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(The Local)   Teenager charged for "endangering lives" after he made a aerial film of his city using a go-pro camera attached to a drone   (thelocal.fr) divider line 147
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2014-02-14 09:47:44 AM
I like these, "I broke the law, but I shouldn't be punished" threads.
 
2014-02-14 10:06:13 AM
But it's for art!

Sounds like some snowflake has too much time and money on his hands.
 
2014-02-14 10:06:16 AM
To be fair, that sounds like the actions of a teenager with no life
 
2014-02-14 10:06:20 AM
When did it become a thing to call remote control helicopters, "drones"?
 
2014-02-14 10:06:45 AM
I liked these, "Stupid laws that limit our freedom must be obeyed" threads.
 
2014-02-14 10:07:19 AM
It's dangerous! It could kill someone! I don't like it! Arrest him!. At least until this becomes commonplace, then it's nothing.
 
2014-02-14 10:07:30 AM
What's the line between a drone and a remote controlled air plane in France?
(and in the US)
 
2014-02-14 10:08:31 AM
Heil, Amerikans. Conform or be eliminated.
 
2014-02-14 10:09:38 AM
I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.
 
2014-02-14 10:10:18 AM
It used to be called rigging a mini camera to a remote controlled helicopter
 
2014-02-14 10:12:05 AM
Well its in a lefty European country and not shrub era US so its not Fascism.
 
2014-02-14 10:12:19 AM
Ignorance of the law is no way to go through life, son.
 
2014-02-14 10:12:48 AM
The death penalty is too good for this miscreant.
 
2014-02-14 10:12:58 AM
All he had to do was put bombs on it and say he was hunting terrorists
 
2014-02-14 10:13:04 AM
I'm not able to view the video from work.  Can someone define "small drone"?  Are we talking about a light small remote control helicopter or model plane, or some sort of 10lb+ aircraft?  Because if it's something fairly large and heavy, I get their point.  But if this is a 2lb model plane with a webcam on it, they need to examine their silly regulations.
 
2014-02-14 10:14:13 AM
James Clapper put in a call to see if they could get the kid a job.
 
2014-02-14 10:15:46 AM

Satanic_Hamster: What's the line between a drone and a remote controlled air plane in France?
(and in the US)


In France, it's pronounced "dro-nay".
 
2014-02-14 10:16:25 AM

DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.


Under that logic I can shine lasers into the cockpits of planes trying to land or constantly shoot large model rockets into the flight paths of planes.  Or go drunk driving.
 
2014-02-14 10:16:29 AM

styckx: When did it become a thing to call remote control helicopters, "drones"?


Autonomy.
 
2014-02-14 10:16:41 AM
Good video. Could have left out his buddy on the skateboard.
 
2014-02-14 10:16:42 AM

DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.


What about drunk/dangerous driving?  Or discharging a firearm randomly into the air?

Having the good fortune to not have hurt anyone *this* time is no excuse.  (Note that I haven't read the article, and don't necessarily think this kid was in the wrong, but the principle of "it's bad because of what might have happened" has some applicability)
 
2014-02-14 10:16:43 AM
http://dronelawjournal.com/

Has good information about the US laws. I didn't notice anyone fleeing from his drone in terror at the 2:15 mark.
 
2014-02-14 10:18:00 AM

This About That: It's dangerous! It could kill someone! I don't like it! Arrest him!. At least until this becomes commonplace, then it's nothing.


Yeah, they are totally harmless:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/man-killed-by-toy-helicopte r_ n_3875895.html
 
2014-02-14 10:18:08 AM

styckx: When did it become a thing to call remote control helicopters, "drones"?


I was wondering that too.

If RC helicopters are "drones" now, i've got 7 of them.
 
2014-02-14 10:21:15 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: styckx: When did it become a thing to call remote control helicopters, "drones"?

I was wondering that too.

If RC helicopters are "drones" now, i've got 7 of them.


Any recommendations on a starter model? And... are they legal to fly as long as I don't put my GoPro on it?
 
2014-02-14 10:21:17 AM
TheAlgebraist

"Having the good fortune to not have hurt anyone *this* time is no excuse.  (Note that I haven't read the article, and don't necessarily think this kid was in the wrong, but the principle of "it's bad because of what might have happened" has some applicability)"

You are correct sir or madam. It seems in these cases the officials let the kid dangle with threats of legal action, when the proper response (at least in this case IMHO) should to tell him to not do it again without following the laws. In the meantime he has created some beautiful viral marketing for Nancy.
 
2014-02-14 10:21:57 AM

dr.zaeus: This About That: It's dangerous! It could kill someone! I don't like it! Arrest him!. At least until this becomes commonplace, then it's nothing.

Yeah, they are totally harmless:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/man-killed-by-toy-helicopte r_ n_3875895.html


When all you righteous regulators of others replace all these two-ton private motor vehicles driven by amateurs with public transportation, get back to me.
 
2014-02-14 10:22:04 AM

dr.zaeus: This About That: It's dangerous! It could kill someone! I don't like it! Arrest him!. At least until this becomes commonplace, then it's nothing.

Yeah, they are totally harmless:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/man-killed-by-toy-helicopte r_ n_3875895.html


To be fair, the heli in the pics you linked to looks like TRex 700 or 750.

Those things ARE dangerous...and are nothing like the 300-400 size the video was prob taken with.
 
2014-02-14 10:23:35 AM

Lucky LaRue: I like these, "I broke the law, but I shouldn't be punished" threads.


So does David Gregory.
 
2014-02-14 10:24:30 AM

Hiro-ACiD: I liked these, "Stupid laws that limit our freedom must be obeyed" threads.


the "limit our freedom" usage was too much. Had me until I thought about that again.
 
2014-02-14 10:25:42 AM
It's a good thing they got this potentially dangerous criminal off the streets.  A crash of this drone could have been as bad as the Concorde crash.  Except slower, and less explosive, and without the loss of life and burning buildings, etc.  The good news is that now cops can weed out the dangerous creative type kids without leaving the comfort of the cafe donut, or croissant, or wherever les flics hang out there.
 
2014-02-14 10:27:33 AM

Satanic_Hamster: DubtodaIll:

Under that logic I can shine lasers into the cockpits of planes trying to land or constantly shoot large model rockets into the flight paths of planes.  Or go drunk driving.


TheAlgebraist: DubtodaIll:

What about drunk/dangerous driving?  Or discharging a firearm randomly into the air?

Having the good fortune to not have hurt anyone *this* time is no excuse.  (Note that I haven't read the article, and don't necessarily think this kid was in the wrong, but the principle of "it's bad because of what might have happened" has some applicability)


While law should never go to one extreme or another on any scale, I suppose I would prefer the law allow for a little more fun than it does.  Shining lasers at pilots and shooting rockets in their path has obvious malicious intent.  Drunk and dangerous driving is statistically shown to be a very bad thing.  However, in this case, the actual risk involved does not justify the kid getting a criminal record and much less actually being charged with anything.  Taking risks is a very healthy thing for a society and the more we legislate against it the worse off we're going to be.
 
2014-02-14 10:27:56 AM

Lucky LaRue: I like these, "I broke the law, but I shouldn't be punished" threads.


Almost as much as the "You didn't break any laws, but we'll charge you with some bullshiat offense to look tough" threads.
 
2014-02-14 10:30:10 AM

crotchgrabber: The more you eat the more you fart: styckx: When did it become a thing to call remote control helicopters, "drones"?

I was wondering that too.

If RC helicopters are "drones" now, i've got 7 of them.

Any recommendations on a starter model? And... are they legal to fly as long as I don't put my GoPro on it?


Have you flown RC helicopters before?

They are an absolute blast, but be ready for a steep learning curve and $$ spent repairing crash damage. Rc helis are waaay more difficult than say..rc airplanes.


Im a fan of Blade helis.

If ure new to the hobby, id suggest a progression something like this:

Blade cx2
Blade 120sr
Blade mcp v2 (or mcp-x)

Once you master the mcp, you're ready to try a 400-450 scale CP heli.

It takes time, and honestly, i still fly my 120SR a lot. Its a LOT of fun.

Most people looking to just play around usually aren't interested in going past fixed-pitch birds anyhow. One you step up to mid or large scale collective pitch helis, you are in the big leagues....a mishap with a CP heli means someone's getting stitches at the least.
 
2014-02-14 10:30:57 AM
I have a quad copter toy with a camera attached. I bought it at Target.
 
2014-02-14 10:31:16 AM

DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.


Interesting to hear someone actually argue that people should be allowed to drive drunk.
 
2014-02-14 10:31:57 AM

Satanic_Hamster: What's the line between a drone and a remote controlled air plane in France?
(and in the US)


These popular multi-rotor RC Helicopters have internal computer memory, a GPS receiver chip, and a routine where it will fly home to the lift-off spot if it looses control from the main channel, or when you hit a command to Fly Home... hence drone flight...

Regular RC aircraft ( fixed Wing or Heli ) means you must and do have direct control at all time; and if you loose your battery/ signal/ antennae, etc... the craft comes crashing to the ground.
 
2014-02-14 10:32:54 AM

DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.


You could also extend that same logic to someone firing a gun in a crowded mall, but not hitting anyone.  Sure, no one got hurt.  But it's incredibly dangerous and irresponsible.

And I think that's what it comes down to---was the person being irresponsible enough to be punished?  That's why we prosecute  reckless driving, but not all driving.  Driving can be dangerous, but responsible operation of the vehicle can mitigate the risks.  On the other hand, irresponsible driving is much more dangerous, and should be punished.
 
2014-02-14 10:34:12 AM
I've been having a ton of fun with my 350QX quad and GoPro. Mostly flying up canyons and ravines as well as trying to get some unusual wildlife shots.

I am not a terrorist.
Hayduke Lives!
 
2014-02-14 10:34:30 AM

Lucky LaRue: I like these, "I broke the law, but I shouldn't be punished" threads.


Jury nullification.
 
2014-02-14 10:34:41 AM
DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.


That sir, is the mostest stupidest thing I've heard this morning.
 
2014-02-14 10:36:46 AM

AugieDoggyDaddy: DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.

That sir, is the mostest stupidest thing I've heard this morning.


Oh? So what's the purpose of the law then?
 
2014-02-14 10:37:08 AM

DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.


So if I pull a gun on you, empty a clip at you and happen to miss you then I should be charged with a crime?
 
2014-02-14 10:37:37 AM

dr.zaeus: This About That: It's dangerous! It could kill someone! I don't like it! Arrest him!. At least until this becomes commonplace, then it's nothing.

Yeah, they are totally harmless:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/man-killed-by-toy-helicopte r_ n_3875895.html


That was a professional level pilot with a professional level model, flying professional level tricks in very close proximity.  It was a tragedy, and the RC community lost a very talented kid.  This is a much larger and far more powerful model than what was likely used in the video.  No reasonable individual would fly the big stuff outside an AMA flying site, IMO.  But the small stuff / park flyer classes are reasonably safe just about anywhere.
 
2014-02-14 10:37:50 AM

meanmutton: DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.

So if I pull a gun on you, empty a clip at you and happen to miss you then I should be charged with a crime?


Or, not to be absurd, I should be allowed to get shiatfaced and then drive around as long as I don't actually hit someone?
 
2014-02-14 10:38:25 AM
"If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Hundreds, if not thousands, of people could be killed when the fuel tank goes up. It might even take down a skyscraper if you collide with one.
 
2014-02-14 10:38:36 AM

StoPPeRmobile: styckx: When did it become a thing to call remote control helicopters, "drones"?

Autonomy.


Drones are autonomous.
 
2014-02-14 10:39:40 AM

meanmutton: DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.

So if I pull a gun on you, empty a clip at you and happen to miss you then I should be charged with a crime?


Me personally? I've never actually called the cops so I dunno how I would handle that as it's never happened.  Though it does make sense that using something specifically designed to end life in someone's general direction should be considered something that should not be encouraged by the law.
 
2014-02-14 10:40:59 AM

meanmutton: meanmutton: DubtodaIll: I've really never understood how you can be charged with a crime if no one actually gets hurt.  "If the aircraft crashed in a densely populated area, the consequences can be tragic,"

Yeah, if.  Seems like you could extend that logic to anyone driving a car or climbing a ladder.  I do not see a crime here.  Really it's a pretty interesting little film in that you get to see some of the beautiful art and architecture from a different angle.

So if I pull a gun on you, empty a clip at you and happen to miss you then I should be charged with a crime?

Or, not to be absurd, I should be allowed to get shiatfaced and then drive around as long as I don't actually hit someone?


I know people are really harping on the drunk driving thing but just a few decades ago it was something that wasn't so stigmatized or aggressively prevented and enforced against and somehow we survived.
 
2014-02-14 10:43:08 AM
The U.S. has been taking aerial photos since the 40s (at least)

The department of agriculture does the entire country about every 4 or 5 years, with airplanes.

"National Agriculture Imagery Program"

There are photos of your house, your backyard, the cars you have driven, that go back to before your neighborhood existed.

Your county appraiser very likely has a photo of your house, from the street, updated every 2 years.

Enjoy your outrage.
 
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