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(Gamespot)   Bill Gates says he is not a big gamer. Which is pretty obvious since he has a job, a wife and several billion dollars   (gamespot.com) divider line 48
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2014-02-13 08:33:28 AM  
I think he's OK.
He did alright by himself.
 
2014-02-13 09:19:47 AM  
I don't get the gamer hate.  Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?  I guess TV fans get about the same amount of shiat as gamers.
 
2014-02-13 09:48:46 AM  

EvilEgg: Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?


Yes, they do.  They don't say it as often, and it's not treated as seriously, because neither of those are generally considered childish.  It doesn't matter, since hobbies are for your own enjoyment.

//I play games, write music, and draw in about equal measure these days, and only shooters make me feel like I've been wasting time that harms my brain more than helps it.
 
2014-02-13 09:51:36 AM  

ikanreed: EvilEgg: Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?

Yes, they do.  They don't say it as often, and it's not treated as seriously, because neither of those are generally considered childish.  It doesn't matter, since hobbies are for your own enjoyment.

//I play games, write music, and draw in about equal measure these days, and only shooters make me feel like I've been wasting time that harms my brain more than helps it.


Which is wrong, because shooters do actually help your brain with quick prioritizing and decision making.
 
2014-02-13 09:52:04 AM  
Also since it's hard to play games with punch cards, which I think is that last time he did any programming

/All MS OS's where purchased
 
2014-02-13 09:52:58 AM  
Life is what you make it. I am of a type that enjoys staying home playing games.

If that somehow makes me less of a person than a guy who likes to climb mountains or to impregnate as many females as possible then so be it.
 
2014-02-13 09:55:04 AM  
It's ok, because he has the world's only working Holodeck.
/It's good to be rich!
 
2014-02-13 09:56:17 AM  
This should be OBVIOUS instead of "interesting.  I mean, look at the Xbox One
 
2014-02-13 10:10:37 AM  
Yeah, I would imagine he derives more enjoyment from actually tinkering with hardware and software than using it.  I mean, he wasn't the technical mind behind most of MS's stuff so much as the business mind, but you still don't get into that industry at that level (founding your own company from the ground) if you don't have some pretty definite interests in that direction.

// I still sometimes sit for 3 or 4 hours literally not opening a single application to actually use it, sometimes, when something catches my eye during routine maintenance and it turns into optimization time.  Still better than most MMOs.

EvilEgg: Which is wrong, because shooters do actually help your brain with quick prioritizing and decision making.


That being valuable... when in your life, exactly?

The only thing I can think of where a reaction time on the order of the point-click paradigm of most shooters is maybe responding to emergencies while driving.  And even that is much more about preparation and task-specific training than quick decisions.

I mean, I could see you arguing that it's applicable maybe for MOBAs, they have a tactical and a cooperative element and there are plenty of situations where rapid coordination and response to other people is a thing, but with shooters you're responding primarily to simple moving targets with basic, unbending logic.  What are you doing that that kind of problem requires twitch reflexes in your life, are you a competitive Tetris player or something?
 
2014-02-13 10:11:21 AM  
albatros183:
/All MS OS's where purchased

Apparently you didn't pay for the grammar checker, though.
 
2014-02-13 10:11:58 AM  

AntiGravitas: This should be OBVIOUS instead of "interesting.  I mean, look at the Xbox One


Yeah, subby missed a chance at some good headlines.
 
2014-02-13 10:15:45 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't get the gamer hate.  Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?  I guess TV fans get about the same amount of shiat as gamers.


If you're enjoying yourself, you're not wasting your life. However if you play games as a distraction because the rest of your life is unspeakably shiatty then it could be argued that a chunk of that time is time wasted.
 
2014-02-13 10:32:08 AM  
Yesterday at school I saw a guy playing a 3DS.

C'mon, man!
 
2014-02-13 10:44:26 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I would imagine he derives more enjoyment from actually tinkering with hardware and software than using it.  I mean, he wasn't the technical mind behind most of MS's stuff so much as the business mind, but you still don't get into that industry at that level (founding your own company from the ground) if you don't have some pretty definite interests in that direction.

// I still sometimes sit for 3 or 4 hours literally not opening a single application to actually use it, sometimes, when something catches my eye during routine maintenance and it turns into optimization time.  Still better than most MMOs.

EvilEgg: Which is wrong, because shooters do actually help your brain with quick prioritizing and decision making.

That being valuable... when in your life, exactly?

The only thing I can think of where a reaction time on the order of the point-click paradigm of most shooters is maybe responding to emergencies while driving.  And even that is much more about preparation and task-specific training than quick decisions.

I mean, I could see you arguing that it's applicable maybe for MOBAs, they have a tactical and a cooperative element and there are plenty of situations where rapid coordination and response to other people is a thing, but with shooters you're responding primarily to simple moving targets with basic, unbending logic.  What are you doing that that kind of problem requires twitch reflexes in your life, are you a competitive Tetris player or something?


granted, a main trait of shooters is just aiming at moving targets, folks who are actually GOOD at them do more that just aim & shoot on reflex.  they coordinate & communicate with their teammates to come up with strategy & dominate those who 'lone wolf' it.

lightening quick reflexes are great, but if you are an old gamer like myself, you find yourself far outpaced by the 12 year old that just shot you to pieces.  knowledge of the map,patience & being familiar with all the "gadgets" modern games feature (claymore mines, antitank mines, motion sensors etc.) can often balance this equation & brings a lot more dynamic action than 'point & shoot'.

just don't fret about getting killed alot.

a  lot
 
2014-02-13 10:47:06 AM  
I would say he is anti-gamer considering he is responsible for the console wars that has farked gaming and set it back a decade.


The pc master race was doing just fine before you casuals and your piss poor control devices came in and shiat all over everything!!!
 
2014-02-13 10:56:38 AM  

orclover: I would say he is anti-gamer considering he is responsible for the console wars that has farked gaming and set it back a decade.


The pc master race was doing just fine before you casuals and your piss poor control devices came in and shiat all over everything!!!


Remember Halo?

/Lest we forget
 
2014-02-13 11:04:33 AM  

p4p3rm4t3: orclover: I would say he is anti-gamer considering he is responsible for the console wars that has farked gaming and set it back a decade. The pc master race was doing just fine before you casuals and your piss poor control devices came in and shiat all over everything!!!

Remember Halo?

/Lest we forget


//

Lovingly documented by Wikipidia

 "The first Halo game was announced on July 21, 1999, during the Macworld Conference & Expo.[79] It was originally planned to be a real-time strategy game for the Mac and Windows operating systems, but later changed into a third-person action game.[20][79][80] On June 19, 2000, Microsoft acquired Bungie Studios and Halo: Combat Evolved became a launch title for the Xbox video game console."

Ya that's kinda how it went. Billy wanted into the market and needed a game. So he $ this one.
Much butt hurt for the people who were waiting.
 
2014-02-13 11:04:57 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't get the gamer hate.  Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?  I guess TV fans get about the same amount of shiat as gamers.


There are plenty of ways to spend your free time, but for some reason video games get a bad rep.  The thing is, gaming sharpens mental abilities, hand-eye coordination, and reflexes, while sitting on your duff watching Honey Boo Boo episodes just drains what little IQ you had.  I think there are a multitude of other hobbies that are much worse than gaming, but it's an easy target for ignorant parental groups to attack.
 
2014-02-13 11:10:44 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't get the gamer hate.  Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?  I guess TV fans get about the same amount of shiat as gamers.


- "gamers" usually refer to themselves as capital-G "Gamers", as if what they were doing was significant in some way
- they speak as if it's a noble "profession" (e.g. Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Gamer)
- although almost everyone plays games, only a few are "
elite" enough to deserve to be called "Gamers"
- they can be incredibly condescending(!?!?!?), exclusionary, and abusive
- they've turned a pleasant diversion into a colossal waste of time
 
2014-02-13 11:18:56 AM  

baconbeard: EvilEgg: I don't get the gamer hate.  Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?  I guess TV fans get about the same amount of shiat as gamers.

- "gamers" usually refer to themselves as capital-G "Gamers", as if what they were doing was significant in some way
- they speak as if it's a noble "profession" (e.g. Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Gamer)
- although almost everyone plays games, only a few are "elite" enough to deserve to be called "Gamers"
- they can be incredibly condescending(!?!?!?), exclusionary, and abusive
- they've turned a pleasant diversion into a colossal waste of time


usoundmadbro

& also massively hypocritical, but don't let that stand in the way of your hate.

thechive.files.wordpress.com
hate on sir, hate on
 
2014-02-13 11:19:43 AM  

baconbeard: - "gamers" usually refer to themselves as capital-G "Gamers", as if what they were doing was significant in some way
- they speak as if it's a noble "profession" (e.g. Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Gamer)
- although almost everyone plays games, only a few are "elite" enough to deserve to be called "Gamers"
- they can be incredibly condescending(!?!?!?), exclusionary, and abusive
- they've turned a pleasant diversion into a colossal waste of time


sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-13 11:23:26 AM  
I game. My wife games. We own a 360 that we barely play. We met on WoW 5 years ago and have been living together since a month after that.

Now because we game, we're not going to have kids. We're selfish like that.
 
2014-02-13 11:46:23 AM  
Jim_Callahan: ......

.......

I mean, I could see you arguing that it's applicable maybe for MOBAs, they have a tactical and a cooperative element and there are plenty of situations where rapid coordination and response to other people is a thing, but with shooters you're responding primarily to simple moving targets with basic, unbending logic.  What are you doing that that kind of problem requires twitch reflexes in your life, are you a competitive Tetris player or something?


It's not necessarily just twitch reflexes, shooters help you see what shouldn't be somewhere and the ability to react to that faster -- you might notice the cat coming at you earlier than normal and might be able to move out of the way and not get clawed; twitch reflexes are handy if you have a dog like mine that shoots the tennis ball back at you, at good speed, about 25% of the time and being able to twitch reflex and catch them is better than being smacked in the face.

It seemed in your description of shooters having "simple moving targets with basic, unbending logic" that you're describing an older single player game on an easy/normal setting.  I'll agree that those won't help as much, if at all, but newer (some) modern games have dynamic AI that does different things each time making you not learn a pattern and forces reacting quickly.  The real skill developing is with online multiplayer since real people will come at you from all sorts of directions, different tactics, possible teamwork, varieties of weapons, varied play style, and there's nothing simple or basic about that....unless they're a noob that keeps walking out the same door, down the same corridor, using the same (bad) camping spot, giving me easy (sniper) kills......I don't usually camp, but I will if a noob keeps feeding easy kills.  Don't hate the player or the game; hate your dumbass tactics (or shiatty netcode that allows me to unload a full P90 at point blank range only to have the enemy do a 180-one-hit-kill when I'm reloading........).

/why the fark do the BF4 snipers have so much glare?
//in a pitch black room with no light, but the scope has lens flare?
///balance is one thing, but a scope shouldn't have the same effect angling a mirror in the sun towards someones face does.  Engineers FTW
 
2014-02-13 11:57:05 AM  

baconbeard: EvilEgg: I don't get the gamer hate.  Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?  I guess TV fans get about the same amount of shiat as gamers.

- "gamers" usually refer to themselves as capital-G "Gamers", as if what they were doing was significant in some way
- they speak as if it's a noble "profession" (e.g. Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Gamer)
- although almost everyone plays games, only a few are "elite" enough to deserve to be called "Gamers"
- they can be incredibly condescending(!?!?!?), exclusionary, and abusive
- they've turned a pleasant diversion into a colossal waste of time


Unlike what you are doing here of course.


Remember folks
Spend all Sunday watching a game on your TV = cool guy, probably a stud, definitely doesn't have beer belly
Spend all Sunday playing a game on your TV = lol nerd, you never vagina, pasty fat neckbeard


/I guess I'm a gamer, I do love playing video games
//Hot wife, large income from my busy job, and kids means little time to do so these days though
 
2014-02-13 12:06:47 PM  

EvilEgg: I don't get the gamer hate.  Nobody says avid readers are wasting their life, how about movie buffs?  I guess TV fans get about the same amount of shiat as gamers.


I think it has to do with the repetitive nature of most games.  If someone spends six hours a day reading the same book he just read last week, or listening to the same six albums over and over again for a month, people would look say they are wasting their time too.

I had a couple of friends who racked up literally months of gametime spent on Everquest back in the day.  They would play six to ten hours a day.  Those type of extremes don't help the gamer stereotype either -- for some people they become addictions.
 
2014-02-13 12:30:55 PM  

Brokenseas: They would play six to ten hours a day.


So they were lightweights?

Knew a guy who would put in 12-18 hours daily for a while when he was living off his parents money who thought he was in college, every waking hour.  He played 3 accounts on 3 computers simultaneously.  We actually planned an intervention at one point.
 
2014-02-13 12:33:42 PM  
This thread could've been interesting until along came a bunch of idiots trying to turn gaming into some sort of positive.

Yo, it's a time-waster.  You do it to waste time.  Which is fine, watching TV and backyard BBQs are also time-wasters, but FFS don't pretend a spunkgargleweewee game is making you a better person.  Is it skill-building?  Sure -- at gaming.  The stimuli are very specific.

Now, my D&D DM-ing skills, on the other hand. . . well, 99% of them are useless, but I have found that I'm better than average at running a meeting efficiently.
 
2014-02-13 12:51:56 PM  
You know who is a gamer, and has a job, a wife, and a couple billion dollars?

media.edge-online.com
 
2014-02-13 12:55:36 PM  
Is that why Microsoft's newest system is more of a glorified voice controlled DVR then a gaming console?
 
2014-02-13 12:56:21 PM  

dragonchild: This thread could've been interesting until along came a bunch of idiots trying to turn gaming into some sort of positive.

Yo, it's a time-waster.  You do it to waste time.  Which is fine, watching TV and backyard BBQs are also time-wasters, but FFS don't pretend a spunkgargleweewee game is making you a better person.  Is it skill-building?  Sure -- at gaming.  The stimuli are very specific.

Now, my D&D DM-ing skills, on the other hand. . . well, 99% of them are useless, but I have found that I'm better than average at running a meeting efficiently.


Hell hath no fury like a "Gamer" scorned.
 
2014-02-13 01:01:05 PM  
Hold it.... Bill has a job?   Where?   He doesn't work at Microsoft any longer.
 
2014-02-13 01:03:48 PM  
Oddly enough, busy people don't spend much time on hobbies. I imagine Bill Gates might be too busy to pop in the latest Moden Call of Warfare game or play Flappy Bird.
 
2014-02-13 01:10:28 PM  

ikanreed: shooters


clarify.

This

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or

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-13 01:23:34 PM  
img.fark.net

No shiat
 
2014-02-13 02:20:35 PM  
Spending time and wasting time are subjective judgments about the value of an activity. Saying that an adult is wasting time by playing video games assumes a superior knowledge about how that person should be spending his time. At the heart of this judgment is the belief that individuals should always engage in 'constructive' activity, that time should be spent in pursuit of some goal, and that all recreation is, to one degree or another, a waste of time.
 
2014-02-13 03:17:48 PM  

albatros183: Also since it's hard to play games with punch cards, which I think is that last time he did any programming

/All MS OS's where purchased


Thank you. I feel like an idiot now. All these years I've been thinking gates personally coded every line.
 
2014-02-13 04:09:22 PM  
If I had Bill Gates Billions and billions of dollars I'd lead a life that would make the Hedonism bot blush.
 
2014-02-13 04:29:26 PM  
Well, duh. Gamers are usually geeks. Bill is a nerd, not a geek.
 
2014-02-13 06:01:24 PM  

red5ish: Spending time and wasting time are subjective judgments about the value of an activity. Saying that an adult is wasting time by playing video games assumes a superior knowledge about how that person should be spending his time. At the heart of this judgment is the belief that individuals should always engage in 'constructive' activity, that time should be spent in pursuit of some goal, and that all recreation is, to one degree or another, a waste of time.


Well it's worth remembering that playing video games is sedentary and won't increase your physical fitness, whereas javelin throwing, in addition to being real exercise, could come in handy in the event of a zombie apocalypse.
 
2014-02-13 06:05:05 PM  

RKade: I game. My wife games. We own a 360 that we barely play. We met on WoW 5 years ago and have been living together since a month after that.

Now because we game, we're not going to have kids. We're selfish like that.


Ok I don't have a picture of Darwin handy, maybe someone can oblige.
 
2014-02-13 06:15:46 PM  

Animatronik: red5ish: Spending time and wasting time are subjective judgments about the value of an activity. Saying that an adult is wasting time by playing video games assumes a superior knowledge about how that person should be spending his time. At the heart of this judgment is the belief that individuals should always engage in 'constructive' activity, that time should be spent in pursuit of some goal, and that all recreation is, to one degree or another, a waste of time.

Well it's worth remembering that playing video games is sedentary and won't increase your physical fitness, whereas javelin throwing, in addition to being real exercise, could come in handy in the event of a zombie apocalypse.


I believe you may be discounting the degree to which video games prepare players to face a zombie apocalypse. Why, just yesterday a Farker posted a clip from Saints Row 3 which clearly demonstrated the devastating nature of the dildo bat.
 
2014-02-13 07:19:30 PM  

Animatronik: RKade: I game. My wife games. We own a 360 that we barely play. We met on WoW 5 years ago and have been living together since a month after that.

Now because we game, we're not going to have kids. We're selfish like that.

Ok I don't have a picture of Darwin handy, maybe someone can oblige.


What're you driving at?
 
2014-02-13 10:46:56 PM  

ltdanman44: ikanreed: shooters

clarify.

This

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 321x157]

or

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x680]


The former all called "Shmups" by people not yet deciding on their favorite nursing homes.
 
2014-02-13 10:58:59 PM  

RKade: Animatronik: RKade: I game. My wife games. We own a 360 that we barely play. We met on WoW 5 years ago and have been living together since a month after that.

Now because we game, we're not going to have kids. We're selfish like that.

Ok I don't have a picture of Darwin handy, maybe someone can oblige.

What're you driving at?


Well, it was looking promising when you found a mate, but unfortunately your gaming hobby has caused you to remove your genes from the gene pool by not having children, which similar to someone who won a Darwin award. No offense.
 
2014-02-14 01:10:51 AM  
Not a video gamer myself, but it's a damn hobby. They are supposed to be a waste of time and a way to blow off steam.

/Goes back to painting a Warhammer miniature...
 
2014-02-14 02:50:00 AM  
i heard that guy has done a lot to reduce polio in the world.
 
2014-02-14 03:01:37 AM  

Animatronik: RKade: Animatronik: RKade: I game. My wife games. We own a 360 that we barely play. We met on WoW 5 years ago and have been living together since a month after that.

Now because we game, we're not going to have kids. We're selfish like that.

Ok I don't have a picture of Darwin handy, maybe someone can oblige.

What're you driving at?

Well, it was looking promising when you found a mate, but unfortunately your gaming hobby has caused you to remove your genes from the gene pool by not having children, which similar to someone who won a Darwin award. No offense.


You misunderstand. I'm removing my genes from the pool because I'm very very disabled. The sound of a baby's cry would, literally, cause me to kill it because, among other things, I have ears that are very sensitive to high pitched, as well as loud, noises.

Not only that but, before she met me, my wife had to raise her brother and sister who are 16 and 19 years her junior and she doesn't much care for it.

My flippant remark correlating our love of games to our hatred of children was merely a nicety as I didn't think the entire thread cared about our piddly little lives as neither of us are, as far as I can tell, Bill Gates.
 
2014-02-14 03:27:45 PM  
oh, he's a gamer.


games the U.S. Government quite often.


and he needs to focus more on the Dirty Laundry.   forget the dishes for now.
 
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