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2014-02-14 10:01:08 AM  
You knew the rules and couldn't keep your pecker in your pants.... so stop whining.
 
2014-02-14 10:04:46 AM  
Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.
 
2014-02-14 10:05:20 AM  

dwrash: You knew the rules and couldn't keep your pecker in your pants.... so stop whining.


I think he was referring to his mother and grandparents.
 
2014-02-14 10:06:46 AM  
How about take the money they make from jerseys and such and pay each collegiate athlete a stipend/scholarship from that? Or use that to lower college tuition in general for everyone?
 
2014-02-14 10:07:29 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.


It's a shame it's illegal for them to negotiate with their employers for higher pay. That doesn't sound like a proper legal contract to me.
 
2014-02-14 10:08:07 AM  
Didn't he get a quality education at *giggle* South Carolina University for free?
 
2014-02-14 10:10:37 AM  

Lost Thought 00: DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.

It's a shame it's illegal for them to negotiate with their employers for higher pay. That doesn't sound like a proper legal contract to me.



They aren't employees, they're students on scholarship.  You can argue about the absurdity of that classification, but under the current circumstances the contract they've signed is fair and square.
 
2014-02-14 10:11:47 AM  
Get sports out of schools.  It's holding both institutions back.
 
2014-02-14 10:12:50 AM  
3 sacks and 11.5 tackles for the season and a first round pick? Those don't seem like good numbers to me.
 
2014-02-14 10:13:26 AM  

Lost Thought 00: DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.

It's a shame it's illegal for them to negotiate with their employers for higher pay. That doesn't sound like a proper legal contract to me.


They still wouldn't be able too.  Title IX all but assures that.  Sports like Football that make money subsidize things like field hockey and swimming that are money losers but HAVE to be offered.   The Feds would either have to pass a law restricting the amount the athletes could make or blow up Title IX and and let the schools kill off the programs that don't make money.
 
2014-02-14 10:13:42 AM  

stevie1der: Lost Thought 00: DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.

It's a shame it's illegal for them to negotiate with their employers for higher pay. That doesn't sound like a proper legal contract to me.


They aren't employees, they're students on scholarship.  You can argue about the absurdity of that classification, but under the current circumstances the contract they've signed is fair and square.


If they are classified as not employees, then that throws out the argument they've already received adequate compensation, because they school is effectively saying that the education has no direct dollar value.
 
2014-02-14 10:15:03 AM  
I like how college football fans enjoy to see two huge businesses, the NFL and NCAA/Conferences screw mostly poor kids.

The NFL uses college football as a free (to them) vetting system for their league, and the NCAA/Conferences/School use them as free advertisements and revenue generators for the rest of their programs.

Free Tuition = $0.  It costs them nothing to stick a kid in some classes
Free Room & Board? virtually worthless

The only thing they provide of any value is some training and the facilities to work out.

Why can't Clowney get an endorsement deal while at school?  He should be able to earn money off his own skills.
 
2014-02-14 10:15:24 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Lost Thought 00: DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.

It's a shame it's illegal for them to negotiate with their employers for higher pay. That doesn't sound like a proper legal contract to me.

They still wouldn't be able too.  Title IX all but assures that.  Sports like Football that make money subsidize things like field hockey and swimming that are money losers but HAVE to be offered.   The Feds would either have to pass a law restricting the amount the athletes could make or blow up Title IX and and let the schools kill off the programs that don't make money.


Except that's not true, Title IX sports are subsidized by tuition at every school in the country. Schools without major football programs still participate in Title IX
 
2014-02-14 10:18:59 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.


Yeah, a bachelor's degree is totally fair compensation for the millions the university made off him. Especially with no cash payments whatsoever.

Athletes like him make fortunes for their schools, and considrring the level of training that goes into that kind of performance, I doubt they get far above minimum wage on an hourly basis. Not to mention, in the case of football players there's a substantial likelihood of crippling injuries while playing for the school that could end players' pro prospects and be with them for the rest of their lives. AND the NCAA forbids them from using their athletic talents to make money outside school because god forbid they tarnish their sacred amateur status. They absolutely should be paid.
 
2014-02-14 10:19:08 AM  

wiseolddude: 3 sacks and 11.5 tackles for the season and a first round pick? Those don't seem like good numbers to me.


That was just in the first half
 
2014-02-14 10:24:31 AM  
So, Jadeveon, do you think you should have been paid for taking the season off until October this year?
 
2014-02-14 10:27:12 AM  

neon_god: Yeah, a bachelor's degree is totally fair compensation for the millions the university made off him. Especially with no cash payments whatsoever.

Athletes like him make fortunes for their schools, and considrring the level of training that goes into that kind of performance, I doubt they get far above minimum wage on an hourly basis. Not to mention, in the case of football players there's a substantial likelihood of crippling injuries while playing for the school that could end players' pro prospects and be with them for the rest of their lives. AND the NCAA forbids them from using their athletic talents to make money outside school because god forbid they tarnish their sacred amateur status. They absolutely should be paid.


I don't care if the school doesn't pay them, but they should not be forbidden from making money outside of the program.
 
2014-02-14 10:28:32 AM  
I recall getting a discount on my tuition because I had an academic scholarship. I had no idea I could biatch about not getting paid to go to class.
 
2014-02-14 10:31:08 AM  
My educational institutions made money off of me. During college, I did plenty of research that brought in grant money and donations. During graduate school, I saw patients for free while paying tuition. Why wasn't I fairly compensated for my work?
 
2014-02-14 10:32:27 AM  

WinoRhino: I recall getting a discount on my tuition because I had an academic scholarship. I had no idea I could biatch about not getting paid to go to class.


Were you forbidden from earning money outside of school?
 
2014-02-14 10:34:05 AM  

MugzyBrown: Were you forbidden from earning money outside of school?


Are athletes?
 
2014-02-14 10:36:09 AM  

The Muthaship: MugzyBrown: Were you forbidden from earning money outside of school?

Are athletes?


Yes.
 
2014-02-14 10:37:14 AM  
He's lying.  He wouldn't have stayed in school.  Even if paid for playing in college, how much is he going to make?  Not nearly as much as he will in the NFL.
Your body is only good enough to play sports for so many years.  Make your money, beat yourself to bits, and when you can't walk around anymore and spend the day sitting, you may as well spend that sitting time in a classroom.
 
2014-02-14 10:38:31 AM  

MugzyBrown: The Muthaship: MugzyBrown: Were you forbidden from earning money outside of school?

Are athletes?

Yes.


No they aren't.  They aren't allowed to earn money in certain ways (some of which are BS), but they are not forbidden from getting a job.
 
2014-02-14 10:39:01 AM  

MugzyBrown: The Muthaship: MugzyBrown: Were you forbidden from earning money outside of school?

Are athletes?

Yes.


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Of course they're not! Just look what this poor USC student-athlete had to resort to using as transportation back in '06!
 
2014-02-14 10:39:19 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.



They are working a job for the school.  Currently schools have a monopoly on minor league NFL sports, and they are the only way for someone in that "field" to get in.  Those schools with that monopoly are price-fixing the cost of labor and only offering a scholarship which is only equivalent to a paltry fraction of what the free market would demand for their labor.

These schools should have to pay their student workers a fair wage, determined by the free market instead of cutting a fat hog in the a-ss.  The scholarship they receive should only be PART of the compensation they are offered.  If they don't graduate that's their business because essentially they are being forced to take their work pay and spend it on tuition in this wacky minor league system.
 
2014-02-14 10:40:13 AM  

The Muthaship: MugzyBrown: Were you forbidden from earning money outside of school?

Are athletes?


Stanford's memo on SA jobs state that a Full Scholarship student "may earn $2,000 gross during any academic year." That amount was set in 1998 and has not increased since then, that I am aware of.
 
2014-02-14 10:40:15 AM  

The Muthaship: No they aren't.  They aren't allowed to earn money in certain ways (some of which are BS), but they are not forbidden from getting a job


They're limited to the amount of money they can make, and they can't get a job in the field of their profession.

They can't make money doing commercials or signing autographs or making public appearances, etc.
 
2014-02-14 10:42:21 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Lost Thought 00: DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.

It's a shame it's illegal for them to negotiate with their employers for higher pay. That doesn't sound like a proper legal contract to me.

They still wouldn't be able too.  Title IX all but assures that.  Sports like Football that make money subsidize things like field hockey and swimming that are money losers but HAVE to be offered.   The Feds would either have to pass a law restricting the amount the athletes could make or blow up Title IX and and let the schools kill off the programs that don't make money.


Title IX says that if you offer a program for men you have to offer the same program for women (or run a program where both can participate.)  It has nothing to do with _what_ programs you offer.
 
2014-02-14 10:42:35 AM  

WinoRhino: I recall getting a discount on my tuition because I had an academic scholarship. I had no idea I could biatch about not getting paid to go to class.


I'm sure the bookstore was selling a bunch of "WinoRhino" jerseys, too.
 
2014-02-14 10:44:13 AM  

machoprogrammer: How about take the money they make from jerseys and such and pay each collegiate athlete a stipend/scholarship from that? Or use that to lower college tuition in general for everyone?


You seem to think had Clowney not played this season, or ever, for USC, nobody would have bought a USC jersey, or no rabid fans would find another player to adore and whose jersey to buy?

Cheering for laundry, people...
 
2014-02-14 10:44:41 AM  

MugzyBrown: I like how college football fans enjoy to see two huge businesses, the NFL and NCAA/Conferences screw mostly poor kids.

The NFL uses college football as a free (to them) vetting system for their league, and the NCAA/Conferences/School use them as free advertisements and revenue generators for the rest of their programs.

Free Tuition = $0.  It costs them nothing to stick a kid in some classes
Free Room & Board? virtually worthless

The only thing they provide of any value is some training and the facilities to work out.


And what is functionally a farking job interview for a multi-million dollar career on national television, something that those of us who paid for school weren't given.
 
2014-02-14 10:44:52 AM  

taliesinwi: DoBeDoBeDo: Lost Thought 00: DoBeDoBeDo: Please do, then charge them for Tuition, Room and Board like every other student so we can hear them biatch about the cost of school.


You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.

It's a shame it's illegal for them to negotiate with their employers for higher pay. That doesn't sound like a proper legal contract to me.

They still wouldn't be able too.  Title IX all but assures that.  Sports like Football that make money subsidize things like field hockey and swimming that are money losers but HAVE to be offered.   The Feds would either have to pass a law restricting the amount the athletes could make or blow up Title IX and and let the schools kill off the programs that don't make money.

Title IX says that if you offer a program for men you have to offer the same program for women (or run a program where both can participate.)  It has nothing to do with _what_ programs you offer.


I think it also specifies how much more you can spend on boys sports or girls sports.
 
2014-02-14 10:44:52 AM  
I think at least students should get injury insurance, with their value related to their prospective draft value and money for things like going home and eating. Right now, these are things they have. Middle-class players like Blaine Gabbert get insurance, but poor players who can't afford it are farked if they have a career-killing injury. That isn't right.
 
2014-02-14 10:45:07 AM  

MugzyBrown: The Muthaship: No they aren't.  They aren't allowed to earn money in certain ways (some of which are BS), but they are not forbidden from getting a job

They're limited to the amount of money they can make, and they can't get a job in the field of their profession.

They can't make money doing commercials or signing autographs or making public appearances, etc.


I agree the rules are dumb, but they are allowed to make money.

As I said above, sports and schools don't really belong together.
 
2014-02-14 10:45:12 AM  
He should have gone and played in the CFL if he was that hard up for dough.  Somehow I think he earned more as a Gamecock than he would have made as a Rough Rider.  Call me cynical.
 
2014-02-14 10:45:47 AM  
My favorite exchange in  The Program
Lernihan:
But this is not a football vocational school. It's an Institute of Higher Learning!
Coach Winters:  Yeah, but when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to watch a kid do a chemistry experiment?
 
2014-02-14 10:46:05 AM  
these *aren't* things they have.
 
2014-02-14 10:46:37 AM  

MugzyBrown: neon_god: Yeah, a bachelor's degree is totally fair compensation for the millions the university made off him. Especially with no cash payments whatsoever.

Athletes like him make fortunes for their schools, and considrring the level of training that goes into that kind of performance, I doubt they get far above minimum wage on an hourly basis. Not to mention, in the case of football players there's a substantial likelihood of crippling injuries while playing for the school that could end players' pro prospects and be with them for the rest of their lives. AND the NCAA forbids them from using their athletic talents to make money outside school because god forbid they tarnish their sacred amateur status. They absolutely should be paid.

I don't care if the school doesn't pay them, but they should not be forbidden from making money outside of the program.


I do want to see them paid, but yeah, they should  at least be able to sign endorsement deals, etc.

DubyaHater: My educational institutions made money off of me. During college, I did plenty of research that brought in grant money and donations. During graduate school, I saw patients for free while paying tuition. Why wasn't I fairly compensated for my work?


I'd argue that you should have been. I know up her in the Democratic People's Republic of Canuckistan, grad students are unionized. I always got paid a decent hourly rate for my research assistant work in grad school.
 
2014-02-14 10:47:00 AM  

EyeballKid: machoprogrammer: How about take the money they make from jerseys and such and pay each collegiate athlete a stipend/scholarship from that? Or use that to lower college tuition in general for everyone?

You seem to think had Clowney not played this season, or ever, for USC, nobody would have bought a USC jersey, or no rabid fans would find another player to adore and whose jersey to buy?

Cheering for laundry, people...


Right ... if a school has a bunch of shiatty football players, they're going to have just as much fans buying merch.  Sounds legit.  Back in reality, when a school stops winning, fans don't buy their shiat as much or pay to come to games.
 
2014-02-14 10:49:38 AM  

EyeballKid: machoprogrammer: How about take the money they make from jerseys and such and pay each collegiate athlete a stipend/scholarship from that? Or use that to lower college tuition in general for everyone?

You seem to think had Clowney not played this season, or ever, for USC, nobody would have bought a USC jersey, or no rabid fans would find another player to adore and whose jersey to buy?

Cheering for laundry, people...


Performance on the field definitely relates to revenue. UVA was quite good a decade ago, and sold all their tickets at higher prices. Then five years ago they really were sucking, and made the tickets free to grad students where before they weren't. Some school may not swing as hard, but yeah, winning records have monetary value, and some players contribute more to winning records.
 
2014-02-14 10:49:39 AM  

lilplatinum: .

And what is functionally a farking job interview for a multi-million dollar career on national television, something that those of us who paid for school weren't given.


If you were really good in your field at school, you would be given an inside track at an interview for a high paying job, but during your interview, you probably won't be crippled and lose the ability to every work in your field.
 
2014-02-14 10:51:49 AM  

MugzyBrown: lilplatinum: .

And what is functionally a farking job interview for a multi-million dollar career on national television, something that those of us who paid for school weren't given.

If you were really good in your field at school, you would be given an inside track at an interview for a high paying job, but during your interview, you probably won't be crippled and lose the ability to every work in your field.


Yea, that's what gets me. These players generate millions in revenue, and even if they have the talent, they could get crippled before they get an opportunity while generating that value. And then that's just bad luck, and they get nothing. I get life isn't fair, but we don't have to try to make it worse than it is.
 
2014-02-14 10:53:51 AM  

Qellaqan: MugzyBrown: lilplatinum: .

And what is functionally a farking job interview for a multi-million dollar career on national television, something that those of us who paid for school weren't given.

If you were really good in your field at school, you would be given an inside track at an interview for a high paying job, but during your interview, you probably won't be crippled and lose the ability to every work in your field.

Yea, that's what gets me. These players generate millions in revenue, and even if they have the talent, they could get crippled before they get an opportunity while generating that value. And then that's just bad luck, and they get nothing. I get life isn't fair, but we don't have to try to make it worse than it is.


Although that might make up for the incredible luck that comes with getting to go to college for free with very little book-opening.
 
2014-02-14 10:54:04 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: You DID get paid, you CHOSE to forego the final payment (that of a degree) to go to a higher paying job.


This is such crap.  These people have NO interest in school.  A degree in whatever baloney major they cook up to keep him eligible while he's working his ass off for them for no meaningful compensation is not payment.  He's not going to get a job with his 2.0 average in Afro-American Cinema Studies, a curriculum made up of independent study courses where they watch scholarly movies about the AA experience, or whatever SEC poop degree he might receive.

The only PAYMENT you could even pretend players like this (guaranteed Pros) really receive is in coaching and national exposure, but even then you pay the coach a few million a year, and you're RAKING in profits off this kid playing in your program.  We're talking reaping like 30 million in PROFIT from his play.  Programs like Bama literally bring in 200 million a year.  If giving them a portion of the proceeds cuts into your bottom line well... you're still obscenely profitable.  Fund yourself in other ways.

The NCAA basically worked out a way to make itself a hugely successful minor league for the NFL, and its members make money hand over fist by running these programs.  If you want to go that route for revenue go ahead, but you should be paying the team a percentage based on play time or something.
 
2014-02-14 10:57:42 AM  

EyeballKid: Although that might make up for the incredible luck that comes with getting to go to college for free with very little book-opening.


You think it's lucky a kid gets a full scholarship at a division 1 school?

That's your problem, your envy is showing.  These guys work their asses off for several years just to get to that point.
 
2014-02-14 10:59:15 AM  

MugzyBrown: You think it's lucky a kid gets a full scholarship at a division 1 school?That's your problem, your envy is showing. These guys work their asses off for several years just to get to that point.


They get to go to an institute for higher learning because of their amazing ability to play a game.

Which colleges would have accepted my high scores on Sonic 2 with my transcripts, again?
 
2014-02-14 11:00:32 AM  
Summary of Prop 62

I didn't see the detail here, but I've seen mention of "vacation" jobs being exempt, I'm assuming this means money earned working during summer and winter breaks are exempt from the $2000 limit.
Also, Another source mentioned the total is $2000 Gross, not net.  So depending on your location you're potentially looking at, what, $1500?

article on some NCAA Conference officials and directors' pay

NCAA Director Mark Emmert makes $1.6 Million, modest compared to a CEO, but much more than the products earn
 
2014-02-14 11:01:17 AM  

MugzyBrown: lilplatinum: .

And what is functionally a farking job interview for a multi-million dollar career on national television, something that those of us who paid for school weren't given.

If you were really good in your field at school, you would be given an inside track at an interview for a high paying job,


Not with the ease of a televised athlete.  I did well out of school but I had to actually go out an interview, I didn't have the garunteed millions of being an NFL draft prospect just driven up to me in a dump truck.

Plus, if their ideal job didn't pan out they got a free degree out of it, which is a necessity to get decent work in most fields these days.   So boo-farking-hoo to them.

but during your interview, you probably won't be crippled and lose the ability to every work in your field.

Probably not, but then again I didn't make the choice to go in a physically dangerous avenue on the off chance it would net me a huge payday.  These people did.  Boo hoo to them, they can go push papers and make a small amount of money if it's too dangerous.
 
2014-02-14 11:05:52 AM  

lilplatinum: I did well out of school but I had to actually go out an interview, I didn't have the garunteed millions of being an NFL draft prospect just driven up to me in a dump truck.


That's because you aren't as good at anything as these kids are at football.  The odds of being that good at football are about 1 million to 1.  Part of getting to that point for most of them is an incredible effort of training non stop their entire life and being under the microscope by the public the entire time and being scrutinized any time they show their age.  Nobody gave them anything.  I'm an engineer myself, and never had the athletic ability these guys do, but it amazes me how many fellow nerds turn so green with envy when it comes to talking about athletes.
 
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