jso2897: TOSViolation: Aussie_As: @TOSViolation, just a few other points correcting some of yours.* On a global scale, the sickle cell gene has far more benefit than cost. Just not for carriers who aren't exposed to malaria. So your protestation otherwise is crap, and demonstrably so.* "Affliction" does not mean just whatever you want it to. Comparing being gay with having Pica, a psychological condition, or Downs Syndrome, a chromosomal condition, is flawed not least because both Pica and Downs create side-effects which require treatment and/or support to manage 'normally' in society. Same is true for morbid obesity, another example you tried. Gay people are and always have been all around us managing quite well without such support. You'd be surprised at who is/was gay and is just very, very quiet about it. Just because they are not out does not mean they are not gay. Being gay used to be defined as an affliction, then modern science started happening and we got over it (except for yourself obviously).* "Ask any kid who starts having homosexual feelings. I'm pretty sure they'll tell you they don't want them." is less and less true as less and less people hate gay people or write the things you do about them.* Conclusion of the above: you're a bigot. Why not just come out and admit it? Not fashionable sure but at least you're not a lying sack of horseshiat, which you're doing a great impression of currently.No. You just have your head so far up your ass that you can't see the truth. Try to shove it a little farther, and you might be able to see the light coming down your throat.I'm a bigot because I homosexuals are disadvantaged by being forced to go to extraordinary measures to have a child? Well, fark you then. Troll.But what about you? Melanin deficient, unathletic, overweight, tiny penised - I think working on your caucasian affliction is more important that curing somebody's homosexuality. You can be in denial all you want, but your refusal to face the truth doesn't change anything.
Coming on a Bicycle: There are plenty of 'part-time homosexuals' (sailors, inmates, bored husbands etc) to disprove the notion that it is purely a genetic thing.
thrgd456: So an injection of sickle cells will give me a longer penis? Sign me up!
Aussie_As: thrgd456: So an injection of sickle cells will give me a longer penis? Sign me up!So close and yet....Being of African descent gives you a massively increased chance of having .... the sickle cell gene. (Cos those without these genes were more likely to succumb to malaria, not coz of anything racist, it's just another example of natural selection. If both your parents carry the gene there's a one-in-four chance you'll get sickle cell.)
TheJoe03: Coming on a Bicycle: There are plenty of 'part-time homosexuals' (sailors, inmates, bored husbands etc) to disprove the notion that it is purely a genetic thing.Wouldn't that just be called bisexual? You do have a point, maybe sexuality is all just preference. Some people like blue some people like green some people like whatever.
ciberido: brimed03: ciberido: Gdalescrboz: This has to make the gay community breath a sigh of relief. If indeed its a genetic mutation that means it is a disease, which can hopefully be fixed with gene therapy.Awwww.You're so derpy it's downright adorable :)I'm pretty sure he was kidding.Since I already had Gdalescrboz down as"anti-feminist (x2), harsh (x3), hostile Conservative (x5), blame-the-Victim (x2), argument by strawman (x10) , dumb (x5), macho, belligerent (x4), and derptastical rape apologist"in addition to "homophobe (x3)" even before this thread began, I rather doubt it.
TOSViolation: I don't want to get married (EVER).
TheJoe03: It's like saying you need to take drugs because you like brunettes or something.
jso2897: indignant, like an old whore whose virtue has been impugned,
TopoGigo: jso2897: indignant, like an old whore whose virtue has been impugned,I am contractually obliged to inform you, sir, that I will be blatantly stealing the sh*t out of that line.
tiggis: I have predicted for years that they would find a gay gene.As a christian the bible allows for this and in some cases suggests it.The only Religious people who deny things like this are the ones who dont understand their bible.
12349876: Because evolution doesn't give a shiat about individuals.Maybe it's population control, maybe there's social benefits for non-reproducing members, maybe the genes would produce a very fertile person of the opposite sex, maybe it's just a quirk. Life doesn't need a 100% survival and reproduction rate. Modern medicine has inflated the low percentage of humans that have been able to reproduce historically and other animals like fish and insects lay hundreds if not thousands of eggs knowing the vast majority are going to die before reproducing.
chocolate covered poop: I would also contend that from an evolutionary standpoint, some degree of homosexuality is beneficial
Coming on a Bicycle: Science says homosexuality is learned behaviour.
TOSViolation: Gay people CANNOT create a child that is a blood relative to BOTH of them (directly, without using a sibling's or parent's genetic material).
COMALite J: "It's genetic" vs. "It's a choice" is the Fallacy of the False Dichotomy in action. There are other possiblities as well.Many traits are congenital, which means that one is born with the trait and has it throughout life. Most cannot be altered, and those that can are often only cosmetically altered, and require substantial medical intervention at that. And yet, congenital traits are not necessarily genetic.Examples of non-genetic (or at least non-inheritable genetic) congenital conditions include (but are not limited to):• Harelip, Cleft Palate, etc.• Spina Bifida and other neural tube defects (caused by insufficient folate in the pregnant mother's diet).• Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS ― caused by alcohol imbibed by the pregnant mother)• Thalidomide Babies (caused by the mother having used the otherwise mostly harmless pharmaceutical Thalidomide)• Any of a number of birth defects caused by the mother having contracted Rubella aka "German measles during pregnancy.• Any of a number of birth defects caused by Rh[esus] blood factor incompatibility between the mother and the fetus (the reason that blood tests are often required for a marriage license, to see if the husband is Rh+ and the wife is Rh− ― this one could be considered technically genetic and in a sense inherited, but is not caused by the direct expression of inherited genes).• Retrolental Fibroplasia (not strictly congenital, but happens very shortly after birth in premies only, and well before normal full-term birth would've happened ― the eyes and lungs are among the last things to develop prior to birth as neither will be needed until after birth, so premies often need oxygen under pressure, but this accelerates the growth of the still-growing retina, causing a column of retinal tissue to grow from the macula area often all the way to the back of the lens, resulting in lifelong blindness ― still a life-long condition that cannot easily be corrected that does not arise from genetics)
RobSeace: Coming on a Bicycle: Science says homosexuality is learned behaviour.I'm pretty sure you're confusing "science" with "letrole"...
timujin: The same way my brother and his wife, both with brown hair, had two red headed kids?
ciberido: In the case of male homosexuality, there's evidence of a fraternal birth order effect. I'm not aware of any similar correlation with lesbians.
Coming on a Bicycle: RobSeace: Coming on a Bicycle: Science says homosexuality is learned behaviour.I'm pretty sure you're confusing "science" with "letrole"...And *I* am pretty sure that you are confusing 'reading (and selectively quoting) one sentence' with 'reading an entire post'.
Triumph: A prenatal test for gayness would scramble the abortion debate nicely.
RobSeace: Coming on a Bicycle: RobSeace: Coming on a Bicycle: Science says homosexuality is learned behaviour.I'm pretty sure you're confusing "science" with "letrole"...And *I* am pretty sure that you are confusing 'reading (and selectively quoting) one sentence' with 'reading an entire post'.Come on, it was an obvious joke... You can't expect to use the phrase "learned behavior" around here without calling to mind The Troll...
omeganuepsilon: I'm curious if I'm marked at all. I could certainly use a good laugh.
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CivicMindedFive: I don't believe this for a second. I've been on fark long enough to know that owning a nice car or a gun causes penis shrinkage and the true cause of homosexuality is displaying disapproval in the homosexual lifestyle which leads to catching the dreaded homophobia which in truth causes homosexuality. Stupid scientists should read fark.
Gyrfalcon: The idea that ANYTHING in the human experience can be whittled down to "nature OR nurture" (i.e. genetic OR choice) is just too ridiculous for words. To me, anyway. And yet, people keep trying, trying, to prove that it's a floor wax OR a dessert topping!
TopoGigo: RobSeace: Coming on a Bicycle: RobSeace: Coming on a Bicycle: Science says homosexuality is learned behaviour.I'm pretty sure you're confusing "science" with "letrole"...And *I* am pretty sure that you are confusing 'reading (and selectively quoting) one sentence' with 'reading an entire post'.Come on, it was an obvious joke... You can't expect to use the phrase "learned behavior" around here without calling to mind The Troll...Behavior is my surname, you ass.You know, his appearances are getting rarer and rarer. Before long, nobody will even get that joke.
TOSViolation: TheJoe03: TOSViolation: Aussie_As: TOSViolation: Aussie_As: TOSViolation: They also discovered the Sickle cell gene too, but that doesn't mean we celebrate the fact that people are afflicted with it and refuse to treat them for the condition.There's a fairly clear genetic basis to race as well. Which ones are you thinking of "treating"?Race is not an affliction. Homosexuality is an affliction much the same as Pica.You're hilarious.Your humor-detection is faulty. This is not a joke. No one should ever WANT to be gay. It's an affliction. No one should want to be agoraphobic or have OCD either. There are plenty of afflictions for which we have no good treatment or cure. Look how many people have cancer. Look how many people are morbidly obese. Very few people WANT to be morbidly obese, but still continue to overeat.If there was a simple pill that would permanently cure breast cancer, Sickle cell, type 1 diabetes, schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, Parkinsons, or yes...HOMOSEXUALITY before (or after) symptoms show up, then the patient would be a fool not to take it (assuming no negative side effects).There is no benefit to being gay. There are plenty of gay people who make perfectly good contributions to the world which would not suffer one bit if they weren't gay. It's not an asset.Are you really comparing being gay with having cancer? Are you really that stupid? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt before I permanently mark you as a troll or just a big time moran. I see gays as a net positive since we are dealing with overpopulation and it helps to have less competition in the baby making game. BTW, sickle cell exists because it protects against malaria.EXACTLY! The Sickle cell gene does exist for a scientific reason, but the negative effects FAR outweigh the benefits. Not having it is better than having it just the same as NOT being gay is better than being gay. If you really believe homosexuality is natural population control, then ...
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fusillade762: He said: 'The thing that's consistent across all of them is that they all point to sexual orientation being something fundamental to a person rather than the lifestyle choice some opponents of equality repeatedly suggest.'Let's go out on a very, very long limb here and assume that it IS a choice: I still don't understand why anyone would give a fark.
TOSViolation: I've already defined "normal" as being able to procreate with your chosen spouse to directly pass on your own genes (before or after any corrective treatments have been applied) to your offspring who will carry on as your legacy when you die.
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