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2014-02-14 05:33:03 PM  

Thingster: Scrotastic Method: Thingster: In the scheme of things, it almost never happens.

If every single unlawful shooting in the us were perpetrated by a unique individual, thousandths(0.00x%) of a percent of gun owners shoot someone.

But every single time "almost never" turns into "actually did," which happens more here than anywhere else in the world, that means a human being is dead. I don't want to brush that off as some sort of statistical outlier.

Just the amount of innocent people killed by accident, mistake, etc. in Oakland every goddamn year is enough for me.

You have no concept of risk and likelihood and a bit of tunnel vision here.

The lions in Africa comparison above spot on.

I don't know what else to say besides you've already come to your conclusion and your working on rationalizing how you got there.

Rationally, there are a lot of things to get rid of before guns if we're really looking at how dangerous the item is.


People that are for banning guns to "save lives" don't understand what a Pareto chart is.
 
2014-02-14 05:36:10 PM  

Thingster: The lions in Africa comparison above spot on.


Except lions live in Africa. If humans never evolved, lions would live in Africa. They have every right to do so. Firearms are not a native species. Firearms are not something that we necessarily share the world with, they are tools we invented to kill each other.

Farkage: Statistically you're more likely to get killed or injured by a pool.


Also a really stupid goddamn comparison. Because pools are hella fun, and they're good for exercise, and barbecuing next to one is awesome, etc. Guns only make things dead. You can't do a 1:1 statistical comparison on that. That's why the gun nut "derp more people die in cars derp" reply is also nonsense.

And there are laws about putting fences around your pool, and about licensing and insuring drivers for that matter -- just like we need laws about not carrying firearms around.
 
2014-02-14 05:40:35 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Thingster: The lions in Africa comparison above spot on.

Except lions live in Africa. If humans never evolved, lions would live in Africa. They have every right to do so. Firearms are not a native species. Firearms are not something that we necessarily share the world with, they are tools we invented to kill each other.

Farkage: Statistically you're more likely to get killed or injured by a pool.

Also a really stupid goddamn comparison. Because pools are hella fun, and they're good for exercise, and barbecuing next to one is awesome, etc. Guns only make things dead. You can't do a 1:1 statistical comparison on that. That's why the gun nut "derp more people die in cars derp" reply is also nonsense.

And there are laws about putting fences around your pool, and about licensing and insuring drivers for that matter -- just like we need laws about not carrying firearms around.


Holy shiat you're myopic.
 
2014-02-14 05:47:28 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Because pools are hella fun


Oh, I'm sorry.  You see, I didn't realize that the fact you are multiple times more likely to be injured or killed by a pool makes it okay as long as you, personally, have labeled them as "Hella fun".  Hmm...okay, so the fact my friends and I think going target and skeet shooting is "Hella fun" means we can keep our guns then!  Problem solved. Thanks.

And yes, I absolutely can do a statistical comparison on it, unless you're trying to tell me it's a COMPLETELY different kind of dead.
 
2014-02-14 05:52:39 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Guns only make things dead


Millions upon millions of clay pigeons and paper targets say you're completely and utterly wrong and very very silly.
 
2014-02-14 06:06:26 PM  

ChaosStar: Scrotastic Method: Guns only make things dead

Millions upon millions of clay pigeons and paper targets say you're completely and utterly wrong and very very silly.


Which is funny, because if you read back in the thread, you'll see that I mentioned how I used to be a competitive clay shooter. And that I took my wife to the range this summer to shread a few dozen paper targets so she'd have handgun familiarity and education in case it was ever needed. And that I'm not talking about shotguns, or basic hunting rifles, but tools of death that nobody needs.

Farkage: Oh, I'm sorry.  You see, I didn't realize that the fact you are multiple times more likely to be injured or killed by a pool makes it okay as long as you, personally, have labeled them as "Hella fun".  Hmm...okay, so the fact my friends and I think going target and skeet shooting is "Hella fun" means we can keep our guns then!  Problem solved. Thanks.


Cherry pick 5 words out of a reasoned response and attack them as if it was the entire message -- I see you're on the Republican National Committee.
 
2014-02-14 06:08:29 PM  
Scrotastic Method

Because pools are hella fun, and they're good for exercise...

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson
 
2014-02-14 06:12:55 PM  

ChaosStar: Scrotastic Method: Guns only make things dead

Millions upon millions of clay pigeons and paper targets say you're completely and utterly wrong and very very silly.


Well, they *would* say that but they're dead, too.
 
2014-02-14 06:13:21 PM  

Thingster: You have no concept of risk and likelihood


No, dude, it's because I DO have these concepts that I care. Why do conservatives never vote to take care of the poor, or to spend on education, or to shore up gun control? Because things are fine for them, so fark everyone else. They lack the empathy and understanding that bad things can also happen to them. I know that my risk of being on either of end of gun violence is incredibly small. But nonetheless gun violence happens every single day in this country. The nation averages 270 deaths and injuries a day from gun violence. That means a 100% likelihood of 270 people a day being farking shot. That's enough for me.

That's the difference between you and me, I guess. It's why, as a straight dude, I support gay marriage, and as a white dude, I support civil rights, and fight against right-wing "voter fraud" garbage, and why, even as a relatively well off dude, I still support massive regulation of the banks and efforts to tax the rich. Because I don't need to be afraid of something happening to me to want it to not happen to other people.
 
2014-02-14 06:19:26 PM  

Scrotastic Method: And that I'm not talking about shotguns, or basic hunting rifles, but tools of death that nobody needs.


Oh, well silly me then lets just look back at where I misunderstood you.

Scrotastic Method: Guns only make things dead.


Huh.. well, clearly I missed the memo where shotguns and "basic" hunting rifles (I don't really know what those are anyway) were no longer guns.
So you're cool with me walking around with two 18" barrel 870's in crossed scabbards on my back right?
 
2014-02-14 06:23:20 PM  

ChaosStar: So you're cool with me walking around with two 18" barrel 870's in crossed scabbards on my back right?


The fact that you think you even want to gives me hope that you'd fail the mental health portion of the licensing process.
 
2014-02-14 06:23:56 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Why do conservatives never vote to take care of the poor


Because we understand the majority of the money doesn't get used to actually take care of the poor.

Scrotastic Method: or to spend on education


Probably because we think they should be able to get by on the $11,000 per student we're spending right now.

Scrotastic Method: to shore up gun control


Because gun control is useless and does nothing to protect the law abiding not to mention infringes on a right.

Is there anything else I can try and answer for you? I'm glad to help.
 
2014-02-14 06:26:24 PM  

Scrotastic Method: And that I'm not talking about shotguns, or basic hunting rifles, but tools of death that nobody needs.


Since when are inherent rights about need?
 
2014-02-14 06:26:59 PM  

Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: So you're cool with me walking around with two 18" barrel 870's in crossed scabbards on my back right?

The fact that you think you even want to gives me hope that you'd fail the mental health portion of the licensing process.


Actually, I'm a LEO, so I don't have to have a license.
 
2014-02-14 06:31:16 PM  

ChaosStar: Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: So you're cool with me walking around with two 18" barrel 870's in crossed scabbards on my back right?

The fact that you think you even want to gives me hope that you'd fail the mental health portion of the licensing process.

Actually, I'm a LEO, so I don't have to have a license.


You allege you're in law enforcement yet you'd be cool if everyone walking around had two shotguns with them at all times? Even though you brought up a shiatty shotgun like the 870 -- you're either a bad cop, a blind fool, or a lying Farker.
 
2014-02-14 06:33:33 PM  

ChaosStar: Is there anything else I can try and answer for you? I'm glad to help.


No, because you've proven my point. Your feelings on those issues show that you don't care about the people, but your idea of what the financial impacts are, and I'm willing to bet it's because you consider yourself safe from all of that. So you simply don't care.
 
2014-02-14 06:56:22 PM  

Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: So you're cool with me walking around with two 18" barrel 870's in crossed scabbards on my back right?

The fact that you think you even want to gives me hope that you'd fail the mental health portion of the licensing process.

Actually, I'm a LEO, so I don't have to have a license.

You allege you're in law enforcement yet you'd be cool if everyone walking around had two shotguns with them at all times? Even though you brought up a shiatty shotgun like the 870 -- you're either a bad cop, a blind fool, or a lying Farker.


I don't allege, I flat out said I was a LEO.
South Carolina State Constable, level 3 advanced. Feel free to look it up. My father is a level 2.
Yes, I'd be cool with it, because unlike you I don't soil my drawers every time I see a firearm.

Nice to see you've got nothing left but personal attacks, guess you're bag of excuses and misdirections has finally emptied huh?
 
2014-02-14 07:02:45 PM  

Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: Is there anything else I can try and answer for you? I'm glad to help.

No, because you've proven my point. Your feelings on those issues show that you don't care about the people, but your idea of what the financial impacts are, and I'm willing to bet it's because you consider yourself safe from all of that. So you simply don't care.


Your bleeding heart is showing.
You're wrong though, I do care. I want people to be able to stand on their own instead of being dependent on the government to send them money every month.
What you don't seem to grasp is throwing more money at the problems will not fix anything. That we spent ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS per student in the country flat out proves that.
 
2014-02-14 07:05:13 PM  

Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: Scrotastic Method: Guns only make things dead

Millions upon millions of clay pigeons and paper targets say you're completely and utterly wrong and very very silly.

Which is funny, because if you read back in the thread, you'll see that I mentioned how I used to be a competitive clay shooter. And that I took my wife to the range this summer to shread a few dozen paper targets so she'd have handgun familiarity and education in case it was ever needed. And that I'm not talking about shotguns, or basic hunting rifles, but tools of death that nobody needs.

Farkage: Oh, I'm sorry.  You see, I didn't realize that the fact you are multiple times more likely to be injured or killed by a pool makes it okay as long as you, personally, have labeled them as "Hella fun".  Hmm...okay, so the fact my friends and I think going target and skeet shooting is "Hella fun" means we can keep our guns then!  Problem solved. Thanks.

Cherry pick 5 words out of a reasoned response and attack them as if it was the entire message -- I see you're on the Republican National Committee.


My most sincere apologies!  Let me try again...

Scrotastic Method: Thingster: The lions in Africa comparison above spot on.

Except lions live in Africa. If humans never evolved, lions would live in Africa. They have every right to do so. Firearms are not a native species. Firearms are not something that we necessarily share the world with, they are tools we invented to kill each other.

Farkage: Statistically you're more likely to get killed or injured by a pool.

Also a really stupid goddamn comparison. Because pools are hella fun, and they're good for exercise, and barbecuing next to one is awesome, etc. Guns only make things dead. You can't do a 1:1 statistical comparison on that. That's why the gun nut "derp more people die in cars derp" reply is also nonsense.

And there are laws about putting fences around your pool, and about licensing and insuring drivers for that matter -- just like we need laws about not carrying firearms around.


Oh, I'm sorry.  You see, I didn't realize that the fact you are multiple times more likely to be injured or killed by a pool makes it okay as long as you, personally, have labeled them as "Hella fun".  Hmm...okay, so the fact my friends and I think going target and skeet shooting is "Hella fun" means we can keep our guns then!  Problem solved. Thanks.

And yes, I absolutely can do a statistical comparison on it, unless you're trying to tell me it's a COMPLETELY different kind of dead.

Better?  And now that we've covered that, a 10 year old is allowed to buy a car, by him or herself by the way!  Even on a super scary internet sale!  Scared yet?  And they can *gasp* drive it on private property and in quite a few states on public land without a license, registration or insurance!  The horror, right??  You need a license to be on a road with it.  On top of that, driving is a privelage, not an enumerated right, so that works against your analogy as well.
And by the way, I'm a Democrat.  I just happen to not wet my pants at the sight of an inanimate object and I support the ENTIRE Constitution.
 
2014-02-14 07:09:39 PM  

Farkage: And now that we've covered that, a 10 year old is allowed to buy a car, by him or herself by the way! Even on a super scary internet sale! Scared yet? And they can *gasp* drive it on private property and in quite a few states on public land without a license, registration or insurance!


Aww damn, I missed that part. I was waiting for him to bring up drivers so I could smack him in the face with this.
/ihasasad
 
2014-02-14 07:10:45 PM  

Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: Scrotastic Method: ChaosStar: So you're cool with me walking around with two 18" barrel 870's in crossed scabbards on my back right?

The fact that you think you even want to gives me hope that you'd fail the mental health portion of the licensing process.

Actually, I'm a LEO, so I don't have to have a license.

You allege you're in law enforcement yet you'd be cool if everyone walking around had two shotguns with them at all times? Even though you brought up a shiatty shotgun like the 870 -- you're either a bad cop, a blind fool, or a lying Farker.


You should REALLY learn what you're talking about when it comes to LEOs and firearms dude...  I'll just leave this here for your reading pleasure...
 
2014-02-14 07:11:50 PM  

ChaosStar: Farkage: And now that we've covered that, a 10 year old is allowed to buy a car, by him or herself by the way! Even on a super scary internet sale! Scared yet? And they can *gasp* drive it on private property and in quite a few states on public land without a license, registration or insurance!

Aww damn, I missed that part. I was waiting for him to bring up drivers so I could smack him in the face with this.
/ihasasad


Lol, sorry man.  Is there a way to go back and delete a post??
 
2014-02-14 07:26:14 PM  

ChaosStar: Kahabut: Neither is anyone in the vicinity.

Only two rounds missed the target, and one of those went over the targets head.
It's a little hyperbolic to say no one in the vicinity is walking away, don't you think?


4 missed, and who knows how many didn't even hit the paper.  The grouping is horrible and again, stationary target.  So no.
 
2014-02-14 07:28:04 PM  

Kahabut: ChaosStar: Kahabut: Neither is anyone in the vicinity.

Only two rounds missed the target, and one of those went over the targets head.
It's a little hyperbolic to say no one in the vicinity is walking away, don't you think?

4 missed, and who knows how many didn't even hit the paper.  The grouping is horrible and again, stationary target.  So no.


No sir, only two missed.
Unless you live in a world of floating, bowling pin shaped peoples.
The lower two just caught the bad guy in a place no man really wants to think about catching a bullet.
 
2014-02-14 07:32:47 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Kahabut

Look, it's simple. I don't care if you carry a gun. I care that when you pull it out, you know how to use it properly. The real world isn't as forgiving as a target range, you go wide on your shots like that picture and you're going to kill some innocent third party. That target wasn't moving, so this guy shoots so bad AT A STATIONARY target that he can't even hit the silhouette every time? And you gave him a permit to carry? fark that.

In the theory, of course, we're all of the same mind. But as it happens, in the real world, we not only let people walk around with such skills or their lack, we give them special dispensation of authority. That in mind, I don't find it unimaginable that such a person should have the right to defend himself, what with those we expect to do more showing the same lack of acuity.

/see: Empire State Building shootings, 2012


OK yea, the real world isn't a shooting range.  And police aren't necessarily talented with a firearm.  But this is just plain wrong.  If you can't operate to a minimum of efficiency, you shouldn't be granted a permit that implies you can.  No one is stopping him from carrying, and thereby defending himself by denying him a permit that, at the very least, implies he knows how to operate a gun.

You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.  If you believe your life is in danger, open carry is probably (in most cases) better for you anyway.  On one side, open carry announces your intent to defend yourself.  On the other, it makes accessing your weapon considerably faster under all but the most extreme cases.  In both ways, it's a better solution.

What open carry doesn't do is provide an endorsement that says you know how to operate  gun.  If that target is the best he can manage, he should not have been given a permit.
 
2014-02-14 07:34:28 PM  

ChaosStar: Kahabut: ChaosStar: Kahabut: Neither is anyone in the vicinity.

Only two rounds missed the target, and one of those went over the targets head.
It's a little hyperbolic to say no one in the vicinity is walking away, don't you think?

4 missed, and who knows how many didn't even hit the paper.  The grouping is horrible and again, stationary target.  So no.

No sir, only two missed.
Unless you live in a world of floating, bowling pin shaped peoples.
The lower two just caught the bad guy in a place no man really wants to think about catching a bullet.


It's not a man, it's a target, you aim for the outlined bits.  By any standard that isn't "internet potato" he missed at least 4 times.
 
2014-02-14 07:38:37 PM  

Farkage: You should REALLY learn what you're talking about when it comes to LEOs and firearms dude... I'll just leave this here for your reading pleasure...


Y'all talk the talk but don't walk the walk.  It's the Sheriffs and Chiefs who are keeping concealed carry away from civilians in California, and your unions are spending millions of your dollars lobbying to restrict civilian firearm ownership.
 
2014-02-14 07:43:41 PM  

ChaosStar: demaL-demaL-yeH: Your first instinct when a pedestrian is hit by a car is to slap leather and shoot up a car? Good to know.
*clicks profile*
Haven't been in SC since I left Ft. Jackson. Never intended to go back, but thanks for giving me an additional reason to stay away.
Protip: Arizona is a horrible place to visit.

You just keep earning that troll tag I gave you.
Honestly, if it was you that was hit by the car I'd probably tell the drive to back up and make sure they finished the job, but I know you already know exactly what I meant and you're just being willfully ignorant.
That's why you went to the personal attack, cause you've got nothing concrete to argue from.


Somebody who called me a farking AIT washout know-it-all  is accusing me of making a personal attack. That's rich.

Let's review:

ChaosStar: Honestly, if it was you that was hit by the car I'd probably tell the drive to back up and make sure they finished the job,


You're skating on very, very thin ice, constable, and I am requesting a very nicely worded apology.
1. 18 U.S.C. § 875(c)
2. S.C. Code 16-17-430(2)


ChaosStar: See, this is where people like you can't seem to wrap your head around the bigger picture.
Guy gets run over
Bad guys in the car get out to knife run over guy
A half dozen bystanders draw their CCW's and the bad guys are either prodigiously perforated or they run away at the show of force


Just checking here:
A half dozen people opening fire on a crowded street is what you want, constable?
You'd be happy to drive up on either that or the aftermath?
If you honestly answered "yes" to either, it would seem to me that you're either waaaay overdue for a piss test, or have suffered two egregiously horrible lapses in judgement in a very short period of time, and would refer you to the appropriate health professionals. (See? That's how you make it personal without crossing any lines.)
 
2014-02-14 07:46:17 PM  

Kahabut: ChaosStar: Kahabut: ChaosStar: Kahabut: Neither is anyone in the vicinity.

Only two rounds missed the target, and one of those went over the targets head.
It's a little hyperbolic to say no one in the vicinity is walking away, don't you think?

4 missed, and who knows how many didn't even hit the paper.  The grouping is horrible and again, stationary target.  So no.

No sir, only two missed.
Unless you live in a world of floating, bowling pin shaped peoples.
The lower two just caught the bad guy in a place no man really wants to think about catching a bullet.

It's not a man, it's a target, you aim for the outlined bits.  By any standard that isn't "internet potato" he missed at least 4 times.


So let me get this straight: It's a target, yet by your words all the people in the vicinity are dead. You're allowed to juxtapose the scenarios but I'm not? Is that what I'm understanding?
Face it man, you went hyperbolic and sounded stupid. It happens to us all.
 
2014-02-14 07:51:10 PM  

fnordfocus: Farkage: You should REALLY learn what you're talking about when it comes to LEOs and firearms dude... I'll just leave this here for your reading pleasure...

Y'all talk the talk but don't walk the walk.  It's the Sheriffs and Chiefs who are keeping concealed carry away from civilians in California, and your unions are spending millions of your dollars lobbying to restrict civilian firearm ownership.


I'm not a cop.  I just posted the survey.

fnordfocus: and your unions are spending millions of your dollars lobbying to restrict civilian firearm ownership.


Citation please.
 
2014-02-14 07:54:44 PM  

Kahabut: You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.


LOL, try that in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennesea, Texas, Utah, California, New Jersey or New York.  Let us know how that works out for you.

You really need to check your facts before vomiting all over the thread.
 
2014-02-14 08:04:36 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Somebody who called me a farking AIT washout know-it-all is accusing me of making a personal attack. That's rich.


The truth isn't a personal attack. Especially not one from who knows how many weeks ago in a completely different thread?
You don't have many friends do you? You just sit online and stew in your own misery and self pity while keeping a notepad full of the names of your enemies, don't you?

demaL-demaL-yeH: Just checking here:
A half dozen people opening fire on a crowded street is what you want, constable?
You'd be happy to drive up on either that or the aftermath?
If you honestly answered "yes" to either, it would seem to me that you're either waaaay overdue for a piss test, or have suffered two egregiously horrible lapses in judgement in a very short period of time, and would refer you to the appropriate health professionals. (See? That's how you make it personal without crossing any lines.)


You're such an adorable little troll.
Please quote where I said half a dozen people would open fire? Or do you believe guns can't be put back into a holster until they've taken a life?
Like I said, you've got no position to argue from so you just pop a pimple or two then make something up.
/There's a bridge missing you, troll.
 
2014-02-14 08:08:07 PM  

Callous: Kahabut: You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.

LOL, try that in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennesea, Texas, Utah, California, New Jersey or New York.  Let us know how that works out for you.

You really need to check your facts before vomiting all over the thread.


Georgia has a form of open carry, just requires you be in a vehicle to do it without a permit.
South Carolina says you can conceal carry in your vehicle if you're going to someplace where you can conceal carry without a permit (a private residence say), going to an event involving firearms, or going hunting.
Can't speak for the other states.

So you're both right, and both wrong.
 
2014-02-14 08:11:18 PM  

ChaosStar: demaL-demaL-yeH: Somebody who called me a farking AIT washout know-it-all is accusing me of making a personal attack. That's rich.

The truth isn't a personal attack. Especially not one from who knows how many weeks ago in a completely different thread?
You don't have many friends do you? You just sit online and stew in your own misery and self pity while keeping a notepad full of the names of your enemies, don't you?

demaL-demaL-yeH: Just checking here:
A half dozen people opening fire on a crowded street is what you want, constable?
You'd be happy to drive up on either that or the aftermath?
If you honestly answered "yes" to either, it would seem to me that you're either waaaay overdue for a piss test, or have suffered two egregiously horrible lapses in judgement in a very short period of time, and would refer you to the appropriate health professionals. (See? That's how you make it personal without crossing any lines.)

You're such an adorable little troll.
Please quote where I said half a dozen people would open fire? Or do you believe guns can't be put back into a holster until they've taken a life?
Like I said, you've got no position to argue from so you just pop a pimple or two then make something up.
/There's a bridge missing you, troll.


Noted.
Badge number?
 
2014-02-14 08:17:15 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: ChaosStar: demaL-demaL-yeH: Somebody who called me a farking AIT washout know-it-all is accusing me of making a personal attack. That's rich.

The truth isn't a personal attack. Especially not one from who knows how many weeks ago in a completely different thread?
You don't have many friends do you? You just sit online and stew in your own misery and self pity while keeping a notepad full of the names of your enemies, don't you?

demaL-demaL-yeH: Just checking here:
A half dozen people opening fire on a crowded street is what you want, constable?
You'd be happy to drive up on either that or the aftermath?
If you honestly answered "yes" to either, it would seem to me that you're either waaaay overdue for a piss test, or have suffered two egregiously horrible lapses in judgement in a very short period of time, and would refer you to the appropriate health professionals. (See? That's how you make it personal without crossing any lines.)

You're such an adorable little troll.
Please quote where I said half a dozen people would open fire? Or do you believe guns can't be put back into a holster until they've taken a life?
Like I said, you've got no position to argue from so you just pop a pimple or two then make something up.
/There's a bridge missing you, troll.

Noted.
Badge number?


Gosh, I hope you're doing this on a work computer.
 
2014-02-14 08:19:01 PM  
Kahabut

OK yea, the real world isn't a shooting range. And police aren't necessarily talented with a firearm.

Agreed...

You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.

In many locations, this is simply incorrect. You cannot carry a firearm in many places without permit, regardless of concealed or no.
 
2014-02-14 08:40:26 PM  

Callous: Kahabut: You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.

LOL, try that in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennesea, Texas, Utah, California, New Jersey or New York.  Let us know how that works out for you.

You really need to check your facts before vomiting all over the thread.


Allow me to rephrase.   I don't need a permit to carry one.
 
2014-02-14 08:43:23 PM  

ChaosStar: Kahabut: ChaosStar: Kahabut: ChaosStar: Kahabut: Neither is anyone in the vicinity.

Only two rounds missed the target, and one of those went over the targets head.
It's a little hyperbolic to say no one in the vicinity is walking away, don't you think?

4 missed, and who knows how many didn't even hit the paper.  The grouping is horrible and again, stationary target.  So no.

No sir, only two missed.
Unless you live in a world of floating, bowling pin shaped peoples.
The lower two just caught the bad guy in a place no man really wants to think about catching a bullet.

It's not a man, it's a target, you aim for the outlined bits.  By any standard that isn't "internet potato" he missed at least 4 times.

So let me get this straight: It's a target, yet by your words all the people in the vicinity are dead. You're allowed to juxtapose the scenarios but I'm not? Is that what I'm understanding?
Face it man, you went hyperbolic and sounded stupid. It happens to us all.


You aren't even making sense any more troll.
I extrapolated the usage of the gun based on the target shooting.  When target shooting you aim for the target.  He missed the farking target.  So, by a simple feat of mental power, I am able to extrapolate those misses into possible hits on non-target subjects.

If you want to nit pick that technically some of those misses would have actually hit the target, had it been human instead of paper.  Fine.  Doesn't change a damn thing, he's still a terrible farking shot.

Face it man, you're just wrong.
 
2014-02-14 09:55:23 PM  
Farkage:fnordfocus: and your unions are spending millions of your dollars lobbying to restrict civilian firearm ownership.

Citation please.


For starters, PORAC and the California Police Chiefs Association put a lot of resources into California's recent open carry ban.  Since most Chiefs and Sheriffs refuse to issue CCW permits, this took away the only legal way for civilians to  carry in public.
 
2014-02-14 10:28:05 PM  

fnordfocus: Farkage:fnordfocus: and your unions are spending millions of your dollars lobbying to restrict civilian firearm ownership.

Citation please.

For starters, PORAC and the California Police Chiefs Association put a lot of resources into California's recent open carry ban.  Since most Chiefs and Sheriffs refuse to issue CCW permits, this took away the only legal way for civilians to  carry in public.


I was referring to the millions that police unions are spending on lobbying.
 
2014-02-14 10:38:59 PM  

Kahabut: Callous: Kahabut: You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.

LOL, try that in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennesea, Texas, Utah, California, New Jersey or New York.  Let us know how that works out for you.

You really need to check your facts before vomiting all over the thread.

Allow me to rephrase.   I don't need a permit to carry one.


LEO?
 
2014-02-14 11:13:30 PM  

Farkage: I was referring to the millions that police unions are spending on lobbying.


PORAC spent millions on getting open carry banned in California.  Most of that would have come from member unions.
 
2014-02-14 11:21:19 PM  

fnordfocus: Farkage: I was referring to the millions that police unions are spending on lobbying.

PORAC spent millions on getting open carry banned in California.  Most of that would have come from member unions.


Okay, I had never heard of PORAC before and I'm admittedly not up on California politics. Either way, PORAC isn't a police union. That would have surprised me. Keep in mind though, on the other side of the fence, there are sherrifs in CO that refuse to enforce the new gun control laws. The Police One survey is accurate.
 
2014-02-14 11:29:38 PM  

fnordfocus: Farkage: I was referring to the millions that police unions are spending on lobbying.

PORAC spent millions on getting open carry banned in California.  Most of that would have come from member unions.


Are the Chiefs and Sherrifs elected in California? I know the state is pretty heavily Democratic, which could explain the anti-gun push by them.
 
2014-02-14 11:41:51 PM  

Farkage: fnordfocus: Farkage: I was referring to the millions that police unions are spending on lobbying.

PORAC spent millions on getting open carry banned in California.  Most of that would have come from member unions.

Are the Chiefs and Sherrifs elected in California? I know the state is pretty heavily Democratic, which could explain the anti-gun push by them.


Just to clarify for you, the coast is heavily democrat.  The inland is heavily republican.  It's about even with the democrats usually having an edge in statewide elections.

/and before anyone jumps on me, there are pockets of opposite party affiliation.
 
2014-02-14 11:53:01 PM  

OgreMagi: Farkage: fnordfocus: Farkage: I was referring to the millions that police unions are spending on lobbying.

PORAC spent millions on getting open carry banned in California.  Most of that would have come from member unions.

Are the Chiefs and Sherrifs elected in California? I know the state is pretty heavily Democratic, which could explain the anti-gun push by them.

Just to clarify for you, the coast is heavily democrat.  The inland is heavily republican.  It's about even with the democrats usually having an edge in statewide elections.

/and before anyone jumps on me, there are pockets of opposite party affiliation.


Oh, okay. Thanks for the insight. I guess that isn't too much of a surprise since California is huge. NY has the same kind of breakup where the southeast is pretty democratic and it swings the other way as you go northwest.
 
2014-02-15 12:16:50 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Noted.
Badge number?


You're adorable, you really are.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Gosh, I hope you're doing this on a work computer.


You really don't know what a state constable is do you? Why don't you go read a little, then come back and say you're sorry ok pumpkin?
 
2014-02-15 12:21:35 AM  

Farkage: Oh, okay. Thanks for the insight. I guess that isn't too much of a surprise since California is huge. NY has the same kind of breakup where the southeast is pretty democratic and it swings the other way as you go northwest.


Many of the Sheriffs who refuse to issue permits are in fact Republicans: Sheriff Ahern of Alameda County, Sheriff Gore of San Diego County, and probably Sheriff Livingston of Contra Costa County.
 
2014-02-15 01:19:29 AM  

Callous: Kahabut: Callous: Kahabut: You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.

LOL, try that in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennesea, Texas, Utah, California, New Jersey or New York.  Let us know how that works out for you.

You really need to check your facts before vomiting all over the thread.

Allow me to rephrase.   I don't need a permit to carry one.

LEO?


Don't call me name, I didn't do anything to you.
 
2014-02-15 02:48:44 AM  

Kahabut: Callous: Kahabut: Callous: Kahabut: You don't need a permit to carry a gun, you need a permit to conceal one.

LOL, try that in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennesea, Texas, Utah, California, New Jersey or New York.  Let us know how that works out for you.

You really need to check your facts before vomiting all over the thread.

Allow me to rephrase.   I don't need a permit to carry one.

LEO?

Don't call me name, I didn't do anything to you.


You're saying that to simply pick a gun up and carry it with you, you require no license.  That's true.  We all, with working hands and arms, have the ability to do so.

You are not talking about the legality of such act.

Is that correct?
 
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