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(Coming Soon)   You know what's always an encouraging sign for a live-action remake of something popular? A director who hates the source material   (comingsoon.net) divider line 96
    More: Asinine, Jaume Collet-Serra, Katsuhiro Otomo, Akira, The Skinny, Kaneda, Liam Neeson, Garrett Hedlund, Joel Silver  
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2014-02-14 09:51:01 AM
That's what he said, alright.

Collet-Serra: It's great that they're waiting for me. It's different, because you have to be respectful of the source material. Otomo adapted his own work from a manga into an anime and both things are completely different and genius.
 
2014-02-14 10:23:43 AM
before the studio decided $90 million was too big a gamble for an admittedly oddball project with subversive political undertones and heady sci-fi concepts galore.

Yeah, remember that "The Matrix" flop?
 
2014-02-14 10:54:23 AM
Well, they gave JJ star trek for some reason.
 
2014-02-14 11:01:49 AM
My first exposure to Akira was the movie, (english dub) blew me away as a kid.  Read the manga years later and it is amazing and really fleshes out the characters and story, looking back at the movie since then I can appreciate what they did and what they had to cut out to make a story that wasnt too long but still hit upon key points.

I think a live action adaptation could be great but more than likely it will fail on all levels.
 
2014-02-14 11:01:52 AM
Does it even matter? Remaking this movie in a manner pleasing to fans would be like trying to climb Everest on a pogo stick with a baby grand piano strapped to your back. There's no hope of success, and it's foolish even to consider trying.

So yeah, give this project to whomever is crazy or desperate enough to take it on, hope he shiats something out that is decent enough to release in the summer, let the otaku rage about it inevitably and incessantly, and cross your fingers that something about the film will hit with the general public and it'll make some money. If it does, great, start the Akira 2 and 3 talk. If not, move onto the next property.
 
2014-02-14 11:05:14 AM
I think you cannot make a movie about "Akira" and hope that everyone understands it.

Than why bother?
 
2014-02-14 11:05:30 AM
They already remade Akira. It was called Chronicle, and it was pretty good.
 
2014-02-14 11:10:11 AM
Tim Burton (any comic book film)

Odd that when his Batman film was released everyone liked it.  Then he goes on record saying he doesn't like comics.

I would've love to have seen his Nicholas Cage Superman film...if anything for the "WTF did I just see" factor.
 
2014-02-14 11:10:51 AM

You Are All Sheep: Well, they gave JJ Nicholas Meyer star trek for some reason.


FIFY revisionists
 
2014-02-14 11:12:26 AM
This is a movie that does not need to be made.
 
2014-02-14 11:15:06 AM

You Are All Sheep: Well, they gave JJ star trek for some reason.


Because he and Spielberg are asshole buddies and even though Spielberg doesn't have the rights to Star Trek or Star Wars, he can make a phone call and make shiat happen.
 
2014-02-14 11:16:56 AM

error 303: They already remade Akira. It was called Chronicle, and it was pretty good.


This.

Andrew Detmer would make a good Tetsuo.  Not sure who would be a good pick for Kaneda
 
2014-02-14 11:18:01 AM

ristst: Odd that when his Batman film was released everyone liked it.  Then he goes on record saying he doesn't like comics.


I'd direct a gay porno if I was offered what Burton was probably offered for Batman.

/insert 'you'd direct a gay porno for a case of beer' joke here
 
2014-02-14 11:18:34 AM
Edit:  I meant Dane DeHaan.  Did a rushed IMDB search and used his name in Chronicle.
 
2014-02-14 11:18:56 AM
"A director who hates the source material", you say? It worked for "Starship Troupers".

sort of
 
2014-02-14 11:20:18 AM

error 303: They already remade Akira. It was called Chronicle, and it was pretty good.


I've never seen Akira but Chronicle looked like a ripoff of The Craft.
 
2014-02-14 11:20:42 AM
And here I thought the article was going to be about Michael Bay and the new TMNT movie.  Wait, I mean, TANT movie.
 
2014-02-14 11:21:02 AM
I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence. Is that basically the appeal? Or is it the love for anime style over substance? It's like drenching yourself in a 13 year old boy's hormones for 90-minutes or whatever however long it is.

Not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but what am I missing ...
 
2014-02-14 11:22:40 AM

error 303: They already remade Akira. It was called Chronicle, and it was pretty good.


THIS. That final showdown was pretty-much what I imagined a live-action Akira would look like. Minus the body-morphing.

The best way to make a good live-action Akira, if that's possible, is to make it in context of today's world. Akira, the movie and manga, was a product of its time. You'd need to adapt the story to today's fears. The basic philosophies and heady concepts would remain untouched, but the medium and metaphors would change.

If the movie keeps the spirit of the series, and understands why people loved the story in the first place, I think it can be a good movie.
 
2014-02-14 11:24:07 AM

StopLurkListen: I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence. Is that basically the appeal? Or is it the love for anime style over substance? It's like drenching yourself in a 13 year old boy's hormones for 90-minutes or whatever however long it is.

Not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but what am I missing ...


There's a ridiculous amount of plot to it. In the manga

Just it's not easy to translate 6 massive tomes of a manga into a single 90 minute movie without losing a lot.
 
2014-02-14 11:27:51 AM
This must have been what happened with Shyamalan and The Last Air Bender.
 
2014-02-14 11:28:51 AM

ZMugg: "A director who hates the source material", you say? It worked for "Starship Troupers".

sort of


In all fairness there was copious amounts of teh nudidity in that one....rendering most any complaint I had moot.

/I would've even liked Peter Jackson's LotR if it had a few nekkid elf chicks
 
2014-02-14 11:33:18 AM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-02-14 11:33:46 AM

ristst: ZMugg: "A director who hates the source material", you say? It worked for "Starship Troupers".

sort of

In all fairness there was copious amounts of teh nudidity in that one....rendering most any complaint I had moot.

/I would've even liked Peter Jackson's LotR if it had a few nekkid elf chicks


Dina Meyer....mmm. She's not even supermodel hot or anything, there's just something about her. And then in true Verhoeven fashion, she's violently and brutally slaughtered because she's a female (spoilers).
 
2014-02-14 11:36:19 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: That's what he said, alright.

Collet-Serra: It's great that they're waiting for me. It's different, because you have to be respectful of the source material. Otomo adapted his own work from a manga into an anime and both things are completely different and genius.


You should have kept reading:

I hope that I can bring strong characters. In the original source material, I don't think the main characters are the protagonists. What I'm hoping is to bring characters.
...
Nobody's interesting. Tetsuo's interesting because weird sh*t happens to him, and Kaneda is so two-dimensional. That's part of the Japanese culture, they never have strong characters. They're used as a way to move the other philosophy forward.


Fark the source material, fark its original intent, I'm putting in characters people can relate to because fark the philosophy!
 
2014-02-14 11:36:54 AM

Mugato: You Are All Sheep: Well, they gave JJ star trek for some reason.

Because he and Spielberg are asshole buddies and even though Spielberg doesn't have the rights to Star Trek or Star Wars, he can make a phone call and make shiat happen.


Muh huh, keep telling yourself that and ignore that Paramount had a development deal with Abrams (M:I:III, etc).
 
2014-02-14 11:44:42 AM

StopLurkListen: I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence. Is that basically the appeal? Or is it the love for anime style over substance? It's like drenching yourself in a 13 year old boy's hormones for 90-minutes or whatever however long it is.

Not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but what am I missing ...


You mean other than the "Frankenstein" element to it?
 
2014-02-14 11:47:40 AM

StopLurkListen: I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence. Is that basically the appeal? Or is it the love for anime style over substance? It's like drenching yourself in a 13 year old boy's hormones for 90-minutes or whatever however long it is.
Not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but what am I missing ...


i've seen it several times, and for me personally, the heart of the movie is the things that are left unsaid about kaneda and tetsuo's friendship.  the brief flashback at the end of the movie where we see them meet in elementary school gave you just the glimpse of their relationship, and it feeds back on the rest of the movie when you realize how screwed up tetsuo was with all his jealousy of kaneda their whole lives.  the little things in the movie have such a resonance, but they are lost amongst the violence and bombast.  the short scene where the general thinks that kiyoko is injured, you see that he really is concerned about the welfare of the "old" children.  it gives his whole character another layer.  even the relationship between roy and kay is only briefly alluded to, and it feels like there is so much going on behind the scenes with all the other characters.  it almost seems that the main plot of the film is like a metaphor for what is happening with the characters internally.  i dunno, maybe i'm just looking too much into it.
 
2014-02-14 11:51:17 AM

enderthexenocide: m meet in elementary school gave you just the glimpse of their relationship, and it feeds back on the rest of the movie when you realize how screwed up tetsuo was with all his jealousy of kaneda their whole lives. the little things in the movie have such a resonance, but they are lost amongst the violence and bombast. the short scene where the general thinks that kiyoko is injured, you see that he really is concerned about the welfare of the "old" children. it gives his whole character another layer. even the relationship between roy and kay is only briefly alluded to, and it feels like there is so much going on



Or a 30 vol manga was crammed into a standard length film.
 
2014-02-14 11:54:56 AM

enderthexenocide: StopLurkListen: I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence. Is that basically the appeal? Or is it the love for anime style over substance? It's like drenching yourself in a 13 year old boy's hormones for 90-minutes or whatever however long it is.
Not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but what am I missing ...

i've seen it several times, and for me personally, the heart of the movie is the things that are left unsaid about kaneda and tetsuo's friendship.  the brief flashback at the end of the movie where we see them meet in elementary school gave you just the glimpse of their relationship, and it feeds back on the rest of the movie when you realize how screwed up tetsuo was with all his jealousy of kaneda their whole lives.  the little things in the movie have such a resonance, but they are lost amongst the violence and bombast.  the short scene where the general thinks that kiyoko is injured, you see that he really is concerned about the welfare of the "old" children.  it gives his whole character another layer.  even the relationship between roy and kay is only briefly alluded to, and it feels like there is so much going on behind the scenes with all the other characters.  it almost seems that the main plot of the film is like a metaphor for what is happening with the characters internally.  i dunno, maybe i'm just looking too much into it.


My take on Akira was that it's a coming of age story gone wrong, and it also had a bunch of cool action and gore. I haven't see it since highschool though, and never read the manga. I don't really intend on seeing it again, I remember enjoying it and imagine that if I saw it again I'd like it a lot less...
 
2014-02-14 11:55:00 AM

Codenamechaz: StopLurkListen: I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence. Is that basically the appeal? Or is it the love for anime style over substance? It's like drenching yourself in a 13 year old boy's hormones for 90-minutes or whatever however long it is.

Not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but what am I missing ...

There's a ridiculous amount of plot to it. In the manga

Just it's not easy to translate 6 massive tomes of a manga into a single 90 minute movie without losing a lot.


Plus, they made the movie before the manga was finished. The movie is pretty much the manga volumes 1-3 or something like that.

And honestly, after reading the entire manga series a few years ago, I was less than impressed. I agree with this director who talks about not liking the characters. I get that it's good, and there's a lot of good ideas in those tomes, but I think that a good movie could jettison most of the manga's plot and improve on the story. It's like how in many ways the Lord of the Rings movies are better than the books. The Akira mangas have a lot of Tom Bombadil in there that just isn't needed.

That's why a fan might be the worst person to make an adaptation. After all, Bryan Singer's Superman Returns was made from pure fan-love, and that movie did not hold up so well. You need to find a balance between respecting the canon and being too beholden to it.

That doesn't mean you can't have stupid ideas, though, The first Akira treatment that I read definitely sucked, and I'm glad that one didn't see the light of day.
 
2014-02-14 11:57:59 AM
I saw it. Thought it was an average cartoon movie with no need to ever be revisited.
 
2014-02-14 12:02:43 PM
Geek Shriek to eleven.
 
2014-02-14 12:14:15 PM

StopLurkListen: I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence. Is that basically the appeal? Or is it the love for anime style over substance? It's like drenching yourself in a 13 year old boy's hormones for 90-minutes or whatever however long it is.

Not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but what am I missing ...


Same here. I heard about Akira for years about how it's some amazing movie. I finally watched it a few years ago and I was very underwhelmed. The plot seemed like a clusterfark. Now, if I frame myself in the 80s then I can see the appeal in the same way that Scarface made it's mark. Another movie that I was underwhelmed by. When both movies came out there really wasn't anything else like it. It was a smack in the face that you wasn't expecting.

But today it just seems like a mangled movie. Like they tried to compress too much story into a small package and farked the whole thing up.

I wouldn't mind a live remake given what's possible visually today. Just get someone who knows what they're doing for the screenplay and direction.

For all the shiat it got Speed Racer was a great love letter to the show. The live Initial D was ok but it strayed from the source material. It casually summed up the first two seasons in a single movie. But it made some big character and plot changes in order for the think to work better as a movie. I understand that. It's Initial D inspired, but it strays too far from the source to make a real fan happy.

The Dragon Ball movie was a travesty.

Deathnote was ok. It did a decent job summing up the first half (and only legitimate part as far as I'm concerned) of the manga. They had to make some character and plot changes to make it work in the shorter format of 2 movies but it turned out pretty well even so. I saw both of those here in the US in it's very, very short theater run. T'was awesome.

I'd love to see a good live action Battle Angel Alita/Gunnm movie. Maybe a mini series is better for that one, though.

/Princess Mononoke did live up to it's hype.
 
2014-02-14 12:15:01 PM

peterthx: Muh huh, keep telling yourself that and ignore that Paramount had a development deal with Abrams (M:I:III, etc).


Yeah, they would normally give Star Trek to someone who  directed a tentpole film that ifit wasn't for the foreign market would have been a bomb. And then there's the "Paramount owned Star Wars" franchise.
 
2014-02-14 12:25:40 PM

Mugato: You Are All Sheep: Well, they gave JJ star trek for some reason.

Because he and Spielberg are asshole buddies and even though Spielberg doesn't have the rights to Star Trek or Star Wars, he can make a phone call and make shiat happen.


For farks sake let it go, Jesus farking god damn Christ.

The Abrams trek movies have been grossly successful and even he said the lens flare was over done.

They are just as rampagingly stupid and full of plot holes as the originals and next generation.
 
2014-02-14 12:26:41 PM
While he didn't say he hated the source material, he certainly doesn't think too highly of Japanese writing.
 
2014-02-14 12:38:29 PM
Agree that Chronicle was the closest thing ton an Akira adaptation as well as Pacific Rim was the closest thing to an Evangelion adaptation.

There is no need to try to adapt every single anime-comic-manga-cartoon out there into a film. Some works of fiction are fine the way they are.

Now, taking the elements and themes frome those animes-comics-mangas-cartoons and use them in a new spin or in a new light, THAT could be interesting...

/Re-tell Rurouni Kenshin as an Irak veteran instead of a Meiji Restoration swordsman and it could work as a new story...
 
2014-02-14 12:40:42 PM

kroonermanblack: For farks sake let it go, Jesus farking god damn Christ.

The Abrams trek movies have been grossly successful and even he said the lens flare was over done.

They are just as rampagingly stupid and full of plot holes as the originals and next generation.


I don't give a shiat about the lens flares. But I'd say they were as badly written as only 3 of the TNG movies.
 
2014-02-14 12:43:49 PM

kroonermanblack: Mugato: You Are All Sheep: Well, they gave JJ star trek for some reason.

Because he and Spielberg are asshole buddies and even though Spielberg doesn't have the rights to Star Trek or Star Wars, he can make a phone call and make shiat happen.

For farks sake let it go, Jesus farking god damn Christ.

The Abrams trek movies have been grossly successful and even he said the lens flare was over done.


And yet he keeps doing it.  I recently saw an advertisement for some drama series he's working on now and the whole damn thing was full of lens flare.
 
2014-02-14 12:44:25 PM
That's part of the Japanese culture, they never have strong characters.

Yeah, who trusted this guy with a project like Akira?  It's like handing a sculptor a contract to make a new Mona Lisa.
 
2014-02-14 12:47:15 PM

StopLurkListen: I don't get the love for Akira. No plot, lots of violence.


Akira is loaded with plot. We obviously didn't watch the same film.
 
2014-02-14 12:48:48 PM
They should have given the project to the Wachowskis.  The wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Anime and Manga clubs of America would have been biblical.
 
2014-02-14 01:00:56 PM

Robo Beat: They should have given the project to the Wachowskis.  The wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Anime and Manga clubs of America would have been biblical.


And the film might probably be great, so long as they have a decent veto power on staff.  Of course even it was, the people who hate them would hate the film...  loudly.
 
2014-02-14 01:28:09 PM
Akira is a landmark of animation.  Storytelling....  eh, not so much.  It suffers from the same ailment most japanese films suffer from - they have no farking clue how to tell a story, so much of the film meanders and goes nowhere.

the final confrontation boils down to what feels like an hour of "KANEDA!  TETSUO!" yelling.  Don't even try to deny it.

i love me some anime, but I watch it for the often incredible animation, because I hate to break it to you nerds, but japanese storytelling is farking horrible.

/one of my favorite anime movies, the girl who leapt thru time,  has pretty much the same problem.  long scenes that do nothing and go nowhere.  hell, they ALL have that problem.
 
2014-02-14 01:28:17 PM

DarkPascual: Agree that Chronicle was the closest thing ton an Akira adaptation as well as Pacific Rim was the closest thing to an Evangelion adaptation.


Mugato: Yeah, remember that "The Matrix" flop?


These both play on the same thing.  People can accept original content(even if it's lightly veiled like Pacific Rim/Evangelion and The Matrix/Neuromancer). People get pissed about adapting existing work and make their minds up negatively and vocally before they even see the finished product, and even if the product is good they shiat all over it because of changes to the source.  There are people out there that are still upset about Ian McKellen playing Magneto because his age and physique differs from the comics.  Changing Akira won't work, but Akira as it stands right now doesn't really fit, either.  It's a cultural period piece.  Pacific Rim manages to make the film character based, while we all know Evangelion is both about the mechs and the deeper guilt from the sins of humanity(which is kind of Japan's thing), and the characters are just metaphors for the various emotions and concepts involved.
 
2014-02-14 01:38:11 PM
Hopefully this will kill the project. Anyone who thinks a live action remake of this wouldve worked is deluding themselves.
 
2014-02-14 01:39:55 PM

frepnog: Akira is a landmark of animation.  Storytelling....  eh, not so much.  It suffers from the same ailment most japanese films suffer from - they have no farking clue how to tell a story, so much of the film meanders and goes nowhere.


This may be a dumb question but it's been eating at me since I discovered I don't really like JRPGs any more. Does Japanese culture take a much more "come along for a ride" approach to media stuff like this, in that, if the characters seem to understand what's happening, and if they seem to be reacting, and if it matters to them, then the audience can just accept and enjoy it?

So many times now when I watch anime or play JRPGs I just sit around thinking that everything seems so convoluted that I don't even know whats important or really care whats happening, but Japanese critics/reviewrs/whatever seem to have no problem just accepting insanity and non-sensical plot lines without a second thought... I mean, is there some cultural thing where a Japanese audience is able to set aside what Western audiences find confusing or weird?

In short, is there some underlying reason that I can hear some people say "This game/anime/manga/whatever is so awesome and deep and action packed!" while I'm sitting here thinking "Whats happening, why is it happening, and why should I care?"
 
2014-02-14 01:48:01 PM

error 303: frepnog: Akira is a landmark of animation.  Storytelling....  eh, not so much.  It suffers from the same ailment most japanese films suffer from - they have no farking clue how to tell a story, so much of the film meanders and goes nowhere.

This may be a dumb question but it's been eating at me since I discovered I don't really like JRPGs any more. Does Japanese culture take a much more "come along for a ride" approach to media stuff like this, in that, if the characters seem to understand what's happening, and if they seem to be reacting, and if it matters to them, then the audience can just accept and enjoy it?

So many times now when I watch anime or play JRPGs I just sit around thinking that everything seems so convoluted that I don't even know whats important or really care whats happening, but Japanese critics/reviewrs/whatever seem to have no problem just accepting insanity and non-sensical plot lines without a second thought... I mean, is there some cultural thing where a Japanese audience is able to set aside what Western audiences find confusing or weird?

In short, is there some underlying reason that I can hear some people say "This game/anime/manga/whatever is so awesome and deep and action packed!" while I'm sitting here thinking "Whats happening, why is it happening, and why should I care?"



A lot of asian culture is found in the sharing the story or the journey, not in the individuality.  A lot of their popular culture reflects this.  So many times the narrative is simply a window for the observer to come along.  Everything doesn't get explained like in the west.
 
2014-02-14 01:48:13 PM

error 303: Japanese critics/reviewrs/whatever seem to have no problem just accepting insanity and non-sensical plot lines without a second thought...


it boils down to this, really - when no one can tell a coherent story, then everyone thinks that is just how it is and no one will say anything.

did you happen to see that Simpsons recently when comic book guy fell for the japanese chick?  she said it best (about the japanese culture) - "we know our baseball fences are too close....  but no one says anything".

take Hayao Miyazaki's stuff, for instance.  Beautiful animation.  NOT ONE COHERENT STORY in any of his films.
 
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