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(Talking Points Memo)   Tom Perkins foolishly doubles down, says rich people should get millions more votes than poor people because they pay taxes   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 214
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2014-02-14 12:35:34 PM
If you're wealthy you're obviously better and smarter than someone who doesn't have as much money.
 
2014-02-14 12:38:18 PM
Hey, let's bring back poll taxes while we're at it! Oh wait, it's 2014. Apparently outrageous ideas like that aren't immediately shunned anymore, and often embraced. Because reasons.
 
2014-02-14 12:38:19 PM
It's true. 99.9% of American's have floors. We should be thankful.

USA:
Good enough!

USA:
At least we aren't India

USA:
Resting on our laurels since 2000

USA:
Cheap consumer technology trickled down to the poors and it pisses us right off!

/that's enough
 
2014-02-14 12:38:56 PM
"The Tom Perkins system is: You don't get to vote unless you pay a dollar of taxes,"

Sales Taxes don't count.

"But what I really think is, it should be like a corporation. You pay a million dollars in taxes, you get a million votes. How's that?"

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2014-02-14 12:39:15 PM
While its easy to joke about this, this basic idea is actually embedded deep in conservative thought. When I was a young Republican, it was a commonly held idea, for example, that people on welfare should not be allowed to vote. It goes back hundreds of years, back to the idea that having property was really the only legitimate way of deciding who had any real interest in a nation.
 
2014-02-14 12:39:45 PM
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2014-02-14 12:40:49 PM
Fine.
We'll do the usual "one person, one vote", but the rich folks will have the option of casting additional votes at $10,000 per ballot.
 
2014-02-14 12:40:58 PM
"The fear is wealth tax, higher taxes, higher death taxes -- just more taxes until there is no more 1%," he said, as quoted by CNN Money. "And that that will creep down to the 5% and then the 10%."

Wut? How the fark does this guy have $8 billion?
 
2014-02-14 12:42:01 PM
I guess my post came a bit from left field, but f*ck this guy and this attitude.

And they already have more power than just their one vote. They have whole industries with lobbyists fighting for them.

Sh*t is crazy.
 
2014-02-14 12:42:55 PM

Chaide: Hey, let's bring back poll taxes while we're at it! Oh wait, it's 2014. Apparently outrageous ideas like that aren't immediately shunned anymore, and often embraced. Because reasons.


We've already got that in a lot of states now in the form of voter id that you have to pay for.
 
2014-02-14 12:42:57 PM
What, buying legislators outright isn't good enough for you farking assholes. fark you.

The day some rich farks vote actually tallies as more than actual human people is the day we start tearing them to pieces limb from limb.

fark you Tom Perkins, die in a fire you loathsome waste of supposedly human dna. Stop wasting actual peoples oxygen.
 
2014-02-14 12:43:05 PM
The rich with their wads of cash get their voices heard quite a bit more than the guy working the register at McDonalds. Sorry, but you already have an unequal amount of influence, we don't need to be giving these people actual power.

On the other hand, maybe this would result in those guys actually supporting tax increases.
 
2014-02-14 12:43:09 PM
I hope he keeps talking. Please proceed!
 
2014-02-14 12:43:29 PM
Perkins:  Keep pushing, asshole.  One day you will push too far, and people will go for the whole 'Eat the rich, the poor are tough and stringy' approach.

Friend of mine often says that enlightened self-interest should tell people of Perkins' ilk that they should espouse policies that help the economically disadvantaged, because otherwise someday the poor / middle classes will go all 'French Revolution'.

Or, in seismic terms, find a way to bleed stress off of the fault line gradually to try and avoid a catastrophic earthquake.
 
2014-02-14 12:45:14 PM
This motherf*cker needs to get choked the f*ck out and then assraped in the mouth.
 
2014-02-14 12:45:52 PM

Car_Ramrod: "The fear is wealth tax, higher taxes, higher death taxes -- just more taxes until there is no more 1%," he said, as quoted by CNN Money. "And that that will creep down to the 5% and then the 10%."

Wut? How the fark does this guy have $8 billion?


I'm part of the 10%. I can pay more. Hell, an increase in a few percentage points wouldn't affect me too much. Yeah, it'd suck, but my family and I would manage just fine.
 
2014-02-14 12:45:55 PM
Someone I know posted this on facebook with a comment along the lines of "this guy is the worst."

Some schmuck then commented with, "But yet, no one has a problem with voting on taxes to extract as much money as possible from self-made wealthy people.  I definitely see his point."

I cannot believe that there are idiots out there who think that the current tax system "extracts as much money as possible" from the wealthy.  And that self-made crap is just dog-whistle shiat, too.
 
2014-02-14 12:45:58 PM

DamnYankees: While its easy to joke about this, this basic idea is actually embedded deep in conservative thought. When I was a young Republican, it was a commonly held idea, for example, that people on welfare should not be allowed to vote. It goes back hundreds of years, back to the idea that having property was really the only legitimate way of deciding who had any real interest in a nation.


It's a sad truth. It's also saddening that this notion isn't going away any time soon.

It's painfully obvious as to why they don't want any of the constitution to apply to private businesses, while trying to privatize (or defund) everything the government has to offer to common-folk.
 
2014-02-14 12:46:00 PM
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-02-14 12:46:08 PM
Sounds like tumbrils are becoming more and more the solution to the problem here.
 
2014-02-14 12:47:21 PM
The people you are after are the people you depend on.
We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls.
We drive your ambulances.  We guard you while you sleep.

Do no f#%k with us.

-Chuck Palahnuik
 
2014-02-14 12:47:23 PM

Car_Ramrod: "The Tom Perkins system is: You don't get to vote unless you pay a dollar of taxes,"

Sales Taxes don't count.


Does that mean nobody in Texas can vote for their state representatives? This might work out.
 
2014-02-14 12:49:52 PM
Oh, so he's just an attention-whore.
 
2014-02-14 12:50:12 PM

Car_Ramrod: "The fear is wealth tax, higher taxes, higher death taxes -- just more taxes until there is no more 1%," he said, as quoted by CNN Money. "And that that will creep down to the 5% and then the 10%."


That's not how percentages work!
 
2014-02-14 12:51:49 PM
Unrelated question: why don't we practice defenestration anymore?
 
2014-02-14 12:52:05 PM
1 billion votes deducted for every offshore cayman island account. Do not pass go.
 
2014-02-14 12:52:27 PM
Yeah but really you can make fun of this guy all you want, but there is an attitude in this country that the poor don't pay taxes at all, and that they're getting a free ride.

That bit of derp transcends point and laugh examples like this.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves for buying into it.
 
2014-02-14 12:52:31 PM

Stile4aly: Unrelated question: why don't we practice defenestration anymore?


Building codes don't really let you open windows in tall buildings anymore. Creeping liberal fascism.
 
2014-02-14 12:52:51 PM
You know, not to defend this idiot, but at least he is honestly expressing the plutocratic vision of  how our government should work.

I mean, if we are going to treat corporations as people with a constitutional right to influence elections - because, after all, corporations have money at stake here - then why not tie voting power to the amount of money you have?  Hell, why not allow corporations to vote?

I like this idiot, because at least he comes out and says, in blunt terms, what the moneyed interests that are in control of our government really think. They view government as something that should benefit the wealthy based on how much wealth they have.  After all, in a corporation, the profits don't go to the hardest worker, or smartest employee, or customers, etc.  They go to the investors.  In other words, the  person with the most money invested gets the biggest share of the profits.
 
2014-02-14 12:55:41 PM
So liberal, charitable Bill Gates (net worth 67 billion) should get about eight times the votes of Tom Perkins (net worth 8 billion)?
 
2014-02-14 12:56:24 PM

Car_Ramrod: "The Tom Perkins system is: You don't get to vote unless you pay a dollar of taxes,"

Sales Taxes don't count.

"But what I really think is, it should be like a corporation. You pay a million dollars in taxes, you get a million votes. How's that?"

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This makes tons of sense in the appropraite context.  Conservatives tend to worship the wealthy, and constantly conflate the fact that a person is wealthy with the idea that the person must be the smartest, most productive, best type of person in our society.  So I'm sure that in this idiot's mind, he DESERVES to get billions of votes, because he is that much better than the average person (based entirely on how much money/wealth he has).
 
2014-02-14 12:56:32 PM
Now he's just doing it on purpose.
 
2014-02-14 12:57:54 PM
Nicholas D. Wolfwood:

Friend of mine often says that enlightened self-interest should tell people of Perkins' ilk that they should espouse policies that help the economically disadvantaged, because otherwise someday the poor / middle classes will go all 'French Revolution'.

I have this argument with my father all the freakin time since apparently basic human dignity is not enough of a reason for social services any more..  We are by any rational definition a wealthy family.  Not private jet, personal servant wealthy, but exceedingly well off.  And indeed my father is a self made man.  But at the very least, bread and circuses for the poor keep them occupied.  There are way more of them than there are of us.  We're also Jewish and frankly, history does not bode well for our people in times of economic turmoil and nationalist fervor.

Plus from a purely economic standpoint, our economy and our business depends on a middle class that has money to spend.
 
2014-02-14 12:58:16 PM
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The richest person in the country should decide who wins?  I approve!
 
2014-02-14 12:58:31 PM
Heh... fark this guy.
 
2014-02-14 01:00:51 PM
I like Heinlein's version of a citizen franchise better.
 
2014-02-14 01:01:05 PM
Thomas James Perkins.
Eighty-two years old.

Evil in human form sure does live a long motherf*cking time.
 
2014-02-14 01:01:44 PM
"The fear is wealth tax, higher taxes, higher death taxes -- just more taxes until there is no more 1%," he said, as quoted by CNN Money. "And that that will creep down to the 5% and then the 10%."

As educational standards improve, infrastructure is repaired, poverty is reduced. illiteracy is eliminated, unemployment drops, the middle class becomes the powerful engine of the economy again and all of the other things these people actively block begin to happen.

Seriously, he is just trolling everyone now.  Ignore him.
 
2014-02-14 01:02:56 PM
And the rich wonder why we want to chop off their heads, stick them on pikes in front of wall street and the capital, stuff cake down their gullets, and then drag their headless bodies down Park Ave.
 
2014-02-14 01:04:21 PM

Car_Ramrod: "The fear is wealth tax, higher taxes, higher death taxes -- just more taxes until there is no more 1%," he said, as quoted by CNN Money. "And that that will creep down to the 5% and then the 10%."

Wut? How the fark does this guy have $8 billion?


He's kind of a mathematical anti-prodigy.  No matter how much you tax (and we should a lot) there's always a 1%.
 
2014-02-14 01:04:51 PM
I would like to hear a news story about a random man shattering Perkins' kneecap in the middle of the street, in broad daylight, and running away. These assholes never have to worry about paying their bills, losing their homes, what they'll do the next month. The least they could experience is the fear of random violence that they pretend exists for them. They need to feel vulnerable in some way.
 
2014-02-14 01:05:16 PM
I disagree, but if he's willing to pick up the tab on my student loan, I may reconsider.

Only one way to find out, Tom...
 
2014-02-14 01:05:27 PM
I kinda like this plan.

Imagine the Kock brothers going to their accountant:  "Hey, why the fark did you take that deduction?!"

"Sirs, I saved you $162,000.  I thought you would be happy."

"Did you see how much Soros paid last year?!?  We're not going to be outvoted by that commie sonuvabiatch!  You skip that deduction.  Skip them all!!!"
 
2014-02-14 01:05:49 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Car_Ramrod: "The fear is wealth tax, higher taxes, higher death taxes -- just more taxes until there is no more 1%," he said, as quoted by CNN Money. "And that that will creep down to the 5% and then the 10%."

Wut? How the fark does this guy have $8 billion?

He's kind of a mathematical anti-prodigy.  No matter how much you tax (and we should a lot) there's always a 1%.


You know what will happen if we tax the richest people more? They will still be the richest people.
 
2014-02-14 01:06:13 PM

Rann Xerox: Thomas James Perkins.
Eighty-two years old.

Evil in human form sure does live a long motherf*cking time.


Rupert Murdoch, perhaps the person still living who has done the most harm to the rest of the world, is into his 80s now, too.  Just die, motherfarker, die.
 
2014-02-14 01:08:44 PM

whidbey: Yeah but really you can make fun of this guy all you want, but there is an attitude in this country that the poor don't pay taxes at all, and that they're getting a free ride.

That bit of derp transcends point and laugh examples like this.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves for buying into it.


Historically speaking the poor have almost never paid taxes. Income and sales taxes allowed that.

As you go back through the centuries you will note that the wealthy (landowners) have almost always been the prime source of taxes. The Roman senate/emperor taxed the patricians in order to pay the army's wages and to provide bread and circuses for the poor. As the middle class developed tarrifs were used to include their wealth in supporting government, but it has been relatively recent for the poor to be paying taxes.
Of course you could also make an argument that the poor in the US aren't really all that poor.
 
2014-02-14 01:09:35 PM

Bloody William: I would like to hear a news story about a random man shattering Perkins' kneecap in the middle of the street, in broad daylight, and running away. These assholes never have to worry about paying their bills, losing their homes, what they'll do the next month. The least they could experience is the fear of random violence that they pretend exists for them. They need to feel vulnerable in some way.


Thing is, some developer could embezzle enough funds out of his bank accounts, build a few thousand homes in a suburb for the underhoused, and it wouldn't even impact Perkins' living standard one bit.
 
2014-02-14 01:09:43 PM

Wade_Wilson: So liberal, charitable Bill Gates (net worth 67 billion) should get about eight times the votes of Tom Perkins (net worth 8 billion)?


He introduced Steve Ballmer into this world so only 7x the votes
 
2014-02-14 01:12:29 PM
Absolutely, let's make it a sliding scale, and you must pay for the privilege.  

First vote is free.  Everyone participates.
Second vote is $1.
Third vote is $2.
Fourth is $8.
Fifth is $512.
Sixth is $134,217,728
Seventh is $2,417,851,639,229,258,349,412,352 .

And each one of these payments must be made for every race you cast a ballot in, and you must complete the ballot.  No abstentions unless you're only passing a single vote.  Got 15 races or proposals on the ballot?  Want 2 votes each?  $15 please.  3 votes each? $30 please.  Four? $120 please.  Five?  $2,560 please.  Six?  Hahahaha.

If you want to play, you must pay.
 
2014-02-14 01:14:06 PM

madgonad: Of course you could also make an argument that the poor in the US aren't really all that poor.


Dude go ahead. Make my day.
 
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