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2014-02-13 04:36:40 AM  
Did you read his posts?  You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done? And imagine how you would feel if he wasn't having a 'joke' about eating a beating heart.
 
2014-02-13 05:52:20 AM  
Conflicted about this -- he seems like a namby-pamby Internet Tough Guy, so he probably wasn't a real threat, but he needs to be taught a lesson.
 
2014-02-13 08:26:52 AM  
I don't know if he deserves 10 years in prison, but if he's the sort of ignoramus who thinks his comments represent "sarcasm," "humor," or "a joke," then a little suffering is probably a good thing.
 
2014-02-13 08:48:38 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I don't know if he deserves 10 years in prison, but if he's the sort of ignoramus who thinks his comments represent "sarcasm," "humor," or "a joke," then a little suffering is probably a good thing.


Yeah, this.  10 years is a bit much but he does need to be taught a valuable lesson.
 
2014-02-13 08:52:48 AM  
This is stupid. It's like we enjoy spending lots of money to keep people in jail in this country.

This country is stupid.

Derr herr.
 
2014-02-13 08:59:11 AM  
I've read his postings.. it was very clear that this kid was deeply disturbed.  I felt the law was completely justified in this matter, he needs psychiatric help though more than prison.
 
2014-02-13 08:59:38 AM  
The private prison industry rejoices.

/kid was stupid, but not decade-of-hard-time stupid
 
2014-02-13 08:59:56 AM  
colinspooky [TotalFark]


Did you read his posts? You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done?

I would have treated it as the sarcastic response it was. But i'm an adult and not a bed-wetting liberal retard.
 
2014-02-13 09:00:36 AM  
He deserves it all, the dumba$$.


Kid has a prior restraining order on him...PRIOR to him being 14...this guy is definitely borderline.
 
2014-02-13 09:01:48 AM  
The phone screen capture is on Tbaytel, which is from Thunder Bay Ontario, about as far away from San Antonio as you can get.
 
2014-02-13 09:02:37 AM  

colinspooky: Did you read his posts?  You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done? And imagine how you would feel if he wasn't having a 'joke' about eating a beating heart.


The issue is not that the cops went to check it out. The issue is the lunacy of a system that doesn't have a "well that wasn't a big deal let's forget about it" option, which is clearly what is needed in this case. I'm assuming you're a sane person and you don't actually think jail time is an appropriate response.
 
2014-02-13 09:05:13 AM  

nekom: 10 years is a bit much but he does need to be taught a valuable lesson.


He has, he's spent several months in jail, apparently being abused by guards and prisoners.
 
2014-02-13 09:06:01 AM  

colinspooky: Did you read his posts?  You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done? And imagine how you would feel if he wasn't having a 'joke' about eating a beating heart.


What would I have done? Investigate, and when I didn't turn up any evidence that his "threats" were serious I would have dropped it. There, what was so hard about that?
 
2014-02-13 09:06:12 AM  
God damn. If I were born 15 years later, I'd have ended up in prison for life without parole.

Seriously, he's just a dumb teenager saying dumb teenager shiat. He would have eventually grown out of it. Now he's had a year of his life stolen, possibly nine more depending on how the court decides, and he'll carry those scars around with him for the rest of his life. Great job, people.
 
2014-02-13 09:06:32 AM  
There's a mandatory two-year extension of the sentence for claiming you have a gun that shoots through schools.
 
2014-02-13 09:08:24 AM  
So the appropriate response for bullish*t posted on the internet is prison and rape?

You guys are f*cking disturbed.
 
2014-02-13 09:09:29 AM  
Previous to this:
- Had a restraining order against him for threatening to kill a girl or shoot up a school
- Threatened suicide and has clear signs of depression
- Thinks he is the hyper-smart, weird kid
- Is from Texas

Probably not worth jail time, but this is a type of person that should never be allowed to own a gun.
 
2014-02-13 09:09:34 AM  

nekom: Pocket Ninja: I don't know if he deserves 10 years in prison, but if he's the sort of ignoramus who thinks his comments represent "sarcasm," "humor," or "a joke," then a little suffering is probably a good thing.

Yeah, this.  10 years is a bit much but he does need to be taught a valuable lesson.


That valuable lesson being 'pants shiatting cowards with no sense of proportion or context will be allowed to ruin your life because terrorism'
 
2014-02-13 09:13:52 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I don't know if he deserves 10 years in prison, but if he's the sort of ignoramus who thinks his comments represent "sarcasm," "humor," or "a joke," then a little suffering is probably a good thing.


I've seen similar things right here on Fark. Usually something along the lines of "If I have to [whatever intolerable thing they're ranting about] one more time, I swear to God I'm gonna snap and climb a clock tower/shoot up an elementary school/other random violent act." If every threat of violence on the internet resulted in prison time, Fark would be a goddamn ghost town.

Newsflash: People, especially teenagers, say stupid shiat that they don't mean all of the time, and people sometimes forget that things like sarcasm aren't as easy to read in text form.
 
2014-02-13 09:15:30 AM  

CommonName2: Probably not worth jail time, but this is a type of person that should never be allowed to own a gun.


The important thing is that the worst stuff you do as a teenager should be held against you for the rest of your life, even if no one is harmed.  It's a value we all share across the political spectrum.
 
2014-02-13 09:17:15 AM  
posted 60 days after the Sandy Hook school-shooting tragedy

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2014-02-13 09:17:30 AM  
This kid definitely needs some mental health treatment. Let's send him to the PTSD Factory! I'm sure he'll be all better when he gets out.
 
2014-02-13 09:19:29 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Seriously, he's just a dumb teenager saying dumb teenager shiat.


It happens.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-02-13 09:22:03 AM  
he looks like a real-life Eric Cartman and his lawyer's a dickhead scumbag; "lol what a little scamp, he was just making a joke, and you can't prove it was him even though evidence"
 
2014-02-13 09:22:15 AM  
I remember the last thread on this guy on Fark, and I don't recall them mentioning that he had a restraining order brought against him.  I can't say he is as smart as he thinks he is, because making public comments about shooting a school in this day and age are probably the most stupid thing you can say, especially in light of the previous order.

Stupid people who get caught threatening to mass murder children will have bad things happen.  Can't say I have a lot of sympathy, except that it would have been good if someone scared the asshat within an inch of his life during his first brush with the law.
 
2014-02-13 09:23:35 AM  
He doesn't deserve 10 years in jail, or even a month in jail even if he was serious. A mental facility and don't allow him to own a gun, but I don't know what good jail time will do.
 
2014-02-13 09:24:43 AM  
The only evidence the police have is an anonymous cell phone photo of words on a computer screen?  What happened to the right to face your accuser?
 
2014-02-13 09:25:07 AM  
I am a grown-ass adult.  Last year, when I was having a really bad day, a colleague asked me how I was doing.  I cheerfully informed him, "Well, the bad news is, I've realized I have to kill myself.  The good news is, I'm taking you all with me."  The color drained out of his face and he lost his mind for about thirty seconds, while I said, "Jesus, I'm not serious."  Then he sternly lectured me for a while that it was not okay to joke about those things, which just made my damn day worse.

All that really came out of it was that I had a permanent new note in my head:  "Do not make dark jokes to Dave.  He is an enormous, whiny pussy."

Guess I'm just lucky I didn't put it in writing, or I could have been raped in prison after being held without charge by now.
 
2014-02-13 09:27:39 AM  
While I do not disagree with the initial investigation, continuing to pursue this is stupid and counter productive.  It may be a news flash, but sometimes 18 year olds say and do provocative things just to get a reaction.  This guy should have had his hand slapped, ordered to get some therapy just in case there were some issues, and the matter dropped.

I am also curious, the person who said 'I hope you burn in hell'....isn't that an implied threat?  Why aren't htey pursuing her a little more aggressively.
 
2014-02-13 09:28:21 AM  

Zeno-25: posted 60 days after the Sandy Hook school-shooting tragedy

[static.fjcdn.com image 577x793]


Well, to be fair, WHEN haven't there been a scholl shooting recently?

/Rocking the All-Caps + threats is worth at least 30 days in slammer
//E-penis measuring is worth 1 day of picking up litter
///Further pissing off an offended person, possibly female, reduces the sentence by 14 days.
////Make me the E-dictator, and we will all be happy!
 
2014-02-13 09:31:51 AM  
I am also conflicted. On the one hand, jesus christ, people need to learn how sarcasm works. And even if he was serious, a threat doesn't deserve ten years in jail. But on the other hand, if I saw something like this and didn't do anything about it, and then something actually happened...Moral grey areas suck.
 
2014-02-13 09:32:28 AM  
This makes at least as much sense as arresting guys for chatting with cops who pretend to be 14 year old girls.

Actually more because most of them will never have the means to locate a real 14 year old girl on the internet, while this doofus can easily purchase a gun in any flavor any day of the week.

I personally would be satisfied to judge him mental and forbid him from ever legally owning a firearm.  Maybe that would actually work if we could ever get the gun-show loop-hole closed.
 
2014-02-13 09:35:03 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HeartBurnKid: Seriously, he's just a dumb teenager saying dumb teenager shiat.

It happens.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x608]


Yeah, no shiat it happens. But you'd think that a search of the home, and maybe a psychiatric evaluation, would be enough to determine that it wasn't going to happen with this kid. FFS, I got that just reading the guy's comments a freaking year ago when this story broke. In context,  it's painfully obvious sarcasm. It's the sort of thing a weird, smart, fat loner kid comes to see as funny. I have first-hand knowledge.
 
2014-02-13 09:37:08 AM  

MycroftHolmes: While I do not disagree with the initial investigation, continuing to pursue this is stupid and counter productive.  It may be a news flash, but sometimes 18 year olds say and do provocative things just to get a reaction.  This guy should have had his hand slapped, ordered to get some therapy just in case there were some issues, and the matter dropped.

I am also curious, the person who said 'I hope you burn in hell'....isn't that an implied threat?  Why aren't htey pursuing her a little more aggressively.


Well, unless "hell" is suddenly a real place, no, it is not an implied threat. It just gives you a good opening for a joke about church arson.

/church arson jokes are still cool, right?
 
2014-02-13 09:38:35 AM  

flondrix: The only evidence the police have is an anonymous cell phone photo of words on a computer screen?  What happened to the right to face your accuser?


Snitch is Canadian, you don't know them.

Kid is a dumbass but doesn't deserve to be sexually assaulted and locked in prison.
 
2014-02-13 09:41:31 AM  
I cant believe some of the people posting here. You don't like his humor so you think he needs to be "taught a lesson"? A person who didn't commit a crime shouldn't be in jail. Failing to make you laugh is not a crime
 
2014-02-13 09:42:10 AM  

MBrady: CommonName2: Previous to this:
- Had a restraining order against him for threatening to kill a girl or shoot up a school
- Threatened suicide and has clear signs of depression
- Thinks he is the hyper-smart, weird kid
- Is from Texas

Probably not worth jail time, but this is a type of person that should never be allowed to own a gun.

whoa! I guess we need to call Chief John Anderton and have any kids and teenagers arrested for "acting out," or yelling that they "hate their parents."  Next you'll be arresting teenage boys for fapping to their girlfriends sext pictures.  after that, we should arrest any airline passenger for greeting their buddy jack in the seat next to them.


Well that escalated quickly.
 
2014-02-13 09:44:33 AM  
something something thought crime something something thanks, Obama.
 
2014-02-13 09:45:37 AM  

Quickpull: I cant believe some of the people posting here. You don't like his humor so you think he needs to be "taught a lesson"? A person who didn't commit a crime shouldn't be in jail. Failing to make you laugh is not a crime


The irony of that being that I'm pretty confident that the most ardent of the 'he deserved it' crowd are also on the lower end of EQ and social skills.
 
2014-02-13 09:45:58 AM  
Real Women Drink Akvavit:

Well, unless "hell" is suddenly a real place, no, it is not an implied threat. It just gives you a good opening for a joke about church arson.

/church arson jokes are still cool, right?


pix.epodunk.com
 
2014-02-13 09:48:39 AM  

colinspooky: Did you read his posts?  You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done? And imagine how you would feel if he wasn't having a 'joke' about eating a beating heart.


ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

Learn it.  Know it.  Live it.

You Sir are *PRECISELY* the sort of person that makes these sorts of laws get enacted and enforced without the discretion a normal, rational human being would apply.

Now, would it be appropriate to investigate this?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to warn the person that this sort of thing isn't to be taken lightly?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to have a qualified mental health practitioner interview him?  Yes.

Would it be appropriate to charge him with a felony that could result in 10 years for stupid Facebook comments with *ZERO* corroborating evidence that he was predisposed to do something like that?  No.

It's doubly so because according to TFA, the police don't have the entire Facebook thread, just a cell phone snapshot of 3 comments in isolation.
 
2014-02-13 09:50:55 AM  

Quality Unassured: Real Women Drink Akvavit:

Well, unless "hell" is suddenly a real place, no, it is not an implied threat. It just gives you a good opening for a joke about church arson.

/church arson jokes are still cool, right?

[pix.epodunk.com image 400x250]


Much more awesome version of Hell
upload.wikimedia.org
/I have been there
//it was actually a bit cold and damp
 
2014-02-13 09:51:27 AM  

dittybopper: colinspooky: Did you read his posts?  You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done? And imagine how you would feel if he wasn't having a 'joke' about eating a beating heart.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

Learn it.  Know it.  Live it.

You Sir are *PRECISELY* the sort of person that makes these sorts of laws get enacted and enforced without the discretion a normal, rational human being would apply.

Now, would it be appropriate to investigate this?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to warn the person that this sort of thing isn't to be taken lightly?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to have a qualified mental health practitioner interview him?  Yes.

Would it be appropriate to charge him with a felony that could result in 10 years for stupid Facebook comments with *ZERO* corroborating evidence that he was predisposed to do something like that?  No.

It's doubly so because according to TFA, the police don't have the entire Facebook thread, just a cell phone snapshot of 3 comments in isolation.


But you don't understand, colin is FRIGHTENED and that's important.
 
2014-02-13 09:52:13 AM  

OnlyM3: colinspooky [TotalFark]


Did you read his posts? You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done?
I would have treated it as the sarcastic response it was. But i'm an adult and not a bed-wetting liberal retard.


This.
 
2014-02-13 09:52:24 AM  

dittybopper: colinspooky: Did you read his posts?  You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done? And imagine how you would feel if he wasn't having a 'joke' about eating a beating heart.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

Learn it.  Know it.  Live it.

You Sir are *PRECISELY* the sort of person that makes these sorts of laws get enacted and enforced without the discretion a normal, rational human being would apply.

Now, would it be appropriate to investigate this?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to warn the person that this sort of thing isn't to be taken lightly?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to have a qualified mental health practitioner interview him?  Yes.

Would it be appropriate to charge him with a felony that could result in 10 years for stupid Facebook comments with *ZERO* corroborating evidence that he was predisposed to do something like that?  No.

It's doubly so because according to TFA, the police don't have the entire Facebook thread, just a cell phone snapshot of 3 comments in isolation.


This.
 
2014-02-13 09:57:31 AM  

Tigger: dittybopper: colinspooky: Did you read his posts?  You say 'joke', the features says 'sarcastic', but have a read and tell us honestly what you would have done. This guy may be joking but with language like that AND that fact some people REALLY DO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS, what would you have done? And imagine how you would feel if he wasn't having a 'joke' about eating a beating heart.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

Learn it.  Know it.  Live it.

You Sir are *PRECISELY* the sort of person that makes these sorts of laws get enacted and enforced without the discretion a normal, rational human being would apply.

Now, would it be appropriate to investigate this?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to warn the person that this sort of thing isn't to be taken lightly?  Yes.
Would it be appropriate to have a qualified mental health practitioner interview him?  Yes.

Would it be appropriate to charge him with a felony that could result in 10 years for stupid Facebook comments with *ZERO* corroborating evidence that he was predisposed to do something like that?  No.

It's doubly so because according to TFA, the police don't have the entire Facebook thread, just a cell phone snapshot of 3 comments in isolation.

But you don't understand, colin is FRIGHTENED and that's important.


One might say he's spooked.
 
2014-02-13 09:59:01 AM  
Why would you want to send someone like that away for ten years to a place where his entire peer group will be encouraging him to follow through once he gets out?
 
2014-02-13 10:01:22 AM  
www.anunews.net

Thanks to the Canadian in the article.
 
2014-02-13 10:01:25 AM  

Quickpull: A person who didn't commit a crime shouldn't be in jail. Failing to make you laugh is not a crime


He has a right to present that as a defense at his trial.  In the time being he is being charged with making terroristic threats, which actually is a crime.  All he needs to do is have his lawyer convince 1 juror out of 12 that these comments were not terroristic threats, but merely very distasteful jokes, then the kid will be set free on his own again.

I don't really know the man, so I can't tell if he was serious about shooting up the school and eating babies.  This article was certainly presented in such a way as to put him in the most favorable light possible, but he seems like he has problems that are a little more than just being a bad joke teller or an insensitive jerk.   I think he might need some sort of mental health treatment and not jail time.

I figure the jury will get to hear a lot more evidence and will be able to decide much better than we will if the man is guilty.
 
2014-02-13 10:02:27 AM  
His comments aside (which were obviously satire), the investigation has been completely blown by some of the most incompetent law enforcement and prosecution ever perpetrated. This has lawsuit written all over it, even if he WAS guilty and the threat was valid. I mean seriously, questioning him without his lawyer and telling him they'd let him go if he confessed? Don't they watch ANY Law & Order?


/withdrawn, your honor
 
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