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2014-02-13 04:13:19 PM  

Cyber_Junk: blahpers: Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

According to this guy, anyway.

So Australia is just a conspiracy of cartographers?

The Mythbusters photocopy of the ThisVSThat episode (a side by side comparison):
http://imgur.com/a/CnBLs


Wait, so "This" guy trolls Discovery Channel's Mythbusters board, plucks ideas from there, and then complains that they stole his idea when they get around to following up on the myth?

"They" stole "his" idea of putting cameras on the outside and inside of vehicles? And of showing a graphic of a race-course map?

Ho. Lee. shiat.

Color me convinced.
 
2014-02-13 04:16:16 PM  
That may be the whiniest pile of drivel I have read in a long while.  Too bad someone posted a picture because I wanted to take a stab at blindly describing this guy.
 
2014-02-13 04:18:00 PM  
All I'm really seeing here is that this guy had some amazingly original ideas like "Is it faster to drive or fly from San Francisco to LA?" and something to do with airplane boarding efficiency. The side-by-side comparisons are pretty ridiculous, since most of the things are like "They both used passengers with various types of luggage!" (he actually uses this one twice) and "They both put a bunch of cameras on the cars in the experiment!" as if those are unusual enough to indicate plagiarism.

And now he's appalled at the fact that Mythbusters used the same unoriginal title he did, "Law of Attraction," for... well, we don't actually know, since he's apparently chucked a lawsuit at them before it even aired because he's so sure they ripped him off. Sheesh.
 
2014-02-13 04:18:25 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I got something I'd like to bust..

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Came for this. Only 3rd post in. I knew you wouldn't disappoint, SH.
 
2014-02-13 04:19:31 PM  

Cyber_Junk: blahpers: Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

According to this guy, anyway.

So Australia is just a conspiracy of cartographers?

The Mythbusters photocopy of the ThisVSThat episode (a side by side comparison):
http://imgur.com/a/CnBLs


From the link:
This vs That creates a map to outline the race route. So does Mythbusters.
This vs That puts cameras on the cars, inside the cars, and on "chase cars" during the race. So does Mythbusters.


Well, I'm convinced.  Before This vs That premiered in Nov. 2012, Mythbusters did no car-based episodes using cameras on the cars or maps. There's no way that Mythbusters would have come up with ground-breaking innovations like these on their own.
 
2014-02-13 04:20:32 PM  

Shahab: From what I read he was in negotiations with Discovery for them to buy his series, they wanted to buy the rights to his series without bringing him on board to be a part of it.


Wow, I can't believe Discovery wouldn't want to involve this guy.
 
2014-02-13 04:20:54 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: "They" stole "his" idea of putting cameras on the outside and inside of vehicles? And of showing a graphic of a race-course map?

Ho. Lee. shiat.

Color me convinced.


*Shakes tiny fist.*
 
2014-02-13 04:25:57 PM  

Cyber_Junk: Is NO ONE reading the whole story?

Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.    Its pretty damn sleazy.   So they won't get broadcast in the US or Canada.  Who cares?   Mythbusters has already run away with the money.

Yes, we miss out on Kari.  That part sucks.   But why can't they think up their own ideas for a sex episode?


Science is all about repeatable results.
 
2014-02-13 04:27:12 PM  
"Three's Company" stole my idea for the wacky misunderstanding episode.
 
2014-02-13 04:29:53 PM  

joeflood: Science is all about repeatable results.


LOL excellent point

This guy sounds like a douche.  One of the commenters on the original article has it right- if he had a legal leg to stand on, he wouldn't be whining on the internet.  Instead, he'd be making out like a fat cat in a courtroom.

Why doesn't Discovery simply re-title the episode and release it?
 
2014-02-13 04:30:42 PM  

someonelse: "Three's Company" stole my idea for the wacky misunderstanding episode.


"Three's Company" is based on the British sitcom, "Man About the House".

Will the plagiarism never cease!
 
2014-02-13 04:31:44 PM  

juvandy: joeflood: Science is all about repeatable results.

LOL excellent point

This guy sounds like a douche.  One of the commenters on the original article has it right- if he had a legal leg to stand on, he wouldn't be whining on the internet.  Instead, he'd be making out like a fat cat in a courtroom.

Why doesn't Discovery simply re-title the episode and release it?


"Why Jon Hotchkiss Isn't Getting Laid" would probably also draw a lawsuit.
 
2014-02-13 04:31:57 PM  
Why is it that the author of articles that take the form of "FACT: blah blah blah" statements is an insufferable asshole?
 
2014-02-13 04:33:43 PM  

Cyber_Junk: blahpers: Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

According to this guy, anyway.

So Australia is just a conspiracy of cartographers?

The Mythbusters photocopy of the ThisVSThat episode (a side by side comparison):
http://imgur.com/a/CnBLs


Extremely common ideas for experiments about traffic, I am sure thousands of stoned college students have come up the exact same ideas in the last couple years, I know I did back in the day.

1-  OMG both programs used a map to show viewers the route that drivers are going to make.  No one could have thought of that on their own...

2- I know that Mythbusters used camera mounts inside and out as well as chase cars...maybe a decade ago.  Thanks for pointing out that This vs That is copying Mythbusters.

3- Mythbusters has been using the crash test dummy since the 1st show....not sure how its use is copying.

4- There are 2 popular types of intersections, not sure how they could test traffic without trying out both.

5- Weave vs Stay in Your Lane.  These are two of the traffic myths that EVERYONE who has ever thought about ways to get places faster have thought about.  Not a unique thought.

6- Phantom Jam.  I'm sure that This vs That didn't steal the idea of Phantom Jam from http://phantomtraffic.com/  This site has been around for at least 4 years.

7- Fly vs Drive....Seriously my brother and I were discussing how to get to San Francisco last month.  Driving vs Flying I guess we stole the idea from This vs That.

None of the ideas presented by This vs That are unique.  What it does look like though
 
2014-02-13 04:33:51 PM  

Khellendros: Why is it that the author of articles that take the form of "FACT: blah blah blah" statements is an insufferable asshole?


Correction for my annoyed grammar-impaired self - Why is it that the author of any article that takes the form of "FACT: blah blah blah" statements is an insufferable asshole?
 
2014-02-13 04:38:39 PM  
Fact: that dumbshiat can't write worth a damn.
 
2014-02-13 04:38:42 PM  

faultytower: I was wondering what was going on until I gave up caring whoever this guy is because he just sounds like a whining-Hipster-type who came up with some web series and now wants to be recognized for a "know-nothing-about-dont-give-a-shiat-show" that apparently only a few folks in Australia have seen.

And now he prevents me seeing Kari Byron in a Mythbusters show about farking?!  Seriously, fark this guy!


/You and me both. I got about 2 paragraphs in, and my give a shiat meter broke.
 
2014-02-13 04:39:47 PM  

MrBallou: Came for this. Only 3rd post in. I knew you wouldn't disappoint, SH.


img837.imageshack.us


If you like that, try this.
 
2014-02-13 04:42:27 PM  

Cyber_Junk: blahpers: Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

According to this guy, anyway.

So Australia is just a conspiracy of cartographers?

The Mythbusters photocopy of the ThisVSThat episode (a side by side comparison):
http://imgur.com/a/CnBLs


Hey, everybody, I think we found Hotchkiss's fark id.

But seriously, did you actually look at the imgur link? Most of them are basic TV production techniques. He may as well go after Top Gear for putting cameras on cars, having wacky guests and having races between different types of transport. And, in one slide, he claims that the Mythbusters phantom jam experiment set up is comparing roundabouts to traditional junctions; in the next, it's the phantom jam experiment.

I didn't want to sully myself by actually visiting his shiatty blog, so I googled "wtf is this vs that", and found this, where Fark's very own Phil Plait delivered a very well written smackdown on him:

I have written several times about sexism - and sometimes outright misogyny - in the skeptical and scientific communities. I want to promote getting more young girls interested in these topic so they can grow up to be scientists, and not have to deal with institutional and cultural sexism. Given the way you promoted the show (as well as only having men as guests, apparently), I don't see "This Vs That" as furthering this cause, and in fact would appear to impede it. For that reason, I won't be promoting it.


/Is it not simply a rip off of the Mythbusters concept anyway?
 
2014-02-13 04:44:21 PM  

Kahabut: Cyber_Junk: Is NO ONE reading the whole story?

Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.    Its pretty damn sleazy.   So they won't get broadcast in the US or Canada.  Who cares?   Mythbusters has already run away with the money.

Yes, we miss out on Kari.  That part sucks.   But why can't they think up their own ideas for a sex episode?

How about we go a few levels deeper?  What is an idea?  What constitutes an obvious idea?  What protection under the law does an "idea" have?

Hint: the last answer is NONE.


So if the entire premise of 'A Game of Thrones' was stolen, the names changed, but the central premises/action untouched it would be okay?   I'd be pretty pissed.
"Next up on SyFy, 'The Duke of the Rings', followed by a six part miniseries 'Andrews Game'"

aerojockey: Cyber_Junk: Is NO ONE reading the whole story?

Mythbusters stole a whole bunch of this guy's ideas, made episodes of it, and then broadcast them in Australia.

I did see that, and, even the allegations are completely true, I hope the Mythbusters air the episode everywhere and never pay the guy a cent.  I want this guy to be stolen from.

However, I doubt he has a legitimate claim.  As far as I can tell, he's alleging they stole content based on the title of the episode.  Unless he has knowledge he's not revealing (and I doubt that, because I doubt he'd pass up a way to make himself look even more like a douche) his only reasonable claim is that they stole the title.



from the link:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-hotchkiss/the-discovery-channel-and _ b_4434576.html

"When I'm done, I leave them a 70 page "bible" of future experiments. "      <- this is where they got their ideas, from his pitch indicating where he wanted to go, not from episode titles.
 
2014-02-13 04:50:14 PM  

iron de havilland: I didn't want to sully myself by actually visiting his shiatty blog, so I googled "wtf is this vs that", and found this, where Fark's very own Phil Plait delivered a very well written smackdown on him:


Wow- after reading this, I'm really surprised that Huffington Post is willing to post anything this asshole writes.
 
2014-02-13 04:52:50 PM  

Cyber_Junk: "Next up on SyFy, 'The Duke of the Rings', followed by a six part miniseries 'Andrews Game'"


Yeah, about that....

Cyber_Junk: "When I'm done, I leave them a 70 page "bible" of future experiments. " <- this is where they got their ideas, from his pitch indicating where he wanted to go, not from episode titles.


Right. That whole forum they have for idea submissions is just there for show.

/wait, lemme guess: having a web page where fans can discuss the show and postulate new myths to test... that was his idea too, right?
 
2014-02-13 04:55:06 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: MrBallou: Came for this. Only 3rd post in. I knew you wouldn't disappoint, SH.

[img837.imageshack.us image 650x330]


If you like that, try this.

You are a God among men.

 
2014-02-13 04:59:35 PM  

Cyber_Junk: from the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-hotchkiss/the-discovery-channel-and _ b_4434576.html

"When I'm done, I leave them a 70 page "bible" of future experiments. " <- this is where they got their ideas, from his pitch indicating where he wanted to go, not from episode titles.


Good.  I hope Mythbusters "steals" every idea the guy has and never pays him.  I want pricks to be treated unfairly.
 
2014-02-13 05:13:01 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I watch that show for the science...

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[www.themehomes.net image 640x960]

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Ok ... this has been shopped, right?? Can someone tell by the pixels?
 
2014-02-13 05:15:43 PM  
Whether the G-spot is a myth. I'll test it out on Kari. Repeatedly...whether i can find it thru the front door of the back... or for more vefication...with that tatooed chick that used to be on there.

i'll take the hit for SCIENCE
 
2014-02-13 05:22:09 PM  
Too bad this article is super lame and has nothing to do with busting sex myths.

I had heard a story once about 2 fat people having sexytime and the dude had used a bag of Doritos or something for a condom and the chick had forgotten about it. She goes to the doctor some time later and the doctor finds the bag in there.

So I want Mythbusters to do something on that.
 
2014-02-13 05:27:11 PM  
Cyber_Junk:
"When I'm done, I leave them a 70 page "bible" of future experiments. "      <- this is where they got their ideas, from his pitch indicating where he wanted to go, not from episode titles.

So, he takes a popular show, steals the premise of the show entirely but tries to make it "sexier" (a/k/a "sexist"), chooses some myths they haven't gotten around to yet in their several season but that will obviously need to be covered as the show runs out of other myths to bust, lists all of those ideas in a "Bible" of future experiments, pitches his show ideas to the network already producing the identical formatted show he is stealing from, and then claims that they are stealing his ideas when a couple of the future episodes cover any topic in his "70-page bible"?  Honestly, that's a pretty ingenious plan to troll the network for some settlement money.

If this works, who wants to work with me on a "new" show idea where we take top-of-the-line chefs, and have them compete against each other in an elimination format by engaging in off-the-wall challenges against the clock, which we will pitch to Bravo?  All we have to do is come up with about 50 wacky challenges that Top Chef hasn't gotten to yet, put them in a "Bible," and wait for Top Chef to just come close to what we proposed.  Step 3, here we come!
 
2014-02-13 05:29:52 PM  

Far Cough: someonelse: Myths are myths because a significant percentage of the population believes them. I don't see how you can "own" the idea of examining a common  myth. That's like "owning" the concept of finding out whether turkey really causes drowsiness.

Trademarks on the words "Candy" and "Apple" and patents on "Buy Now" buttons beg to differ.

Sadly.


The words "candy" and "apple" are not trade-marked.  The USE of Apple in commerce is protected under certain circumstances.  Specifically, you cannot market a computer as an "Apple" - the specific protection is offered for the obvious purpose of avoiding confusion in the marketplace.  But Apple Computer can't do anything to stop you from calling a car, magazine or night club "Apple".  Likewise the specific Apple logo is a trademark, but any old image of an apple with a bite taken out of it isn't - and using one would only be actionable in a cases where someone was trying to sell computers bearing a similar logo for the purpose of fooling the public.  Or did you think WalMart actually "owns" the word "Always"?

The clown has no case.
 
2014-02-13 05:31:58 PM  

LonMead: Right... totally original concept there...
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No two people could have the same idea...
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Completely unique, you are...
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Maybe there's some format we could use to test this theory...
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And to close out this post...
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I can do science me!


Why does Hamster look like he had  more brain damage pre-accident?
 
2014-02-13 05:36:45 PM  

aerojockey: Shahab: From what I read he was in negotiations with Discovery for them to buy his series, they wanted to buy the rights to his series without bringing him on board to be a part of it.

Wow, I can't believe Discovery wouldn't want to involve this guy.


I have no problem with Discovery not hiring this guy, and I actually think that his ideas where fairly obvious and should not be afforded any kind of copyright protections. That being said everyone is acting like this guy is on the fringe and has no reason to be upset, whereas if it is true that Discovery tried to buy his show This vs That then took the pitched ideas and made Mythbusters episodes out of them when negotiations didn't go anywhere, well then I completely understand why he is mad.
 
2014-02-13 05:42:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: MrBallou: Came for this. Only 3rd post in. I knew you wouldn't disappoint, SH.

[img837.imageshack.us image 650x330]


If you like that, try this.


you're a saint
 
2014-02-13 05:42:46 PM  

faultytower: I was wondering what was going on until I gave up caring whoever this guy is because he just sounds like a whining-Hipster-type who came up with some web series and now wants to be recognized for a "know-nothing-about-dont-give-a-shiat-show" that apparently only a few folks in Australia have seen.

And now he prevents me seeing Kari Byron in a Mythbusters show about farking?!  Seriously, fark this guy!


I hate saying "this", but THIS!
 
2014-02-13 05:45:00 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: someonelse: "Three's Company" stole my idea for the wacky misunderstanding episode.

"Three's Company" is based on the British sitcom, "Man About the House".

Will the plagiarism never cease!


Wacky misunderstandings were the main event on "I Love Lucy".

CSB: When my daughter was 8 we were watching some old Lucy episode when she turned to me and said, "Hey! They did that on one of my Disney shows!" I was so proud of her for recognizing that modern TV just continues to rip off from the best.
 
2014-02-13 05:54:27 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: Whether the G-spot is a myth. I'll test it out on Kari. Repeatedly...whether i can find it thru the front door of the back... or for more vefication...with that tatooed chick that used to be on there.

i'll take the hit for SCIENCE


Either that or put her on the Sybian. For Science!
 
2014-02-13 06:07:55 PM  
What a douche. He thinks no one has ever pondered these questions before?

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-13 06:10:47 PM  

jdemartino: The words "candy" and "apple" are not trade-marked.  The USE of Apple in commerce is protected under certain circumstances.  Specifically, you cannot market a computer as an "Apple" - the specific protection is offered for the obvious purpose of avoiding confusion in the marketplace.


It also relates to why The Beatles' music was unavailable on iTunes for umpty years. Computer Apple's forays into music, with iTunes, infringed on Apple Corps' trademark on the word Apple, in the field of music.

germ78: Tanukis_Parachute: Whether the G-spot is a myth. I'll test it out on Kari. Repeatedly...whether i can find it thru the front door of the back... or for more vefication...with that tatooed chick that used to be on there.

i'll take the hit for SCIENCE

Either that or put her on the Sybian. For Science!


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-13 06:20:19 PM  

jdemartino: Far Cough: someonelse: Myths are myths because a significant percentage of the population believes them. I don't see how you can "own" the idea of examining a common  myth. That's like "owning" the concept of finding out whether turkey really causes drowsiness.

Trademarks on the words "Candy" and "Apple" and patents on "Buy Now" buttons beg to differ.

Sadly.

The words "candy" and "apple" are not trade-marked.  The USE of Apple in commerce is protected under certain circumstances.  Specifically, you cannot market a computer as an "Apple" - the specific protection is offered for the obvious purpose of avoiding confusion in the marketplace.  But Apple Computer can't do anything to stop you from calling a car, magazine or night club "Apple".  Likewise the specific Apple logo is a trademark, but any old image of an apple with a bite taken out of it isn't - and using one would only be actionable in a cases where someone was trying to sell computers bearing a similar logo for the purpose of fooling the public.  Or did you think WalMart actually "owns" the word "Always"?

The clown has no case.


UPS has a trademark on the color brown. No joke.
I worry about being sued every morning, while sitting in the smallest room in my house.
 
2014-02-13 06:20:45 PM  

edmo: What a douche. He thinks no one has ever pondered these questions before?

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I think the quote is: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - Shia LaBffff
 
2014-02-13 06:22:05 PM  
So what you're alleging is that as a direct result of actions taken by you, Mr. Hotchkiss, I don't get to see Kari Byron engaging in the exploration of various myths of a sexy nature.  Well of course I'm on your side now!
 
2014-02-13 06:39:40 PM  

i.r.id10t: [i.chzbgr.com image 422x253]


"Sopposed"? :/
 
2014-02-13 06:40:31 PM  
Mythbusters is basically a ripe off of the summer my dad gave me a box of fire crackers.

/CSB
When I was 12 I found a book on pyrotechnics on my fathers book shelf.  My father being a teacher and knowing what kids are like preceded to bring me large (1 kg or bigger) containers of chemicals to make my own fireworks.  There was a spot on the lawn where I tested my creations that  grass didn't grow on for more than a decade
 
2014-02-13 06:42:54 PM  
This guy sounds like the entertainment version of a patent troll.

I had an idea for a TV show about zombies once. AMC better pull up a dump truck fill of money to my house or I'm gonna go wine on the internet about it.
 
2014-02-13 06:47:37 PM  

angstycoder: i.r.id10t: [i.chzbgr.com image 422x253]

"Sopposed"? :/


hey i didnt make that. just thought it was both teh funnay and relevant to the thread
 
2014-02-13 06:50:15 PM  

LonMead: edmo: What a douche. He thinks no one has ever pondered these questions before?

[img.fark.net image 500x498]

I think the quote is: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - Shia LaBffff


I'm pretty sure Rand Paul said that.
 
2014-02-13 06:52:36 PM  

Shahab: aerojockey: Shahab: From what I read he was in negotiations with Discovery for them to buy his series, they wanted to buy the rights to his series without bringing him on board to be a part of it.

Wow, I can't believe Discovery wouldn't want to involve this guy.

I have no problem with Discovery not hiring this guy, and I actually think that his ideas where fairly obvious and should not be afforded any kind of copyright protections. That being said everyone is acting like this guy is on the fringe and has no reason to be upset, whereas if it is true that Discovery tried to buy his show This vs That then took the pitched ideas and made Mythbusters episodes out of them when negotiations didn't go anywhere, well then I completely understand why he is mad.


I can understand being mad if someone stole their ideas. But if you are a whiny douche about it I won't exactly be crying a river for you.

However, I still think he's in a weak position. Ideas are not content. This guy repeatedly uses the word content but as far as I can tell he doesn't have any idea what the content of the show he's whining about is, all he knows is the title. His only non-laughable IP infringement claim is that trade secrets were stolen, and that's not as clear cut as copyright infringement.
 
2014-02-13 07:11:49 PM  
The flavor of sour grapes was so strong in that article, you could press it into a fine....whine

\here all night
\\tip your waitress
 
2014-02-13 07:15:39 PM  
Even funnayer are these comments from this site:

"By using my work, they have literally taken food from my children's mouths. They have endangered the welfare of my family."

1) 5-yard penalty for misuse of the word "literally"
2) Looking at your photo, I am doubting your claim that there is a food shortage at your home. And, if there is, that photo shows why.

(I'm saying he's fat.)

"Hotchkiss says he received a call from a Discovery executive last night (12/12/13) asking him to not go public with his story, but declining to offer any monetary compensation for his "stolen" work."

Translation: "Mr Hotchkiss? Yeah, Discovery here. I would advise you to refrain from going public with these accusations, as you're likely to be humiliated. No, we won't pay you to not embarrass yourself, dumbass."
 
2014-02-13 07:21:48 PM  

Pick: "After two weeks of masturbating and seeing no visible hair growing in the palm, I am going to call this myth busted, Adam".


"So, it appears to be true.  If you drag your feet across the floor while wearing socks, it truly will be a Shocker."
 
2014-02-13 07:22:37 PM  

MemeSlave: Kari is a flat chested, vapid AW, who along with Adam is who I blame for the pop-science-ification of MB.


I dont think that word means what you think.
 
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