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(Talking Points Memo)   "It was... a good thing that [the Aurora shooter] had a 100-round magazine... If he had instead had... 15-round magazines, no telling how much damage he could have done until a good guy with a gun showed up." This is what the GOP actually believes   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 453
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2014-02-13 07:14:57 PM

Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?


laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-13 07:15:09 PM

BayouOtter: lordjupiter: BayouOtter: lordjupiter:

Shhhh, adults are talking.

You should be listening.


How long have you been a member of the NRA?

How would that be relevant?


What do you think?
 
2014-02-13 07:19:39 PM

lordjupiter: BayouOtter: lordjupiter: BayouOtter: lordjupiter:

Shhhh, adults are talking.

You should be listening.


How long have you been a member of the NRA?

How would that be relevant?

What do you think?


That you don't want to actually address my points and are desperately casting for another subject for deflection.
 
2014-02-13 07:20:24 PM

BayouOtter: That you don't want to actually address my points


ironic
 
2014-02-13 07:24:32 PM

BayouOtter: I like guns because they kept and continue to keep my family fed. Also feeling safe. Isn't that a good reason?


FTFY.
 
2014-02-13 07:25:24 PM
In case this wasn't pointed out earlier....

img.myconfinedspace.com
 
2014-02-13 07:27:29 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And we're done here. It's a shame too. I would have liked to see more posts from our resident ignorant bed wetters. Makes the day that much more enjoyable.


Are the bed wetters the ones that don't think they need to carry guns everywhere to protect themselves from all those scary other people?

/Psychological projection was conceptualized by Sigmund Freud in the 1890s as a defense mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world.
 
2014-02-13 07:27:31 PM

udhq: BayouOtter: I like guns because they kept and continue to keep my family fed. Also feeling safe. Isn't that a good reason?

FTFY.


Considering that I've used them to preserve the live and limb of my sister, I was correct in the first instance.

Kindly fark off.
 
2014-02-13 07:28:03 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Som Tervo: Nothing says bedwetter more than cowards that need to be armed to the teeth all the time.

You're one of these brave souls aren't you?


I'll gladly put up one of those signs if you put up one that says "this home contains a $500 untraceable firearm in the upstairs closet."
 
2014-02-13 07:28:34 PM

coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]


Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.
 
2014-02-13 07:29:19 PM

artifishy: Dancin_In_Anson: And we're done here. It's a shame too. I would have liked to see more posts from our resident ignorant bed wetters. Makes the day that much more enjoyable.

Are the bed wetters the ones that don't think they need to carry guns everywhere to protect themselves from all those scary other people?

/Psychological projection was conceptualized by Sigmund Freud in the 1890s as a defense mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world; Karl Rove perfected the technique as performed by an entire political movement in the early 21st century.



FTFY
 
2014-02-13 07:30:08 PM

Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]

Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.


Awww. Farker Soze, what's wrong?  Show me where the gun grabber grabbed you.
 
2014-02-13 07:30:09 PM

Gilligann: Out of 100, how many rounds were left when it jammed?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting#cite_note-DailyExp re ss-M.26P15-12

55 apparently. So he managed to get 45 rounds out of his crappy magazine.

I mean, imagine if he had brought 4+ 15 round ones, it would have been much worse!

/though actually, he also brought a Glock, which he then started using instead.
 
2014-02-13 07:31:39 PM

spawn73: Gilligann: Out of 100, how many rounds were left when it jammed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting#cite_note-DailyExp re ss-M.26P15-12

55 apparently. So he managed to get 45 rounds out of his crappy magazine.

I mean, imagine if he had brought 4+ 15 round ones, it would have been much worse!

/though actually, he also brought a Glock, which he then started using instead.


So the congresscritter in the TFA was wrong and possibly retarded?  I gotta tell you, I didn't see that coming.
 
2014-02-13 07:32:29 PM

BayouOtter: udhq: BayouOtter: I like guns because they kept and continue to keep my family fed. Also feeling safe. Isn't that a good reason?

FTFY.

Considering that I've used them to preserve the live and limb of my sister, I was correct in the first instance.

Kindly fark off.


Yeah, I'm sure it was one of those unquantifiable "defensive gun uses" the NRA likes to cite.

Also, people might be more comfortable with the idea of you possessing firearms if you didn't behave, to stereotype, like such a confrontational douche bag when politely challenged.
 
2014-02-13 07:32:39 PM

sugar_fetus: UrukHaiGuyz:My original claim was that more guns (or a higher rate of gun ownership) leading to a more "polite" less violent society is demonstrably false given the fact that the countries with higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of gun violence.

Yet, here we are in the US with more guns *and* less crime.

Your claim is false. How many times do you have to read that to understand it?


USA has less gun violence?

I only had to read it once to understand what you are.
 
2014-02-13 07:33:17 PM

sugar_fetus: UrukHaiGuyz: sugar_fetus: UrukHaiGuyz: sugar_fetus: Blues_X: "good guy with a gun"


The mantra of derp.

Yeah, because there are no such things as 'good guys with guns', yes?

Because the idea that more guns could ever lead to less gun violence on average is dumb as hell.

Have you looked at the US homicide rate for the last twenty years, or the number of firearms legally owned?

Hint: One has gone up, while the other has gone down. Guess which is which.

You're not claiming causation, are you? Cause you're gonna need a mighty big cite for that.

I'm claiming that your statement of "more guns could ever lead to less gun violence " is demonstratively false.


Please, friend,  proceed with your demonstration.
 
2014-02-13 07:33:44 PM

spawn73: USA has less gun violence?


gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now
 
2014-02-13 07:35:07 PM

BayouOtter: udhq: BayouOtter: I like guns because they kept and continue to keep my family fed. Also feeling safe. Isn't that a good reason?

FTFY.

Considering that I've used them to preserve the live and limb of my sister, I was correct in the first instance.

Kindly fark off.


And that my friend, is truly the world I want to live in.  Gotta remember to carry the gun everywhere I go in case some asshole is also carrying one.

Why don't we see if we can find a better solution?  I mean, guns are fun and all - I mean, Chuck Heston once said so, so it's true - but maybe the best solution isn't proliferation and escalation.  I know you know in your brain that it's not the best idea, it's just the EASIEST one.

So, let's go walk through the Fortress of Solitude - you can be the Kal-el to my Jor-el, and perhaps we can find the answers.... together.
 
2014-02-13 07:36:19 PM

sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now


Correct. And I am sure the USA's gun violence rate is truly a gold standard amongst first world nations (per capita incidences)... right?
 
2014-02-13 07:40:05 PM

coeyagi: And I am sure the USA's gun violence rate is truly a gold standard amongst first world nations (per capita incidences)... right?


that it's still an embarassment to the world is irrelevant to the point

it is going down. we have less gun violence.
 
2014-02-13 07:40:35 PM

coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]

Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.

Awww. Farker Soze, what's wrong?  Show me where the gun grabber grabbed you.


No gungrabber has ever grabbed me, but an iPad luser once touched me right on the android. I bet it was YOU.
 
2014-02-13 07:41:00 PM

sprawl15: coeyagi: And I am sure the USA's gun violence rate is truly a gold standard amongst first world nations (per capita incidences)... right?

that it's still an embarassment to the world is irrelevant to the point

it is going down. we have less gun violence.


True.  It is not irrelevant to the point that it can be much lower.  The point that I am obviously making.
 
2014-02-13 07:42:14 PM

sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now


Both have gone down.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?p re vSearch=&searchHistoryKey=&;

Among the 50 states, the average firearm homicide rate decreased from 5.2 per 100000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100000 in 2010. By decade, this rate was 4.2 per 100000 in 1981 to 1990, 4.3 per 100000 in 1991 to 2000, and 3.4 per 100000 in 2001 to 2010.

Among the 50 states, the average percentage of gun ownership (measured by the FS/S proxy) decreased from 60.6% in 1981 to 51.7% in 2010. By decade, this percentage declined from 60.6% in 1981 to 1990 to 59.6% in 1991 to 2000 to 52.8% in 2001 to 2010.
 
2014-02-13 07:42:29 PM

coeyagi: The point that I am obviously making.


the point you seem to be making is that you really don't care about the veracity of claims as long as they snugly fit your politics
 
2014-02-13 07:42:30 PM

Olo Manolo: If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong? If the magazine fails it's more difficult to fix that jam than just drop the magazine and put in a new one. It wouldn't matter if he had 1000rd magazine if it  wouldn't feed, no matter how much more scary you perceive it to be...


Done in one, really, and I don't like defending Republicans because of how insane they've become. There's a reason your typical grunt isn't issued a handy 100-round mag.

iirc, it jammed after about 60 rounds, and the vast majority of injuries and deaths were from the AR. If that's the case, then he might well have done half again as much damage with 30-round mags or even the 20-round box mag most of them come with.
 
2014-02-13 07:43:04 PM

Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]

Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.

Awww. Farker Soze, what's wrong?  Show me where the gun grabber grabbed you.

No gungrabber has ever grabbed me, but an iPad luser once touched me right on the android. I bet it was YOU.


You should stick to gun euphamisms.  I don't think you have the colorful metaphor thing down just yet.

www.futuredude.com
 
2014-02-13 07:44:52 PM

spawn73: Gilligann: Out of 100, how many rounds were left when it jammed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting#cite_note-DailyExp re ss-M.26P15-12

55 apparently. So he managed to get 45 rounds out of his crappy magazine.

I mean, imagine if he had brought 4+ 15 round ones, it would have been much worse!

/though actually, he also brought a Glock, which he then started using instead.


If you follow the links, there is no source credited with that number. I live in Denver and have followed this case closely, they have never given us an official number.  Not that it ultimately matters.
 
2014-02-13 07:45:05 PM

sprawl15: coeyagi: The point that I am obviously making.

the point you seem to be making is that you really don't care about the veracity of claims as long as they snugly fit your politics


So you are disagreeing that our gun violence is much higher here than most of the first world nations?  I agreed to your point, why don't you just agree with the obvious?  Is reality that disagreeable to you?  Sorry, man.
 
2014-02-13 07:46:22 PM

sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now


Gun crime as a percentage of overall violent crime is currently at a 30 year high.
 
2014-02-13 07:47:24 PM

udhq: sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now

Gun crime as a percentage of overall violent crime is currently at a 30 year high.


I love this.  I get to be the kid whose heads rolls back and forth, watching the parents fight.
 
2014-02-13 07:48:43 PM
coeyagi:
And that my friend, is truly the world I want to live in.  Gotta remember to carry the gun everywhere I go in case some asshole is also carrying one.

I wished I lived in a magical fantasy world too. One with unicorns.

Why don't we see if we can find a better solution?

Well, as I've said previously, my preferred solution is multi-point, and includes ending the Drug War, reforming our justice/prison system entirely, ending the vast economical/income inequality, providing free healthcare (mental and otherwise) , and so on.

  I know you know in your brain that it's not the best idea, it's just the EASIEST one.

You obviously don't know anything going on in my head.

So, let's go walk through the Fortress of Solitude - you can be the Kal-el to my Jor-el, and perhaps we can find the answers.... together.

I'd rather not be a wanna-be messiah using hideous racist ideology to justify genocide and soft tyranny. driven by a delusional traitor with delusions of godhood. (Man of Steel displays a really twisted picture.)
 
2014-02-13 07:48:57 PM

coeyagi: udhq: sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now

Gun crime as a percentage of overall violent crime is currently at a 30 year high.

I love this.  I get to be the kid whose head rolls back and forth, watching the parents fight.


FTFM - one head
 
2014-02-13 07:50:34 PM

Satanic_Hamster: If 100+ round magazines are such shiat and never work, why do some gun enthuisists get so upset at the prospect of outlawing them?


THiS is where the thread ended.
 
2014-02-13 07:51:59 PM

BayouOtter: coeyagi:
And that my friend, is truly the world I want to live in.  Gotta remember to carry the gun everywhere I go in case some asshole is also carrying one.

I wished I lived in a magical fantasy world too. One with unicorns.

Why don't we see if we can find a better solution?

Well, as I've said previously, my preferred solution is multi-point, and includes ending the Drug War, reforming our justice/prison system entirely, ending the vast economical/income inequality, providing free healthcare (mental and otherwise) , and so on.

  I know you know in your brain that it's not the best idea, it's just the EASIEST one.

You obviously don't know anything going on in my head.

So, let's go walk through the Fortress of Solitude - you can be the Kal-el to my Jor-el, and perhaps we can find the answers.... together.

I'd rather not be a wanna-be messiah using hideous racist ideology to justify genocide and soft tyranny. driven by a delusional traitor with delusions of godhood. (Man of Steel displays a really twisted picture.)


Well, you fail on all counts if you think I was referring to the Snyder Superman rather than the Donner one.  Fo' shame.

Anyway, I am just curious though, why do most people on both sides continue to fight the silly fight of gun control vs. gun rights?  It is absolutely pointless, a waste of time.  I agree with you about those things. That is not the magical fantasy land, that is the god damn holy grail to cracking this thing.  And yet, people look at it as too complex?  Come on Kal-el, remember when we used to be a nation of big ideas, not silly knee-jerk reactions?
 
2014-02-13 07:52:25 PM

coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]

Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.

Awww. Farker Soze, what's wrong?  Show me where the gun grabber grabbed you.

No gungrabber has ever grabbed me, but an iPad luser once touched me right on the android. I bet it was YOU.

You should stick to gun euphamisms.  I don't think you have the colorful metaphor thing down just yet.

[www.futuredude.com image 570x320]


Why is everything about guns with you? I'm talking shiatty electronics here. Obsess much?
 
2014-02-13 07:52:56 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Satanic_Hamster: If 100+ round magazines are such shiat and never work, why do some gun enthuisists get so upset at the prospect of outlawing them?

THiS is where the thread ended.


To be fair to the "enthusiasts", I don't think this wingnut speaks for all of them.  That's Wayne's job!
 
2014-02-13 07:54:32 PM

Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]

Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.

Awww. Farker Soze, what's wrong?  Show me where the gun grabber grabbed you.

No gungrabber has ever grabbed me, but an iPad luser once touched me right on the android. I bet it was YOU.

You should stick to gun euphamisms.  I don't think you have the colorful metaphor thing down just yet.

[www.futuredude.com image 570x320]

Why is everything about guns with you? I'm talking shiatty electronics here. Obsess much?


And here I thought we were going to go another 10 posts without an obvious display of psychological projection.  Silly me.
 
2014-02-13 07:56:42 PM
coeyagi:
Well, you fail on all counts if you think I was referring to the Snyder Superman rather than the Donner one.  Fo' shame.

I've never been a fan of Superman. Sorry.

Come on Kal-el, remember when we used to be a nation of big ideas, not silly knee-jerk reactions?
 
Stop calling me that, please.
 
2014-02-13 07:56:44 PM

udhq: sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now

Gun crime as a percentage of overall violent crime is currently at a 30 year high.


Nope.
 
2014-02-13 07:57:42 PM

Burning_Monk: Both have gone down.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?p re vSearch=&searchHistoryKey=&;


there's a couple of things about that study's methodology that bother me

the fs/s method has always struck me as incredibly sloppy, especially when using a .1 significance wald test on something that isn't a random draw

that's exacerbated by their decision to start with the beginning of the whole crack outbreak (dataset beginning in 1981), and they decided to not include numbers in DC for some reason.

i do vaguely remember that in one of the tables they said something like for every 1% additional black population there's 5% more gun murders but i'd have to find a copy of it that isn't locked behind a paywall to back that up. it's a weird, weird study (in no small part because the nra are cocks and refuse to let any meaningful data be collected)
 
2014-02-13 07:57:42 PM

sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now


Eh yeah, but that wasn't what I was quoting now was it?

USA has less gun violence than UK?

---

The crime rate in USA is decreasing overall. Maybe someone believes this is due to the higher number of guns around, I think its because of the lower number of pirates of the coast in Somalia.

Though, its also fascinating that whilst the general crimerate is down, the prison population keeps rising. I guess that must be because all the criminals are in jail. ;)
 
2014-02-13 07:59:52 PM

sigdiamond2000: hillbillypharmacist: Someone really, really determined could kill dozens without even having a gun.

A man could combine his gymnastic pommel horse ability with ninjitsu and become virtually unstoppable.

[static.tvtropes.org image 310x229]


Gymkata was the best movie ever!
 
2014-02-13 07:59:58 PM

BayouOtter: lordjupiter: BayouOtter: lordjupiter: BayouOtter: lordjupiter:

Shhhh, adults are talking.

You should be listening.


How long have you been a member of the NRA?

How would that be relevant?

What do you think?

That you don't want to actually address my points and are desperately casting for another subject for deflection.


You know why.  Because your "points" are nothing more than talking points for the organization you're speaking for, whether professionally or voluntarily, and are either bullshiat diversions or previously debunked myths.  Playing stupid only makes you seem even more phony.
 
2014-02-13 08:00:59 PM

Burning_Monk: udhq: sprawl15: spawn73: USA has less gun violence?

gun violence has decreased while ownership has gone up for years now

Gun crime as a percentage of overall violent crime is currently at a 30 year high.

Nope.


Yup.
 
2014-02-13 08:01:17 PM

justtray: justtray: Or maybe youll just pretend like you didn't see this post.

How come every time I go through the lengthy effort to provide all the citations requested, this keeps happening?

Oh yeah, so that next time they can come spouting the same BS, and keep lying saying that no one can provide citations proving them wrong.

These threads are such a waste.


Because you've put everyone who's bothered arguing with you on ignore and the response from just about everybody who reads these threads, and your tired bullsh*t has been to ignore you too, mister echo chamber. I know, I'm on ignore.
 
2014-02-13 08:02:11 PM

spawn73: Eh yeah, but that wasn't what I was quoting now was it?


you interjected yourself into a conversation where sugar_fetus was arguing that the gun crime within the us has gone down over the last few years, against urukhaiguyz who was arguing that internationally there is a correlation between gun ownership and gun crime

udhq: Gun crime as a percentage of overall violent crime is currently at a 30 year high.


why do you think that's a meaningful statistic
 
2014-02-13 08:04:30 PM

coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]

Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.

Awww. Farker Soze, what's wrong?  Show me where the gun grabber grabbed you.

No gungrabber has ever grabbed me, but an iPad luser once touched me right on the android. I bet it was YOU.

You should stick to gun euphamisms.  I don't think you have the colorful metaphor thing down just yet.

[www.futuredude.com image 570x320]

Why is everything about guns with you? I'm talking shiatty electronics here. Obsess much?

And here I thought we were going to go another 10 posts without an obvious display of psychological projection.  Silly me.


I'm not the one who mentioned guns. You are a very silly person.
 
2014-02-13 08:05:11 PM

sprawl15: udhq: Gun crime as a percentage of overall violent crime is currently at a 30 year high.

why do you think that's a meaningful statistic


Gee, just a guess here, if overall crime is going down, and that pulls down gun crime, why is it not pulling down gun crime proportionally?  Why is gun crime not falling as fast as overall crime is falling?

Questions in need of answering.
 
2014-02-13 08:06:11 PM

Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: coeyagi: Farker Soze: Since Apple products are defective pieces of crap, why are all you iTards so opposed to banning them?

[laurenburgueno.files.wordpress.com image 300x285]

Another iNut fanboy with no common sense. Pathetic.

Awww. Farker Soze, what's wrong?  Show me where the gun grabber grabbed you.

No gungrabber has ever grabbed me, but an iPad luser once touched me right on the android. I bet it was YOU.

You should stick to gun euphamisms.  I don't think you have the colorful metaphor thing down just yet.

[www.futuredude.com image 570x320]

Why is everything about guns with you? I'm talking shiatty electronics here. Obsess much?

And here I thought we were going to go another 10 posts without an obvious display of psychological projection.  Silly me.

I'm not the one who mentioned guns. You are a very silly person.


You act as if I haven't seen you post in gun threads before.  Do you think I have no memory?  I believe it is you who are the silly person.

//obligatory "No U!" images to follow
 
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