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2014-02-14 01:34:05 AM
You know, it's hilarious how these bigots fail in one state, they move across state lines and try to do it in other states. Tennessee and Mississippi are currently in State and SCOTUS cases due to their state constitutions both having a ban on same-sex marriage, and Kansas just passed one yesterday.

Eventually, they're going to run out of states. And history will remember them with the same mentality as they remembered people in the 1950s who campaigned against racial integration.

As a side note, is it hilarious. sad or ironic to hear African Americans use the same arguments against GLBT rights as racists used against their rights only 50 years ago?
 
2014-02-14 01:40:16 AM
Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!
 
2014-02-14 01:41:03 AM

hardinparamedic: You know, it's hilarious how these bigots fail in one state, they move across state lines and try to do it in other states. Tennessee and Mississippi are currently in State and SCOTUS cases due to their state constitutions both having a ban on same-sex marriage, and Kansas just passed one yesterday.

Eventually, they're going to run out of states. And history will remember them with the same mentality as they remembered people in the 1950s who campaigned against racial integration.

As a side note, is it hilarious. sad or ironic to hear African Americans use the same arguments against GLBT rights as racists used against their rights only 50 years ago?


All three. It just depends on my mood and the amount of gin in my system.
 
2014-02-14 01:42:25 AM
Wow, this really IS a bad week for the homophobes.
 
2014-02-14 01:42:44 AM
:-)
 
2014-02-14 01:43:21 AM

hardinparamedic: You know, it's hilarious how these bigots fail in one state, they move across state lines and try to do it in other states. Tennessee and Mississippi are currently in State and SCOTUS cases due to their state constitutions both having a ban on same-sex marriage, and Kansas just passed one yesterday.

Eventually, they're going to run out of states. And history will remember them with the same mentality as they remembered people in the 1950s who campaigned against racial integration.

As a side note, is it hilarious. sad or ironic to hear African Americans use the same arguments against GLBT rights as racists used against their rights only 50 years ago?


Yeah, this.

I am a resident of Northern VA and it's about time.  My cousin has the gay (used to be a Pastor, no seriously) and has been waiting for our state to do the right thing to marry his guy.  Your day will come soon Mark!
 
2014-02-14 01:47:01 AM
I'm straight, white, and male so I am pretty sure this is oppressing me.
 
2014-02-14 01:48:58 AM
wooooooo
 
2014-02-14 01:49:59 AM

ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!


Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.
 
2014-02-14 01:53:15 AM
Our AG refused to defend the ban - he said Virginia had been on the wrong side in too many civil rights struggles.

Cannot WAIT to watch Fox this morning. Bet it will be, "Judge decided to pull these shenanigans while people were distracted by/dying in the storm."

Also, "AG Herring betrayed Virginians by refusing to do his job and uphold a voter-approved prohibition."
 
2014-02-14 01:54:23 AM
And another domino falls, thus proving that gay marriage is communism and the US should have invaded Massachusetts to stop its spread.
 
2014-02-14 01:54:37 AM

ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!


Just in time to be tossed out by the courts!
 
2014-02-14 01:57:01 AM

Twist2005: Cannot WAIT to watch Fox this morning. Bet it will be, "Judge decided to pull these shenanigans while people were distracted by/dying in the storm."

Also, "AG Herring betrayed Virginians by refusing to do his job and uphold a voter-approved prohibition."


You might also want to keep an eye on Joe My God.  He revels in their pain.
 
2014-02-14 01:58:55 AM
Quite the load, eh?
 
2014-02-14 02:02:43 AM
So what's the over/under in when a case gets to the Supreme Court for another 5-4 decision?
 
2014-02-14 02:02:50 AM

Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.


Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.
 
2014-02-14 02:04:27 AM
Well, at least the new Governor and Senate won't have to figure out some way to work around the House of Delegates.
 
2014-02-14 02:05:36 AM
fark the Southeast Mennonite Conference, by the way. fark those intolerant ass-faces.
 
2014-02-14 02:10:18 AM

ciberido: Wow, this really IS a bad week for the homophobes.


Good, fark 'em. They'd hate that.
 
2014-02-14 02:10:19 AM

ciberido: Wow, this really IS a bad week for the homophobes.


Good, yes : )
 
2014-02-14 02:12:27 AM

Polish Hussar: Twist2005: Cannot WAIT to watch Fox this morning. Bet it will be, "Judge decided to pull these shenanigans while people were distracted by/dying in the storm."

Also, "AG Herring betrayed Virginians by refusing to do his job and uphold a voter-approved prohibition."

You might also want to keep an eye on Joe My God.  He revels in their pain.


Oh my god, his first guy is Tony Perkins. Brilliant!! Thank you for this. I need sleep and coffee before reading the ruling, but now I can sleep dreaming of Mr. Hate Group's frustrated sobs of self-loathing. Thanks again!!!
 
2014-02-14 02:14:58 AM

hardinparamedic: You know, it's hilarious how these bigots fail in one state, they move across state lines and try to do it in other states. Tennessee and Mississippi are currently in State and SCOTUS cases due to their state constitutions both having a ban on same-sex marriage, and Kansas just passed one yesterday.


It's really not so different than how the Pro-Life crowd "lost" back in 1973 with Roe v. Wade and yet, over 40 years later they're still fighting abortion (and even gaining some ground).  Their tenacity is phenomenal: imagine how much better the world would be if they had put all that energy into fighting poverty or world hunger or any of a dozen other worthwhile causes.


hardinparamedic: As a side note, is it hilarious. sad or ironic to hear African Americans use the same arguments against GLBT rights as racists used against their rights only 50 years ago?


It's almost essential.  Unless you're a soulless monster, you pretty much have to be unaware of what it would be like to be on the receiving end of this kind of discrimination, or otherwise in some sort of denial of what the actual consequences of the policies you're advocating will be.

I believe it was Socrates who argued that most if not all of what we call "evil" comes from ignorance: a truly rational and wise being would understand that any action which harms another is ultimately self-harming, and thus rational self-interest leads to abstaining from action that harms others.  I don't think that is sufficient to explain EVERY hateful or selfish act, but I do think a lot of what is hateful, harmful, selfish, and malicious is due largely to a failure to fully appreciate consequences.

I know a lot of people object to the word "homophobe" but I think it's pretty accurate: the key idea is that this revulsion comes largely from fear and a failure to understand --- and not from malice or evil.  Unfortunately, as Master Yoda said, fear leads to hate, which leads to suffering.

/Yeah, I quoted a Muppet --- sue me.
 
2014-02-14 02:22:47 AM
Maybe, if we gave the anti gay folks some kind of codified ethics, they'd lighten up? Something like a book that tells them to treat others as they want to be treated?
 
2014-02-14 02:23:06 AM

Polish Hussar: The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.


Republicans are kind of in a bind. None of the major employers in the state wanted it, since it's really anti-business legislation, and they knew it was just going to cost the state millions of dollars defending in court. But they have to play to their derpy base. So they just changed the language to punt the issue. They still can say they voted to ban gay marriage, but it won't have any impact.
 
2014-02-14 02:26:45 AM

ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.


I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.
 
2014-02-14 02:27:55 AM

hardinparamedic: You know, it's hilarious how these bigots fail in one state, they move across state lines and try to do it in other states. Tennessee and Mississippi are currently in State and SCOTUS cases due to their state constitutions both having a ban on same-sex marriage, and Kansas just passed one yesterday.


I say that it's actually the pro gay marriage people going around in secret getting these these anti gay marriage laws passed.  You can't challenge a law if there's not a law to challenge.

Though, I suppose it's much more likely that the morons are freaking out and playing right into their hand.
 
2014-02-14 02:31:11 AM

ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.


Thanks.  The Dish (Andrew Sullivan's site) and Joe My God have been the main ways I've been following it.  Joe My God has had more coverage, but that's to be expected as it's explicitly an LGBT blog and news aggregator.

Your uncle sounds awesome and I'd love to try his blackened Mahi-Mahi.  Like you I'm a straight dude who supports marriage equality.  If the courts don't overturn it, I'm hoping we can get rid of Michigan's constitutional amendment banning gay marriage at the ballot box in 2016.  Our state constitution is ridiculously easy to amend.  A certain number of signatures gets your amendment on the ballot.  Once it's on the ballot a simple majority in a statewide vote is all it takes to make it part of our constitution.  The LGBT powers that be are waiting until 2016 because they want the higher Democratic turnout of a presidential election year, we're gerrymandered to hell so the amount of safe Republican districts depresses Democratic turnout in midterm years.  I imagine they also want another 2 years for public opinion to keep shifting in their direction.  And I'm rambling.
 
2014-02-14 02:34:00 AM

Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that h ...


gifrific.com
 
2014-02-14 02:34:37 AM

ghambone: Maybe, if we gave the anti gay folks some kind of codified ethics, they'd lighten up? Something like a book that tells them to treat others as they want to be treated?


It would never work. They'd obsess over a mythical story about a couple towns getting destroyed instead.
 
2014-02-14 02:35:42 AM

Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.


I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.
 
2014-02-14 02:35:43 AM

Abacus9: Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.


It's a really complicated issue that isn't well understood. People have ideas, but without more research, no one can say definitively.
 
2014-02-14 02:36:19 AM
 
2014-02-14 02:39:37 AM
Oog trust Jean-Claudé guard Oog village when Oog hunt. Jean-Claudé strong, Jean-Claudé not want rape Oog daughter!

See?
 
2014-02-14 02:48:15 AM

ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.


That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.
 
2014-02-14 02:48:45 AM

Abacus9: I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp?


I don't know, but apparently gaydar is a real thing.  There have also been studies showing correlations between homosexuality and hair whorl direction in men (though the evidence is weak), as well as the relative lengths of fingers.  So it is possible that there could be some kind of correlation between voice and sexual orientation, though personally I suspect voice is more "cultural" than biological.
 
2014-02-14 02:55:06 AM

ransack.: Oog trust Jean-Claudé guard Oog village when Oog hunt. Jean-Claudé strong, Jean-Claudé not want rape Oog daughter!

See?


Why is Oog French? ;)
 
2014-02-14 02:59:12 AM
Wake me up, When North Carolina does it.
 
2014-02-14 03:03:37 AM

Abacus9: ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.

That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.


1 most gay men dont have a lisp.

I think the ones that do get it from sucking on cocks that have a prince albert
 
2014-02-14 03:06:35 AM
Am I the only one who read that as, Vagina is for gay lovers?
 
2014-02-14 03:06:49 AM

Abacus9: I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.


It's an honest question, and deserves an honest response. I don't have one, but that isn't important right now.

My theory: it is an identifier. The origins may be of question, but just as one can adopt a southern accent when desired, one can also adopt a gay lisp.

Hell, haven't you ever said something and then immediately thought that what you said sure sounded gay? You can gaydar yourself, you know.
 
2014-02-14 03:11:09 AM

Abacus9: ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.

That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.


It's a trait that's actually been dying out over the years. Now sure, some kids have it (it's not a lisp, by the way, it's called a "syllabant S"), but my experience has been that more often than not, it's a cultural affectation that people pick up cuz they're around it.

Gay culture hasn't always considered itself a sexual thing. It actually wasn't until the 70s and 80s that anal sex even became a thing. Back in the day, it was considered more of a gender thing. Gay dudes used call each other by women's names (we still refer to each other as Mary or marys) and that's where "hey girl" comes from, too.

Camping as an art form really kind of developed back then, too (drag queens, sequins, etc.).

FWIW, I also think that's part of where gaydar comes from. We carry ourselves a certain way just as a shared cultural experience. I do it because Mark does it because Rick does it because Steve does it. And clothes/music/other styles are the same way.

/not based on any scientific studies or anything, just years in the gay bars and as such. I'm sure there are contradictory viewpoints as well
//original question wasn't offensive at all - for the most part we can tell the difference between someone whose is asking a legit question and someone who is being a dick. Most of us realize that people who haven't lived it can't really understand it unless we all discuss it.
///at this rate, the whole thing will be over in a year
 
2014-02-14 03:11:57 AM
Good news because the alternative is,

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-14 03:16:16 AM

peterquince: Abacus9: ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.

That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.

It's a trait that's actually been dying out over the years. Now sure, some kids have it (it's not a lisp, by the way, it's called a "syllabant S"), but my experience has been that more often than not, it's a cultural affectation that people pick up cuz they're around it.

Gay culture hasn't always considered itself a sexual thing. It actually wasn't until the 70s and 80s that anal sex even became a thing. Back in the day, it was considered more of a gender thing. Gay dudes used call each other by women's names (we still refer to each other as Mary or marys) and that's where "hey girl" comes from, too.

Camping as an art form really kind of developed back then, too (drag queens, sequins, etc.).

FWIW, I also think that's part of where gaydar comes from. We carry ourselves a certain way just as a shared cultural experience. I do it because Mark does it because Rick does it because Steve does it. And clothes/music/other styles are the same way.

/not based on any scientific studies or anything, just years in the gay bars and as such. I'm sure there are contradictory viewpoints as well
//original question wasn't offensive at all - for the most part we can tell the difference between someone whose is asking a legit question and someone who is being a dick. Most of us realize that people who haven't lived it can't really understand it unless we all discuss it.
///at this rate, the whole thing will be over in a year


shiat. I left part out.

Because the gays of that generation saw it as a gender thing, they camped up ideas of feminitity and made them kind if a game. It took something that was a weakness growing up and turned it into power.

And those gays of a certain age are something fierce, let me tell you. If I'm ever hate-crimed, I want a bunch of 50-year-old biatches behind me cuz those farkers can FIGHT.
 
2014-02-14 03:20:13 AM

peterquince: Abacus9: ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.

That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.

It's a trait that's actually been dying out over the years. Now sure, some kids have it (it's not a lisp, by the way, it's called a "syllabant S"), but my experience has been that more often than not, it's a cultural affectation that people pick up cuz they're around it.

Gay culture hasn't always considered itself a sexual thing. It actually wasn't until the 70s and 80s that anal sex even became a thing. Back in the day, it was considered more of a gender thing. Gay dudes used call each other by women's names (we still refer to each other as Mary or marys) and that's where "hey girl" comes from, too.

Camping as an art form really kind of developed back then, too (drag queens, sequins, etc.).

FWIW, I also think that's part of where gaydar comes from. We carry ourselves a certain way just as a shared cultural experience. I do it because Mark does it because Rick does it because Steve does it. And clothes/music/other styles are the same way.

/not based on any scientific studies or anything, just years in the gay bars and as such. I'm sure there are contradictory viewpoints as well
//original question wasn't offensive at all - for the most part we can tell the difference between someone whose is asking a legit question and someone who is being a dick. Most of us realize that people who haven't lived it can't really understand it unless we all discuss it.
///at this rate, the whole thing will be over in a year


I used to work with a gay dude at Subway who abhorred anal sex and thought it was disgusting and was part of some online "Gays against sodomy" organization and told me that his just did oral, "tugging", "frotting" (note: looking up frotting on Wikipedia is NSFW), and something he called irrumatio which means you hump the space between your partners thighs I guess.

But he would just rage if anyone ever insinuated he liked butts or anything, he would go on about hepatitis and AIDS destroying the gay community and such and reiterate that he had never penetrated a butt nor been butt-penetrated.

It made for some awkward moments but I did learn that there's a lot of gays like that, and I didn't know that before, so I guess knowing him helped me be a better person. But it was still gross hearing about how he knew guys who got warts in their mouth from other guys poo particles
 
2014-02-14 03:22:21 AM

ciberido: Abacus9: I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp?

I don't know, but apparently gaydar is a real thing.  There have also been studies showing correlations between homosexuality and hair whorl direction in men (though the evidence is weak), as well as the relative lengths of fingers.  So it is possible that there could be some kind of correlation between voice and sexual orientation, though personally I suspect voice is more "cultural" than biological.


Here's a link I bumped into (?) while researching another Fark thread just now which discusses this in some detail, the author is a gay neuroscience professor:  http://www.simonlevay.com/the-science-of-sexual-orientation

I think the 'traditional' stereotypes are dying out as homophobia decreases. My stepson is 17 and has had gay school friends for years. These guys didn't seem very campy, unlike the kids I went to school with whom everyone 'knew' were gay from age 12 and who indeed turned out to be queer as (not that they admitted this in school, unlike today's gay kids or at least many of them). I guess in these days of Grindr you don't need a lisp and a man bag to get picked up.
 
2014-02-14 03:28:13 AM

ransack.: peterquince: Abacus9: ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.

That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.

It's a trait that's actually been dying out over the years. Now sure, some kids have it (it's not a lisp, by the way, it's called a "syllabant S"), but my experience has been that more often than not, it's a cultural affectation that people pick up cuz they're around it.

Gay culture hasn't always considered itself a sexual thing. It actually wasn't until the 70s and 80s that anal sex even became a thing. Back in the day, it was considered more of a gender thing. Gay dudes used call each other by women's names (we still refer to each other as Mary or marys) and that's where "hey girl" comes from, too.

Camping as an art form really kind of developed back then, too (drag queens, sequins, etc.).

FWIW, I also think that's part of where gaydar comes from. We carry ourselves a certain way just as a shared cultural experience. I do it because Mark does it because Rick does it because Steve does it. And clothes/music/other styles are the same way.

/not based on any scientific studies or anything, just years in the gay bars and as such. I'm sure there are contradictory viewpoints as well
//original question wasn't offensive at all - for the most part we can tell the difference between someone whose is asking a legit question and someone who is being a dick. Most of us realize that people who haven't lived it can't really understand it unless we all discuss it.
///at this rate, the whole thing will be over in a year

I used to work with a gay dude at Subway who abhorred anal sex and thought it was disgusting and was part of some online "Gays against sodomy" organization and told me that his just did oral, "tugging", "frotting" (note: looking up frotting on Wikipedia is NSFW), and something he called irrumatio which means you hump the space between your partners thighs I guess.

But he would just rage if anyone ever insinuated he liked butts or anything, he would go on about hepatitis and AIDS destroying the gay community and such and reiterate that he had never penetrated a butt nor been butt-penetrated.

It made for some awkward moments but I did learn that there's a lot of gays like that, and I didn't know that before, so I guess knowing him helped me be a better person. But it was still gross hearing about how he knew guys who got warts in their mouth from other guys poo particles


No. No he didn't. No way.

Don't get me wrong, certain aspects of butt sex are gross. But anyone getting mouth warts from poo particles is having sex with a deeply unhygienic person and doesn't have the self-respect to ensure their partner isn't gross.

I live in NYC and lived in Chicago most of my life. Probably two of the top handful of cities for gay cay sex. And my friends in both cities are both slutty and graphic. I've never heard of anyone having this problem.

Also, warts come from other warts. Not from poo.
 
2014-02-14 03:35:19 AM

powhound: Abacus9: I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

It's an honest question, and deserves an honest response. I don't have one, but that isn't important right now.

My theory: it is an identifier. The origins may be of question, but just as one can adopt a southern accent when desired, one can also adopt a gay lisp.

Hell, haven't you ever said something and then immediately thought that what you said sure sounded gay? You can gaydar yourself, you know.


I embarrassed myself once in college for this reason. I sound reasonably masculine to myself when I speak, but when I hear a recording of myself it sounds effeminate, at least to my ear.

I didn't intend to get a cascade of responses, but thanks all,
 
2014-02-14 03:38:08 AM

peterquince: ransack.: peterquince: Abacus9: ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.

That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.

It's a trait that's actually been dying out over the years. Now sure, some kids have it (it's not a lisp, by the way, it's called a "syllabant S"), but my experience has been that more often than not, it's a cultural affectation that people pick up cuz they're around it.

Gay culture hasn't always considered itself a sexual thing. It actually wasn't until the 70s and 80s that anal sex even became a thing. Back in the day, it was considered more of a gender thing. Gay dudes used call each other by women's names (we still refer to each other as Mary or marys) and that's where "hey girl" comes from, too.

Camping as an art form really kind of developed back then, too (drag queens, sequins, etc.).

FWIW, I also think that's part of where gaydar comes from. We carry ourselves a certain way just as a shared cultural experience. I do it because Mark does it because Rick does it because Steve does it. And clothes/music/other styles are the same way.

/not based on any scientific studies or anything, just years in the gay bars and as such. I'm sure there are contradictory viewpoints as well
//original question wasn't offensive at all - for the most part we can tell the difference between someone whose is asking a legit question and someone who is being a dick. Most of us realize that people who haven't lived it can't really understand it unless we all discuss it.
///at this rate, the whole thing will be over in a year

I used to work with a gay dude at Subway who abhorred anal sex and thought it was disgusting and was part of some online "Gays against sodomy" organization and told me that his just did oral, "tugging", "frotting" (note: looking up frotting on Wikipedia is NSFW), and something he called irrumatio which means you hump the space between your partners thighs I guess.

But he would just rage if anyone ever insinuated he liked butts or anything, he would go on about hepatitis and AIDS destroying the gay community and such and reiterate that he had never penetrated a butt nor been butt-penetrated.

It made for some awkward moments but I did learn that there's a lot of gays like that, and I didn't know that before, so I guess knowing him helped me be a better person. But it was still gross hearing about how he knew guys who got warts in their mouth from other guys poo particles

No. No he didn't. No way.

Don't get me wrong, certain aspects of butt sex are gross. But anyone getting mouth warts from poo particles is having sex with a deeply unhygienic person and doesn't have the self-respect to ensure their partner isn't gross.

I live in NYC and lived in Chicago most of my life. Probably two of the top handful of cities for gay cay sex. And my friends in both cities are both slutty and graphic. I've never heard of anyone having this problem.

Also, warts come from other warts. Not from poo.


I didn't really believe the mouth warts thing was real either, but I hope you weren't calling out my whole story because I swear to you that it all of it true but I can't tell you his name or anything because that's against the rules here.

He also taught me that HPV, which women fear because it causes cervical cancer but the mass media portrays as harmless to men, and makes them out to be only asymptomatic carriers going around injecting women with cancer, men with HPV can cause other dudes to grow anal warts.

Which actually is a gross true fact. And men are never tested treated or vaccinated for HPV. Causing anal warts to be rampant. According to redacted homosexual Sandwich Artist, and verified by my wife, who is an RN with a BS from IU.
 
2014-02-14 03:43:27 AM

ciberido: It's really not so different than how the Pro-Life crowd "lost" back in 1973 with Roe v. Wade and yet, over 40 years later they're still fighting abortion (and even gaining some ground).


Not really on the gaining ground part.  The best they've managed is shaving a couple weeks off the time limit (which only affected a couple outliers to begin with, "late term" abortion isn't really a thing that people do willingly... they'll usually keep the kid or abort in the first trimester or the very early second trimester) in a few states, and even that's getting reversed.  Even the vaginal ultrasound thing is more annoying than a real obstacle, an insult rather than any kind of real barrier... and those made it into the law for all of like a minute and a half.

Trying to play it like their efforts have even achieved anything by their own standards is giving the bible-thumping morons WAY too much credit for competence.  All they've done is turned themselves into easily-manipulated political pawns: ironically they don't even make bishop in this metaphor.
 
2014-02-14 03:51:46 AM

peterquince: Abacus9: ransack.: Abacus9: ransack.: Polish Hussar: ransack.: Meanwhile here in Indiana, the constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage is very close to passing!

Not quite.  Because the language of the amendment passed by the House and Senate was different it can't go to the voters this year.  Indiana requires that amendments to the state constitution be passed by two different legislatures; both houses have to approve identical language, then they wait until there's been an election, then they have to approve the language again.  Now the earliest the amendment can go to the voters is 2016.  The views of the electorate might shift enough in those two years that they'll just drop the effort.  The Republican leadership had to engage in a lot of political maneuvering, like changing which committees were responsible for the measure, just to get it to a vote.

Wow you are on top of this, Google says this news is 8 hours old. I wasn't aware of this, I've been hearing about the progression of this on IPR and it's embarrassing.

I fully support gay marriage, fwiw, my dad's brother was a Mennonite pastor in Sarasota, FL for many years but then he got teh ghay and left his wife of two decades and eventually married a guy who owned a boat tour company or something and they moved to Connecticut and my uncle now attends Yale divinity school and is studying to be some kind of high-level homosexual Mennonite priest.

He also has a very stereotypical gay male voice and wears birkenstocks and tye-dyed tank tops and I suspected he was gay since I was a kid, 15 years before he ever admitted to teh ghay, and he's really cool and hilarious and I love him, and he makes an awesome blackened Mahi-mahi.

I have a serious question, and don't want to sound like an ignorant ass. I support gay people and everyone else. But this has always puzzled me.

Why do so many gay guys talk with a lisp? I grew up with, and met several guys with lisps that turned out to be gay, while I don't know a single straight guy that has one.

On a couple occasions, I've heard guys that came out, and then developed the lisp.

Sorry if this sounds bigoted, I'm really not, just trying to understand. FWIW, I don't care who talks how or does who else in the bedroom, just always wondered as a matter of curiosity.

I think, honestly, it's evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality. It gives a hint to other males that this particular individual is not interested in mating with your wife or daughters, but is still a physically capable man who can contribute to the welfare of the tribe by hunting and building huts. He helps his family, and his sisters to survive, and in that way furthers his genome, but the homosexuals are good to leave behind to guard the village from invaders while the hunting parties are out, etc.
Homosexual men fill a niche biological role in all types of societies, and the lisp makes them known as non-threatening to "alpha male" types. I've been drinking a bit but I think I got my point across.

That's ok, I've been drinking quite a bit. Interesting hypothesis, perhaps it's true, who knows. It could explain why effeminate boys with lisps often end up gay. It doesn't explain why a heterosexual guy who later becomes gay develops a lisp. I always wondered if it was an affectation. I grew up in a very conservative, religious family.

It's a trait that's actually been dying out over the years. Now sure, some kids have it (it's not a lisp, by the way, it's called a "syllabant S"), but my experience has been that more often than not, it's a cultural affectation that people pick up cuz they're around it.

Gay culture hasn't always considered itself a sexual thing. It actually wasn't until the 70s and 80s that anal sex even became a thing. Back in the day, it was considered more of a gender thing. Gay dudes used call each other by women's names (we still refer to each other as Mary or marys) and that's where "hey girl" comes from, too.

Camping as an art form really kind of developed back then, too (drag queens, sequins, etc.).

FWIW, I also think that's part of where gaydar comes from. We carry ourselves a certain way just as a shared cultural experience. I do it because Mark does it because Rick does it because Steve does it. And clothes/music/other styles are the same way.

/not based on any scientific studies or anything, just years in the gay bars and as such. I'm sure there are contradictory viewpoints as well
//original question wasn't offensive at all - for the most part we can tell the difference between someone whose is asking a legit question and someone who is being a dick. Most of us realize that people who haven't lived it can't really understand it unless we all discuss it.
///at this rate, the whole thing will be over in a year


Thanks for the info. I disagree with one point: anal sex was around in ancient times, but you probably meant in modern America. Also, I don't think I knew about the camp thing.
 
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