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(Daily Mail)   Scientists claim to have discovered a "gay gene" that might prove homosexuality is decided by biology, not choice. Still can't explain how that gene gets passed down   ( divider line
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2014-02-14 12:26:41 AM  
9 votes:

timujin: The same way my brother and his wife, both with brown hair, had two red headed kids?

Are you implying that sexuality is determined by the mailman?
2014-02-14 12:53:51 AM  
8 votes:
Coincidentally, I have a gay cousin named Gene and he's dominant.
2014-02-14 01:31:48 AM  
6 votes:
Most genes get passed straight down. This one reaches around.
2014-02-14 12:37:23 AM  
5 votes:
What a gay jean might look like
2014-02-14 12:48:25 AM  
4 votes:

Asa Phelps: You don't think they try the straight life?
2014-02-14 12:37:11 AM  
4 votes:
A prenatal test for gayness would scramble the abortion debate nicely.
2014-02-14 01:30:32 AM  
3 votes:
Gdalescrboz: This has to make the gay community breath a sigh of relief. If indeed its a genetic mutation that means it is a disease, which can hopefully be fixed with gene therapy.


You're so derpy it's downright adorable :)
2014-02-14 01:17:47 AM  
3 votes:

Gdalescrboz: This has to make the gay community breath a sigh of relief. If indeed its a genetic mutation that means it is a disease, which can hopefully be fixed with gene therapy.

2014-02-14 12:53:53 AM  
3 votes:
2014-02-14 04:39:41 AM  
2 votes:

TOSViolation: TheJoe03: So being so fat you can die and being mentally challenged is the same as being attracted to the same sex? Exactly what evidence do you have for any of the insane shiat you are saying? You claim to be using science but I haven't seen any on your part. You can think what you want about gay people, my issue is with you comparing being gay with cancer, Down's syndrome, morbid obesity, and all the other diseases you are comparing homosexuality with. I like brunette chicks, I guess I'm the same as someone with breast cancer.

So having Down Syndrome means you can lead a pretty normal life, get a job, have a family, etc.  So, I guess fark them!  We shouldn't try to find a cure for Down Syndrome because that might make them feel sad.

Well, fark you for trying to ignore the problem.  The real problem is that people are assholes to people with Down Syndrome or who are homosexual.  Caring enough to try to cure their affliction is NOT being an asshole.

Consider the amount of bloodshed, slavery, imperialism and war they've wrought upon the world, wouldn't you also say that we should be working on a cure for being white?
After all, if we could cure whiteness, wouldn't we be just as amoral for not doing so as we would be if we failed to cure Down syndrome?
When you look at the belligerence, territoriality, bigotry, and tiny, barely usable penises - what's to like? It seems like eliminating  honkeyism would take priority over eliminating a minor defect like homosexuality.
If you disagree, you are a hypocrite.
2014-02-14 02:20:53 AM  
2 votes:

Mark Ratner: What a gay jean might look like

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2014-02-14 01:50:04 AM  
2 votes:
2014-02-14 01:37:30 AM  
2 votes:

Bane of Broone: Gdalescrboz: This has to make the gay community breath a sigh of relief. If indeed its a genetic mutation that means it is a disease, which can hopefully be fixed with gene therapy.

So they're like gay X-Men? I'd love to see those costumes!

Well, the mens' are fabulous, but for some reason the women's costumes involve a lot of flannel.
2014-02-14 01:33:53 AM  
2 votes:

timujin: The same way my brother and his wife, both with brown hair, had two red headed kids?

When she says, "The mailman had a large package," she wasn't talking about a shipment from Amazon.
2014-02-14 01:15:40 AM  
2 votes:

timujin: The same way my brother and his wife, both with brown hair, had two red headed kids?

It was very charitable of your brother and sister-in-law to adopt two gingers.
2014-02-14 01:10:23 AM  
2 votes:
The idea that ANYTHING in the human experience can be whittled down to "nature OR nurture" (i.e. genetic OR choice) is just too ridiculous for words. To me, anyway. And yet, people keep trying, trying, to prove that it's a floor wax OR a dessert topping!
2014-02-14 01:03:13 AM  
2 votes:
I heard that Dr. Thaddeus Venture had been working hard, even missing rest and nourishment to isolate the gay gene. If it wasn't for all the protestors and hearings, he would have destroyed it.

/I have a sister named Dawn?!?
2014-02-14 01:02:06 AM  
2 votes:
Now lesbians will do selective abortions to make sure they have gay female babies.

wait that's not right..

Now straights will do selective abortions to make sure they have gay male babies.


Now gay men will do selective................  aw crap

never mind.
2014-02-14 01:00:38 AM  
2 votes:

Yamaneko2: Asa Phelps: You don't think they try the straight life?

Especially the religious ones.

Here in Utah, gay dudes father a lot of children.

If there is a gay gene, then the 'phobes should get 100% behind gay marriage if they want to lessen the incidence of homosexual behavior.

Yeah, but that's like saying "The Pro-Lifers should advocate for sex education and easy access to contraception to reduce the number of abortions."  Logical, and yet they never seem to get behind such efforts.
2014-02-14 12:40:42 AM  
2 votes:
I had to google image search,"George Michael faith ass jeans" ...might be time to clear my browser
2014-02-14 12:27:53 AM  
2 votes:
2014-02-14 12:09:33 AM  
2 votes:
It gets passed down through evangelical suppression.  If Baptists really wanted to eliminate homosexuality, they need to embrace Darwin.
2014-02-14 12:02:42 AM  
2 votes:
The same way my brother and his wife, both with brown hair, had two red headed kids?
2014-02-14 01:16:15 PM  
1 vote:
 TOSViolation: What about me?  I don't want kids.  I don't want to get married (EVER).

I've got good news for you ...
2014-02-14 11:48:39 AM  
1 vote:

TOSViolation: TheJoe03: TOSViolation: Aussie_As: TOSViolation: Aussie_As: TOSViolation: They also discovered the Sickle cell gene too, but that doesn't mean we celebrate the fact that people are afflicted with it and refuse to treat them for the condition.

There's a fairly clear genetic basis to race as well. Which ones are you thinking of "treating"?

Race is not an affliction.  Homosexuality is an affliction much the same as Pica.

You're hilarious.

Your humor-detection is faulty.  This is not a joke.  No one should ever WANT to be gay.  It's an affliction.  No one should want to be agoraphobic or have OCD either.  There are plenty of afflictions for which we have no good treatment or cure.  Look how many people have cancer.  Look how many people are morbidly obese.  Very few people WANT to be morbidly obese, but still continue to overeat.

If there was a simple pill that would permanently cure breast cancer, Sickle cell, type 1 diabetes, schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, Parkinsons, or yes...HOMOSEXUALITY before (or after) symptoms show up, then the patient would be a fool not to take it (assuming no negative side effects).

There is no benefit to being gay.  There are plenty of gay people who make perfectly good contributions to the world which would not suffer one bit if they weren't gay.  It's not an asset.

Are you really comparing being gay with having cancer? Are you really that stupid? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt before I permanently mark you as a troll or just a big time moran. I see gays as a net positive since we are dealing with overpopulation and it helps to have less competition in the baby making game. BTW, sickle cell exists because it protects against malaria.

EXACTLY!  The Sickle cell gene does exist for a scientific reason, but the negative effects FAR outweigh the benefits.  Not having it is better than having it just the same as NOT being gay is better than being gay.  If you really believe homosexuality is natural population control, then ...

Ladies and gentlemen, we have either one of the stupidest posts of all time, right here, or a troll of magnificent proportions.

Either way, stand aside.
2014-02-14 11:31:59 AM  
1 vote:

2014-02-14 11:16:30 AM  
1 vote:
Several theories exist on how something like homosexuality, which ostensibly reduces the chances of successive reproduction, can be passed on genetically.

1. Gay genes are believed by some to increase fertility in the female relatives of the gay men (and women). This means that the genes are not being passed on by gays and lesbians but by their sisters and their cousins and their aunts.

2. Gays tend to have sex earlier as they struggle with self-esteem and their sexuality. This means they start reproducing earlier. They may also, if closeted, have more children during the reproductive years. Keeps the wife busy and possibly happy. There's an old saying "Lucky the woman who has a homosexual husband". They are attentive, sympathetic, good with children and fooling around behind your back. You may be showered with guilt gifts and he'll never look at your women friends or do it with your mother or sister.

3. Don't forget bisexuals. Exclusive gays are even rarer than exclusive heterosexuals. Bisexual men may father more children.

4. Bisexual and gay women don't have any problem having children. They can always find a man who wants to do it with a lesbian or two lesbians. In many species of birds and animals, gay or lesbian couples are scandalously common. In fact, homosexuality is scandalously common in many thousands of species. Scientists suspect that it has utility and thus promotes the survival and propagation of the species. Numerous theories are current.

5. There is an apparent connection between birth order and the probability of being gay. With or without gay genes, being gay may be congenital. The immune system of women is poorly understood but it sometimes goes wonky. This is more likely to happen with a male fetus. The risk of problems increases with the number of sons a woman has had, so health problems in younger sons of large families is more likely. It is also more likely for them to be gay.

In short, large families with many boys are more likely to produce gay and bisexual sons. Psychiatrists explain this in terms of psychology, but geneticists and doctors lean towards physical explanations.

With women carrying a gay gene predisposed to producing more children by fecundity, with gay men taking more interest in child-welfare, with more gays being born in large families, you can begin to see why the fact that religious conservatives outbreed liberal unbelievers might not eliminate gays, lesbians, bisexuals and other sexual minority groups  from the world.

It's a sort of cuckoo in the nest effect. The more conservatives breed, the more children they have rebelling against their damn fool belief systems and their inordinate disciplinary measures. Also, the more gays there are.

Mother Nature is sneaky and she pulls some real fast ones. Scientists aren't even sure that natural selection always works to eliminate anti-reproductive genes. As a rule, if a gene is not healthy, it is eliminated, but given the way natural selection works, some pretty stupid genes seem to survive because natural selection fail to work. For example, some of the steps necessary to eliminate a bad gene may actually make matters worse, so the mutations tend to be conserved. Think about politics: how many good ideas can't be put into practice because the steps necessary to realize reforms are contrary to vested interests who will kick up a royal stink if you try to implement changes one logical step at a time?

In short, homosexuality could be one of those things that you'd have to do serious damage to your chances of reproducing in order to eliminate.

Take Roman Catholics--they produce priests and nuns--celebate children. For centuries the number of religious orders and members has been pretty constant--as has the percentage of homosexuals. But if you wanted to increase population growth by removing celibacy from the vows of priests and nuns, you'd have to fight the church. And who would force the brothers and sisters of the priests and nuns to have too many children to compensate for the losses to the clergy? Roman Catholic countries are not only draining off a lot of "surplus population" to maintain a celibate clergy, but they are draining the smartest and the best. Many of whom are homosexuals, since the IQ of homosexuals seems to be a bit higher than the average of heterosexuals.

In theory, Roman Catholic countries ought to be getting stupider fast, but although their IQ seems a bit lower, the clergy do the work of the intellectuals in a Protestant or Muslim society, and they aren't that much less likely to father children than intellectuals are in any society.

Like homosexuals, celibates of other kinds may compensate in ways that keep the population up. Rich celibate aunts and uncles contribute largely to child care, education, medical bills, etc. They are available to baby-sit. They can give references to their cronies thanks to nepotism. And so forth.

In short, homosexuals have no problem reproducing. They just farm it out to the breeding stock.

From the point of view of a conservative, learning that their children are more likely to become atheist, gay, or liberal looks like bad news, but it maintains a social, political and genetic balance that is probably a good thing, all things considered. And what can they do? They can't morally abort fetuses because there's a good chance they won't be the spitting image of Momma and Poppa. They can't exercise birth control. They can't even use the RC approved rhythm method, because having fewer children runs contrary to all their beliefs and instincts.

From their point of view, gays, liberals and unbelievers are bad things. It's hard to see why a Loving Providence would allow them and the fact that Nature does just means shame, shame on Mother Nature. But you can see the fix they are in. They CAN'T eliminate the genetic, social or political causes of things they disapprove of because the system hits back. It's self-regulating and although it's not optimal from an ideological point of view, it is nearly impossible to shift without destroying the system altogether.

Most Americans consider themselves conservatives and by this they mean a dozen different things, but they can't eliminate the things they hate without falling into a tyranny they hate and fear more than sin and liberalism. You could, in principle, kill gays and lesbians, but you'd have to chuck democracy and human rights and religious charity to do so.

Every conservative has a reactionary to his right and a commie to his left. There's no room for movement on many issues. It's a losing battle, and if it were won it would be a Pyrrhic victory, worse than defeat.

Relax. "Sin" is as natural to man as water is to a fish. Stop trying to be a bird-man.

As the great mathematician and theologian said. "Man is neither an angel nor a beast. He who wishes to make man an angel, makes him a beast." "Qui veut faire l'ange, fait la bête." In French, it is a pun on beast and imbecile or fool.
2014-02-14 09:16:43 AM  
1 vote:
I don't believe this for a second.  I've been on fark long enough to know that owning a nice car or a gun causes penis shrinkage and the true cause of homosexuality is displaying disapproval in the homosexual lifestyle which leads to catching the dreaded homophobia which in truth causes homosexuality.  Stupid scientists should read fark.
2014-02-14 09:05:42 AM  
1 vote:

Want's a Bone

2014-02-14 08:43:55 AM  
1 vote:
The gay genes have a zipper in the back.
2014-02-14 08:24:06 AM  
1 vote:

Coming on a Bicycle: Science says homosexuality is learned behaviour.

I'm pretty sure you're confusing "science" with "letrole"...

TOSViolation: Gay people CANNOT create a child that is a blood relative to BOTH of them (directly, without using a sibling's or parent's genetic material).

2014-02-14 05:52:23 AM  
1 vote:
So in the future there will be a test for it?
2014-02-14 05:12:25 AM  
1 vote:
Hi guys, what's going on in this thread?
2014-02-14 05:09:55 AM  
1 vote:
If any inherited characteristic that I find offensive in a fellow human being is an "affliction" - why not eliminate them all? Why stop with homosexuality? What about stupid people? What about ugly people? What about short people - they certainly have no legitimate reason to live. What about "inferior" races? If we are going to do this thing - lets not do it half assed.
2014-02-14 04:54:01 AM  
1 vote:

TOSViolation: jso2897:.....

What about me?  I don't want kids.  I don't want to get married (EVER).

Watch out guys, looks like he's got an affliction!
2014-02-14 04:44:23 AM  
1 vote:
"Still can't explain how that gene gets passed down"

2014-02-14 04:42:18 AM  
1 vote:

TOSViolation: One final note:

By "caring enough to try to cure their affliction," I do NOT mean psychological torture, electroshock "therapy" or any other asinine thing people have tried in the past.  If scientists can find a retro-virus-genetic-fixing-serum they can inject into a baby with Down Syndrome (or dwarfism, Progeria, or whatever) that would cause them to develop normally (or even possibly some amazing new thing that would reverse the issues in an adult), then that would be a great thing.  There are people researching the limb regeneration features of some animals to see if they can come up with a way for humans to regrow missing limbs or other organs.  Imagine the medical beds from Elysium where you just lay down, and whatever is broken gets fixed.  It would not be inhumane to be able to correct homosexuality that way.

In truth, I think it would be great if such a device could help those with gender identity disorder.  Rather than mutilating their bodies to cosmetically appear to be the gender they feel they should be, they could ACTUALLY be converted to a real XX or XY that they feel they should be.

Acting like this isn't a real affliction doesn't help anyone.

Hey - I'm all in favor of "curing" everything that's wrong with everybody -- but let's start with you first.
2014-02-14 03:59:50 AM  
1 vote:

timujin: The same way my brother and his wife, both with brown hair, had two red headed kids?

Well ... is the mailman Irish?
2014-02-14 03:46:48 AM  
1 vote:
How is it passed down? Somehow, it just snowballs.
2014-02-14 02:39:34 AM  
1 vote:

EdgeRunner: Since a lot of us are waggling "X-Men cure" references about all willy-nilly, here's a little question for the group:

Say a genetic cause is solidly identified for homosexuality, followed by the discovery of a simple, painless, side effect-free treatment that guarantees all your children will be straight as a ruler. Would you want it?

On the contrary, if I had the power to do so, I would make all my daughters be lesbians until age 22 at least.  Then they get their switches flipped and start dating boys if they want.
2014-02-14 02:31:07 AM  
1 vote:

sethen320: "Daily Fail" comments. That's quite a change. What happened?

Because it goes without saying?
2014-02-14 01:53:03 AM  
1 vote:

Sum Dum Gai: As to how it gets passed down: many genes have multiple effects, and even the gender patterning of the brain has many different results - not just sexual orientation, but also the tendencies towards aggression versus compassion, etc.  A very, very heterosexual male who ends up killing or abandoning his offspring is not genetically advantageous.

Plus, since the genes involved would be related to sex hormones, it's very likely they have different effects in men and women.  For example, a gene that increased the odds of male homosexuality but also increased female fertility might be overall very advantageous for the species.  There's certainly no single "gay gene", but, like height, it's a combination of many genes forming a spectrum.

Not sure how you define 'sex hormones' exactly but what evidence is there to support your statement about them? Are you running the old crap about gay guys having more estrogen or something? Totally debunked.

Aside from some pretty poor science behind some of the statements you make, your overall conclusion seems likely. It is entirely likely   that a range of genes and environmental (nutrition/hormones/stress in the womb, metabolic and pschological incidents in development) would all be at play.

Bottom line is if your parents hate the fact you're gay, they can only blame themselves. They are responsible for all of the genetic and most of the environmental factors which would have played a role. Any dickhead who's all "How dare you be gay, get out of this house" to their gay kid is blaming entirely the wrong person.
2014-02-14 01:46:54 AM  
1 vote:
2014-02-14 01:46:30 AM  
1 vote:
I work in downtown Seattle, and a lot of the gay guys I know who are in their 40's have kids with an ex. It's a lot of societal pressure that allows the 'gay gene' to be passed, if there is one. As an aside, can I assume that anyone who says 'gay is a choice' has confronted that choice and decided NOT to be gay?
2014-02-14 01:25:19 AM  
1 vote:

Gdalescrboz: This has to make the gay community breath a sigh of relief. If indeed its a genetic mutation that means it is a disease, which can hopefully be fixed with gene therapy.

So they're like gay X-Men? I'd love to see those costumes!
2014-02-14 01:11:42 AM  
1 vote:

Bela_Bar-talk: They go to art school and lose their virginity infront of an audience?

Speaking of art school...
2014-02-14 01:07:50 AM  
1 vote:
Butt babies.
2014-02-14 01:06:13 AM  
1 vote:

timujin: The same way my brother and his wife, both with brown hair, had two red headed kids?

Recessive genes, how does they work?
2014-02-14 01:05:22 AM  
1 vote:
They go to art school and lose their virginity infront of an audience?
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