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2014-02-13 12:33:18 AM  
Ryce warned pedophiles to think twice about killing their victims.

Um... maybe you should encourage some additional thinking about the other part as well.
 
2014-02-13 12:39:59 AM  
After reading the Wikipedia Entry on the case, I'm torn. On one hand, nothing of value was lost here.

On another hand, a psychic lead the mother to suspect Chavez? Really?
 
2014-02-13 12:48:41 AM  
Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.

A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.

Also, if you're from the other thread, notice this monster wasn't caught in a sting. These are the criminals police detectives should be hunting 24/7. No stings or vice crime.
 
2014-02-13 12:56:37 AM  

hardinparamedic: After reading the Wikipedia Entry on the case, I'm torn. On one hand, nothing of value was lost here.

On another hand, a psychic lead the mother to suspect Chavez? Really?


Wait, what?
 
2014-02-13 01:00:29 AM  

doglover: Wait, what


Sorry. It was the person who employed Chavez.

From the Jimmy Ryce Wiki Page:

Chavez worked for the Scheinhaus family. He lived in a trailer on their property. Around the time of Jimmy's disappearance, Scheinhaus reported several items missing from her home including a handgun and jewelry. Scheinhaus suspected Chavez, after consulting with a psychic, but had no evidence to support her suspicions. Aided by a locksmith, Scheinhaus entered Chavez's trailer. She found her handgun and young Jimmy's bookbag. She reported her findings to the

Being advised of his rights and after a 55-hour-long interrogation, Chavez openly admitted to abducting, raping and murdering Jimmy. Chavez also led police to the boy's body, which was dismembered and hidden in cement in three plastic planters.
 
2014-02-13 01:01:03 AM  
Okay. The family who hired Chavez found a handgun missing. The mother consulted with a psychic (ie talked to a cold reader who told her what she wanted to hear), then she hired a locksmith to open Chavez's trailer where the stolen goods and backpack of Jimmy's were. At least, according to wikipedia.
 
2014-02-13 01:08:29 AM  
Fry him.
 
2014-02-13 01:18:49 AM  

bluorangefyre: Fry him.


You're a bit late...
 
2014-02-13 01:45:29 AM  

doglover: bluorangefyre: Fry him.

You're a bit late...


Or early, considering Florida hasn't used Old Sparky since 1999.
 
2014-02-13 01:58:15 AM  

fusillade762: doglover: bluorangefyre: Fry him.

You're a bit late...

Or early, considering Florida hasn't used Old Sparky since 1999.


If you light a murdering pedophile on fire, will he be warm for the rest of his life?
 
2014-02-13 02:15:10 AM  
No, not in my name.
 
2014-02-13 02:18:38 AM  
I can now drink Colombian coffee with a clear conscience.
 
2014-02-13 02:25:48 AM  
killing him doesn't 'balance the scales'. It IS immensely satisfying though.
 
2014-02-13 02:25:48 AM  
What about justice for the girl who was raped and murdered in 1990?
 
2014-02-13 02:29:50 AM  
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2014-02-13 02:37:50 AM  

hardinparamedic: fusillade762: doglover: bluorangefyre: Fry him.

You're a bit late...

Or early, considering Florida hasn't used Old Sparky since 1999.

If you light a murdering pedophile on fire, will he be warm for the rest of his life?


Yes, unless he comes back to get you in your dreams.
 
2014-02-13 02:40:41 AM  
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"Justice has been served for an evil man," he said.
 
2014-02-13 02:40:48 AM  

Abacus9: hardinparamedic: fusillade762: doglover: bluorangefyre: Fry him.

You're a bit late...

Or early, considering Florida hasn't used Old Sparky since 1999.

If you light a murdering pedophile on fire, will he be warm for the rest of his life?

Yes, unless he comes back to get you in your dreams.


Beware his evil hairpiece.
 
2014-02-13 02:41:09 AM  

Abacus9: Yes, unless he comes back to get you in your dreams.


That's when you dream that you're a bad ass with a .45 M1911.
 
2014-02-13 02:45:27 AM  

hardinparamedic: Abacus9: Yes, unless he comes back to get you in your dreams.

That's when you dream that you're a bad ass with a .45 M1911.


H&K .45 USP, 12 rounds over 8 :)
 
2014-02-13 02:47:13 AM  
Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.
 
2014-02-13 02:48:06 AM  

Abacus9: hardinparamedic: fusillade762: doglover: bluorangefyre: Fry him.

You're a bit late...

Or early, considering Florida hasn't used Old Sparky since 1999.

If you light a murdering pedophile on fire, will he be warm for the rest of his life?

Yes, unless he comes back to get you in your dreams.


Or through your TV. That would be a shocker.
 
2014-02-13 02:49:12 AM  
Worked with a guy who was an EMT in Florida when Danny Rolling killed 5 people.

It was not a pleasant conversation...
 
2014-02-13 02:55:00 AM  

phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.


I'd like to think Socrates and Plato are in a better place than this guy.
 
2014-02-13 02:59:43 AM  

phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.


I don't think Hell wants him either. Something about a better class of sinner.
 
2014-02-13 03:02:23 AM  
doglover: Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.
A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.
 
So, you want fast justice without safeguards, but at the same time you want safeguards and contemplation.  Do you want to win prizes by watching, too?
 
2014-02-13 03:04:55 AM  
Here's a suggestion: these convicted killers get a cell, no door, no window, but with a red push-stop button. They can push it whenever they've had enough. Otherwise, bread and water x 3 per day.
 
2014-02-13 03:15:58 AM  
Night night, molesty man!!!
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2014-02-13 03:22:34 AM  

phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.


Pedophilia is a mental disorder of sexual preference, and hetero/homosexuality doesn't apply after that.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Development_and_sexual_orien t ation

/I took the bait...
 
2014-02-13 03:28:11 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I can now drink Colombian coffee with a clear conscience.


Lol, it is in these hills that Juan Valdez and his trusty goat go looking for people to rape every morning.
 
2014-02-13 03:30:22 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: doglover: Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.
A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.

So, you want fast justice without safeguards, but at the same time you want safeguards and contemplation.  Do you want to win prizes by watching, too?


Faster is not the same as summary. Also, those who I would condemn to death would be those who are unquestionably guilty. If I were running the prisons, the people IN prison on death row would be few and freakin' monsters. Everyone else would get the bennefit of the doubt, and for non violent stuff second chances galore.

I live in Japan now. Japan has much less crime than the US. Part of that is Japan has a LOT less laws you can break. Brothels are illegal, but manage to operate next to police stations by bending the law. Drinking in public isn't just legal, it's encouraged in some seasons. But Japan has more rules than the US. Why not more laws? Most mores are left to people to deal with privately.

The US could use that philosophy.
 
2014-02-13 03:31:27 AM  

phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.


I know you're trolling, but how do you know he's a homosexual? Pedophilia exists seperately from sexual orientation (Hince how Jerry Sandusky was able to rape male children all day long, and then bone his wife), or in lieu of an adult sexual orientation.
 
2014-02-13 03:37:24 AM  

doglover: Bomb Head Mohammed: doglover: Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.
A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.

So, you want fast justice without safeguards, but at the same time you want safeguards and contemplation.  Do you want to win prizes by watching, too?

Faster is not the same as summary. Also, those who I would condemn to death would be those who are unquestionably guilty. If I were running the prisons, the people IN prison on death row would be few and freakin' monsters. Everyone else would get the bennefit of the doubt, and for non violent stuff second chances galore.

I live in Japan now. Japan has much less crime than the US. Part of that is Japan has a LOT less laws you can break. Brothels are illegal, but manage to operate next to police stations by bending the law. Drinking in public isn't just legal, it's encouraged in some seasons. But Japan has more rules than the US. Why not more laws? Most mores are left to people to deal with privately.

The US could use that philosophy.


frkkin' A. I just a few hours ago had a discussion with my dad. He was freaked out because Holder apparently wants to let ex-cons vote. I pointed out to him that the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world, which isn't a great track record for the "land of the free". He chose to end the discussion early. Whatever, he brought it up.
 
2014-02-13 03:52:08 AM  
Wow, 20 years of appeals and there could have been another round but it was denied?

What the hell, Florida, do your prosecutors take 5-year coffee breaks or something?  Even with 4-5 mandatory appeals and a couple technical ones you should be looking at a decade between charges and carrying out the sentence, tops.
 
2014-02-13 04:36:51 AM  

hardinparamedic: phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.

I know you're trolling, but how do you know he's a homosexual? Pedophilia exists seperately from sexual orientation (Hince how Jerry Sandusky was able to rape male children all day long, and then bone his wife), or in lieu of an adult sexual orientation.


Many chomos molest children of both genders - it's about power, not what people like us think of as "sex".
 
2014-02-13 04:44:57 AM  

jso2897: hardinparamedic: phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.

I know you're trolling, but how do you know he's a homosexual? Pedophilia exists seperately from sexual orientation (Hince how Jerry Sandusky was able to rape male children all day long, and then bone his wife), or in lieu of an adult sexual orientation.

Many chomos molest children of both genders - it's about power, not what people like us think of as "sex".


Not "chomos", child,molesters molest boys and girls alike. It's not a gay or straight thing, and while it may sometimes be about power, it's usually just a paraphilia.
 
2014-02-13 04:45:36 AM  

jso2897: Many chomos molest children of both genders - it's about power, not what people like us think of as "sex".


You're thinking along the lines of rape - which IS about power and control, and less about sex.

Actual pedophiles don't see what they are doing as rape, they see it as "loving" that child. Even though the child didn't give vocal consent, or is not even of an age where they COULD consent, something made them KNOW the child wanted them - body language, or even a smile.

To them, it's not about power. It's about giving the child what their twisted mind thinks the child wants.
 
2014-02-13 04:53:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: jso2897: Many chomos molest children of both genders - it's about power, not what people like us think of as "sex".

You're thinking along the lines of rape - which IS about power and control, and less about sex.

Actual pedophiles don't see what they are doing as rape, they see it as "loving" that child. Even though the child didn't give vocal consent, or is not even of an age where they COULD consent, something made them KNOW the child wanted them - body language, or even a smile.

To them, it's not about power. It's about giving the child what their twisted mind thinks the child wants.


Bullshiat, it's about giving themselves what their twisted minds want.
 
2014-02-13 05:06:56 AM  

Abacus9: Bullshiat, it's about giving themselves what their twisted minds want.


It's actually both. They are hardwired from before birth to see children in their age of attraction range in a sexual light. It is, quite literally, a third and pathological sexual orientation that exists BEYOND the standard ASOs of heterosexuality and variants.

While some people MAY be set off by abuse themselves, or may have developed pedophilic tendancies as a result of abuse, many were that way from the day their brain structure developed in utero, if current research is to be believed.

This is what makes it so difficult to treat them. Castration does nothing to prevent recidivism in those who have acted on their desires. Aversion therapy has a lifetime of about six months. And research into the topic is difficult, because those that know they feel that way and want help are ostracised the moment they seek it.

Until we have a way to rewire the brain, there is no way to stop pedo from being a pedo. However, stranger cases like this - especially where they abduct and murder a child are rare. Typically, it's someone close to the child, or even the child's parents or a trusted member of the community, like a priest or teacher.
 
2014-02-13 05:13:39 AM  

doglover: Bomb Head Mohammed: doglover: Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.
A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.

So, you want fast justice without safeguards, but at the same time you want safeguards and contemplation.  Do you want to win prizes by watching, too?

Faster is not the same as summary. Also, those who I would condemn to death would be those who are unquestionably guilty. If I were running the prisons, the people IN prison on death row would be few and freakin' monsters. Everyone else would get the bennefit of the doubt, and for non violent stuff second chances galore.

I live in Japan now. Japan has much less crime than the US. Part of that is Japan has a LOT less laws you can break. Brothels are illegal, but manage to operate next to police stations by bending the law. Drinking in public isn't just legal, it's encouraged in some seasons. But Japan has more rules than the US. Why not more laws? Most mores are left to people to deal with privately.

The US could use that philosophy.


Japanese culture is... so entirely different from American culture. What works there will not work here, for many reasons including the one you bring up. Shaming works there. Here, no one cares.
 
2014-02-13 05:15:20 AM  

hardinparamedic: Abacus9: Bullshiat, it's about giving themselves what their twisted minds want.

It's actually both. They are hardwired from before birth to see children in their age of attraction range in a sexual light. It is, quite literally, a third and pathological sexual orientation that exists BEYOND the standard ASOs of heterosexuality and variants.

While some people MAY be set off by abuse themselves, or may have developed pedophilic tendancies as a result of abuse, many were that way from the day their brain structure developed in utero, if current research is to be believed.

This is what makes it so difficult to treat them. Castration does nothing to prevent recidivism in those who have acted on their desires. Aversion therapy has a lifetime of about six months. And research into the topic is difficult, because those that know they feel that way and want help are ostracised the moment they seek it.

Until we have a way to rewire the brain, there is no way to stop pedo from being a pedo. However, stranger cases like this - especially where they abduct and murder a child are rare. Typically, it's someone close to the child, or even the child's parents or a trusted member of the community, like a priest or teacher.


That's all probably very true, and very depressing.
Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-02-13 05:22:32 AM  

hardinparamedic: Abacus9: Bullshiat, it's about giving themselves what their twisted minds want.

It's actually both. They are hardwired from before birth to see children in their age of attraction range in a sexual light. It is, quite literally, a third and pathological sexual orientation that exists BEYOND the standard ASOs of heterosexuality and variants.

While some people MAY be set off by abuse themselves, or may have developed pedophilic tendancies as a result of abuse, many were that way from the day their brain structure developed in utero, if current research is to be believed.

This is what makes it so difficult to treat them. Castration does nothing to prevent recidivism in those who have acted on their desires. Aversion therapy has a lifetime of about six months. And research into the topic is difficult, because those that know they feel that way and want help are ostracised the moment they seek it.

Until we have a way to rewire the brain, there is no way to stop pedo from being a pedo. However, stranger cases like this - especially where they abduct and murder a child are rare. Typically, it's someone close to the child, or even the child's parents or a trusted member of the community, like a priest or teacher.


There's always lethal injection therapy for offenders, and lifetime psych hospital and/or lobotomy for the rest.
 
2014-02-13 05:25:24 AM  

Abacus9: There's always lethal injection therapy for offenders, and lifetime psych hospital and/or lobotomy for the rest.


You may have a point here. If it's incurable and completely unacceptable, it's probably the only workable one.

If they can be treated, however, that would be better.
 
2014-02-13 05:29:40 AM  

Boojum2k: Abacus9: There's always lethal injection therapy for offenders, and lifetime psych hospital and/or lobotomy for the rest.

You may have a point here. If it's incurable and completely unacceptable, it's probably the only workable one.

If they can be treated, however, that would be better.


Absolutely. I'm all for rehabilitation if possible, but only if they haven't yet hurt anyone. But it doesn't seem likely to work in most cases.
 
2014-02-13 05:39:29 AM  

parahaps: doglover: Bomb Head Mohammed: doglover: Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.
A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.

So, you want fast justice without safeguards, but at the same time you want safeguards and contemplation.  Do you want to win prizes by watching, too?

Faster is not the same as summary. Also, those who I would condemn to death would be those who are unquestionably guilty. If I were running the prisons, the people IN prison on death row would be few and freakin' monsters. Everyone else would get the bennefit of the doubt, and for non violent stuff second chances galore.

I live in Japan now. Japan has much less crime than the US. Part of that is Japan has a LOT less laws you can break. Brothels are illegal, but manage to operate next to police stations by bending the law. Drinking in public isn't just legal, it's encouraged in some seasons. But Japan has more rules than the US. Why not more laws? Most mores are left to people to deal with privately.

The US could use that philosophy.

Japanese culture is... so entirely different from American culture. What works there will not work here, for many reasons including the one you bring up. Shaming works there. Here, no one cares.


Orientalism much?

Tell me how the heathen Chinee eats rats and dog meat.
 
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2014-02-13 05:41:09 AM  
I see the FLORIDA tag trumps the SAD tag?
 
2014-02-13 05:48:04 AM  
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RIP CHAVITO - you sick basterd
 
2014-02-13 06:09:34 AM  

hej: I see the FLORIDA tag trumps the SAD tag?


I guess it can be seen as sad all around, but zapping some freak that hurts kids doesn't exactly make me wanna cry.
 
2014-02-13 06:17:40 AM  

Abacus9: hej: I see the FLORIDA tag trumps the SAD tag?

I guess it can be seen as sad all around, but zapping some freak that hurts kids doesn't exactly make me wanna cry.


I would have accepted "spiffy" but probably groaned over "cool"
 
2014-02-13 06:20:29 AM  

Boojum2k: hardinparamedic: Abacus9: Yes, unless he comes back to get you in your dreams.

That's when you dream that you're a bad ass with a .45 M1911.

H&K .45 USP, 12 rounds over 8 :)


Springfield XDS .45, only 6 rounds but highly concealable.
 
2014-02-13 06:22:59 AM  

johncb76006: Springfield XDS .45, only 6 rounds but highly concealable.


If I have an undead pedo chasing me in my dreams, I want him to see my handgun and feel an even dozen rounds.

Otherwise, hmm, might have to take a look at that one.
 
2014-02-13 06:55:40 AM  

hardinparamedic: phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.

I know you're trolling, but how do you know he's a homosexual? Pedophilia exists seperately from sexual orientation (Hince how Jerry Sandusky was able to rape male children all day long, and then bone his wife), or in lieu of an adult sexual orientation.


So are you saying that all these men that got married and had children only to later divorce and 'come out of the closet' are actually pedophiles?

/I buy that.
 
2014-02-13 07:52:37 AM  

Bucky Katt: No, not in my name.


I guara-damn-tee Jimmy's parents imagined hearing his screams as their child was raped; they hear his screams and feel his terror every farking day of their lives and well into their dreams.  Unless you have children, you cannot fathom the abyss of horror parents go through when something of this caliber happens to their child.  Trust me, Jimmy's parents have been in hell since the first moment they were notified of his abduction.  Chavez's (comparable) very gentle and humane execution brings only a tiny drop of relief to their lives.

While I respect your misguided philosophy, as a mother knowing the dangers of evil people out there I can only echo Grumpy Cat and say, "Good!"
 
2014-02-13 08:14:45 AM  
See?

When something is broken, you throw it away.

Now, wasn't that  simple?

Next.
 
2014-02-13 08:18:10 AM  

Spanky McStupid: Bucky Katt: No, not in my name.

I guara-damn-tee Jimmy's parents imagined hearing his screams as their child was raped; they hear his screams and feel his terror every farking day of their lives and well into their dreams.  Unless you have children, you cannot fathom the abyss of horror parents go through when something of this caliber happens to their child.  Trust me, Jimmy's parents have been in hell since the first moment they were notified of his abduction.  Chavez's (comparable) very gentle and humane execution brings only a tiny drop of relief to their lives.

While I respect your misguided philosophy, as a mother knowing the dangers of evil people out there I can only echo Grumpy Cat and say, "Good!"


Yeah, there was some poetic justice to this one too.
 
2014-02-13 08:35:30 AM  
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RIP Chavs
 
2014-02-13 08:35:39 AM  

doglover: Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.

A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.

Also, if you're from the other thread, notice this monster wasn't caught in a sting. These are the criminals police detectives should be hunting 24/7. No stings or vice crime.


Because we all know that the justice system never makes mistakes and condemns innocent people.
 
2014-02-13 08:49:26 AM  
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RIP Chavez.
 
2014-02-13 09:01:41 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: doglover: Holy shiat. 1995 crime punished in 2014?

I had a friend in High School who only lived to 16. This guy was "condemned" the length of my friend's entire life. (Pro Tip: Don't try and beat the train at the Xing)

We really need judicial reform. If you should be executed, you should be. Boom, done. Look at how fast we iced the OK City bombers. That should be the norm, if not a little slow. That said, pretty much EVERY conviction in the US is at least a little suspect. System's all ferked erp. So they need to be reviewed.

A third party, out of state review board of some sort might help sort the Charlie Mansons from the falsely imprisoned.

Also, if you're from the other thread, notice this monster wasn't caught in a sting. These are the criminals police detectives should be hunting 24/7. No stings or vice crime.

Because we all know that the justice system never makes mistakes and condemns innocent people.


Actually, that's almost true. Usually they condemn the innocent on purpose.

Hence, we need third party review for ALL execution sentences. But in cases like this where the guy did it enough to convince everyone at all levels and even led cops to the body? No kill the farker .
 
2014-02-13 09:07:00 AM  
I really do want death penalty reform. No capital punishment for any crime comitted under 18. No capital punishment where the evidence is soley circumstantial, or based upon the testimony of only one to two eye witnesses without supporting physicsal evidence.No capital punishment when the individual was diagnosed, at the time of the crime, with a substantial mental illness that impeded judgement (and other common, already in place standards, simply spelled out and reinforced).  A uniform standard for death penalty conbvictions should be mandated (jury, and  at least a 3/4th requireent, or whatever. not unanimous, that makes it too easy for an anti-DP fanatic to lie and then get on the jury and deny the deserved punishment).

That said, no appeal has a reason to take more than two years. Hire more judhes fpr an exclusive death penalty appeals court at the federal level that automatically revues every death penalty case--all of them are considered appealed. (This  would take a constitutional amendment).  Deny most defense extension requests for 'schedule conflicts' as these are mainly time wasters.  They can move their other cases. Same thign for defense witness availability, where they make sure a key witness is sick, or has a sick second coiusing with a bad bunion or some thig liek that.  You just had the trial, the materials can't be that far.  Defense attorneys whose clients file inadequate assistance of counsel appeals (and that are granted) should face the loss of their license to practicce law, or a mandatory bar not allowing them to defend in capital punishment cases sense they have proven their incompetence.

Speed up the process, which would vastly reduce the costs.  with a stronger standard, and quicker, but fair appeals process, we can then open up more crimes that are deservign of the death penalty: serial rapists, aggravated molestation of children, or large scale drug distribution.

We need to be killing far more criminals than we do, but the process needs to be uniform, and the protections and requirements strengthened and made universal.
 
2014-02-13 09:12:41 AM  

incrdbil: Speed up the process, which would vastly reduce the costs. with a stronger standard, and quicker, but fair appeals process, we can then open up more crimes that are deservign of the death penalty: serial rapists, aggravated molestation of children, or large scale drug distribution.


No, drug distribution is not a capital offense. It shouldn't even be illegal.
 
2014-02-13 10:00:15 AM  

Madbassist1: Spanky McStupid: Bucky Katt: No, not in my name.

I guara-damn-tee Jimmy's parents imagined hearing his screams as their child was raped; they hear his screams and feel his terror every farking day of their lives and well into their dreams.  Unless you have children, you cannot fathom the abyss of horror parents go through when something of this caliber happens to their child.  Trust me, Jimmy's parents have been in hell since the first moment they were notified of his abduction.  Chavez's (comparable) very gentle and humane execution brings only a tiny drop of relief to their lives.

While I respect your misguided philosophy, as a mother knowing the dangers of evil people out there I can only echo Grumpy Cat and say, "Good!"

Yeah, there was some poetic justice to this one too.


Oh, my.  You have to dig for it, but that dude died of ass cancer in prison.  If only they all could go that way.
 
2014-02-13 10:06:06 AM  
Revenge alone is sufficient justification for an execution.
Revenge is a normal and natural human emotion.
Babies understand revenge before they can walk.
Revenge is one of the primary purposes of government.
Long ago wise men recognized that vengeance dished out by the victim was error-prone and wildly inconsistent.
Revenge dished out by the government comparatively emotionless, precise and consistent.
What we saw last night in Florida was professional-grade revenge.
Revenge is not a dirty word.
 
2014-02-13 10:23:47 AM  

incrdbil: No capital punishment when the individual was diagnosed, at the time of the crime, with a substantial mental illness that impeded judgement (and other common, already in place standards, simply spelled out and reinforced).


Bad idea.  If a human is so brain damaged or retarded that we could even consider your proposal then that person is not really a "person" in the normal sense of the word.  Do you remember Teri Schiavo?  Do you remember that brain-dead pregnant woman in Dallas where they had to go to court to unplug her life support because the hospital wanted to "save" her severely disfigured fetus?  It is exactly the same thing with a severely retarded human that we might consider them not-culpable for murder.  A human like that is an animal, not a person.  We put dangerous animals down.  We should do the same for the severely retarded killers.  Mental retardation should be increase one's eligibility for execution.  A non-retarded killer might "get better" but a human without a functioning brain will never get better and keeping them in prison is cruel just like keeping a dog in a cage.
 
2014-02-13 10:32:39 AM  
""People will not forget, they will not forgive," Ryce said. "We will hunt you down and we will put you to death.""

And so far this hasn't stopped anyone who would rape and kill a child. They simply don't care about the consequences. If they did care, they'd never do it. Kill the farkers, yes, but don't expect that this will change the nature other sickos.
 
2014-02-13 10:44:31 AM  

JackieRabbit: And so far this hasn't stopped anyone who would rape and kill a child.


Maybe not the first time, but I guarantee Juan Carlos Chavez won't hurt another child.

Ever.
 
2014-02-13 10:46:05 AM  

doglover: Okay. The family who hired Chavez found a handgun missing. The mother consulted with a psychic (ie talked to a cold reader who told her what she wanted to hear), then she hired a locksmith to open Chavez's trailer where the stolen goods and backpack of Jimmy's were. At least, according to wikipedia.


I'm seriously torn on this issue,  My need to protect the rights of people especially against illegal searches based on no evidence is getting outweighed by the fact that this man really really needed to die.
 
2014-02-13 10:49:29 AM  
Large scale drug distribution (in the millions) for dangerous controlled substances (not marijuana, I'm talking cocaine, heroin, meth) is enough criminal activity to justify capital punishment.
 
2014-02-13 10:52:01 AM  

Warlordtrooper: doglover: Okay. The family who hired Chavez found a handgun missing. The mother consulted with a psychic (ie talked to a cold reader who told her what she wanted to hear), then she hired a locksmith to open Chavez's trailer where the stolen goods and backpack of Jimmy's were. At least, according to wikipedia.

I'm seriously torn on this issue,  My need to protect the rights of people especially against illegal searches based on no evidence is getting outweighed by the fact that this man really really needed to die.


The restriction is agaist illegal searches by the police.  I'm perfectly fine with how this sotry allegedly went down.
 
2014-02-13 11:00:09 AM  

Warlordtrooper: My need to protect the rights of people especially against illegal searches


It was a private search.

Immoral and illegal, yes. But it wasn't the cops doing it. So it's fair game as evidence because what are the chances that a simple first time B&E on one's own property would discover evidence of pedophilic rape and murder? She did a bad thing, found evidence of a much worse thing, and that fulfilled the requirements of the 4th amendment so that an official discovery of the evidence took place. She might have even been charged with a crime. I doubt it, but you never know.

Not heroic, but chaotic good.
 
2014-02-13 11:41:03 AM  
In Texas, evidence obtained illegally is excluded, PERIOD.  It doesn't matter if it was a private search or conducted by law enforcement... if the search was illegal the evidence doesn't come in unless you can get it in under some other rule of evidence or you can hit an exception... for example, a dead body in an apartment might come in under the inevitable discovery exception since a dead body would eventually begin to stink so bad that it would be smelled by other tenants in the complex, by the maintenance man that lets himself in once per month to change the A/C filter or by the bug exterminator that lets himself in every 6 months to spray for roaches.
 
2014-02-13 12:49:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: phunkey_monkey: Good!!!

Hell is the only place for a homosexual pedophile.

I know you're trolling, but how do you know he's a homosexual? Pedophilia exists seperately from sexual orientation (Hince how Jerry Sandusky was able to rape male children all day long, and then bone his wife), or in lieu of an adult sexual orientation.


He was male.  His victim was male.  That's what makes him a homosexual.  He didn't deserve the death penalty for being homosexual.  He deserved the penalty for raping and killing a kid.
 
2014-02-13 02:02:12 PM  

doglover: Warlordtrooper: My need to protect the rights of people especially against illegal searches

It was a private search.

Immoral and illegal, yes. But it wasn't the cops doing it. So it's fair game as evidence because what are the chances that a simple first time B&E on one's own property would discover evidence of pedophilic rape and murder? She did a bad thing, found evidence of a much worse thing, and that fulfilled the requirements of the 4th amendment so that an official discovery of the evidence took place. She might have even been charged with a crime. I doubt it, but you never know.

Not heroic, but chaotic good.


Which is why I'm leaning toward its OK that this person was killed.  I don't think everyone on death row deserves to die but some people do and this monster is one of them.

But now we are talking about letter of the law vs Intent of the law.  I would feel better if this guy was killed AND the woman was given a token jail sentence for breaking and entering.  Just because good comes out of the result of your actions doesn't mean society can tolerate whatever actions you want to take.  Just because her crime discovered evidence that led this guy to get the death penalty doesn't mean she shouldn't be held accountable for her illegal actions as well.
 
2014-02-13 03:12:09 PM  
FTFA: Chavez, after a marathon police interrogation, confessed to raping him and shooting the boy in the back as he tried to escape.

hardinparamedic: Being advised of his rights and after a 55-hour-long interrogation, Chavez openly admitted to abducting, raping and murdering Jimmy.


I don't know anything about this case, but if the above is true then I don't trust any of the evidence against this guy. What I see is over-zealous police determined to make this poor bastard confess, whatever the reality might have been. A 55 hour long interrogation by police is just as heinous as shooting a kid in the back.
 
2014-02-13 03:38:56 PM  
I wouldn't be so quick to go killing people, things are not always what they seem.
 
2014-02-13 04:00:51 PM  

Mirandized: FTFA: Chavez, after a marathon police interrogation, confessed to raping him and shooting the boy in the back as he tried to escape.

hardinparamedic: Being advised of his rights and after a 55-hour-long interrogation, Chavez openly admitted to abducting, raping and murdering Jimmy.

I don't know anything about this case, but if the above is true then I don't trust any of the evidence against this guy. What I see is over-zealous police determined to make this poor bastard confess, whatever the reality might have been. A 55 hour long interrogation by police is just as heinous as shooting a kid in the back.

Also cut and paste from hardinparamedic:  Being advised of his rights and after a 55-hour-long interrogation, Chavez openly admitted to abducting, raping and murdering Jimmy. Chavez also led police to the boy's body, which was dismembered and hidden in cement in three plastic planters.

 
2014-02-13 04:56:11 PM  

PaLarkin: He was male.  His victim was male.  That's what makes him a homosexual.  He didn't deserve the death penalty for being homosexual.  He deserved the penalty for raping and killing a kid.


No. It makes him a pedophile.

Adult sexual orientation has nothing to do with pedophilia. The only people who would seek to equate homosexuality with pedophilia, even in a case like this, are those who have an alternate agenda.
 
2014-02-13 05:04:49 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: I wouldn't be so quick to go killing people, things are not always what they seem.


No one's quick to go killing people, but when they lead you to the dismembered body of a 9 year old they shot in the back hidden in blocks of cement after months of fruitless searches haven't found anything? Go ahead and plug in Ol' Sparky.
 
2014-02-13 05:10:39 PM  

hardinparamedic: PaLarkin: He was male.  His victim was male.  That's what makes him a homosexual.  He didn't deserve the death penalty for being homosexual.  He deserved the penalty for raping and killing a kid.

No. It makes him a pedophile.

Adult sexual orientation has nothing to do with pedophilia. The only people who would seek to equate homosexuality with pedophilia, even in a case like this, are those who have an alternate agenda.


He raped a boy.  That makes him a pedophile.  The fact his rape of the boy is a homosexual act makes him a homosexual pedophile.  If he had raped a girl, he would be a heterosexual pedophile.  If he had raped one of each, he would have been a bisexual pedophile.  Calling him a homosexual pedophile is a statement of the facts.  I did not try to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.  You're the one that brought up that notion.
 
2014-02-13 05:49:08 PM  

PaLarkin: He raped a boy.  That makes him a pedophile.  The fact his rape of the boy is a homosexual act makes him a homosexual pedophile.  If he had raped a girl, he would be a heterosexual pedophile.  If he had raped one of each, he would have been a bisexual pedophile.  Calling him a homosexual pedophile is a statement of the facts.  I did not try to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.  You're the one that brought up that notion.


No. It's not. It's a statement of your own lack of knowledge on the topic.

Here. Allow me to enlist the help of Garrett Morris, from the New York School for the Hard of hearing, to help you.

jaydeanhcr.files.wordpress.com

PEDOPHILIA EXISTS SEPARATELY FROM HETEROSEXUALITY, BISEXUALITY, OR HOMOSEXUALITY. YOUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION DOES NOT GIVE YOU CARTE BLANCHE TO MAKE AN OFFENSIVE COMPARISON THAT FOR DECADES HAS BEEN USED TO SHAME AND VILIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HETEROSEXUAL.

There. Do you even begin to understand now?

Not only are you factually incorrect, you're continuing to perpetuate the stereotype that someone molests children because of, or even in the same gender, as they are attracted to as an adult. The reason this is not a good thing is not just because it perpetuates fear and ignorance, it makes those who actually do prey on children that much harder to scope out.
 
2014-02-13 08:13:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: PaLarkin: He raped a boy.  That makes him a pedophile.  The fact his rape of the boy is a homosexual act makes him a homosexual pedophile.  If he had raped a girl, he would be a heterosexual pedophile.  If he had raped one of each, he would have been a bisexual pedophile.  Calling him a homosexual pedophile is a statement of the facts.  I did not try to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.  You're the one that brought up that notion.

No. It's not. It's a statement of your own lack of knowledge on the topic.

Here. Allow me to enlist the help of Garrett Morris, from the New York School for the Hard of hearing, to help you.

[jaydeanhcr.files.wordpress.com image 300x225]

PEDOPHILIA EXISTS SEPARATELY FROM HETEROSEXUALITY, BISEXUALITY, OR HOMOSEXUALITY. YOUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION DOES NOT GIVE YOU CARTE BLANCHE TO MAKE AN OFFENSIVE COMPARISON THAT FOR DECADES HAS BEEN USED TO SHAME AND VILIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HETEROSEXUAL.

There. Do you even begin to understand now?

Not only are you factually incorrect, you're continuing to perpetuate the stereotype that someone molests children because of, or even in the same gender, as they are attracted to as an adult. The reason this is not a good thing is not just because it perpetuates fear and ignorance, it makes those who actually do prey on children that much harder to scope out.


That he did it to a child makes him a pedophile.  The fact the child was male makes it a homosexual act.  The criminal was male and so was his victim.
 
2014-02-14 12:58:25 AM  

PaLarkin: The fact the child was male makes it a homosexual act.  The criminal was male and so was his victim.


No, it makes it a pedophilic act. Key word there is child.When dealing with sexual predators, the gender of the victim is irrelevant. It's not the gender he/she is attracted to, it's the body type and structure of the age of attraction that pedophile has - which are often times androgenous and poorly differentiated by secondary sexual characteristics which develop at puberty.

Referring to them as "homosexual" or "hetereosexual", for that matter, is patently misleading.
 
2014-02-14 01:04:24 AM  

PaLarkin: hardinparamedic: PaLarkin: He raped a boy.  That makes him a pedophile.  The fact his rape of the boy is a homosexual act makes him a homosexual pedophile.  If he had raped a girl, he would be a heterosexual pedophile.  If he had raped one of each, he would have been a bisexual pedophile.  Calling him a homosexual pedophile is a statement of the facts.  I did not try to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.  You're the one that brought up that notion.

No. It's not. It's a statement of your own lack of knowledge on the topic.

Here. Allow me to enlist the help of Garrett Morris, from the New York School for the Hard of hearing, to help you.

[jaydeanhcr.files.wordpress.com image 300x225]

PEDOPHILIA EXISTS SEPARATELY FROM HETEROSEXUALITY, BISEXUALITY, OR HOMOSEXUALITY. YOUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION DOES NOT GIVE YOU CARTE BLANCHE TO MAKE AN OFFENSIVE COMPARISON THAT FOR DECADES HAS BEEN USED TO SHAME AND VILIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HETEROSEXUAL.

There. Do you even begin to understand now?

Not only are you factually incorrect, you're continuing to perpetuate the stereotype that someone molests children because of, or even in the same gender, as they are attracted to as an adult. The reason this is not a good thing is not just because it perpetuates fear and ignorance, it makes those who actually do prey on children that much harder to scope out.

That he did it to a child makes him a pedophile.  The fact the child was male makes it a homosexual act.  The criminal was male and so was his victim.


You didn't go to college or ever take a psych class in high school, did you?
 
2014-02-14 01:12:55 AM  

Abacus9: You didn't go to college or ever take a psych class in high school, did you?


I have a feeling he's getting his "facts" from such expert groups as the Family Research Council and the American Family Association.

The "gay pedophile" panic is something they like to promote.
 
2014-02-14 01:39:52 AM  

hardinparamedic: Abacus9: You didn't go to college or ever take a psych class in high school, did you?

I have a feeling he's getting his "facts" from such expert groups as the Family Research Council and the American Family Association.

The "gay pedophile" panic is something they like to promote.


If they really cared about the children, it wouldn't matter if the pedophile was gay. Unless they only care about boys, which is kinda gay (bad joke). They're equating homosexuality with pedophilia in an effort to make gay guys look like their dangerous to children. It's an agenda. I grew up under this "philosophy".
 
2014-02-14 06:04:39 AM  

Abacus9: If they really cared about the children, it wouldn't matter if the pedophile was gay. Unless they only care about boys, which is kinda gay (bad joke). They're equating homosexuality with pedophilia in an effort to make gay guys look like their dangerous to children. It's an agenda. I grew up under this "philosophy".


Preaching to the Choir here, Brother Abacus.

My grandmother was a sane and rational person until her husband died, and she got into Fundamentalist Christianity afterwords. She honestly believes the "gay pedophile" tripe that they pass off.

She actually told me to make sure no kids came over to my house with our friends because my room mate was a lesbian.
 
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