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(Denver Post)   Democrat Senator staff bullies Colorado state officials for reporting 250k health policies cancelled due to Obamacare. Seems the actual number was a much better 249,199 policies   (denverpost.com) divider line 105
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2014-02-14 09:47:58 AM
Cool, it's the thread about imaginary legislation that made insurance companies cancel plans. Again
 
2014-02-14 09:52:01 AM
I have no problem with regulations that outlaw healthcare plans that don't meet a minimum standard of coverage.
 
2014-02-14 10:06:23 AM
Can we ban health insurance companies, please?
 
2014-02-14 10:14:48 AM
250k health policies cancelled due to Obamacare insurance companies changing their healthcare plans after the ACA was passed, knowing full well that the change would disallow the plan from being grandfathered in.
 
2014-02-14 10:19:38 AM
I wonder if I get included in numbers like that.

I get coverage through my employer.  But my old plan got cancelled.  Of course, I was given a choice of alternative plans and the one I picked costs me not a penny more for the same levels of coverage.  But technically my old plan was cancelled.
 
2014-02-14 10:23:59 AM

Diogenes: I wonder if I get included in numbers like that.

I get coverage through my employer.  But my old plan got cancelled.  Of course, I was given a choice of alternative plans and the one I picked costs me not a penny more for the same levels of coverage.  But technically my old plan was cancelled.


Um yeah, pretty much. The GOP would have us believe that there are 9 million people walking around with no health insurance that had health insurance before. Like everything else the GOP says, it's a lie.
 
2014-02-14 10:43:51 AM
Remember, when corporations take advantage of shiatty laws we knew they were going to take advantage of, before the shiatty law was passed, it's not the fault of the shiatty law!
 
2014-02-14 10:44:57 AM
You mean those predatory payday loan insurance policies that have benefits like $1000 lifetime maximums?

Nice job breaking it, hero.
 
2014-02-14 10:45:25 AM

Diogenes: I wonder if I get included in numbers like that.

I get coverage through my employer.  But my old plan got cancelled.  Of course, I was given a choice of alternative plans and the one I picked costs me not a penny more for the same levels of coverage.  But technically my old plan was cancelled.


So it's technically correct, which we all know is the best kind of correct
 
2014-02-14 10:46:11 AM

Dinki: 250k health policies cancelled due to Obamacare insurance companies changing their healthcare plans after the ACA was passed, knowing full well that the change would disallow the plan from being grandfathered in.


My understanding is if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period. NOBODY can take it away.
 
2014-02-14 10:47:35 AM
Just an fyi the author of the article is basically the local radio version of Rush Limbaugh.
 
2014-02-14 10:48:06 AM
"Cancelled plan" means "new plan to match coverage requirements".

It doesn't mean "left out in the cold."

Just as a reference point.

Nor does the "scandal" of the article actually mean what we used to mean by "scandal".  It means "focus of frenzied spin".
 
2014-02-14 10:48:34 AM

Diogenes: I wonder if I get included in numbers like that.

I get coverage through my employer.  But my old plan got cancelled.  Of course, I was given a choice of alternative plans and the one I picked costs me not a penny more for the same levels of coverage.  But technically my old plan was cancelled.


I'm not counted in the supposed Colorado number as I live in New York, but changes were made to the plan I get through my employer, so it's no longer grandfathered in, and it costs me a $1 a week more, which is less of an increase from th year before.  So technically, you could say my old plan was canceled and replaced with a new one despite it having the same name from the same company.  The higher ups in the company are smart enough not to explicitly blame the ACA, but some of the low to mid-level managers aren't.
 
2014-02-14 10:49:03 AM
Stopped reading at "Democrat Senator".
 
2014-02-14 10:51:27 AM

Lucky LaRue: I have no problem with regulations that outlaw healthcare plans that don't meet a minimum standard of coverage.


Maybe you don't but the Democrats are sure running from it at full speed.
 
2014-02-14 10:51:43 AM

s2s2s2: Remember, when corporations take advantage of shiatty laws we knew they were going to take advantage of, before the shiatty law was passed, it's not the fault of the shiatty law!


And this prevents people from getting decent coverage how?  Oh shucks, 250K plans were cancelled!  Hey Travis, you hear about them computin' machines that allow you to surf porn and get insurance on your coffee break? Hot damn!
 
2014-02-14 10:52:22 AM
$20k deductible plans are not health insurance.
 
2014-02-14 10:53:05 AM
http://kdvr.com/2014/01/17/165000-coloradans-signed-up-for-insurance- e xchange/

With about a month left, let's see if they can sign up more than 85000 Coloradans...
 
2014-02-14 10:53:19 AM

Lucky LaRue: I have no problem with regulations that outlaw healthcare plans that don't meet a minimum standard of coverage.


B..bu..but, I was told I could keep my lousy coverage!
 
2014-02-14 10:53:20 AM

jjorsett: Lucky LaRue: I have no problem with regulations that outlaw healthcare plans that don't meet a minimum standard of coverage.

Maybe you don't but the Democrats are sure running from it at full speed.


Oh, it's this guy who doesn't know that the Blue Dog Dems who voted for repeal now voted against ACA back then too.  I know, I know, we're about to get trampled by them.

Gold stars or f*cks to give to this gentleman? Ambivalence, here.
 
2014-02-14 10:54:23 AM
If the government would just provide all of us with the same health care this kind of stuff wouldn't happen.

:)
 
2014-02-14 10:55:11 AM

Arkanaut: http://kdvr.com/2014/01/17/165000-coloradans-signed-up-for-insurance- e xchange/

With about a month left, let's see if they can sign up more than 85000 Coloradans...


Come to think of it that's not a full accounting of the impact of the bill -- a lot of those 250,000 people might have been automatically enrolled into another plan, without going through the exchange.
 
2014-02-14 10:55:46 AM

Communist_Manifesto: Just an fyi the author of the article is basically the local radio version of Rush Limbaugh.


Yeah, we should wait until the local radio version of Rachael Maddow weighs in to get the Real Truth.
 
2014-02-14 10:57:17 AM

jjorsett: Communist_Manifesto: Just an fyi the author of the article is basically the local radio version of Rush Limbaugh.

Yeah, we should wait until the local radio version of Rachael Maddow weighs in to get the Real Truth.


Local radio is the end all be all of news sources, so I heartily agree!
 
2014-02-14 10:57:30 AM
it's not the number it is the "method" of counting, you mendacious farks
 
2014-02-14 10:58:40 AM
Ugh... Know what? At this point in the debate, my opinion is tough shiat. Get real insurance and shut the fark up.

Sorry, that's the way I feel after listening to these farking morons piss and moan for the last few years.
 
2014-02-14 10:59:13 AM

coeyagi: jjorsett: Lucky LaRue: I have no problem with regulations that outlaw healthcare plans that don't meet a minimum standard of coverage.

Maybe you don't but the Democrats are sure running from it at full speed.

Oh, it's this guy who doesn't know that the Blue Dog Dems who voted for repeal now voted against ACA back then too.  I know, I know, we're about to get trampled by them.

Gold stars or f*cks to give to this gentleman? Ambivalence, here.


I must have imagined the series of exemptions and delays in implementing the law with which the administration has signaled its willingness to stand behind it.
 
2014-02-14 10:59:35 AM

jjorsett: Lucky LaRue: I have no problem with regulations that outlaw healthcare plans that don't meet a minimum standard of coverage.

Maybe you don't but the Democrats are is sure running from it at full speed.

 
2014-02-14 11:00:06 AM

Communist_Manifesto: Just an fyi the author of the article is basically the local radio version of Rush Limbaugh.


Certainly reads that way, doesn't it?
 
2014-02-14 11:00:48 AM

Cletus C.: Dinki: 250k health policies cancelled due to Obamacare insurance companies changing their healthcare plans after the ACA was passed, knowing full well that the change would disallow the plan from being grandfathered in.

My understanding is if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period. NOBODY can take it away.


Are you arguing that the government should have forced the insurance companies to keep their plans? That seems awfully controlling.

No-one in the government took those plans away. The insurance companies who were offering them did. The legislation specifically allowed the insurance companies to keep their plans, but they decided to get rid of them.
 
2014-02-14 11:01:05 AM
The author sounds incredibly butthurt that Colorado's Democratic Senator would have the temerity to support the ACA.
 
2014-02-14 11:01:39 AM

jjorsett: I must have imagined the series of exemptions and delays in implementing the law with which the administration has signaled its willingness to stand behind it allow businesses to comply without penalty.



Sharknado powers, spin!
 
2014-02-14 11:02:14 AM

jjorsett: coeyagi: jjorsett: Lucky LaRue: I have no problem with regulations that outlaw healthcare plans that don't meet a minimum standard of coverage.

Maybe you don't but the Democrats are sure running from it at full speed.

Oh, it's this guy who doesn't know that the Blue Dog Dems who voted for repeal now voted against ACA back then too.  I know, I know, we're about to get trampled by them.

Gold stars or f*cks to give to this gentleman? Ambivalence, here.

I must have imagined the series of exemptions and delays in implementing the law with which the administration has signaled its willingness to stand behind it.


You mean, the crap that the GOP wanted?  You must have imagined the reasons or were spoon fed them by a retard at Fox News.
 
2014-02-14 11:03:31 AM
This whole thing is a lot of insider politics but it's funny that a bunch of Democratic operatives investigated the alleged intimidation and quickly found there had been no gambling in that establishment. Then, they wouldn't release who was on the investigative panel until a public records request, then said there were no written findings. If all that is true. It smacks of a Chris Cristie traffic jam. This source is a right-wing radio guy, so maybe it isn't. Udall's presumed next opponent in the next race is pushing this, apparently.
 
2014-02-14 11:05:50 AM

draypresct: Cletus C.: Dinki: 250k health policies cancelled due to Obamacare insurance companies changing their healthcare plans after the ACA was passed, knowing full well that the change would disallow the plan from being grandfathered in.

My understanding is if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period. NOBODY can take it away.

Are you arguing that the government should have forced the insurance companies to keep their plans? That seems awfully controlling.

No-one in the government took those plans away. The insurance companies who were offering them did. The legislation specifically allowed the insurance companies to keep their plans, but they decided to get rid of them.


No argument. I was told NOBODY could take my plan if I liked it and I'm going with that.
 
2014-02-14 11:07:24 AM
Maybe some day Dems will stop falling into GOP rhetorical traps.  Maybe....
 
2014-02-14 11:10:59 AM

lilbjorn: Stopped reading at "Democrat Senator".


I'm still trying to figure out what Democrat Senator Staff means,  is Staff a senator for some new party?
Or did some senator's penis complain, or did they mean staffer, of did the entire staff of a senator complain?
 
2014-02-14 11:14:21 AM

spongeboob: lilbjorn: Stopped reading at "Democrat Senator".

I'm still trying to figure out what Democrat Senator Staff means,  is Staff a senator for some new party?
Or did some senator's penis complain, or did they mean staffer, of did the entire staff of a senator complain?


I assumed Mr or Mrs Staff is a Senator who happens to be a Democrat. Just poor grammar.
 
2014-02-14 11:17:46 AM

jjorsett: Communist_Manifesto: Just an fyi the author of the article is basically the local radio version of Rush Limbaugh.

Yeah, we should wait until the local radio version of Rachael Maddow weighs in to get the Real Truth.


Because that is he only alternative to Rosen.
 
2014-02-14 11:18:24 AM
"The political damage of Obamacare continues to mount, with a spreading scandal now enveloping Democratic Sen. Mark Udall."

Stopped reading there.

1) this is not news, it's opinion and at the very least it is properly categorized as such.

2) Scandal?  Bullshiat.  It's a political pissing match about how to spin numbers.

This is about cancellation notices being improperly reported as people being kicked off insurance with no return.  That's bullshiat.  People got kicked off of "I'll have a medical bankruptcy, thanks" insurance and had to re-up.  This is a hassle but it is not a quarter million people who now do not have health insurance thanks to Obamacare.  Udall took the state insurance regulator's spin to task. And lost. That's it.
 
2014-02-14 11:21:28 AM

Communist_Manifesto: Just an fyi the author of the article is basically the local radio version of Rush Limbaugh.


Yea, it seemed to be quite the tin-foil hat piece.
 
2014-02-14 11:21:29 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Cool, it's the thread about imaginary legislation that made insurance companies cancel plans. Again


10/10  you make trolling look easy.
 
2014-02-14 11:21:48 AM

Cletus C.: No argument. I was told NOBODY could take my plan if I liked it and I'm going with that.


Combine with citizens united to negate any argument that corporations aren't people!?!?!
 
2014-02-14 11:23:24 AM

Cletus C.: draypresct: Cletus C.: Dinki: 250k health policies cancelled due to Obamacare insurance companies changing their healthcare plans after the ACA was passed, knowing full well that the change would disallow the plan from being grandfathered in.

My understanding is if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period. NOBODY can take it away.

Are you arguing that the government should have forced the insurance companies to keep their plans? That seems awfully controlling.

No-one in the government took those plans away. The insurance companies who were offering them did. The legislation specifically allowed the insurance companies to keep their plans, but they decided to get rid of them.

No argument. I was told NOBODY could take my plan if I liked it and I'm going with that.


If you like your butthurt you can keep your butthurt, so at least you have that.
 
2014-02-14 11:23:30 AM

Arkanaut: http://kdvr.com/2014/01/17/165000-coloradans-signed-up-for-insurance- e xchange/

With about a month left, let's see if they can sign up more than 85000 Coloradans...


The vast majority of people whose policies were cancelled has them replaced with a new plan. They were not left without insurance. Every few years at least my insurance plan is cancelled, and a new slightly modified one offered in it's place. This is pretty standard and has been for decades at least.

Also, you article is almost a month old.
 
2014-02-14 11:23:51 AM

Cletus C.: draypresct: Cletus C.: Dinki: 250k health policies cancelled due to Obamacare insurance companies changing their healthcare plans after the ACA was passed, knowing full well that the change would disallow the plan from being grandfathered in.

My understanding is if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period. NOBODY can take it away.

Are you arguing that the government should have forced the insurance companies to keep their plans? That seems awfully controlling.

No-one in the government took those plans away. The insurance companies who were offering them did. The legislation specifically allowed the insurance companies to keep their plans, but they decided to get rid of them.

No argument. I was told NOBODY could take my plan if I liked it and I'm going with that.


Only the Sith speak in absolutes.
 
2014-02-14 11:24:28 AM
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seems appropriate
 
2014-02-14 11:26:33 AM

Cletus C.: No argument. I was told NOBODY could take my plan if I liked it and I'm going with that.


Have fun. Nobody really cares what fantasies you use to keep your outrage boner from going soft.
 
2014-02-14 11:27:38 AM

Diogenes: I wonder if I get included in numbers like that.

I get coverage through my employer.  But my old plan got cancelled.  Of course, I was given a choice of alternative plans and the one I picked costs me not a penny more for the same levels of coverage.  But technically my old plan was cancelled.


My employer contracted with a different healthcare provider for 2014. As a result, I lost access to the healthcare plan that I had enjoyed in 2013, and I instead was forced onto a healthcare plan that provides comparable coverage over a comparable network at the same cost to me as before. I am another victim of the horrors of Obamacare.
 
2014-02-14 11:28:36 AM

BMulligan: Only the Sith speak in absolutes.


That's not from any actual Star Wars media, probably some derpy spinoff.

/What are Midichlorians?
//grooooooaaaaan
 
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