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(Talking Points Memo)   "It was... a good thing that [the Aurora shooter] had a 100-round magazine... If he had instead had... 15-round magazines, no telling how much damage he could have done until a good guy with a gun showed up." This is what the GOP actually believes   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 453
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2014-02-13 12:52:22 PM
If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong? If the magazine fails it's more difficult to fix that jam than just drop the magazine and put in a new one. It wouldn't matter if he had 1000rd magazine if it  wouldn't feed, no matter how much more scary you perceive it to be...
 
2014-02-13 12:55:31 PM
That senator B herpin
 
2014-02-13 01:01:58 PM
While technically correct, this is a really stupid thing to say.  It would be a bit like if there were some freak car accident where a person was spared injury by not wearing a seat belt.  Just because it happened that time doesn't mean seat belts are a bad idea.
 
2014-02-13 01:06:22 PM
The 100-round C-Mags (beloved of mall ninjas and keyboard kommandos the world over) are a piece of shiat that jam far more often than the standard 20 or 30 round STANAG magazines.

The 82nd Airborne Division experimented with using stripped down M4s (the short M16s) with C-Mags as sort of a lightweight version of the M249 SAW (a heavier, belt-fed weapon that uses 200 or 100 round ammo packs) for mountain warfare in Afghanistan.  They jammed so often that they actually cancelled the testing early.  A shooter burning through multiple standard 30-round mags was able to put more rounds on target than a guy constantly having to stop to unfark his weapon.
 
2014-02-13 01:11:45 PM
"good guy with a gun"


The mantra of derp.
 
2014-02-13 01:14:34 PM
And we're done here. It's a shame too. I would have liked to see more posts from our resident ignorant bed wetters. Makes the day that much more enjoyable.
 
2014-02-13 01:15:58 PM

TheOnion: While technically correct, this is a really stupid thing to say.  It would be a bit like if there were some freak car accident where a person was spared injury by not wearing a seat belt.  Just because it happened that time doesn't mean seat belts are a bad idea.


Both the Aurora and the Tuscon shooters were using above normal capacity magazines.  They were both stopped when those magazines failed.  I'm not aware of any other mass shooters using above normal capacity magazines.

The VT shooter, on the other hand, used neutered 10 round magazines for his Glock.... and he's got the highest body count ever in a school shooting in the US.

Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.
 
2014-02-13 01:20:08 PM

jbuist: Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.


Then what is the real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting?
 
2014-02-13 01:21:49 PM

jbuist: Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.


The only thing that lessens the severity of a mass shooting is the rapidity of an armed response.
 
2014-02-13 01:23:27 PM

Olo Manolo: If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong? If the magazine fails it's more difficult to fix that jam than just drop the magazine and put in a new one. It wouldn't matter if he had 1000rd magazine if it  wouldn't feed, no matter how much more scary you perceive it to be...


^ This.  Plus he was using an Armalite.  If he'd had a real rifle, like an AK, for example, he could have done a lot more damage.
 
2014-02-13 01:26:53 PM
So then why don't we just make 1,000,000-round magazines?
 
2014-02-13 01:36:42 PM

BunkyBrewman: jbuist: Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.

Then what is the real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting?


The mindset of the shooter, and the ability of others to stop him.
 
2014-02-13 01:39:38 PM
If we make the magazines hold so much that they won't ever fire correctly, then no one will ever get shot. Bonus!
 
2014-02-13 01:41:09 PM

the_rev: BunkyBrewman: jbuist: Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.

Then what is the real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting?

The mindset of the shooter, and the ability of others to stop him.


Someone really, really determined could kill dozens without even having a gun.
 
2014-02-13 01:46:07 PM

hillbillypharmacist: Someone really, really determined could kill dozens without even having a gun.


A man could combine his gymnastic pommel horse ability with ninjitsu and become virtually unstoppable.

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2014-02-13 01:49:33 PM

hillbillypharmacist: Someone really, really determined could kill dozens without even having a gun.


Easily.
 
2014-02-13 01:52:13 PM

Olo Manolo: If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong? If the magazine fails it's more difficult to fix that jam than just drop the magazine and put in a new one. It wouldn't matter if he had 1000rd magazine if it  wouldn't feed, no matter how much more scary you perceive it to be...


If you can guarantee that every high cap magazine will jam, then I'm sure nobody would have a problem with those.
 
2014-02-13 02:01:53 PM

sigdiamond2000: So then why don't we just make 1,000,000-round magazines?


But only they're designed to jam after the first few rounds.
 
2014-02-13 02:21:52 PM

the_rev: BunkyBrewman: jbuist: Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.

Then what is the real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting?

The mindset of the shooter, and the ability of others to stop him.


How do we manage to proactively become aware of the mindset of a potential shooter?

How are others able to stop him before he has a gun in his hand?
 
2014-02-13 02:23:19 PM

hillbillypharmacist: the_rev: BunkyBrewman: jbuist: Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.

Then what is the real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting?

The mindset of the shooter, and the ability of others to stop him.

Someone really, really determined could kill dozens without even having a gun.


Dozens?  Seems the most determined have killed a heluva lot more than that without having a gun.
 
2014-02-13 02:34:24 PM

the_rev: hillbillypharmacist: Someone really, really determined could kill dozens without even having a gun.

Easily.


Actually, you don't even have to be all that determined:   Happy Land Fire  Guy was mad at his girlfriend, set the entrance to the club she was in on fire.  Killed 87 people (girlfriend survived).
 
2014-02-13 02:42:58 PM

dittybopper: Actually, you don't even have to be all that determined: Happy Land Fire Guy was mad at his girlfriend, set the entrance to the club she was in on fire. Killed 87 people (girlfriend survived).


Yeah; those happen all the time and certainly represent the latest in building and fire codes.  That's why people keep bringing things up from the 50s and 30s and whatnot to show clearly that guns have no bearing on mass killing effectiveness.

Pretty weak for you especially.
 
2014-02-13 02:47:47 PM

Olo Manolo: If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong? If the magazine fails it's more difficult to fix that jam than just drop the magazine and put in a new one. It wouldn't matter if he had 1000rd magazine if it  wouldn't feed, no matter how much more scary you perceive it to be...


For the record, I agree that if the Aurora shooter hadn't used such POS equipment, things would have been even worse.  His 100-round drum feeder was a POS.
 
2014-02-13 03:03:36 PM

factoryconnection: dittybopper: Actually, you don't even have to be all that determined: Happy Land Fire Guy was mad at his girlfriend, set the entrance to the club she was in on fire. Killed 87 people (girlfriend survived).

Yeah; those happen all the time and certainly represent the latest in building and fire codes.  That's why people keep bringing things up from the 50s and 30s and whatnot to show clearly that guns have no bearing on mass killing effectiveness.

Pretty weak for you especially.


I think you mistook the address, 1959 Southern Boulevard, for the year it happened, which was 1990.

Then too, we have the case of the 9/11 attackers, who used small knives.
 
2014-02-13 03:12:26 PM

dittybopper: I think you mistook the address, 1959 Southern Boulevard, for the year it happened, which was 1990.


I'm sorry to say that even that date was a generation ago.  I'm seriously sorry that 1990 was a generation ago, and kinda still in shock.
 
2014-02-13 03:17:05 PM
In spite of what reddit would have us believe, technically correct is not always the best kind of correct.

Yes, the Aurora shooter had an oversized magazine, and heavier magazines tend to jam.  Apparently a similar phenomenon occurs in the middle east where folks using Kalashnikovs will make the decision to tape magazines together for easier swaps.  Some figure that because taping two magazines together that taping 3 is even better than that, but apparently taping 3 together results in frequent jams due to the weight of the three together.

That being said, the guy who said that is a moron.
 
2014-02-13 03:18:30 PM
I've never considered using poor craftsmanship as a way of expanding our purchasing options.  Can we let people buy cannons if they fail more than 75% of the time?  TNT if it fails more than 85% of the time?  Ricin so long as most of the batches don't really have much ricin in them?
 
2014-02-13 03:20:06 PM

hillbillypharmacist: the_rev: BunkyBrewman: jbuist: Point: mag capacity has no real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting.

Then what is the real bearing on the severity of a mass shooting?

The mindset of the shooter, and the ability of others to stop him.

Someone really, really determined could kill dozens without even having a gun.


Sure.  Tomohiro Kato killed 7 and injured 10 with a "dagger".  Nevertheless.
 
2014-02-13 03:29:51 PM
Fine. I'm all in favor of this representatives initiative to only sell magazines that are defective and jam regularly. That's what he's advocating, right?
 
2014-02-13 03:32:14 PM
Hmm, I wonder... Let's say we make 100 round magazines illegal, so the next nujob decides to buy an illegal one or construct his own.  I wonder if it's going to end up being more or less likely to jam than the commercially available 100-round magazines today.
 
2014-02-13 03:33:02 PM
Translated for those of us who arent fluent in farking shiathead; "I'm glad his gun jammed."
 
2014-02-13 03:34:53 PM
His statement alluding to the reliability of high capacity magazines is not incorrect.
 
2014-02-13 03:35:37 PM
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2014-02-13 03:36:14 PM
Herpin is a boob, but he is right, the drum mag did jam. Obviously, pure speculation to claim it 'saved' lives when it jammed since they won't release the ballistic info.
 
2014-02-13 03:36:46 PM
I wonder if Loughner or Holmes ever took their firearms to a range.
 
2014-02-13 03:38:30 PM

Olo Manolo: If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong? If the magazine fails it's more difficult to fix that jam than just drop the magazine and put in a new one. It wouldn't matter if he had 1000rd magazine if it  wouldn't feed, no matter how much more scary you perceive it to be...


Where precisely did this slack jawed imbecile mention this hypothetical scenario?

I suppose if the Aurora shooter had been aborted, that would have been a good thing too.
 
2014-02-13 03:39:01 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And we're done here. It's a shame too. I would have liked to see more posts from our resident ignorant bed wetters. Makes the day that much more enjoyable.


One day, you'll post something that isn't completely boring.
 
2014-02-13 03:39:05 PM

TheGregiss: Translated for those of us who arent fluent in farking shiathead; "I'm glad his gun jammed."


or "i'm glad he used a magazine far more prone to jamming and depended on its reliability"
 
2014-02-13 03:39:09 PM
I'm more of a suspicious guy with a gun.  I'm like the guy with a gun in the rated R movie, you know, the guy with a gun you're not sure whether or not you like yet. You're not sure where he's coming from.
 
2014-02-13 03:40:41 PM

unyon: Olo Manolo: If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong? If the magazine fails it's more difficult to fix that jam than just drop the magazine and put in a new one. It wouldn't matter if he had 1000rd magazine if it  wouldn't feed, no matter how much more scary you perceive it to be...

If you can guarantee that every high cap magazine will jam, then I'm sure nobody would have a problem with those.


If they always jam, why would anyone want to buy one?  And why would you care if faulty crap is banned?
 
2014-02-13 03:41:41 PM

Dalrint: [thismodernworld.com image 720x672]


Nothing's better than a proselytizing political comic that takes three or four paragraphs to get to the farking point.
 
2014-02-13 03:42:15 PM
A hundred thousand people were killed in Hiroshima without a gun. Therefore, no gun regulations.

QED, bed wetters.
 
2014-02-13 03:42:51 PM

Great_Milenko: If they always jam, why would anyone want to buy one?


because they're easier to get than mexican viagra
 
2014-02-13 03:43:00 PM
Dear GOP:  Try this out!

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2014-02-13 03:43:17 PM
Guns are not evil, being merely tools. They do make indiscriminate mass killing much, much easier, though. Kind of hard to imagine the founders could've conceived of today's weaponry when writing the 2nd amendment- cavalry saber charges were still used right up until the advent of machine gun emplacements, for Christ's sake. It's not the same world anymore, but our history and culture (especially westward expansion) are so tied up with firearms we probably won't shake the obsession for generations, if ever.
 
2014-02-13 03:43:39 PM
It's not that you're wrong, Walter.  You're just an asshole.
 
2014-02-13 03:45:56 PM

regindyn: Dear GOP:  Try this out!

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I'm guessing that what he said was a joke. I've read plenty of threads where people say that conservatives are not as funny as liberals because conservatives cannot laugh at themselves. This I actually agree with to an extent. But when you DO get the odd repub cracking a joke about his party, you get... Well, this shiat.
 
2014-02-13 03:47:05 PM

Olo Manolo: If the magazine jammed (as cheap drum mags are bound to) then how exactly is he wrong?


Do you think it's a good idea to rely on magazines jamming?

"Just think of what he could have done with a non jamming 15 clip magazine?"  What about what he could have done with a 100 clip magazine if it hadn't happened to jam you stupid fark?
 
2014-02-13 03:47:11 PM
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2014-02-13 03:47:52 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: They do make indiscriminate mass killing much, much easier, though.


to me the real question is always "what is the base issue" followed by "how do we reduce the instances of that issue". limiting the issue to only mass shootings, which are such a small percentage of gun deaths, strikes me as an incredibly silly way to approach things. one of the simplest and most effective ways to reduce the instances of gun deaths would be to legalize and regulate drugs and prostitution.

that the idea isn't something beaten into people's heads with a farking hammer every time these threads pop up shows that people are far more interested in political point scoring/shaming than actually fixing the issue
 
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