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2014-02-13 07:22:40 PM

haknudsen: Cyber_Junk: blahpers: Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

According to this guy, anyway.

So Australia is just a conspiracy of cartographers?

The Mythbusters photocopy of the ThisVSThat episode (a side by side comparison):
http://imgur.com/a/CnBLs

Extremely common ideas for experiments about traffic, I am sure thousands of stoned college students have come up the exact same ideas in the last couple years, I know I did back in the day.

1-  OMG both programs used a map to show viewers the route that drivers are going to make.  No one could have thought of that on their own...

2- I know that Mythbusters used camera mounts inside and out as well as chase cars...maybe a decade ago.  Thanks for pointing out that This vs That is copying Mythbusters.

3- Mythbusters has been using the crash test dummy since the 1st show....not sure how its use is copying.

4- There are 2 popular types of intersections, not sure how they could test traffic without trying out both.

5- Weave vs Stay in Your Lane.  These are two of the traffic myths that EVERYONE who has ever thought about ways to get places faster have thought about.  Not a unique thought.

6- Phantom Jam.  I'm sure that This vs That didn't steal the idea of Phantom Jam from http://phantomtraffic.com/  This site has been around for at least 4 years.

7- Fly vs Drive....Seriously my brother and I were discussing how to get to San Francisco last month.  Driving vs Flying I guess we stole the idea from This vs That.

None of the ideas presented by This vs That are unique.  What it does look like though


Not that I don't get what you are saying, but the article authors complaint is that he pitched the idea(s) for this type of show to Discovery channel a full year and a half before the first airing of Mythbusters.  He further alleges that Discovery channel keeps taking those ideas from his original pitch and incorporating them into Mythbusters.

I get hating on the guy because he is a douche, but I do understand where he is coming from. Further, if his claims are true, then the whole premise of the show Mythbusters was stolen and the true creator of that particular content was never compensated for it.

And from what I've read and seen about this, Discovery is being a bigger douche by not compensating this guy for his idea.

He has a long, uphill battle to try to wrest anything out of them though.
 
2014-02-13 07:23:01 PM

Special Guest: UPS has a trademark on the color brown. No joke.
I worry about being sued every morning, while sitting in the smallest room in my house.


Uh, I think you're OK so long as you don't try to deliver it to anyone.

/Royal Mail in the UK has a trademark on the colour red.
//Doesn't affect anyone, unless they try and associate themselves with postal services in the UK by the use of the colour; it's how trademark law works.
 
2014-02-13 07:27:57 PM

AbiNormal: Fact: that dumbshiat can't write worth a damn.


This.  His blog AND his nearly non-existent program that no one has ever heard of...suck.

\and as for the comment about ratings sucking...they put them on Saturday night.  And the open was going up against football.  Pretty sure the latter hasn't happened to them before.
 
2014-02-13 07:37:51 PM

TheGreenMonkey: Not that I don't get what you are saying, but the article authors complaint is that he pitched the idea(s) for this type of show to Discovery channel a full year and a half before the first airing of Mythbusters.  He further alleges that Discovery channel keeps taking those ideas from his original pitch and incorporating them into Mythbusters.


No, Mythbusters started in 2003.

Dickbag claims that he gave his 70 page "bible" for his crappy blog that rips off the Mythbusters format to producers from Mythbusters 18 months ago, before they investigated concepts obvious to sceptical investigation shows.

Did you miss this, upthread?

Where he tries to claim that common TV production techniques are somehow evidence that Mythbusters are stifling his rights and so on?

He's an attention whore with a crappy blog that rips off the Mythbusters format.

More simply, a twunt.
 
2014-02-13 07:49:22 PM

Oldiron_79: MemeSlave: Kari is a flat chested, vapid AW, who along with Adam is who I blame for the pop-science-ification of MB.

I dont think that word means what you think.


I don't think any of those words mean what he thinks they mean.
 
2014-02-13 07:52:53 PM

TheGreenMonkey: the article authors complaint is that he pitched the idea(s) for this type of show to Discovery channel a full year and a half before the first airing of Mythbusters


Mythbusters aired in 2003; he pitched to them in 2010. His claim is that they turned him down but are "folding his ideas, gleaned from the 'bible', into Mythbusters".

More likely: they turned him down because they had shiat like that already on the drawing board for MB as potential "filler".
 
2014-02-13 08:00:07 PM

iron de havilland: TheGreenMonkey: Not that I don't get what you are saying, but the article authors complaint is that he pitched the idea(s) for this type of show to Discovery channel a full year and a half before the first airing of Mythbusters.  He further alleges that Discovery channel keeps taking those ideas from his original pitch and incorporating them into Mythbusters.

No, Mythbusters started in 2003.

Dickbag claims that he gave his 70 page "bible" for his crappy blog that rips off the Mythbusters format to producers from Mythbusters 18 months ago, before they investigated concepts obvious to sceptical investigation shows.

Did you miss this, upthread?

Where he tries to claim that common TV production techniques are somehow evidence that Mythbusters are stifling his rights and so on?

He's an attention whore with a crappy blog that rips off the Mythbusters format.

More simply, a twunt.


Miscomprehension on my part then.  Was going off an article I read some months ago about this that stated he pitched his show before Mythbusters ever aired, and juxtaposing that one with this one.  Methinks the first story I read got it wrong.

Mea culpa

/agree with your assessment otherwise though
 
2014-02-13 08:06:55 PM
Hahaha.  I LOVE how the guy claiming Mythbusters stole his ideas thinks that:

1) He's the only person to have ever come up with the term "Laws of Attraction"

2) He's the only person to have ever "investigated" the idea that men prefer blondes

3) He's the only person to have ever "investigated" the idea effect on men of big boobs on women

4) He's the only person to have ever "investigated" whether pheromones work

5) He's the only person to have ever "investigated" whether women find men with money attractive.
 
2014-02-13 08:06:58 PM

TheGreenMonkey: Mea culpa


Good words.

/respect.
 
2014-02-13 08:15:41 PM
While I understand this guy's point and concerns, I feel he has a weak case. To me, there is no such thing as an original idea or concept anymore. There's so many people pushing so many different ideas for various things that it's impossible to not find something that is truly unique.

In the evidence he presents, I find many holes. In the imgur link posted up thread, he notes things that he claims Mythbusters stole from him. Well, as iron de havilland noted; the guy might as well sue Top Gear for the same camera tricks. Also, TG did a plane vs car challenge and they showed a map of their routes! And I know that episode (as well as episodes with similar races and maps) aired in the USA on BBC America. But he's not going to sue the BBC, is he?

To me, this guy's issue is more sour grapes than anything else. He's pissed that his show wasn't picked up by Discovery and that the show they did choose to buy is successful while he's stuck with a web show. He might be able to prove  some of his arguments, but many of them are really grasping at straws.
 
2014-02-13 08:31:54 PM

Cyber_Junk: blahpers: Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

According to this guy, anyway.

So Australia is just a conspiracy of cartographers?

The Mythbusters photocopy of the ThisVSThat episode (a side by side comparison):
http://imgur.com/a/CnBLs


Nobody tell this dude about Top Gear! He'll retroactively sue the BBC back to the 1977 debut!
 
2014-02-13 08:35:18 PM
I agree the guy is a whiny clown. I'm also enjoying the comments on the HuffPo page too where Hodgkiss responds to everyone's pretty sensible criticisms of his argument with "well you'll only be able to make an informed judgement once you've been to my webpage and gotten all the facts I couldn't fit into TFA".

I also agree with the farker who reminded us that the tattooed chick who was not much of a science tech who was on the early eps was also distractingly hot. In my view anyway.
 
2014-02-13 08:38:11 PM
Even if everything this guy believes is true...how do you justify being upset at a network for 'stealing your ideas', when 'your ideas' were close enough to a show they were already airing that they could be used on that show?

If you steal from a thief, is it robbery?

Personally, I believe these ideas were vague enough that there is no case of infringement here. I tend to agree with

ArcadianRefugee: More likely: they turned him down because they had shiat like that already on the drawing board for MB as potential "filler".

 
2014-02-13 09:39:45 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Cyber_Junk: blahpers: Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

According to this guy, anyway.

So Australia is just a conspiracy of cartographers?

The Mythbusters photocopy of the ThisVSThat episode (a side by side comparison):
http://imgur.com/a/CnBLs

Nobody tell this dude about Top Gear! He'll retroactively sue the BBC back to the 1977 debut!



(shrug) well if everyone else sees it that way then I guess I'm missing something.

/and, of course, I'd enjoy seeing a sex themed episode with Kari in it.
 
2014-02-13 10:01:27 PM
MOAR KARI
 
2014-02-13 10:16:54 PM

desertgeek: In the evidence he presents, I find many holes. In the imgur link posted up thread, he notes things that he claims Mythbusters stole from him. Well, as iron de havilland noted; the guy might as well sue Top Gear for the same camera tricks. Also, TG did a plane vs car challenge and they showed a map of their routes! And I know that episode (as well as episodes with similar races and maps) aired in the USA on BBC America. But he's not going to sue the BBC, is he?


Forgot to mention saw this exact thing...on a cartoon from the 40's.  Tortoise vs Hair slow and steady vs quick acceleration and poor attention span.  They showed a map with the route the animals ran....I think this guy owes Disney some money!
 
2014-02-13 11:09:24 PM
Hello Fark --

This is the fat IP trolling Douchenozzle who created the series, This vs That...and is accusing the Discovery Channel and Mythbusters of taking work, ideas and content that belong to me.

Let me begin by saying: In my defense, I've also lost at the Emmys 13 times, as well... and if you could see the back of my head in that photo of me in the t-shirt, you'd also see that I'm beginning to show signs of a bald spot. Also, my cholesterol is too high.

Would you guys be up for a Google Hangout? I'd love to answer all your questions LIVE.

No holds barred. I'll answer all your questions...

You tell me when... and I'll be there.

Also, I could go fark myself.

It's up to you.

Best,
Jon
 
2014-02-13 11:10:18 PM
I tried reading this "article". Really, I did.

What a pretentious, self-important, whiny arsehole.

I'm sorry I clicked and gave this guy any traffic.
 
2014-02-13 11:11:59 PM

desertgeek: To me, this guy's issue is more sour grapes than anything else. He's pissed that his show wasn't picked up by Discovery and that the show they did choose to buy is successful while he's stuck with a web show. He might be able to prove some of his arguments, but many of them are really grasping at straws.


The other point is that not only did he make his pitch after Mythbusters was already wildly successful, but his pitch was pure crap.  According to the link posted earlier, he vacillated between priding himself on his independence yet practically begging for Discovery to give him money to improve the show to make it mainstream.

That ain't how life works bud. You need to prove that you have a product that is new, exciting, and viable.  Pitching an idea that is already "done", and has no proven record of viability isn't going to work.

End result: go back to the drawing board rather than obstructing Discovery from airing more episodes that share coincidental similarities to your own.

I don't think he even has a good argument that his "ideas" were stolen.  Even if written down, ideas are only ideas until a real product is made out of them.  You can't fraud a patent or copyright if it isn't already in the system.
 
2014-02-13 11:13:08 PM
Aussie_As:
I also agree with the farker who reminded us that the tattooed chick who was not much of a science tech who was on the early eps was also distractingly hot. In my view anyway.

Scottie Chapman.

I'll be in my bunk :)
 
2014-02-13 11:18:18 PM
"Only my brilliant ideas are capable of saving Mythbusters, so Discovery stole them from me, and this scheduling change proves it."
 
2014-02-13 11:59:46 PM

thisvsthatshow: Hello Fark --

....

No holds barred. I'll answer all your questions...

You tell me when... and I'll be there.

Also, I could go fark myself.

It's up to you.

Best,
Jon


Well I can't speak for everyone here but I don't think many will be taking up your offer Jon. We've already made up our minds about you. It's Fark. It's what happens.
 
2014-02-14 12:07:55 AM
www.gotceleb.com

and

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-14 12:10:13 AM
Because this author totally believes they're the first and only person to ever have the idea of examining myths about sex?

Waaah!  Boo hoo!
 
2014-02-14 03:49:17 AM

Shahab: From what I read he was in negotiations with Discovery for them to buy his series, they wanted to buy the rights to his series without bringing him on board to be a part of it. He said no so Discovery went ahead and just used his ideas. If you look beyond the linked article there is actually a lot of proof.

Also, does anyone here really want to support the network that brought us ghost hunting reality shows?


As apposed to supporting the guy that couldn't even get on that network?

Can we just put both in a big pot and see how long it takes to boil the oil?
 
2014-02-14 04:45:24 AM
Dude has no chance in court and he knows otherwise he would have sued already.  He is just trying to make a big enough stink so Discovery will pay him to shut up.


Seriously you cannot trademark or copyright what he claims they stole, the production techniques he claims as proof have been used for many years.

In short they guy is pissed they would not buy his show and let him host it so he is gonna try to screw with discovery as much as he can.
 
2014-02-14 06:48:53 AM
Absolutely hilarious that the pathetic guy shows up right here to defend himself only to find that one gives a shart.

/have never seen Myth busters
 
2014-02-14 08:50:52 AM

Far Cough: Absolutely hilarious that the pathetic guy shows up right here to defend himself only to find that one gives a shart.

/have never seen Myth busters


It was a decent show up until the first time they censored information.
 
2014-02-14 09:57:04 AM

thisvsthatshow: Hello Fark --

This is the fat IP trolling Douchenozzle who created the series, This vs That...and is accusing the Discovery Channel and Mythbusters of taking work, ideas and content that belong to me.

Let me begin by saying: In my defense, I've also lost at the Emmys 13 times, as well... and if you could see the back of my head in that photo of me in the t-shirt, you'd also see that I'm beginning to show signs of a bald spot. Also, my cholesterol is too high.

Would you guys be up for a Google Hangout? I'd love to answer all your questions LIVE.

No holds barred. I'll answer all your questions...

You tell me when... and I'll be there.

Also, I could go fark myself.

It's up to you.

Best,
Jon


http://the-gadgeteer.com/2011/11/05/this-vs-that-new-tv-show-for-gee ks /

Seems you had some sort of falling out since then?
 
2014-02-14 11:21:40 AM

InterruptingQuirk: Far Cough: Absolutely hilarious that the pathetic guy shows up right here to defend himself only to find that one gives a shart.

/have never seen Myth busters

It was a decent show up until the first time they censored information.


I enjoyed watching an episode where they had to stop and talk about how they accidentally shot a cannonball into someone's house.
 
2014-02-14 11:26:54 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: MrBallou: Came for this. Only 3rd post in. I knew you wouldn't disappoint, SH.

[img837.imageshack.us image 650x330]


If you like that, try this.


Sorry. I was too, umm, "busy" to reply. Then I fell asleep.
 
2014-02-14 11:54:57 AM

juvandy: joeflood: Science is all about repeatable results.

LOL excellent point

This guy sounds like a douche.  One of the commenters on the original article has it right- if he had a legal leg to stand on, he wouldn't be whining on the internet.  Instead, he'd be making out like a fat cat in a courtroom.


If you read the article, he says that "US copyright and intellectual property laws are not applicable outside the US".

I agree this guy sounds a little whiny, but I would love for all of you to see some of your work appropriated by a giant corporation with no recompense. Even more, I would love for you to biatch about it online so that I can say 'Haw Haw' to you.

Why doesn't Discovery simply re-title the episode and release it?

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-14 11:56:00 AM

GameSprocket: InterruptingQuirk: Far Cough: Absolutely hilarious that the pathetic guy shows up right here to defend himself only to find that one gives a shart.

/have never seen Myth busters

It was a decent show up until the first time they censored information.

I enjoyed watching an episode where they had to stop and talk about how they accidentally shot a cannonball into someone's house.


"Don't try this at home, we're professionals"
 
2014-02-14 01:06:04 PM

InterruptingQuirk: GameSprocket: InterruptingQuirk: Far Cough: Absolutely hilarious that the pathetic guy shows up right here to defend himself only to find that one gives a shart.

/have never seen Myth busters

It was a decent show up until the first time they censored information.

I enjoyed watching an episode where they had to stop and talk about how they accidentally shot a cannonball into someone's house.

"Don't try this at home, we're professionals"


This. The best way to make sure idiots "don't try this at home" is to not tell them how to do it in the first place.
 
2014-02-14 01:20:21 PM

ArcadianRefugee: InterruptingQuirk: GameSprocket: InterruptingQuirk: Far Cough: Absolutely hilarious that the pathetic guy shows up right here to defend himself only to find that one gives a shart.

/have never seen Myth busters

It was a decent show up until the first time they censored information.

I enjoyed watching an episode where they had to stop and talk about how they accidentally shot a cannonball into someone's house.

"Don't try this at home, we're professionals"

This. The best way to make sure idiots "don't try this at home" is to not tell them how to do it in the first place.


That was my problem with the show to begin with is that they would not tell us how to do some things "on the advice of counsel/producers/fbi" If want to know how to build a neutron bomb, I should be allowed to know how to build a neutron bomb!
 
2014-02-14 02:13:37 PM

skinbubble: [www.gotceleb.com image 560x314]

and

[i.imgur.com image 480x318]


Two images that capture the exact moments when some of us fell in love with Kari.  ;-)
 
2014-02-14 02:45:06 PM

Clint_Torres: juvandy: joeflood: Science is all about repeatable results.

LOL excellent point

This guy sounds like a douche.  One of the commenters on the original article has it right- if he had a legal leg to stand on, he wouldn't be whining on the internet.  Instead, he'd be making out like a fat cat in a courtroom.

If you read the article, he says that "US copyright and intellectual property laws are not applicable outside the US".

I agree this guy sounds a little whiny, but I would love for all of you to see some of your work appropriated by a giant corporation with no recompense. Even more, I would love for you to biatch about it online so that I can say 'Haw Haw' to you.

Why doesn't Discovery simply re-title the episode and release it?

[img.fark.net image 533x594]


So they stole his video and used it without permission?  Is that what you are saying?  Nope, he claims they stole his idea.  Facts, general concepts, basic ideas and questions are not subject to copyright.  If you search Amazon for "Laws of Attraction", it brings up over 12,000 items.  Hardly an original topic in fiction or non-fiction.

FACT: Anybody that prefaces a bunch of statements withFACT: is probably someone that can be ignored for various reasons.

It pains me to be on the side of any sort of Big Media company, but that Hotchkiss guy seems like he's simply pissed nobody will give him money and make him famous.
 
2014-02-14 03:33:16 PM
Even famous on Fark.
 
2014-02-14 04:17:59 PM
"Mythbusters" better not air their "It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere" episode because I invented that shiat last year!
 
2014-02-14 04:19:42 PM

joeflood: Clint_Torres: juvandy: joeflood: Science is all about repeatable results.

LOL excellent point

This guy sounds like a douche.  One of the commenters on the original article has it right- if he had a legal leg to stand on, he wouldn't be whining on the internet.  Instead, he'd be making out like a fat cat in a courtroom.

If you read the article, he says that "US copyright and intellectual property laws are not applicable outside the US".

I agree this guy sounds a little whiny, but I would love for all of you to see some of your work appropriated by a giant corporation with no recompense. Even more, I would love for you to biatch about it online so that I can say 'Haw Haw' to you.

Why doesn't Discovery simply re-title the episode and release it?

[img.fark.net image 533x594]

So they stole his video and used it without permission?  Is that what you are saying?  Nope, he claims they stole his idea.  Facts, general concepts, basic ideas and questions are not subject to copyright.  If you search Amazon for "Laws of Attraction", it brings up over 12,000 items.  Hardly an original topic in fiction or non-fiction.

FACT: Anybody that prefaces a bunch of statements withFACT: is probably someone that can be ignored for various reasons.

It pains me to be on the side of any sort of Big Media company, but that Hotchkiss guy seems like he's simply pissed nobody will give him money and make him famous.


Fair enough.
 
2014-02-14 05:58:27 PM

joeflood: Clint_Torres: juvandy: joeflood: ....

FACT: Anybody that prefaces a bunch of statements with FACT: is probably someone that can be ignored for various reasons.


Also, anyone who repeatedly refers to their notes, scribbles and planning document as their 'bible' a bunch of times also can generally be steered clear of.
 
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