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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Remember that claim that Christie shutting down the bridge killed someone who couldn't get to a hospital? Yeah, those claims aren't really true, but good job trying   (startribune.com) divider line 281
    More: Followup, George Washington Bridge, Edgewater, bridge line, traffic collision, northern New Jersey  
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2014-02-14 09:49:24 AM  
Does it really matter at this point? He's a political untouchable and his national aspirations are a pile of ashes.
 
2014-02-14 09:50:44 AM  
So it's all OK then.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.
 
2014-02-14 10:01:06 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: So it's all OK then.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.


well no, he's still an asshole that abused his power, just the claims that that abuse killed someone indirectly is false.
 
2014-02-14 10:03:34 AM  
Except nobody made that claim.
 
2014-02-14 10:04:42 AM  
Oh ok... It's totally cool to create a giant clusterf*ck on one of the busiest roads in the world because some guy was mean to you or something then
 
2014-02-14 10:05:06 AM  
Sounds like we've got our front runner back!
 
2014-02-14 10:06:37 AM  
The lack of life-or-death consequences reflects good fortune, not good planning. It would have been impossible for anyone responsible to have predicted that such exasperating traffic would not cause serious emergencies for police, firefighters and paramedics.

Congratulations, Gov. Christie. You managed not to kill anybody while risking people's lives for petty political payback.
 
2014-02-14 10:07:13 AM  

Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.


Yeah this. At least no one of merit. But don't let facts get in the way of your Whiteknighting subby.
 
2014-02-14 10:07:38 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Does it really matter at this point?



You sound like a Clinton.
 
2014-02-14 10:07:52 AM  

Lord_Baull: Sounds like we've got our front runner back!


Hurrah! Go Christie

/ you fat fark
 
2014-02-14 10:08:16 AM  

someonelse: The lack of life-or-death consequences reflects good fortune, not good planning. It would have been impossible for anyone responsible to have predicted that such exasperating traffic would not cause serious emergencies for police, firefighters and paramedics.

Congratulations, Gov. Christie. You managed not to kill anybody while risking people's lives for petty political payback.


That's a step above the last Republican president.
 
2014-02-14 10:08:18 AM  
If a few brown people, with exotic sounding names and even a more exotic spice rack had pranked them with some cones out, a stalled car or two, or just hacked a few traffic computers --- and achieved the same result -- waterboarding would become an Olympic sport.
 
2014-02-14 10:08:27 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Oh ok... It's totally cool to create a giant clusterf*ck on one of the busiest roads in the world because some guy was mean to you or something then


I never have understood his motivation here. He was trying to stop people from seeing Romney or something?
 
2014-02-14 10:08:28 AM  
Now he needs to hope that none of his potential voters or their loved ones have ever needed emergency police/medical assistance.
 
2014-02-14 10:08:44 AM  

Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.


Funny, I read it a number of times.
 
2014-02-14 10:08:56 AM  
the only thing i heard was that an old lady died in an ambulance that day and her family said that she would have died anyway.

doesn't matter. christie is a farking prick and a petulant bully. he's done nationally. he may even be done in NJ.
 
2014-02-14 10:09:29 AM  

Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.


I think the strongest claim along those lines were "It might have maybe."  The vast majority of people who brought it up were just random people on the internet who would mostly concede that it wasn't likely the cause of death but it certainly didn't help.
 
2014-02-14 10:10:32 AM  
Pretty sure we covered this ground several times already - no, no one was killed, one old lady died, but response time wouldn't have made a difference in her case. However, response times were exacerbated by the traffic jam, and so (as the article says) it was only good fortune that prevented a tragedy, but there was a lot of potential risk there. Like a drunk diver just who managed to drive home without killing anyone this time, it was still stupidly putting others at risk.
 
2014-02-14 10:10:50 AM  
Yeah, no one claimed that. Closing the bridge did impair emergency response times, and one of the cases paramedics were delayed in getting to did involve an elderly woman that later died, but it was made clear pretty early she would have died anyway.

Nice try though.
 
2014-02-14 10:11:25 AM  
I remember the claim made.  I remember batting it around here on Fark.  I remember the woman's family coming out and saying that the bridge closure wasn't to blame.  I remember we moved on and said "well, someone in that office did something evil and partisan and corrupt and should swing for it, regardless of any death that may or may not have been caused."

That is the history as I see it, the history as it is.

//fro'back Friday?
 
2014-02-14 10:11:29 AM  

Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.


Uhh huh.
 
2014-02-14 10:12:27 AM  
We should now switch talking points to how many people shat their britches, being stuck on the bridge with no where to go.
 
2014-02-14 10:13:50 AM  

Fantasta Potamus: We should now switch talking points to how many people shat their britches, being stuck on the bridge with no where to go.


Switch from what talking point?  The one that existed for a hot second about 4 weeks ago?  Sure, if you like time travel.
 
2014-02-14 10:14:43 AM  
It didn't need to be true to accomplish its mission
 
2014-02-14 10:15:48 AM  
The claim that the woman died from the closure faded pretty quickly when her family said she didn't. It was followed with the claim that people were placed at risk, pretty much impossible to disprove.

And to prove the closure caused no deaths you'd have to examine every death within x miles and x days of the closure and determine that the closure played no role, something the AP did not do.
 
2014-02-14 10:15:53 AM  
Umm, Subby, what exactly is your point?
 
2014-02-14 10:16:09 AM  
Trying?  Subby must be only butthurtican left in America still trying to save the SS Christie from sinking
 
2014-02-14 10:16:10 AM  
Oh! Well then, nothing to see here. Move along.
 
2014-02-14 10:17:22 AM  
I don't remember that claim at all.

But then again, the troll-modmin knows that.

More Republican "messaging"
 
2014-02-14 10:17:32 AM  

Cymbal: Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.

Yeah this. At least no one of merit. But don't let facts get in the way of your Whiteknighting subby.


Seriously.
 
2014-02-14 10:17:56 AM  

Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.


Just the Star Ledger and a majority of the 'unbiased' media
 
2014-02-14 10:18:46 AM  
I don't remember Bill Clinton's perjury killing anyone either, that doesn't mean a) he shouldn't have been brought up for impeachment charges for it and b) that $44 million investigation wasn't a great use of funds.

//ok, that second one is very debatable
///blowjob - who cares; perjury - whoa there, Bubba
 
2014-02-14 10:18:53 AM  
I thought we settled this weeks ago when the story first broke?  Otherwise instead of just talking about abuse of power and corruption we'd be talking about abuse of power, corruption and murder.
 
2014-02-14 10:19:49 AM  

dantheman195: Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.

Just the Star Ledger and a majority of the 'unbiased' media


And they quickly abandoned it.  Is this the liberal media's Benghazi?  Because they got the story wrong at first and then let it go?

The horror, Dan, the horror.
 
2014-02-14 10:19:52 AM  

Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.


In all of her reporting on this, I don't recall Maddow saying that anyone died. I do remember hearing that someone had a heart attack and could have died, but there were no deaths as a result of the traffic study.
 
2014-02-14 10:20:08 AM  
 
2014-02-14 10:20:37 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The claim that the woman died from the closure faded pretty quickly when her family said she didn't. It was followed with the claim that people were placed at risk, pretty much impossible to disprove.

And to prove the closure caused no deaths you'd have to examine every death within x miles and x days of the closure and determine that the closure played no role, something the AP did not do.


Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

That's the sad state of our press nowadays. Hardly anyone wants to do any legwork or actual investigating. It's a lot easier to write an editorial loosely based on half-truths at best.
 
2014-02-14 10:20:55 AM  

Mercutio74: I thought we settled this weeks ago when the story first broke?  Otherwise instead of just talking about abuse of power and corruption we'd be talking about abuse of power, corruption and murder.


IANAL, but involuntary manslaughter I think, but yes, that's otherwise correct.
 
2014-02-14 10:21:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: So it's all OK then.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.


But... I'm stuck in traffic.
 
2014-02-14 10:21:45 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Does it really matter at this point? He's a political untouchable and his national aspirations are a pile of ashes.


Nah, a stupid scandal like this is going to help him. Shows he can govern through a investigation, stay focused and stay with his agenda.

Who this will hurt the most are the democrats in NJ who are turning this into a witch hunt on the tax payer dime. They are looking more and more petty by the day and a majority of Americans outside of Ft Lee NJ really don't care.
 
2014-02-14 10:23:25 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: Marcus Aurelius: So it's all OK then.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.

But... I'm stuck in traffic.


Welcome to New Jersey, it is like that here all the time!
 
2014-02-14 10:23:51 AM  

dantheman195: Lucky LaRue: Does it really matter at this point? He's a political untouchable and his national aspirations are a pile of ashes.

Nah, a stupid scandal like this is going to help him. Shows he can govern through a investigation, stay focused and stay with his agenda.

Who this will hurt the most are the democrats in NJ who are turning this into a witch hunt on the tax payer dime. They are looking more and more petty by the day and a majority of Americans outside of Ft Lee NJ really don't care.


National polling data says you are deliberately wrong, which is the worst kind of wrong, the kind that could have been avoided if you didn't have FoxNews spooge delivered directly to your eyeballs on a regular basis.
 
2014-02-14 10:25:59 AM  
At least we're admitting Christie shut down the bridge now.
 
2014-02-14 10:26:27 AM  

Cymbal: Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.

Yeah this. At least no one of merit.


If you check the FARKives, I am sure you'll find that accusation made by a number of people, particularly in the Politics tab.

Oh, right. No one of merit. Never mind. Good point.
 
2014-02-14 10:26:29 AM  

Cymbal: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The claim that the woman died from the closure faded pretty quickly when her family said she didn't. It was followed with the claim that people were placed at risk, pretty much impossible to disprove.

And to prove the closure caused no deaths you'd have to examine every death within x miles and x days of the closure and determine that the closure played no role, something the AP did not do.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

That's the sad state of our press nowadays. Hardly anyone wants to do any legwork or actual investigating. It's a lot easier to write an editorial loosely based on half-truths at best.


THIS.

Check Facebook.  Your teatard friends want you to know that Obama will not fly the flag at half mast for former ambassador Shirley Temple, but he had no problem doing it for Whitney Houston.

/know who really did that?
//Chris Christie.
 
2014-02-14 10:26:33 AM  

coeyagi: dantheman195: Dinki: Except nobody made that claim.

Just the Star Ledger and a majority of the 'unbiased' media

And they quickly abandoned it.  Is this the liberal media's Benghazi?  Because they got the story wrong at first and then let it go?

The horror, Dan, the horror.


They still reported it, they still made a false headline even with the facts in the article stated that the lady, a 92 year old woman having a heart attack, died at the hospital, and the woman's own daughter said the traffic that day had nothing to do with it.

I remember idiots on here saying the daughter must have been pro-Christie or someone from Christie's team 'paid her off' to lie to the reporters. lol you fools
 
2014-02-14 10:27:36 AM  

dantheman195: Lucky LaRue: Does it really matter at this point? He's a political untouchable and his national aspirations are a pile of ashes.

Nah, a stupid scandal like this is going to help him. Shows he can govern through a investigation, stay focused and stay with his agenda.

Who this will hurt the most are the democrats in NJ who are turning this into a witch hunt on the tax payer dime. They are looking more and more petty by the day and a majority of Americans outside of Ft Lee NJ really don't care.


You will need to tell this lie a few million more times to get someone to believe it. A megaphone or a caps lock key would help.
 
2014-02-14 10:28:03 AM  

JerseyTim: At least we're admitting Christie shut down the bridge now.


When did he do that?
 
2014-02-14 10:28:07 AM  
Congratulations, submitter. You've successfully reminded everyone what a dick move the bridge closure was. If your best defense is to claim "Hey, nobody died," it's probably better to shut the hell up about it and hope people forget.
 
2014-02-14 10:28:37 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The claim that the woman died from the closure faded pretty quickly when her family said she didn't. It was followed with the claim that people were placed at risk, pretty much impossible to disprove.

And to prove the closure caused no deaths you'd have to examine every death within x miles and x days of the closure and determine that the closure played no role, something the AP did not do.


So, until someone does a whole lot of work to disprove your personal hypothesis which is based on an assumption you've pulled out of thin air, you are going to believe it is gospel truth that Christie killed people with his tantrum?
 
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