catch fire using the seat warmers requires a spectacularly bad failure, not a stuck relay


Toyota Dealers stop selling cars with heated seats, because fire  Date: 1/30/14
 
2014-02-14 02:29:36 PM

Rav Tokomi: In this particular case, we don't yet know the precise cause, but have definitively determined that it did not originate in the battery, the charging system, the adapter or the electrical receptacle, as these components were untouched by the fire.

Smells like insurance fraud to me, but we'll see. If it was electrical it sounds like it wasn't caused by something specific to it being an electric car.


Guy probably dropped a lit Player onto the floorboard and didn't notice.

www.cigarettespedia.com
 
2014-02-14 02:34:35 PM

gweilo8888: Rav Tokomi: Smells like insurance fraud to me, but we'll see. If it was electrical it sounds like it wasn't caused by something specific to it being an electric car.

Or, just perhaps, that Tesla has a vested interest in the verdict being that it wasn't their car's fault, and that they shouldn't be the ones investigating the fires and making public statements rendering verdicts on their causes.

/because manufacturer fraud is far more likely than insurance fraud


Are you trying to FUD Tesla so you can afford to buy their stock?
 
2014-02-14 02:34:52 PM
I'm guessing outta my butt along with everyone else, but I'm going for drive motor overheating.  You can't see the cabin or front from the pictures to well, but to me it looks like the area of interest is the front right of the hood.  Since there isn't anything under the hood but cargo area then the issue was in the trunk or a drive motor since charging was unaffected and there isn't much else there.
 
2014-02-14 02:35:21 PM

TheDirtyNacho: Toyota Dealers stop selling cars with heated seats, because fire  Date: 1/30/14


Nice speed and Google-fu, but completely irrelevant. My point still stands.

How many fires were there from the above? (Difficulty: The answer is "zero".)

A problem was found during routine testing of components. You'd still have needed a catastrophic failure of the heating element or supply circuitry to cause a fire *even without* the flame-retardant materials. Simply leaving on a heating element that creates mild warmth is not enough to start a fire, and that's all a stuck relay would do.
 
2014-02-14 02:36:24 PM

gweilo8888: Rav Tokomi: Smells like insurance fraud to me, but we'll see. If it was electrical it sounds like it wasn't caused by something specific to it being an electric car.

Or, just perhaps, that Tesla has a vested interest in the verdict being that it wasn't their car's fault, and that they shouldn't be the ones investigating the fires and making public statements rendering verdicts on their causes.

/because manufacturer fraud is far more likely than insurance fraud


Leftists and the media hate corporations.  But for some reason, everyone just takes Tesla at their word.  More than half the article is just statements directly from the company verbatim.  When did SFGate become a transcript service for big corporations?
 
2014-02-14 02:38:16 PM

lewismarktwo: gweilo8888: Rav Tokomi: Smells like insurance fraud to me, but we'll see. If it was electrical it sounds like it wasn't caused by something specific to it being an electric car.

Or, just perhaps, that Tesla has a vested interest in the verdict being that it wasn't their car's fault, and that they shouldn't be the ones investigating the fires and making public statements rendering verdicts on their causes.

/because manufacturer fraud is far more likely than insurance fraud

Are you trying to FUD Tesla so you can afford to buy their stock?


Nope. I have no interest in buying their stock. However, I recognize completely disingenuous PR statements when I see them, because I work in a career where I have to deal with PR people. I also recognize a biased "investigation" when I see one.

And I also recognize that Teslas sell in absolutely miniscule numbers, so they shouldn't be bursting into flames with the regularity they do, because if gasoline cars of the same age burst into flames as frequently as Teslas do, you'd not just hear about it in the media, you'd *see* a gas car on fire almost on a daily basis.
 
2014-02-14 02:38:56 PM
It always surprises me how many people seem absolutely giddy at the prospect of piling on Tesla for every single misfortune they encounter. Are there really that many people rooting for them to fail? And why on earth would they? They can't all work for Exxon and Ford, so why all the hate? I just don't get it.

/girlfriend and I went to the Tesla store down the street from the office last weekend
//would buy one tomorrow if I could afford it
 
2014-02-14 02:40:32 PM

TheDirtyNacho: gweilo8888: that one guy from that one place: It totally could have been the leather seats. A failed relay that didn't turn off the seat heaters when the ignition was killed could have easily started a fire.

Yes, because if the seat warmers stay on for a few hours then the seats erupt in flames. That's why there's a big warning notice telling you to abandon your car after two or three hours of driving with the seat warmers on.

/hint: a failed relay that leaves the seat warmers on when the ignition is off will do nothing except gradually flatten the battery
//and seat materials are fire-resistant anyway
///in other words, getting the seats to catch fire using the seat warmers requires a spectacularly bad failure, not a stuck relay

Toyota Dealers stop selling cars with heated seats, because fire  Date: 1/30/14



I have a Camry and the heated seats turn off after 15 minutes the same way rear defrosters do.  After having them on for more than a few minutes is more than enough for me as they can get quite hot so i have little doubt that they can start fires if they malfunction.
 
2014-02-14 02:41:23 PM
This wouldn't have happened if he had parked it in a car hole instead of some fancy pantsy garage.
 
2014-02-14 02:42:22 PM

Harry Freakstorm: This wouldn't have happened if he had parked it in a car hole instead of some fancy pantsy garage.


It's Canada.  You have to use French words on odd-numbered days.
 
2014-02-14 02:42:36 PM
stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2014-02-14 02:43:42 PM

GleeUnit: It always surprises me how many people seem absolutely giddy at the prospect of piling on Tesla for every single misfortune they encounter. Are there really that many people rooting for them to fail? And why on earth would they? They can't all work for Exxon and Ford, so why all the hate? I just don't get it.

/girlfriend and I went to the Tesla store down the street from the office last weekend
//would buy one tomorrow if I could afford it


It always surprises me how many people seem absolutely unmindful of the historical problems/risks associated with electric vehicles.
And now we have improved energy density to weapons grade and SURPRISE!

No hate here, just abject wonder and merriment at the running and scurrying humans.
 
2014-02-14 02:44:34 PM

Harry Freakstorm: This wouldn't have happened if he had parked it in a car hole instead of some fancy pantsy garage.


We are gonna need a bigger LiPo envelope/blast cage.
 
2014-02-14 02:44:54 PM

gweilo8888: that one guy from that one place: It totally could have been the leather seats. A failed relay that didn't turn off the seat heaters when the ignition was killed could have easily started a fire.

Yes, because if the seat warmers stay on for a few hours then the seats erupt in flames. That's why there's a big warning notice telling you to abandon your car after two or three hours of driving with the seat warmers on.

/hint: a failed relay that leaves the seat warmers on when the ignition is off will do nothing except gradually flatten the battery
//and seat materials are fire-resistant anyway
///in other words, getting the seats to catch fire using the seat warmers requires a spectacularly bad failure, not a stuck relay


7/10, I'll bite.

Let me think. The car caught on fire. I'd say it's safe to assume there was some sort of spectacularly bad failure.
 
2014-02-14 02:45:16 PM
Dear media:

You can stop writing a feature article every time a car catches fire. Cars are full of flammable energy storage. Shut the fark up and stop being twats.
 
2014-02-14 02:46:15 PM

TheDirtyNacho: SlothB77: baka-san: I know it was part of damage control, but still pretty classy to send a team of people to offer help to the owner, instead of just issuing a press release.

Yeah, 'help' the owner.  They sent the team in to cover up evidence and silence the owner.

In this particular case, we don't yet know the precise cause, but have definitively determined that it did not originate in the battery, the charging system, the adapter or the electrical receptacle, as these components were untouched by the fire.

Yeah, i guess it must have been the leather seats that spontaneously combusted.  In Toronto.  In February.  Or maybe the floor mats.  Or maybe a hubcap.  Those things catch on fire all the time.


Quite a number of car fires begin in garages due to malfunctioning relays that overheat and act like a match.

In fact, and this is pure speculation, a frozen relay would be the first thing I looked into in a garaged car fire in Toronto's February.  They're rare, but they happen.


THIS.  Happened to my wife's uncle's Mercury Mariner suv.  They think it was the trailer hitch or something little electronic thing like that.  The fire took out the suv and the entire garage, but they saved the house, fortunately.  This is a total non story.
 
2014-02-14 02:48:08 PM
There are now substantially more than the 19,000 Model S vehicles on the road that were reported in our Q3 shareholder letter for an average of one fire per at least 6,333 cars, compared to the rate for gasoline vehicles of one fire per 1,350 cars. By this metric, you are more than four and a half times more likely to experience a fire in a gasoline car than a Model S!

Yeah...well...so what?  Spontaneous human combustion isn't fun either!
 
2014-02-14 02:51:40 PM
Still statistically safer than internal combustion vehicles.

For now.
 
2014-02-14 02:52:34 PM

snocone: GleeUnit: It always surprises me how many people seem absolutely giddy at the prospect of piling on Tesla for every single misfortune they encounter. Are there really that many people rooting for them to fail? And why on earth would they? They can't all work for Exxon and Ford, so why all the hate? I just don't get it.

/girlfriend and I went to the Tesla store down the street from the office last weekend
//would buy one tomorrow if I could afford it

It always surprises me how many people seem absolutely unmindful of the historical problems/risks associated with electric vehicles.
And now we have improved energy density to weapons grade and SURPRISE!

No hate here, just abject wonder and merriment at the running and scurrying humans.


Risks are one thing - They're definitely there, but over time they can be accounted for, mitigated, and overcome in many cases, especially with a still relatively juvenile technology like EVs.  Flying in a plane used to be a pretty darned risky activity too until we refined and perfected the technology and the associated vehicles.

Besides, driving itself, whether you're in a Tesla or Toyota, is by far the riskiest thing most of us do on a daily basis.
 
2014-02-14 02:53:10 PM
This comment in the comments section of the article is the real gem:

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE INVESTIGATE THE FOLLOWING PERSONS:

LINETTE LOPEZ (Author of article)
Mamta Badkar (Promoter of article)

They attended Columbia University --- together --- majoring in journalism(???). Seems they now make their living trading stock (and reporting on companies which they have an interest).

http://www.businessinsider.com/february-1st-toronto-tesla-fire-2014- 2

http://stocktwits.com/lopezlinette
http://www.mamtabadkar.com/
http://muckrack.com/mamtabadkar
http://www.thebigroundtable.com/authors/linette-lopez/

https://twitter.com/lopezlinette/status/375639847991795712
https://twitter.com/lopezlinette/status/390867069589536768

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-q2-earnings-preview-2013-8
 
2014-02-14 02:54:11 PM

gweilo8888: lewismarktwo: gweilo8888: Rav Tokomi: Smells like insurance fraud to me, but we'll see. If it was electrical it sounds like it wasn't caused by something specific to it being an electric car.

Or, just perhaps, that Tesla has a vested interest in the verdict being that it wasn't their car's fault, and that they shouldn't be the ones investigating the fires and making public statements rendering verdicts on their causes.

/because manufacturer fraud is far more likely than insurance fraud

Are you trying to FUD Tesla so you can afford to buy their stock?

Nope. I have no interest in buying their stock. However, I recognize completely disingenuous PR statements when I see them, because I work in a career where I have to deal with PR people. I also recognize a biased "investigation" when I see one.

And I also recognize that Teslas sell in absolutely miniscule numbers, so they shouldn't be bursting into flames with the regularity they do, because if gasoline cars of the same age burst into flames as frequently as Teslas do, you'd not just hear about it in the media, you'd *see* a gas car on fire almost on a daily basis.



Cars do, in fact, burst into fire every day.  Tesla's really is only news because they sell more electrics than anyone else.

As for Toyota, it takes a lot for a car manufacturer to say "stop selling".  Clearly the risk is high enough to make them uncomfortable.

You want recent model fire stories?  Well here's Ford recalling the 2013 escape for at least 12 fires

And GM recalls over 58 fires.  I guess 2006-2007 counts as "older", but we're not talking generations ago.

And those are just for fires relating to the specific recall and not other causes like catastrophic damage or rare short circuit.
 
2014-02-14 02:57:09 PM

williesleg: This comment in the comments section of the article is the real gem:

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE INVESTIGATE THE FOLLOWING PERSONS:

LINETTE LOPEZ (Author of article)
Mamta Badkar (Promoter of article)

They attended Columbia University --- together --- majoring in journalism(???). Seems they now make their living trading stock (and reporting on companies which they have an interest).

http://www.businessinsider.com/february-1st-toronto-tesla-fire-2014- 2

http://stocktwits.com/lopezlinette
http://www.mamtabadkar.com/
http://muckrack.com/mamtabadkar
http://www.thebigroundtable.com/authors/linette-lopez/

https://twitter.com/lopezlinette/status/375639847991795712
https://twitter.com/lopezlinette/status/390867069589536768

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-q2-earnings-preview-2013-8


I'm guessing someone shorted Tesla and needs a new pair of shorts.
 
2014-02-14 02:57:59 PM
What matters is the number of such incidents per car,

Unless people are going to waste a lot of money restoring a burned out car, I'd say that the amount of serious fires per car rarely exceeds 1.
 
2014-02-14 03:07:16 PM

Tillmaster: Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts....


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