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2014-02-14 12:02:12 AM
4 votes:

Gig103: I don't get the headline.


www.zen142533.zen.co.uk

2014-02-14 10:58:18 AM
3 votes:

Waldo Pepper: I'm a Christian and one thing i've always tried to remember as a Christian is that Judas was a zealot. The commission a Christian is called is to lead people to Christ, not to be their morals judge and jury.


I like to remind my fellow Christians, when they talk about wanting to "legislate God's law," is that legislated morality killed Jesus. The people who ordered Jesus' death did so because He violated their theocratic laws. Oh, and those people were also the religious conservatives of their day.
2014-02-14 10:01:27 AM
3 votes:
On Wednesday, a judge declared that Kentucky must recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states

Moneyquote:

"Usually, as here, the tradition behind the challenged law began at a time when most people did not fully appreciate, much less articulate, the individual rights in question. For years, many states had a tradition of segregation and even articulated reasons why it created a better, more stable society. Similarly, many states deprived women of their equal rights under the law, believing this to properly preserve our traditions. In time, even the most strident supporters of these views understood that they could not enforce their particular moral views to the detriment of another's constitutional rights. Here as well, sometime in the not too distant future, the same understanding will come to pass." Link
2014-02-14 08:09:30 AM
3 votes:

Bendal: Most of them are whining that NC voters should have the right to decide such things in their own state, not realizing that was the same argument used to keep blacks from voting, or desegregating the schools, or allowing women to vote, etc, etc.


We are having the same argument here in Indiana. I gotta say, fark that shiat. I don't get it.

1. The public are morons.

And more importantly ...

2. Government is supposed to protect its citizens, not bow to majority opinion. Democracy is mob rule. It doesn't matter if 75% of the citizens want it; if it's wrong, government is supposed to stop it.
2014-02-14 01:45:02 AM
3 votes:
Huh. I thought it was supposed to be the stages of an erection.

Guess I got wang on the brain, what with all this talk of gay marriage.

See what you are doing to me, gays?! Geez!
2014-02-14 04:54:43 PM
2 votes:

flondrix: Itstoearly: 50 dominoes, specifically. Also 16 are completely fallen, representing the 16 states where gay marriage is currently legal (Illinois has legalized it but the law does not go in to effect until June 1 of this year).

+10, subby.

OK, help me out here...

MA, CA, VT, IA, WA, MN, NY,  and I assume IL is being counted; who else?

The three tilted ones would be UT, OK, and VA, right?


From here:
Seventeen states - CA, CT, DE, HI, IA, IL, ME, MD, MA, MN, NH, NJ, NM, NY, RI, VT, and WA - plus Washington, D.C. have the freedom to marry for same-sex couples.

Three states offer broad protections short of marriage. CO allows civil union, while OR and NV offer broad domestic partnership. WI has more limited domestic partnership.

Federal judges have recently struck down gay marriage bans in three other states: UT, OK, and VA--all those rulings are stayed pending appeal.
2014-02-14 09:59:48 AM
2 votes:

Carousel Beast: Gig103: phlegmmo: Dominoes.

abb3w: www.zen142533.zen.co.uk


Thank you! And yes it is pretty awesome how fast states are figuring it out now.

States aren't figuring it out now, courts are imposing it on them. Let's not pretend rational people are suddenly the voting majority.

I think what's worth noting, though, is that unlike a lot of the civil rights court decisions, we're not seeing people go apeshiat violent on gays. That, imo, is something positive to take out of all this.

/Not to mention that the institution of marriage hasn't somehow fallen apart
//Dumbest argument ever in the first place


No, the argument about it being a violation of religious freedom is the dumbest.

Your church doesn't want same sex marriages, so NO church or those who don't have a faith HAVE to follow these myopic interpretations of Leviticus. While demanding bacon, the right to reap ALL your fields, and hold property into perpetuity. It is awful selective reading, but folks are trying to force that selective reading on everyone. Because, FREEDOM Jeebus!
2014-02-14 09:51:51 AM
2 votes:

Wade_Wilson: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Good news.

But of course this means that the Republicans are well on their way to having another perpetual wedge issue like they do with abortion. It's not like the religious right is suddenly going to be okay with Adam and Steve being joined in the bonds of holy matrimony just because a few liberal activist judges say that equal protection before the law applies to godless sodomites too.

When the deep red states start flipping it's going to be bedlam.

Like other issues they've effectively lost on, I imagine they'll never really give up the fight and instead try to nickle-and-dime the issue in a hundred little ways that manage to galvanize their base without actually effecting any meaningful change.

They'll whine when they can't teach it as an abomination in southern social studies classes, whine when cartoons and family movies start portraying it as normal, whine when the first history books come out that portray them as the villains, whine when a movie based on these court cases wins an Oscar.

It'll never fully go away, but eventually the zealots will just become background noise.


I'm a Christian and one thing i've always tried to remember as a Christian is that Judas was a zealot.  The commission a Christian is called is to lead people to Christ, not to be their morals judge and jury.
2014-02-14 09:29:23 AM
2 votes:
I love how these "pro-family" douchebags always use public opinion to support their nonsense.  "57% of Virginians think gay marriage is icky!"

Well, guess what... a majority of the world population doesn't think that Jesus was really the son of god.  But you're still free to practice your religion.  Why?  Because civil rights are not subject to majority opinion in a society that values liberty.
2014-02-14 08:23:22 AM
2 votes:
Until someone (a conservative) can make a logical argument against gay marriage, that does not rely on Jesus, The Bible, etc. I have to stick with loving the idea of equality for all in this country.

Personally, as well as I can "see the other side" of an argument pretty damn well, in this case, I cannot fathom a single argument that makes any logical sense to keep marriage defined as being between one man and one woman.
2014-02-14 07:15:35 AM
2 votes:
Conservatives here in NC are already losing their shiat over the judge ruling VA's anti-same sex marriage amendment is unconstitutional. NC has both a law and a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages, and they know it's only a matter of time before they're both overturned in court. Most of them are whining that NC voters should have the right to decide such things in their own state, not realizing that was the same argument used to keep blacks from voting, or desegregating the schools, or allowing women to vote, etc, etc.

/they're losing the war and they don't like it
//and they know they're losing it
2014-02-14 07:09:28 AM
2 votes:

phlegmmo: Gig103: I don't get the headline.

Dominoes.


i78.photobucket.com

"Sokath, his eyes uncovered!"
2014-02-13 11:52:37 PM
2 votes:

Gig103: I don't get the headline.


Dominoes.
2014-02-14 05:32:34 PM
1 votes:

tommyl66: Endive Wombat: Until someone (a conservative) can make a logical argument against gay marriage, that does not rely on Jesus, The Bible, etc. I have to stick with loving the idea of equality for all in this country.

Personally, as well as I can "see the other side" of an argument pretty damn well, in this case, I cannot fathom a single argument that makes any logical sense to keep marriage defined as being between one man and one woman.

If two women get married and start a new life together, who is going to kill the spiders in the house?


Dear God in HEAVEN... if that isn't  THE most bigoted and sexist comment...

Are you dim?  Everyone knows that you can't have a lesbian couple without cats.  The cats kill the spiders.
2014-02-14 02:05:56 PM
1 votes:

Crapinoleum: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: flondrix: Zagloba: You know, a decent fraction of teh gheys don't have wangs in the first place.

I can remember when "gay" (in that sense) was used mostly as an adjective, and could be prefixed to the nouns "men" or "women" with equal ease.  In other words, "gay" was a synonym for "homosexual".  But nowadays, I am told, "gay women" is an oxymoron.  Who gets to decide this stuff, anyway?

Some women don't like being "labeled" as "lesbian" because of all the assumptions that word carries, so prefer to be called "gay".

Yes, I know a few women like that. They're otherwise quite relaxed about things.

What assumption, besides homosexuality, does that word carry?  That she's Lebanese?


pics.blameitonthevoices.com
2014-02-14 11:06:32 AM
1 votes:

elchip: When did the REPEAT tag first show up?


Not sure, but my money is on a story involving Rand Paul.
2014-02-14 10:50:27 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: flondrix: Gig103: Thank you! And yes it is pretty awesome how fast states are figuring it out now.

Only a few states so far.  Several judges have found the bans unconstitutional, and the states continue to try to find ways around those decisions.  Same sex couples can no longer get married in Utah, for example, after a brief window of opportunity opened by a single judge's decision.

Utah hasn't "found a way" around anything. They are appealing the judge's decision, and while it is being reviewed, there is a temporary stay on new marriages. This is standard, not some sneaky move around the system, it's how things work. Utah laid all of their money on the "what about the children?' horse, though, and that guy just doesn't have the legs to finish out the race, but this stay isn't because anyone is "finding a way" around anything, it's exactly how the legal process works.


My point is, the state of Utah didn't come around, a single judge did.  Same in Virginia.
2014-02-14 10:16:18 AM
1 votes:

phlegmmo: Gig103: I don't get the headline.

Dominoes.


Oh.  Ok.  I thought it was slow-mo footage of a dick getting erect.  That's kind of funny, but dominoes makes more sense.
2014-02-14 09:46:28 AM
1 votes:

Gig103: phlegmmo: Dominoes.

abb3w: www.zen142533.zen.co.uk


Thank you! And yes it is pretty awesome how fast states are figuring it out now.


States aren't figuring it out now, courts are imposing it on them. Let's not pretend rational people are suddenly the voting majority.

I think what's worth noting, though, is that unlike a lot of the civil rights court decisions, we're not seeing people go apeshiat violent on gays. That, imo, is something positive to take out of all this.

/Not to mention that the institution of marriage hasn't somehow fallen apart
//Dumbest argument ever in the first place
2014-02-14 09:42:44 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Good news.

But of course this means that the Republicans are well on their way to having another perpetual wedge issue like they do with abortion. It's not like the religious right is suddenly going to be okay with Adam and Steve being joined in the bonds of holy matrimony just because a few liberal activist judges say that equal protection before the law applies to godless sodomites too.

When the deep red states start flipping it's going to be bedlam.


Like other issues they've effectively lost on, I imagine they'll never really give up the fight and instead try to nickle-and-dime the issue in a hundred little ways that manage to galvanize their base without actually effecting any meaningful change.

They'll whine when they can't teach it as an abomination in southern social studies classes, whine when cartoons and family movies start portraying it as normal, whine when the first history books come out that portray them as the villains, whine when a movie based on these court cases wins an Oscar.

It'll never fully go away, but eventually the zealots will just become background noise.
2014-02-14 09:22:39 AM
1 votes:

exparrot: shouldn't it have been


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Hmm..? The dominoes are falling on those still standing implying an acceleration of laws being struck down.

/Subby
//Of course I messed up the numbers
///17 should be fallen, 3 should be falling, and 30 standing
2014-02-14 09:06:35 AM
1 votes:
So conservatives believe US laws should forbid things the Bible label as sin. They need to explain why payday loan operations are allowed to operate when the Bible forbids usury, especially on loans to the poor.
2014-02-14 08:49:30 AM
1 votes:

GardenWeasel: Ed_Severson: Bendal: Most of them are whining that NC voters should have the right to decide such things in their own state, not realizing that was the same argument used to keep blacks from voting, or desegregating the schools, or allowing women to vote, etc, etc.

We are having the same argument here in Indiana. I gotta say, fark that shiat. I don't get it.

1. The public are morons.

And more importantly ...

2. Government is supposed to protect its citizens, not bow to majority opinion. Democracy is mob rule. It doesn't matter if 75% of the citizens want it; if it's wrong, government is supposed to stop it.

Funny, but one small overstep by the last legistature may have killed the whole thing. It's glorious.


It amazes me that my extreme right and Christian friends never understand that pretty much the laws they feel will keep "morally" keep everyone in line will overtime lead to the exact opposite results. The sad thing is the Bible and especially Paul pretty much shoots down laws being used to control morals.

They also don't seem to understand the 14th amendment and the freedoms and protections it gives every American.
2014-02-14 08:37:08 AM
1 votes:

LtDarkstar: The dominoes also represent that time is almost up for our country. If all the states pass laws allowing gay marriage we will see the destruction of this country very fast... we approach the end-times and the allowance of this outright SIN to be passed into law while desecrating the holy marriage bond between a man and a woman will bring swift judgement upon us. Babylon will fall because of this.


This is a legitimate fear. I propose all God-fearing, Jesus-loving, church-going religious folks head directly to their nearest church and stay there until the end times arrive (WHICH IS LITERALLY ANY SECOND NOW). Stay there and for heaven's sake DON'T OPEN THE WINDOWS OR DOORS, lest you see the brutal carnage unfolding upon the Jew-nited Gay-tes of Ameri-duh due to the silly notion of equal rights for all mankind...
2014-02-14 08:33:31 AM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Until someone (a conservative) can make a logical argument against gay marriage, that does not rely on Jesus, The Bible, etc. I have to stick with loving the idea of equality for all in this country.

Personally, as well as I can "see the other side" of an argument pretty damn well, in this case, I cannot fathom a single argument that makes any logical sense to keep marriage defined as being between one man and one woman.


Quite a lot of Christians don't regard the central message of Jesus as being 'nail all those arse-bandits to a tree'. But a majority seem to.

I've often pondered the question of who are the losers if gay marriage happens. It certainly doesn't affect my marriage to my wife. Adam and Steve can get hitched on the front lawn over the road and it has zero impact on me. But I wonder if I was closetted, gay and straight-married-with-kids to appease a homophobic family if it wouldn't be a big added stress on me.

And then you look at who opposes gay marriage. It's the churches which encourage you to take your problems to your priest (confessing) or your pastor (spiritual guidance). These guys know how many of their own flock are struggling because, simply, they really love the c*ck and this is why they're so embarrasingly loud about the whole issue. The Pope has actually had to come out and say there are bigger issues than gay marriage and even then he's being shut down by Bishops (or was that when he suggested atheists can get into heaven and there was a lot of 'clarification statements' entirely denying this because basically it's their business model out the window).

Just my little conspiracy theory but you disprove it.
2014-02-14 08:27:02 AM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Until someone (a conservative) can make a logical argument against gay marriage, that does not rely on Jesus, The Bible, etc. I have to stick with loving the idea of equality for all in this country.

Personally, as well as I can "see the other side" of an argument pretty damn well, in this case, I cannot fathom a single argument that makes any logical sense to keep marriage defined as being between one man and one woman.


If two women get married and start a new life together, who is going to kill the spiders in the house?

If two men get married and start a new life together, who is going to be there to nag enough to make sure chores get done?

/I'll take my payment in cash, please, GOP
2014-02-14 07:35:40 AM
1 votes:

RobSeace: Monkeyhouse Zendo: But of course this means that the Republicans are well on their way to having another perpetual wedge issue like they do with abortion.

I read that as "perpetual wedgie issue", and it still made perfect sense to me...

/Is this actually a repeat, though? The last story I remember was about KY not VA...


In a way this story is about KY and VA.
2014-02-14 07:34:13 AM
1 votes:
It is excellent to see my state in the headlines for something non-boneheaded.
2014-02-14 07:32:57 AM
1 votes:

elchip: When did the REPEAT tag first show up?


I've seen it, oh, 3 or 4 times before.  Usually means a story was greenlit already, but they like this headline so much, they have to green it, too.
2014-02-14 07:26:08 AM
1 votes:

Bendal: Conservatives here in NC are already losing their shiat over the judge ruling VA's anti-same sex marriage amendment is unconstitutional. NC has both a law and a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages, and they know it's only a matter of time before they're both overturned in court. Most of them are whining that NC voters should have the right to decide such things in their own state, not realizing that was the same argument used to keep blacks from voting, or desegregating the schools, or allowing women to vote, etc, etc.

/they're losing the war and they don't like it
//and they know they're losing it


You can't gerrymander the Constitution.
2014-02-14 07:14:46 AM
1 votes:

bmongar: I agree though I think Alaska has a shot at being late to the dance just because they have so far to drive.


There are strange things done 'neath the midnight sun, by the men who moil for gold...
2014-02-14 07:00:31 AM
1 votes:

HawgWild: Huh. I thought it was supposed to be the stages of an erection.

Guess I got wang on the brain, what with all this talk of gay marriage.

See what you are doing to me, gays?! Geez!


You know, a decent fraction of teh gheys don't have wangs in the first place.
2014-02-14 06:54:04 AM
1 votes:

SmackLT: caira: So, where are we tipping for last domino? Mississippi? Alabama? I'm thinking one of the Dakotas will make a dark horse run . . .

If I had to guess, I'd say Kansas


I agree though I think Alaska has a shot at being late to the dance just because they have so far to drive.
2014-02-14 06:44:45 AM
1 votes:

HawgWild: Huh. I thought it was supposed to be the stages of an erection.

Guess I got wang on the brain, what with all this talk of gay marriage.

See what you are doing to me, gays?! Geez!


I was thinking the same exact thing.

This whole gay marriage things means that my current marriage is completely null and void. I gots to go find me another man to gay marry.
2014-02-14 06:43:10 AM
1 votes:
Brilliant headline, subby. Pretty sure we'll be seeing this one again at the end of the year
2014-02-14 12:02:55 AM
1 votes:

phlegmmo: Dominoes.


abb3w: www.zen142533.zen.co.uk



Thank you! And yes it is pretty awesome how fast states are figuring it out now.
2014-02-13 11:51:37 PM
1 votes:
I don't get the headline.
 
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