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(The Raw Story)   Can a legislator hate unions so much that he is willing to violate a federal law that forbids influencing an election on union representation? Let's ask Bob Corker   (rawstory.com ) divider line
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2014-02-13 09:00:52 AM  
And if the Feds try to indict him on it, Republicans will scream to the heavens about State's Rights.
 
2014-02-13 09:07:54 AM  
Used to be committing a crime was a secret, private affair but these days they do it in front of cameras with a smile on their faces.  If Obama hadn't suspended the Constitution this guy could have been convicted and jailed as god intended, but you know BENGHAZI!
 
2014-02-13 09:09:19 AM  
Prison.
 
2014-02-13 09:16:03 AM  
I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?
 
2014-02-13 09:17:06 AM  
Don't you plebes start getting uppity and demanding a bigger slice of the pie.
 
2014-02-13 09:19:38 AM  

mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?


Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.
 
2014-02-13 09:20:22 AM  
This is just a reflection of his hate for all things yankee. /actually I don't understand his meddling ways
 
2014-02-13 09:27:42 AM  

incendi: mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?

Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.


It would be at least a little easier to understand if this was Boeing, or GE... you know a theoretically American company, but this is a foreign company so the revenues don't even stay in the country let alone the state of Tennessee. How do you sell this crap to your constituency?
 
2014-02-13 09:39:47 AM  

mutterfark: incendi: mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?

Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.

It would be at least a little easier to understand if this was Boeing, or GE... you know a theoretically American company, but this is a foreign company so the revenues don't even stay in the country let alone the state of Tennessee. How do you sell this crap to your constituency?


You have jobs, live with what the deign to give you or we'll give your jobs to someone else.

Although it would have to be one hell of a pay raise to justify moving a manufacturing plant.
 
2014-02-13 09:52:39 AM  
Bob Corker hates America.
 
2014-02-13 09:58:34 AM  

EvilEgg: mutterfark: incendi: mutterfark:

You have jobs, live with what the deign to give you or we'll give your jobs to someone else.



Yes m'lud, so sorry to have troubled your grace. I swear it shan't happen again.;b
 
2014-02-13 10:14:50 AM  
The workers want a union, and the company wants a union. The only people who don't want a union are Republican politicians.
That said, I don't know if the UAW is the right union. The Germans want unions, but German unions are a lot different than ours. There isn't the us against them mentality we have, where management and unions squabble like dogs over a bone. I don't know how cooperation can occur at VW, when everything that happens there is going to be viewed in competitive terms over at GM and Ford.
 
2014-02-13 10:16:00 AM  

incendi: mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?

Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.


OR...because politicians can rake in millions from VW and other corporations directly now, thanks to Citizens United.  It has always happened, but now it's entirely above-board so it's become commonplace.

The people aren't constituents anymore, they're the product being delivered to the corporations.
 
2014-02-13 10:16:11 AM  
Seriously, even Hitler let Volkswagen have labor unions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front
 
2014-02-13 10:16:21 AM  

mutterfark: incendi: mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?

Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.

It would be at least a little easier to understand if this was Boeing, or GE... you know a theoretically American company, but this is a foreign company so the revenues don't even stay in the country let alone the state of Tennessee. How do you sell this crap to your constituency?


With all the campaign money VW gave em.
 
2014-02-13 10:16:25 AM  
"During the next week and a half, while the decision is in the hands of the employees, I do not think it is appropriate for me to make additional public comment."

- Sen. Corker (2/3/14)
 
2014-02-13 10:17:38 AM  
Republicans love the Free Market™. Except when it benefits the plebes.
 
2014-02-13 10:21:08 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Republicans love the Free Market™. Except when it benefits the plebes.


Yup.  To them the 'free market' means tilting laws in favor of major corporations, and making it harder for actual small businesses to compete in any way.
 
2014-02-13 10:21:09 AM  
I like how they're saying that if the TN guys go union, then it's going to go to the Puebla plant. They probably don't realize that the plant in Mexico is, get this, UNIONIZED already! Hell, they threatened to strike back in 2011.
 
2014-02-13 10:23:46 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: The workers want a union, and the company wants a union. The only people who don't want a union are Republican politicians.
That said, I don't know if the UAW is the right union. The Germans want unions, but German unions are a lot different than ours. There isn't the us against them mentality we have, where management and unions squabble like dogs over a bone. I don't know how cooperation can occur at VW, when everything that happens there is going to be viewed in competitive terms over at GM and Ford.


Not so much.

Here's a better article.

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-second-cheerleader-st ep s-forward-to-allege-raiders-wage-theft-20140204,0,5055045.story


this is VW only american factory. America. In all its other factories VW have "Work Coucils" for managment to work better with employees. WC do not negotiate wages.  However, US labor laws forbid WC because they're viewed as emlpoyer run unions, hence the UAW stepped forward.

While the US VW executives publically say they don't oppose the unions, it's a sure bet they actually do.  The workers in TN are also anit union and probably this will be voted down.

Why a politician got involved is beyond me, unless the execs had a private chat with him and asked him on the side for a little push to ensure the UAW vote goes down.
 
2014-02-13 10:25:07 AM  
Hello, DOJ? I'd like to report a federal crime made by a Tennessee legislator.
 
2014-02-13 10:26:32 AM  
Not to be nit-picky, but it doesn't look like he did anything illegal.
 
2014-02-13 10:27:51 AM  
Next up hire a few good old boys with baseball bats to negotiate with the union leaders.
 
2014-02-13 10:28:20 AM  

kidgenius: I like how they're saying that if the TN guys go union, then it's going to go to the Puebla plant. They probably don't realize that the plant in Mexico is, get this, UNIONIZED already! Hell, they threatened to strike back in 2011.


But see, if we don't unionize, we WIN! Sure it's the race to the bottom, but we would win it none the less. Next up: getting rid of all those other requirements that give businesses headaches so we can underbid India.
 
2014-02-13 10:28:52 AM  
He is an enemy to the working class.  He should be dropped from an extremely tall building.
 
2014-02-13 10:29:08 AM  

AirForceVet: Hello, DOJ? I'd like to report a federal crime made by a Tennessee legislator.


I believe that's number 3 on the menu options
 
2014-02-13 10:29:09 AM  
Looks like Raw Story just got a mobile page, and wow, it's really bad to use.
 
2014-02-13 10:29:51 AM  

Danger Mouse: Why a politician got involved is beyond me, unless the execs had a private chat with him and asked him on the side for a little push to ensure the UAW vote goes down.


Yeah, there's no way he could be doing it for just ideological grandstanding. I mean, a politician would never do that.

But let's go with your theory, that he is expressly doing the bidding of a foreign company. A US politician, is interring with the rights of American citizens at the behest of a foreign company.

Hey, isn't this the sort of thing the right wing would have a five alarm shiat fit over if someone other than them was doing it?
 
2014-02-13 10:30:20 AM  

Cletus C.: Not to be nit-picky, but it doesn't look like he did anything illegal.


Yeah, you're right.  Using his power as a lawmaker to make the insinuation that he will not fight for a new SUV to be built in the US should the employees vote to unionize?  Not illegal in any way, not even a veiled threat.

yes I AM being facetious.
 
2014-02-13 10:33:50 AM  
"I've had conversations today and based on those am assured that should the workers vote against the UAW, Volkswagen will announce in the coming weeks that it will manufacture its new mid-size SUV here in Chattanooga," said Corker

And then they say this contradicts what VW has said... what happened to his statements that the state legislature wouldn't extend any business incentives to VW if they vote to unionize?  Wouldn't this actually be summed up as: Corker doesn't want the union, if the union comes in to TN, he's going to discourage VW from continuing business in TN, thus when VW compares Mexico to TN for production, Corker will ensure that Mexico will rate better, thus fulfilling his comments.
 
2014-02-13 10:34:28 AM  
If I were one of the organizers and I heard of this comment, I would immediately call for a strike, and would be well within my legal right to organize one based on unfair labor practices.
 
2014-02-13 10:36:14 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Cletus C.: Not to be nit-picky, but it doesn't look like he did anything illegal.

Yeah, you're right.  Using his power as a lawmaker to make the insinuation that he will not fight for a new SUV to be built in the US should the employees vote to unionize?  Not illegal in any way, not even a veiled threat.

yes I AM being facetious.


Stating cause and effect...
Now illegal and filled with butthurt
 
2014-02-13 10:36:38 AM  

vudukungfu: Prison.


Show trial and summary execution.
 
2014-02-13 10:40:48 AM  

Cletus C.: Not to be nit-picky, but it doesn't look like he did anything illegal.


It really depends. The NLRB considers any act of intimidation or discrimination by an employer to retaliate against those trying to start or support a union an "unfair labor practice." In this case it would be the employer in trouble if anyone, but it's such a bizarre situation I honestly believe it's Corker making it up or misinterpreting what the employer representative told him instead of VW trying to influence the vote through him.
 
2014-02-13 10:41:04 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Cletus C.: Not to be nit-picky, but it doesn't look like he did anything illegal.

Yeah, you're right.  Using his power as a lawmaker to make the insinuation that he will not fight for a new SUV to be built in the US should the employees vote to unionize?  Not illegal in any way, not even a veiled threat.

yes I AM being facetious.


Actually, I see nothing illegal in what you say, and I am not being facetious. If he was the company president or some underling, sure, but the best the article can offer is perhaps he violated the "spirit of the law." Which means nothing, legally.
 
2014-02-13 10:41:43 AM  
It's been said before, but worth repeating... it's amazing that companies don't have a problem with businesses getting together to lobby in the form of chambers of commerce or the like... but if the workers try the same thing it's socialism!
 
2014-02-13 10:43:31 AM  

miscreant: It's been said before, but worth repeating... it's amazing that companies don't have a problem with businesses getting together to lobby in the form of chambers of commerce or the like... but if the workers try the same thing it's socialism!


The rule is: bosses and owners are always right, workers and labor are always wrong.

That's because Jesus gave the bosses more money, which is why they are bosses. GAWD himself blessed them and their right to rule. It's a divine right, if you will.
 
2014-02-13 10:44:42 AM  

Danger Mouse: rumpelstiltskin: The workers want a union, and the company wants a union. The only people who don't want a union are Republican politicians.
That said, I don't know if the UAW is the right union. The Germans want unions, but German unions are a lot different than ours. There isn't the us against them mentality we have, where management and unions squabble like dogs over a bone. I don't know how cooperation can occur at VW, when everything that happens there is going to be viewed in competitive terms over at GM and Ford.

Not so much.

Here's a better article.

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-second-cheerleader-st ep s-forward-to-allege-raiders-wage-theft-20140204,0,5055045.story


this is VW only american factory. America. In all its other factories VW have "Work Coucils" for managment to work better with employees. WC do not negotiate wages.  However, US labor laws forbid WC because they're viewed as emlpoyer run unions, hence the UAW stepped forward.

While the US VW executives publically say they don't oppose the unions, it's a sure bet they actually do.  The workers in TN are also anit union and probably this will be voted down.

Why a politician got involved is beyond me, unless the execs had a private chat with him and asked him on the side for a little push to ensure the UAW vote goes down.


Yeah, an article about the Raiderettes really sheds some light on this.
How many plants VW has in the US is irrelevant to the point I'm making.
You can speculate all you want about the personal beliefs of VW America executives. The fact is, their German masters want the Workers Council, and if that means they get a union, so be it.
 
2014-02-13 10:45:10 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: The workers want a union, and the company wants a union. The only people who don't want a union are Republican politicians.
That said, I don't know if the UAW is the right union. The Germans want unions, but German unions are a lot different than ours. There isn't the us against them mentality we have, where management and unions squabble like dogs over a bone. I don't know how cooperation can occur at VW, when everything that happens there is going to be viewed in competitive terms over at GM and Ford.


Very myopic... Often I find myself wondering why America never looks towards other countries to find good domestic policy
 
2014-02-13 10:45:25 AM  

Danger Mouse: rumpelstiltskin: The workers want a union, and the company wants a union. The only people who don't want a union are Republican politicians.
That said, I don't know if the UAW is the right union. The Germans want unions, but German unions are a lot different than ours. There isn't the us against them mentality we have, where management and unions squabble like dogs over a bone. I don't know how cooperation can occur at VW, when everything that happens there is going to be viewed in competitive terms over at GM and Ford.

Not so much.

Here's a better article.

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-second-cheerleader-st ep s-forward-to-allege-raiders-wage-theft-20140204,0,5055045.story


this is VW only american factory. America. In all its other factories VW have "Work Coucils" for managment to work better with employees. WC do not negotiate wages.  However, US labor laws forbid WC because they're viewed as emlpoyer run unions, hence the UAW stepped forward.

While the US VW executives publically say they don't oppose the unions, it's a sure bet they actually do.  The workers in TN are also anit union and probably this will be voted down.

Why a politician got involved is beyond me, unless the execs had a private chat with him and asked him on the side for a little push to ensure the UAW vote goes down.


He Oakland Raiders Cheerleaders are working in a VW factory in Tennessee?

The main reason the idiot opened his mouth is to score cheap political points with unions=Nazicommunist crowd. And I am guessing that discouraging workers from supporting the union was in his mind.
 
2014-02-13 10:46:45 AM  
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...is he going to threaten to close the Sweetums plant, too?
 
2014-02-13 10:47:51 AM  

incendi: mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?

Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.


What's even more humorous is that every other VW plant in the world has unionized workers.  Hell, over in Der Fatherland, businesses and labor unions work together.

But then, Republicans.
 
2014-02-13 10:49:08 AM  

mutterfark: incendi: mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?

Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.

It would be at least a little easier to understand if this was Boeing, or GE... you know a theoretically American company, but this is a foreign company so the revenues don't even stay in the country let alone the state of Tennessee. How do you sell this crap to your constituency?


This attitude is kind of a modern angle on mercantilism and its just as obsolete.

Foreign vs American ownership of companies that employ Americans doesn't really matter. I've worked for foreign multinationals and American multinationals. The "revenues" get spent on American salaries, rents and other local expenses. The "profits" are often put back into the company to continue growing.

The relatively tiny free wealth after all that is taken into account can occasionally make millionaires and billionaires of a few individuals, but whether they are American or foreign, their wealth doesn't really stay "local".
 
2014-02-13 10:50:04 AM  

Mjeck: Very myopic... Often I find myself wondering why America never looks towards other countries to find good domestic policy


Because American Exceptionalism is a requirement of holding public office. America is the least bad country in all categories, and to suggest we imitate inferior countries with our public policy is a tacit admission you think America is inferior to that country. Why do you hate America?
 
2014-02-13 10:53:39 AM  
The GOP fears the success of the German union model.

The point of all this is that if VW's TN plant adopts the union model used in Germany, and it proves to be successful (which it would, if the success of such unions in Germany are any indication), then two things will happen.  One, GOP will no longer be able to say that unions kill jobs, destroy profits, ruin economies, etc., and two, that European, Democratic/Socialism would never be able to function here in the US without high taxes, fascism, dogs and cats living together...  Germany is the powerhouse of the European economy and their public/private partnerships between corporations and labor unions in everything from offering apprenticeships to high school kids to paying workers high wages with generous, mandatory vacation time has been proven to be politically and financially successful for over a decade.  Once American workers get to experience it first-hand, their peers at other plants and industries in TN and other states will begin to demand it.
 
2014-02-13 10:55:40 AM  

mutterfark: incendi: mutterfark: I have a question. If Tennessee already gave VW tax breaks to build, and they don't want the UAW to secure good wages(that the workers then pay taxes on, buy goods and services with, etc.), then what the hell is the economic incentive to have a VW plant in your state anyway?

Somewhere along the line, "business-friendly" went from sucking corporate cock to get jobs and revenue and thus help your constituents, to sucking corporate cock just because it tastes so damned good.

It would be at least a little easier to understand if this was Boeing, or GE... you know a theoretically American company, but this is a foreign company so the revenues don't even stay in the country let alone the state of Tennessee. How do you sell this crap to your constituency?


Unions = Socialism
that's how
 
2014-02-13 10:55:51 AM  
rumpelstiltskin:

Yeah, an article about the Raiderettes really sheds some light on this.
How many plants VW has in the US is irrelevant to the point I'm making.
You can speculate all you want about the personal beliefs of VW America executives. The fact is, their German masters want the Workers Council, and if that means they get a union, so be it.


Dont know what happened. Here's the article

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/25/us-autos-volkswagen-tenness e e-analysis-idUSBRE9AO0VD20131125">http://www.reuters.com/article/2013 /11/25/us-autos-volkswagen-tennesse e-analysis-idUSBRE9AO0VD20131125

Big differnce between a workers council and a US labor union and  It's actually up to the employees if the union gets in, not thier "German masters"
 
2014-02-13 10:55:58 AM  
What's funny about the VW unionization thing is that during the raping of public unions in Michigan, conservatives were all "we just don't want public unions; private unions are fine". Of course they don't want any unions at all, nothing should oppose their corporate masters.
 
2014-02-13 10:56:15 AM  

Danger Mouse: While the US VW executives publically say they don't oppose the unions, it's a sure bet they actually do.


I wouldn't necessarily go that far, considering that the US VW executives are probably getting pushed by their German counterparts who already have to work with the Unions. The Germans want to make sure that there's a level playing field and not a race to the bottom. Basically, the Germans are saying the same thing about the Americans as the US says about Mexico.
 
2014-02-13 10:56:55 AM  
republicans suck.

that is all
 
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