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2014-02-13 09:59:23 PM

Descartes: I figure it's no more likely for a gay man to look at a hot straight man showering, than it is for a straight man to look at a hot lesbian woman showering.


Particularly since it is something he has done all his life. The whole mystery/naughty/taboo angle is entirely gone.
 
2014-02-13 10:00:03 PM

Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper:

Would you rather these concerns go stay silent and so never addressed and at some point in time something happens that causes lgbt rights to suffer a setback or address them and find the best solution that works for the everyone rights.

This could be bad... for gays.


YES!! I WOULD!! There are NO RIGHTS!! Other than the rights for EVERYONE! Why does ever minority or gay or ANYONE need MORE RIGHTS than ANYONE ELSE!?!?!

Answer...they don't.
 
2014-02-13 10:03:23 PM
an inverse way of looking at this illustrating somewhat of a double standard is letting a gay man shower with women because he isn't attracted to them. i think people would have a problem with that too and it seems similar to the belief you can shower with the same sex only as long as they don't have an attraction to you. dunno folks got all kinds of weird 'omg someone may see a private' issues in this country. I still think we will see people get more private as this becomes a common issue. there is a chance folks will just chill the fark out but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
2014-02-13 10:16:56 PM

Gestankfaust: The TRUTH is that we DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE GAY OR NOT!! STOP TELLING US!!!


I don't care that you're farking straight, yet still you keep putting pictures up to show people that not only are you straight, you've found someone to mate with... FFS, you even wear a special ring to advertise it.

Also, if mutability is the defining feature, stop telling me about your f'n religion.
 
2014-02-13 10:27:08 PM

trappedspirit: The shower scenario is simple math.  You have a bunch of guys in a shower and what are the chances of anyone one being gay.  Pretty low, right?  So, this gay guy then gets aroused by another dude he sees.  What are the odds that that dude will also be gay?  Pretty low, right?  Now, what are the odds of both of them being gay and there not being anyone else there willing to start beating on any two guys trying to get it on in the showers.  Even lower.

But you let boys and girls shower together and they'll be making plans to make a baby and no one is much going to try and stop them.  So then you start paying someone like me to watch all the showering and make sure this doesn't happen.  Sounds bad, right?  So you just find the right, self-policing situation that is going to cause the least headache, not require hiring me to watch people shower, and keeps the babies to a minimum.

It's not mysterious or needs discussion it's freakonomics.


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2014-02-13 10:27:48 PM

firefly212: I'm "concerned" about all these openly religious people in the locker room, I feel like they're constantly judging me... can we get them a separate locker room?


*tips fedora*
 
2014-02-13 10:36:19 PM

Waldo Pepper: NickelP: Waldo Pepper: in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area.  I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.

id like to hear a good answer to this too. I don't have one. I just view it similar to a situation like if a hs/college or whatever didn't have a women's locker room so they just don't let them play sports. I can see how it could be an issue, but the issue isn't that gay folks want to be treated fairly and equally, its that those hs's/colleges/whatever aren't designed to provide privacy.

it provides an interesting question of why even have mens/women seperation as this gets more common though. I bet we see more unisex areas that just provide good privacy in the future. or people just get over the fact that someone who thinks you are attractive checking you out isn't the end of the world. I think we are a bit behind the rest of the world in that regard.

the problem when these questions are asked and ladodger34 mentioned it. the question gets attacked as homophobic and in truth i'm guess there are times that is true. but not so much now days. Forget pro sports as I agree no reason they can't build lockers rooms/showers with privacy.

but other areas

Should a doctor/nurse be required to inform a sex gender patient that he/she is gay/lesbian before examining them.  male doctors generally get a female nurse to be in the room while examining a female patient, what about gay doctors and male patients, should the male patient have a right to know if his doctor is gay?   I've had female nurses/doctors ask if I wanted a male nurse/doc in the room when they had to do an exam.   

I used to travel a little for work and to save money we had to share rooms, do I have the right to ask if the person I'm sharing a room with is gay?

What happens at the middle/high school levels?   As gay/lesbian fits more and more into the mainstream and no longer "frowned upon" just imagine at 13/14 if you are gay/lesbian and you get to be in a locker room full of  naked people you are attracted to.....if it helps imagine at 14 a straight male being allowed in the girls locker room/shower. dude jackpot!

personally i don't care who's in the locker room with me or who i share a room with as long as they aren't a jerk or snore like a freight train


But that isn't the case. This is, boy uses coed showers/changerooms from when he is a little kid, gets to go in coed showers.

You want to remove the sexuality from the situation? Make it a normal thing they grew up with and view as normal.
 
2014-02-13 10:49:21 PM

dywed88: Waldo Pepper: NickelP: Waldo Pepper: in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area.  I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.

id like to hear a good answer to this too. I don't have one. I just view it similar to a situation like if a hs/college or whatever didn't have a women's locker room so they just don't let them play sports. I can see how it could be an issue, but the issue isn't that gay folks want to be treated fairly and equally, its that those hs's/colleges/whatever aren't designed to provide privacy.

it provides an interesting question of why even have mens/women seperation as this gets more common though. I bet we see more unisex areas that just provide good privacy in the future. or people just get over the fact that someone who thinks you are attractive checking you out isn't the end of the world. I think we are a bit behind the rest of the world in that regard.

the problem when these questions are asked and ladodger34 mentioned it. the question gets attacked as homophobic and in truth i'm guess there are times that is true. but not so much now days. Forget pro sports as I agree no reason they can't build lockers rooms/showers with privacy.

but other areas

Should a doctor/nurse be required to inform a sex gender patient that he/she is gay/lesbian before examining them.  male doctors generally get a female nurse to be in the room while examining a female patient, what about gay doctors and male patients, should the male patient have a right to know if his doctor is gay?   I've had female nurses/doctors ask if I wanted a male nurse/doc in the room when they had to do an exam.   

I used to travel a little for work and to save money we had to share rooms, do I have the right to ask if the perso ...


No I also said was this is something that will have to be addressed.  I do find it a bit self serving of the gay/lesbian community to say its okay we don't gawk or lust over anyone in locker rooms/same sex showers. Well duh, the fox guarding the henhouse says the same thing.. Personally in the adult world I doubt it will ever be much of an issue but it would be good to make those areas more private if possible. mainly from a "way too many freaks out there in general" and with cell phones and small cameras might be for the best. 

I honestly think there will be some issues that schools have to address.

what i don't want to see is a jim crow type separate locker rooms or any of that crap.
 
2014-02-13 11:18:57 PM

Waldo Pepper: dywed88: Waldo Pepper: NickelP: Waldo Pepper: in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area.  I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.

id like to hear a good answer to this too. I don't have one. I just view it similar to a situation like if a hs/college or whatever didn't have a women's locker room so they just don't let them play sports. I can see how it could be an issue, but the issue isn't that gay folks want to be treated fairly and equally, its that those hs's/colleges/whatever aren't designed to provide privacy.

it provides an interesting question of why even have mens/women seperation as this gets more common though. I bet we see more unisex areas that just provide good privacy in the future. or people just get over the fact that someone who thinks you are attractive checking you out isn't the end of the world. I think we are a bit behind the rest of the world in that regard.

the problem when these questions are asked and ladodger34 mentioned it. the question gets attacked as homophobic and in truth i'm guess there are times that is true. but not so much now days. Forget pro sports as I agree no reason they can't build lockers rooms/showers with privacy.

but other areas

Should a doctor/nurse be required to inform a sex gender patient that he/she is gay/lesbian before examining them.  male doctors generally get a female nurse to be in the room while examining a female patient, what about gay doctors and male patients, should the male patient have a right to know if his doctor is gay?   I've had female nurses/doctors ask if I wanted a male nurse/doc in the room when they had to do an exam.   

I used to travel a little for work and to save money we had to share rooms, do I have the right to ask if the perso ...

No I also said was this is something that will have to be addressed.  I do find it a bit self serving of the gay/lesbian community to say its okay we don't gawk or lust over anyone in locker rooms/same sex showers. Well duh, the fox guarding the henhouse says the same thing.. Personally in the adult world I doubt it will ever be much of an issue but it would be good to make those areas more private if possible. mainly from a "way too many freaks out there in general" and with cell phones and small cameras might be for the best. 

I honestly think there will be some issues that schools have to address.

what i don't want to see is a jim crow type separate locker rooms or any of that crap.


like anything else I imagine it will be defined by lawsuits and insurance companies, as well as with an abundance of caution. some school will have a same sex sexual assault and an attorney will allege they should have disciplined the gay kid for making sexual comments/advances and they should have known better than to allow him/her to be in a situation with other nakey kids of the same gender. 0 tolerance will kick in and some gay kid will get suspended for hitting on a straight kid and then we will get some discrimination suits that the same wouldn't of happened for a boy just hitting on a girl. in the end the schools will wash their hands of the entire thing by having individual changing rooms and never allowing a student to be half dressed around another student.

the same will happen professionally. like the hotel thing you mentioned. some gay boss will be accused of leering at and hitting on a male subordinate he shared a room with on a conference, someone will get a nice pay out, and all of a sudden sharing rooms will be strictly forbidden.

it reminds me of a gym I use to belong to. you could be a member at I think 12. use all the machines etc. you were not allowed to be in the changing room until you were 16 or so unless you were with a parent. they had family changing rooms you had to use, which were basically like a individual stall like you would see in a department store. they had showers too which closed off. the locker rooms all had attendants and it was a busy place. the likelyhood of a child being abused had to be almost non existant, but its easier to be cautious then deal with the consequences when that 1 in a million event happens. also before someone jumps down my throat i'm not equating pedo stuff with gayness, just saying this shiat that use to be 'ah its same sex its cool' will all go to 'omg how do we make sure we can never get sued'.
 
2014-02-13 11:20:22 PM
the cell phone thing is going to have a lot to do with that too. I imagine we are already seeing changes in the way these things are designed over that.
 
2014-02-13 11:45:13 PM

Gestankfaust: Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper:

Would you rather these concerns go stay silent and so never addressed and at some point in time something happens that causes lgbt rights to suffer a setback or address them and find the best solution that works for the everyone rights.

This could be bad... for gays.

YES!! I WOULD!! There are NO RIGHTS!! Other than the rights for EVERYONE! Why does ever minority or gay or ANYONE need MORE RIGHTS than ANYONE ELSE!?!?!

Answer...they don't.


It's good then that they're not asking for that.
 
2014-02-14 12:09:26 AM

fusillade762: Gestankfaust: Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper:

Would you rather these concerns go stay silent and so never addressed and at some point in time something happens that causes lgbt rights to suffer a setback or address them and find the best solution that works for the everyone rights.

This could be bad... for gays.

YES!! I WOULD!! There are NO RIGHTS!! Other than the rights for EVERYONE! Why does ever minority or gay or ANYONE need MORE RIGHTS than ANYONE ELSE!?!?!

Answer...they don't.

It's good then that they're not asking for that.


You sound like a special class that needs protecting.
 
2014-02-14 02:30:43 AM

Waldo Pepper: in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area.  I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.


Perhaps it's a power perception thing. We, or the woman, believes she'd be unable to fight off an amorous straight man.
Yet the truth is, it seems to me, a straight man would have a lot better chance of fighting off a gay man than a straight woman would in fighting off a straight man.
 
2014-02-14 02:35:55 AM
The etiquette in those Euro countries where of-age nudity is accepted in some contexts, such as at a sauna, beach or spa, is simple.  You get one glance, after that you make eye contact or look at something else.  Staring is not OK.  Becoming aroused is not OK.  In effect the modesty lies in how they treat each other.  Rules are similar for an American hetero man around women in bikinis or yoga pants.  There are many contexts in which nudity or a state of partial undress can be non-sexual, if the norm is enforced by the group.

Also, this thread is all glittery with light from the firefly
 
2014-02-14 02:41:39 AM
By the way, while we're on the topic of naked strangers showering, what's with young men and their timidity in public locker rooms?

It seems like they all -- especially the ones who have carefully toned, bulked and shaped their bodies -- do the towel-wrap before they take off or change shorts, and they dress in the shower stalls.

Did the gay community, and its pernicious gay agenda, force them to adopt this shyness? (Because to hear old grandparents tell it, amateur athletes used to just run around naked all the time ...)

No wonder straight football players are upset.
 
2014-02-14 10:41:38 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: By the way, while we're on the topic of naked strangers showering, what's with young men and their timidity in public locker rooms?

It seems like they all -- especially the ones who have carefully toned, bulked and shaped their bodies -- do the towel-wrap before they take off or change shorts, and they dress in the shower stalls.

Did the gay community, and its pernicious gay agenda, force them to adopt this shyness? (Because to hear old grandparents tell it, amateur athletes used to just run around naked all the time ...)

No wonder straight football players are upset.


They are paranoid that people will think they have small dicks.
 
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