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(Washington Post)   America pushes China on North Korean nukes, that were probably bought from Russia, because the whole idea is freaking out Japan and South Korea   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 23
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2014-02-14 09:43:58 AM
It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.
 
2014-02-14 10:03:02 AM
I'm pretty sure they got them from a kit in the back of a Popular Science mag.
 
2014-02-14 10:03:14 AM
How many goats did Best Korea trade for a Russian Nuke?
 
2014-02-14 10:03:45 AM
And everybody hates the Jews!
 
2014-02-14 10:17:17 AM

vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.


I thought they got their nuclear tech via Pakistan.
 
2014-02-14 10:24:15 AM

vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.


Unless spies stole it.  Russia doesn't really have much skin the game when it comes to the Korean problem, I highly doubt they want them to have nukes.
 
2014-02-14 10:28:21 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.

I thought they got their nuclear tech via Pakistan.


Seems much more likely that they got tech from Pakistan than bought nukes from Russia.
 
2014-02-14 10:28:57 AM

nekom: vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.

Unless spies stole it.  Russia doesn't really have much skin the game when it comes to the Korean problem, I highly doubt they want them to have nukes.


Russia has skin in the game. They're not keen on a crazy man having nukes on their border either.
 
2014-02-14 10:29:37 AM

vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.


The NK nuke tests so far have all been small potatoes---the bombs have been much weaker even than the first American test in 1945.  If NK bought nukes from Russia, then the Russians apparently really took them for a ride by selling defective merchandise.  Russian weapons would be WAY better than the crap the North Koreans have been building.
 
2014-02-14 10:34:51 AM

HMS_Blinkin: vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.

The NK nuke tests so far have all been small potatoes---the bombs have been much weaker even than the first American test in 1945.  If NK bought nukes from Russia, then the Russians apparently really took them for a ride by selling defective merchandise.  Russian weapons would be WAY better than the crap the North Koreans have been building.


That would be one reason to believe the Russians didn't sell them a nuke.
 
2014-02-14 10:35:12 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.

I thought they got their nuclear tech via Pakistan.


Tech isn't nukes. They still had several failed nuclear tests. It's unknown if they've even figured out how to make a device that can fit into a deliverable package. I suspect they can do the gun type "Little Boy" 25kt devices. Doing an implosion bomb is highly questionable, but will eventually happen.
 
2014-02-14 10:47:57 AM
vygramul:
Russia has skin in the game. They're not keen on a crazy man having nukes on their border either.

They're not as invested as China is.  I guess they do have some business interests, mostly importing slave labor for the logging industry but nothing they'd likely dig their heels in over.
 
2014-02-14 10:52:44 AM

nekom: vygramul:
Russia has skin in the game. They're not keen on a crazy man having nukes on their border either.

They're not as invested as China is.  I guess they do have some business interests, mostly importing slave labor for the logging industry but nothing they'd likely dig their heels in over.


I concur that China has a lot more interest in Korea, and some of it is malevolent. They've already tried rewriting history to argue the Chinese Commanderies of the years astride BCE/CE were some kind of annexation rather than the Han explicitly saying, "this isn't part of China, but we want to control our flank."

Of course, NK is doing all it can to irritate the Chinese, going so far as to basically write-out their participation in the Korean War in their textbooks.
 
2014-02-14 10:59:33 AM

vygramul: Of course, NK is doing all it can to irritate the Chinese, going so far as to basically write-out their participation in the Korean War in their textbooks.


Kim Il-Song wasn't much of a fan of the Chinese being involved in the Korean war, especially since they were in the middle of the heaviest fighting and the NK troops were literally sidelined to protect the coastal flanks.
 
2014-02-14 11:18:09 AM

somedude210: vygramul: Of course, NK is doing all it can to irritate the Chinese, going so far as to basically write-out their participation in the Korean War in their textbooks.

Kim Il-Song wasn't much of a fan of the Chinese being involved in the Korean war, especially since they were in the middle of the heaviest fighting and the NK troops were literally sidelined to protect the coastal flanks.


NK troops had had plenty of fighting. I don't see why getting his ass saved by the Chinese he would be anything but thankful.
 
2014-02-14 11:53:53 AM

vygramul: somedude210: vygramul: Of course, NK is doing all it can to irritate the Chinese, going so far as to basically write-out their participation in the Korean War in their textbooks.

Kim Il-Song wasn't much of a fan of the Chinese being involved in the Korean war, especially since they were in the middle of the heaviest fighting and the NK troops were literally sidelined to protect the coastal flanks.

NK troops had had plenty of fighting. I don't see why getting his ass saved by the Chinese he would be anything but thankful.


He had little man syndrome like crazy. Had his hands in every battleplan, constantly told the chinese he didn't need their help. He eve. Had the audacity to talk down to the direct chinese contacts they sent about chinese capabilities. The start of their full intervention was without his approval at first. I am in the middle of a large tome on the korean war and reading about kim is an interesting journey through megolomania.
 
2014-02-14 11:59:04 AM
Almost Everybody Poops: And everybody hates the Jews!

9.5 / 10.  Should have referenced 'Who's Next?' instead of 'National Brotherhood Week'.

/'Egypt's gonna get one too, just to use on You-Know-Who, so - Israel's getting tense, wants one in self-defense, "The Lord's Our Shepherd" says the Psalm, but just in case - We better get a bomb!'

//"We'll try to stay serene and calm, When *Alabama* gets the bomb!"
 
2014-02-14 11:59:16 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: vygramul: It's highly unlikely North Korea bought nukes from Russia.

I thought they got their nuclear tech via Pakistan.


Who is AQ Khan? I'll take terrorist politicians for $1000 Alex
 
2014-02-14 12:12:23 PM

HMS_Blinkin: If NK bought nukes from Russia, then the Russians apparently really took them for a ride by selling defective merchandise.


The Russians gave them a shoddy bomb casing full of used pinball machine parts.
 
2014-02-14 12:28:20 PM
HMS_Blinkin: then the Russians apparently really took them for a ride by selling defective merchandise.

'tweren't the Russians.  Some crazy old coot with wild white hair sold them a packing case full of used pinball machine parts.
 
2014-02-14 12:32:40 PM
Ambitwistor: The Russians gave them a shoddy bomb casing full of used pinball machine parts.

*shakes tiny fist*
  Yup, good call.

/tho', I don't want to think about trusting a Russian version of a DeLorean.
//plate cast iron body instead of stainless steel?
///but, I can see them doing the whole 'railroad wheels' thing and running it on vacuum tubes...
 
2014-02-14 02:20:18 PM
came to leave a comment but decided, not to
 
2014-02-14 07:20:21 PM
Are the nukes missing doors on the control panels? Perhaps someone installed an electrical outlet in the middle of the core?
 
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