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2014-02-14 08:36:42 AM  
Did you say yutes?
 
2014-02-14 08:42:29 AM  
Belgian euthanasia means there will be fewer oldpeopleinbelgium?
 
2014-02-14 08:43:13 AM  

Kick The Chair: Did you say yutes?


Yeah, two euths.
 
2014-02-14 08:47:16 AM  
Always kills me that we don't let our pets suffer long and protracted death, we save that for humans, as if a long and painful death purifies you thru suffering.  Farking insane idea.
 
2014-02-14 08:48:57 AM  
After spending about 9 months in a cancer ward, I can say with 100% certainty that we need that in every country.
 
2014-02-14 08:51:03 AM  
Did the Follow Up tag get peacefully sent into that long goodnight?
 
2014-02-14 08:52:35 AM  

Cheron: Did the Follow Up tag get peacefully sent into that long goodnight?


http://www.fark.com/comments/8139923/Belgium-expected-to-approve-eut ha nasia-for-teens-Subby-understands-sentiment-but-thinks-that-might-caus e-problems-after-a-generation-so

The amount of repeats around here this week aren't a mistake.  It's performance art.
 
2014-02-14 08:54:12 AM  
Fewer Belgiumese to cope with. They have that going for them.
 
2014-02-14 08:55:51 AM  

bmwericus: Always kills me that we don't let our pets suffer long and protracted death, we save that for humans, as if a long and painful death purifies you thru suffering.  Farking insane idea.


Well you'll never get into heaven if you commit suicide. It must be god's will. Although, I'm not sure making someone suffer unbearable pain when all they want is release will grant you access to god's kingdom either.
 
2014-02-14 08:57:01 AM  
I owe my life to euthanasia. See, my Filipino parents met as teenagers in Manila, had a long engagement, got married when they got their own house, and brought me into the world.

So what's with all the hubbub with euthanasia? What, too many of us on the planet?
 
2014-02-14 08:57:02 AM  

bmwericus: Always kills me that we don't let our pets suffer long and protracted death, we save that for humans, as if a long and painful death purifies you thru suffering.  Farking insane idea.


Our pets don't leave us money when they die fortuitously.
 
2014-02-14 09:09:10 AM  
SHouldn't that be euthaneurope?
 
2014-02-14 09:10:23 AM  
I'm of the opinion that this sort of thing is okay, with one caveat. If it's going to happen, the person themselves should HAVE to give their own written permission. No surrogate decision makers of any kind. No power of attorney. Nothing. As the guy above me said, there's too much potential for abuse otherwise.
 
2014-02-14 09:14:17 AM  
Apparently they didn't go for the greater degree of difficulty of going for the asia in euthanasia......and that's why they aren't winning many medals!
 
2014-02-14 09:15:58 AM  
You know who else liked to euthanize unhealthy European children?
 
2014-02-14 09:20:45 AM  
Every last one of you has a filthy, filthy mouth. Using that B word. On a public forum, no less!
 
2014-02-14 09:22:32 AM  

vwarb: I'm of the opinion that this sort of thing is okay, with one caveat. If it's going to happen, the person themselves should HAVE to give their own written permission. No surrogate decision makers of any kind. No power of attorney. Nothing. As the guy above me said, there's too much potential for abuse otherwise.


I'm not sure I actually have a problem with euthanasia as an abstract concept. My issue with it is that people as a species are selfish and opportunistic, and there's way too thin a line between "We need to end Mom's suffering." and "Mom's pesky illness is really getting expensive, and she's kind of a b*tch to begin with."
 
2014-02-14 09:24:02 AM  
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2014-02-14 09:47:43 AM  

bmwericus: Always kills me that we don't let our pets suffer long and protracted death, we save that for humans, as if a long and painful death purifies you thru suffering.  Farking insane idea.


I came to say basically the same thing. If we see an animal suffering, we do the "humane" thing and put it to sleep painlessly. If you're a human, well, fark you. You get to suffer, no matter how badly you want to die. You can be 105 years old and suffering from some horrible form of cancer, screaming in pain all day every day, and if someone cares about you enough to help end your misery, we throw them in prison.

Children are a touchier subject, but I would at least like to see us adopt some sort of reasonable end-of-life legislation for adults to start with. I've transported nursing home patients to the hospital who were begging us to just let them die, but not only do we not help them along into the afterlife, we do everything we can to artificially prolong their suffering as long as possible. Because those are the rules. I'm not suggesting that EMT's should euthanize ambulance patients on the way to the hospital, I just wonder why we are using valuable resources to prolong the life of someone who very clearly wants their lives to end; not because they are depressed or suffering from mental illness, but because they are terminally ill and their entire existence at this point has become one of indignity and suffering. It's beyond cruel. Yes, there is some chance of shenanigans, but reasonable safeguards can be put into place to minimize those. If grandma is screaming "No, I don't want to die!! Junior just wants my money! Leave me alone!", then maybe you reconsider before putting the pillow over her head. If she's screaming "Oh my God, it hurts! Please, just let me die!", maybe it's time for a little morphine overdose. Yes, that's oversimplifying the problem, but some of you seem to be over-complicating it. "Sorry dad, you have to writhe in agony for the next six months because somebody somewhere might be an asshole who tries to kill off a relative." Fark you. If you are against it because of your religion, then double-Fark you. Your religion has no place in MY life decisions. If YOU want to suffer horribly to please your God, then that's your business. Leave me and my family out of it. If I'm ever lying in a hospital bed somewhere shiatting myself in agony as bone cancer eats away my body, I truly hope that someone will do me the kindness of an "accidental" overdose.
 
2014-02-14 09:56:58 AM  
Great! Fewer trick-or-treaters, more candy for me!
 
2014-02-14 09:56:58 AM  

markfara: vwarb: I'm of the opinion that this sort of thing is okay, with one caveat. If it's going to happen, the person themselves should HAVE to give their own written permission. No surrogate decision makers of any kind. No power of attorney. Nothing. As the guy above me said, there's too much potential for abuse otherwise.

I'm not sure I actually have a problem with euthanasia as an abstract concept. My issue with it is that people as a species are selfish and opportunistic, and there's way too thin a line between "We need to end Mom's suffering." and "Mom's pesky illness is really getting expensive, and she's kind of a b*tch to begin with."


THIS THIS THIS!

Also wasn't marijuana? suppose to be this cure all that could cure cancer and end pain? Isn't there drugs that we used to have that are federally illegal really suppose to stop all this suffering? Secondly where are thouse cures they keep talking about in the news?
 
2014-02-14 10:05:53 AM  

vwarb: I'm of the opinion that this sort of thing is okay, with one caveat. If it's going to happen, the person themselves should HAVE to give their own written permission. No surrogate decision makers of any kind. No power of attorney. Nothing. As the guy above me said, there's too much potential for abuse otherwise.


Yes, it would be nice. In most cases that is exactly how this works. That is why more often than not it is not euthanasia but assisted suicide.  But life (and death, as it were) doesn't always conveniently work out that way.

Sometimes your parent or child is travelling in a semi-conscious state down an agonizingly painful path that can only lead invevitably to their death. What then ? Do we let mom or 5 year-old Lily suffer in this way because she cannot express any coherent thought and we cannot deal with the responsability of making a decision ?

In trying to avoid the responsability of asking that her suffering be ended we are asking for it to continue.

crzybtch: After spending about 9 months in a cancer ward, I can say with 100% certainty that we need that in every country.


Yes. Absolutely.
 
2014-02-14 10:19:49 AM  

bmwericus: Always kills me that we don't let our pets suffer long and protracted death, we save that for humans, as if a long and painful death purifies you thru suffering.  Farking insane idea.


Well euthanasia got godwined all to hell when the Gnatzis where doing forced euthanasias(started even before they started in on exterminating the jews) on genetically inferior folks like the insane and the born cripples.

So when you are dieing a long drawn out death from prick cancer and cant just get put down you can blame it on Hitler.
 
2014-02-14 10:24:11 AM  

markfara: vwarb: I'm of the opinion that this sort of thing is okay, with one caveat. If it's going to happen, the person themselves should HAVE to give their own written permission. No surrogate decision makers of any kind. No power of attorney. Nothing. As the guy above me said, there's too much potential for abuse otherwise.

I'm not sure I actually have a problem with euthanasia as an abstract concept. My issue with it is that people as a species are selfish and opportunistic, and there's way too thin a line between "We need to end Mom's suffering." and "Mom's pesky illness is really getting expensive, and she's kind of a b*tch to begin with."


THIS, I dont think any one but yourself should have a right to decide to have you put down if you are not like brain dead bad off yet.

Not your spouse, not your kids, and certainly not the GOVT.
 
2014-02-14 10:29:54 AM  

mod3072: bmwericus: Always kills me that we don't let our pets suffer long and protracted death, we save that for humans, as if a long and painful death purifies you thru suffering.  Farking insane idea.

I came to say basically the same thing. If we see an animal suffering, we do the "humane" thing and put it to sleep painlessly. If you're a human, well, fark you. You get to suffer, no matter how badly you want to die. You can be 105 years old and suffering from some horrible form of cancer, screaming in pain all day every day, and if someone cares about you enough to help end your misery, we throw them in prison.

Children are a touchier subject, but I would at least like to see us adopt some sort of reasonable end-of-life legislation for adults to start with. I've transported nursing home patients to the hospital who were begging us to just let them die, but not only do we not help them along into the afterlife, we do everything we can to artificially prolong their suffering as long as possible. Because those are the rules. I'm not suggesting that EMT's should euthanize ambulance patients on the way to the hospital, I just wonder why we are using valuable resources to prolong the life of someone who very clearly wants their lives to end; not because they are depressed or suffering from mental illness, but because they are terminally ill and their entire existence at this point has become one of indignity and suffering. It's beyond cruel. Yes, there is some chance of shenanigans, but reasonable safeguards can be put into place to minimize those. If grandma is screaming "No, I don't want to die!! Junior just wants my money! Leave me alone!", then maybe you reconsider before putting the pillow over her head. If she's screaming "Oh my God, it hurts! Please, just let me die!", maybe it's time for a little morphine overdose. Yes, that's oversimplifying the problem, but some of you seem to be over-complicating it. "Sorry dad, you have to writhe in agony for the next six months b ...


Yes, morphine overdose indeed. When my mother was lying in hospital dying of that awful abomination that is pancreatic cancer, she was given complete control of her morphine pump with the maximum dose set so high that in effect there was no limit to how much she could take. But the effects of the morphine itself are not pretty and it does leave one barely conscious and certainly unable to act. So, additionally, we were instructed that at any time we thought she was suffering too much we could ask for another dose and a nurse would come and inject it. No one voiced it, they/we couldn't of course, but the message was very clear nonetheless.

In a civilized society euthanasia and assisted suicide should be available to all. We all die, but why should we lose our dignity before we lose our life ?
 
2014-02-14 10:44:04 AM  

capt.hollister: Yes, morphine overdose indeed.


What I really want when I'm near death is a drug cocktail of my choosing. I want heroine, LSD, with a side of meth. I mean why not let people enjoy the ride when there's so little life left to experience.
 
2014-02-14 10:45:21 AM  
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2014-02-14 10:49:04 AM  

vwarb: I'm of the opinion that this sort of thing is okay, with one caveat. If it's going to happen, the person themselves should HAVE to give their own written permission. No surrogate decision makers of any kind. No power of attorney. Nothing. As the guy above me said, there's too much potential for abuse otherwise.


That's the way it works in my state.   In fact they have to request it, then there's a waiting period, and they can confirm it, they have to be diagnosed by 2 doctors as terminal within six months, made sure they're of sound mind, etc, and they can back out any time.  A fairly big number of those who request it end up dying before they put it to use.
 
2014-02-14 10:54:04 AM  

capt.hollister: In a civilized society euthanasia and assisted suicide should be available to all. We all die, but why should we lose our dignity before we lose our life ?


My problem is letting everyone say good bye. My family is an example where if my grandma was dying in a week they wouldn't tell the adult grandchildren about it. Or like in the case of my G-ma on my mom's side: My mom told me Gma was dead the day before the funeral so I couldn't get the day off.  Euthanasia if legalized could in this sue happy country start a whole new litigation heaven for some. Like parent could sue parent for rights to not do it and so forth. In other words be careful what you wish for.
 
2014-02-14 11:33:20 AM  

alice_600: capt.hollister: In a civilized society euthanasia and assisted suicide should be available to all. We all die, but why should we lose our dignity before we lose our life ?

My problem is letting everyone say good bye. My family is an example where if my grandma was dying in a week they wouldn't tell the adult grandchildren about it. Or like in the case of my G-ma on my mom's side: My mom told me Gma was dead the day before the funeral so I couldn't get the day off.  Euthanasia if legalized could in this sue happy country start a whole new litigation heaven for some. Like parent could sue parent for rights to not do it and so forth. In other words be careful what you wish for.


Perhaps you should begin by euthanizing all the lawyers.Just because disagreement may exist amongst some families does not mean the option should not be available for those who need it.

Luckily, I live in Québec. End of life is currently the subject a government report and public discussion. We can expect a proposal for a new law sometime in the near future. Fortunately, there is very little disagreement as most of the population seems ready for a more civilized way to deal with terminal desease.
 
2014-02-14 12:07:03 PM  

capt.hollister: alice_600: capt.hollister: In a civilized society euthanasia and assisted suicide should be available to all. We all die, but why should we lose our dignity before we lose our life ?

My problem is letting everyone say good bye. My family is an example where if my grandma was dying in a week they wouldn't tell the adult grandchildren about it. Or like in the case of my G-ma on my mom's side: My mom told me Gma was dead the day before the funeral so I couldn't get the day off.  Euthanasia if legalized could in this sue happy country start a whole new litigation heaven for some. Like parent could sue parent for rights to not do it and so forth. In other words be careful what you wish for.

Perhaps you should begin by euthanizing all the lawyers.Just because disagreement may exist amongst some families does not mean the option should not be available for those who need it.

Luckily, I live in Québec. End of life is currently the subject a government report and public discussion. We can expect a proposal for a new law sometime in the near future. Fortunately, there is very little disagreement as most of the population seems ready for a more civilized way to deal with terminal desease.


Dude you're Canada, this is America. You know that place where your good comedians moved to and has no poutine or Kinder Eggs? Yes that country that can't even run it's own government health care system. Remember Terri Shavio? Yeah think about that a second and with that in mind. her husband wanted her to die. What did they do? The parents became pissy about it and said "NO YOU CAN'T MY DAUGHTER!" It went so far as to a vote in the state government I believe. There was protests, and at one point a Christian juggler showed up. Then there is the disabled activist community who can have their arms up in the air over it because you could kill off babies who are disabled. Yeah see my point. Great you guys are talking about it. But for the euthanasia. I also worry we're just not going to care about finding cures any more for diseases.
 
2014-02-14 12:27:40 PM  

alice_600: capt.hollister: In a civilized society euthanasia and assisted suicide should be available to all. We all die, but why should we lose our dignity before we lose our life ?

My problem is letting everyone say good bye. My family is an example where if my grandma was dying in a week they wouldn't tell the adult grandchildren about it. Or like in the case of my G-ma on my mom's side: My mom told me Gma was dead the day before the funeral so I couldn't get the day off.  Euthanasia if legalized could in this sue happy country start a whole new litigation heaven for some. Like parent could sue parent for rights to not do it and so forth. In other words be careful what you wish for.


I realize that it is different with children and with adults that are not of sound mind. In those cases there can and will be conflicting interests, but for a terminally ill adult who has nothing to look forward to but suffering and indignity for the rest of their short life and who just wants some peace, it shouldn't be anyone else's damn business. If you're unhappy that grandma decided to die on her own terms and with a little dignity, too farking bad. Deal with it. It's her life, it should be her choice (assuming she is capable of making it).
 
2014-02-14 12:30:50 PM  

capt.hollister: alice_600: capt.hollister: In a civilized society euthanasia and assisted suicide should be available to all. We all die, but why should we lose our dignity before we lose our life ?

My problem is letting everyone say good bye. My family is an example where if my grandma was dying in a week they wouldn't tell the adult grandchildren about it. Or like in the case of my G-ma on my mom's side: My mom told me Gma was dead the day before the funeral so I couldn't get the day off.  Euthanasia if legalized could in this sue happy country start a whole new litigation heaven for some. Like parent could sue parent for rights to not do it and so forth. In other words be careful what you wish for.

Perhaps you should begin by euthanizing all the lawyers.Just because disagreement may exist amongst some families does not mean the option should not be available for those who need it.

Luckily, I live in Québec. End of life is currently the subject a government report and public discussion. We can expect a proposal for a new law sometime in the near future. Fortunately, there is very little disagreement as most of the population seems ready for a more civilized way to deal with terminal desease.


I'm in Oregon.  We voted it in once, then it was challenged by the Feds, spearheaded by some waterhead in Oklahoma, I think.  Anyway, we fixed up the ballot measure some more and voted it in again.  That was back in the '90s and it seems to be working okay.  People have finally got it through their thick heads that it's NOT MANDATORY.  Like the flag burning thing - nobody's forcing you.  They wrote it so that it's up to YOU.  In fact, one of the doctors that helped write the legislation ended up using it a few years ago when he went terminal.
 
2014-02-15 02:31:38 AM  

markfara: Our pets don't leave us money when they die fortuitously.


most kids don't either.  If you really have to, make your medical power of attorney for somebody who doesn't stand to gain anything.

alice_600: Also wasn't marijuana? suppose to be this cure all that could cure cancer and end pain? Isn't there drugs that we used to have that are federally illegal really suppose to stop all this suffering? Secondly where are thouse cures they keep talking about in the news?


Exagerations to try to get it to pass aside, it's mostly that it helps with the side effects of chemo very well and while it doesn't end pain, it puts you in a state where you don't mind said pain as much.
 
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