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(New York Daily News)   "I stopped counting after I killed my 800th person; it just seemed tedious and lost its charm. The counting, not the killing," admits Mexican hit man during trial of his former employer, a drug czar   (nydailynews.com) divider line 84
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2014-02-13 05:47:44 AM

proteus_b: lucksi: Why was the guy extradited to the US? Did he kill all those people in the US?

He violated US laws by trafficking drugs into the US, and let's be honest, if he's a high-value prisoner, he's not only safer in the US, he's less likely to be sprung.


Ah, that makes total sense to ship off a guy who commited 800+ murders in their own country to another country for a drug charge.
 
2014-02-13 06:04:13 AM

DrPainMD: One of the rules of war is that you must declare war. We haven't. Why? Because there is no casus belli. Traveling half-way around the world to invade and occupy countries that have done nothing to you is an act of aggression under all laws and rules of war. Those who participate in wars of aggression are not heroes; they are better compared to Nazis.


When making claims, it's best to not make those that are so easily disproven with a five second google search.
 
2014-02-13 06:11:13 AM
Lmao at all the people that believe he actually killed that many people. Claiming 1/4 of 9/11's total deaths hahaha oh boy they say alot of bull shiat when they get caught. The only thing he has to do with the number 800 is how many times he is going to get stabbed
 
2014-02-13 06:22:05 AM

hardinparamedic: DrPainMD: One of the rules of war is that you must declare war. We haven't. Why? Because there is no casus belli. Traveling half-way around the world to invade and occupy countries that have done nothing to you is an act of aggression under all laws and rules of war. Those who participate in wars of aggression are not heroes; they are better compared to Nazis.

When making claims, it's best to not make those that are so easily disproven with a five second google search.


Thank you for proving my point. There was no declaration of war. Nowhere in the constitution does it provide for any other method of waging war other than a declaration of war.
 
2014-02-13 06:22:07 AM

hardinparamedic: DrPainMD: One of the rules of war is that you must declare war. We haven't. Why? Because there is no casus belli. Traveling half-way around the world to invade and occupy countries that have done nothing to you is an act of aggression under all laws and rules of war. Those who participate in wars of aggression are not heroes; they are better compared to Nazis.

When making claims, it's best to not make those that are so easily disproven with a five second google search.


Oh, so the US authorised themselves to go to war in another country. That makes it alright then.
 
2014-02-13 06:29:29 AM

DrPainMD: Nowhere in the constitution does it provide for any other method of waging war other than a declaration of war.


The USSC has ruled that Congress using it's authority to authorize force is using it's war authority. Thanks for playing, buh-bye, here's a lovely parting gift.
 
2014-02-13 07:06:05 AM

lucksi: Oh, so the US authorised themselves to go to war in another country. That makes it alright then.


I was referring to his factually incorrect statement, not the morality of going to war.
 
2014-02-13 07:10:05 AM

hardinparamedic: lucksi: Oh, so the US authorised themselves to go to war in another country. That makes it alright then.

I was referring to his factually incorrect statement, not the morality of going to war.


When your factual corectness is nothing more than a link showing that the government says that it's OK for the government to do what the government decided to do, you fail. Or, we need to resurrect all those people we hanged and Nuremberg apologize to them.
 
2014-02-13 07:17:23 AM

DrPainMD: When your factual corectness is nothing more than a link showing that the government says that it's OK for the government to do what the government decided to do, you fail. Or, we need to resurrect all those people we hanged and Nuremberg apologize to them.


This was your original statement:

DrPainMD: One of the rules of war is that you must declare war. We haven't.


It was factually incorrect. Stop moving the goalposts to save face.
 
2014-02-13 07:18:53 AM

lucksi: Oh, so the US authorised themselves to go to war in another country. That makes it alright then.


That's what a declaration of war is.

We haven't actually used the words "declare war" in our declarations of war for I guess PR purposes for half a century or so, but that's what they are and what they're considered for the purposes of international law.  IIRC there's a supreme court decision declaring that the 'authorizations of force' are declarations of war from the standpoint of US law, too, from when someone tried to actually use the PR language literally in some legal case or other.
 
2014-02-13 07:20:06 AM

lucksi: Ah, that makes total sense to ship off a guy who commited 800+ murders in their own country to another country for a drug charge.


I guess you're unfamiliar with the history of Mexican prisons.
 
2014-02-13 07:38:56 AM

spmkk: Pfft. Amateur. This guy (warning: NSF any shred of faith in humanity you might have left) personally offed nearly 10x that number of people inside of a month.


Somehow I had missed learning about this guy when I was reading about Stalinist Russia. Thanks for the link; that was an interesting read.
 
2014-02-13 07:39:26 AM

Serious Black: This would be one of the very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY few people I would be comfortable with giving the death penalty.


So... there is a line.
 
2014-02-13 07:41:49 AM

spmkk: Pfft. Amateur. This guy (warning: NSF any shred of faith in humanity you might have left) personally offed nearly 10x that number of people inside of a month.


As a state executioner. You may not like what he did (neither do I), but it was technically legal.
 
2014-02-13 07:53:08 AM

proteus_b: No offense but I doubt any one hit-man killed 800 people. Not saying it's impossible, but it seems unlikely. Many of the people getting killed are in rival cartels---don't you think they shoot back?


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the vast majority of his victims -- by which I'd say at least 99% -- were NOT from rival cartels but part of enforcer work.  Workers not working fast enough, family members of those whose loyalty starts looking a little flaky, random domestic terrorism to show the locals who's boss.  Unarmed and non-violent victims, with no regards to gender or age.  Probably raped and tortured a good lot of them because A) it's part of the job, and B) it's not like there's a conscience to break up the tedium.  At some points probably rounded a bunch of people into cargo containers and cooked them alive or whatever the hell else these people do to make killing more efficient.  As you say, it's rather hard to kill 800 people if they fight back (unless you're Simo Häyhä).  But 800 screaming and begging for mercy?  3 a day and you could do that in a year even with some days off.

proteus_b: I guess you're unfamiliar with the history of Mexican prisons.


No but I've been to a Turkish one.  Or was that Penn State?
 
2014-02-13 08:17:38 AM

hardinparamedic: AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile, the Navy Seals and Army Rangers are considered heroes.

Perspective is an interesting thing.

Murdering civilians is totally similar to killing terrorist fighters in a declared conflict in accordance with the laws and rules of war.


If thats what you want to belive. Not saying this guy aint a big POS. Just saying you shouldn't belive the government line on farking anything.
 
2014-02-13 08:28:22 AM
Thank the batfe and DEA for every last one of his killings.

Not that they don't already have a far higher death count already.
 
2014-02-13 08:35:24 AM

hardinparamedic: doglover: But clearly there's some justification for keeping drugs illegal.

Unfortunately, the Cartels are terrorist organizations. Decriminalization is only going to be a part of it. TBQH, I wouldn't be surprised if they made overt moves against their respective Governments if the drug profiteering was taken away.

Even if we blanketly legalized every drug in the United States for recreational use, there is no other way this ends other than in violence.


Blanketly is not a word. If you legalize marijuana you directly take away criminals ability to make money from the sale, production and distribution of said drugs. Look at other countries who have legalized drugs. The crime rate gone drastically down in Portugal, take away the cartels ability to make money and you 'starve the beast' they don't have money to pay the people to do their dirty business, and that includes paying your hitman (they ain't cheap).
 
2014-02-13 08:46:01 AM
Annual Performance Review

Employee: Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo
Career: Mid Level Assassin (Central Region)

Professionalism: 90%
Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo is a professional assassin that has performed over 800 operations. He is well liked by his colleagues and can be called upon to perform extra killings when required.

Appearance: 90%
Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo is often covered in blood because of his job requirements but he attempts to clean himself up whenever possible and portray the organization in a positive light. If he is returning to the office to catch up on paperwork and he has blood or brain parts on his person, he uses the employee entrance as to not offend potential customers or business associates. On his "Non Kill" days, he dresses professionally and reflect positively the business culture that we have worked hard to present.

Education: 95%
Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo has continued to learn different ways to kill. He shows inventiveness in difficult situations; i. e. he once strangled a person when his weapon jammed. He is always reading about new killing methods. He is willing to share this knowledge with his co-workers and victims.

Attitude: 40%
Sadly, this is a minor setback for Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo. He no longer shows the zest for killing that he had in years prior. While he does the job, he is often morose about it as if killing didn't matter to him as much as it used to. We have implored him to take a vacation but he declines citing work and backlog. We hope that this is a minor setback for Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo and that he soon regains his enjoyment of killing.

Recommendations: Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo should continue in his present career path but given a lighter workload until his professional attitude improves. If possible, he should be given a challenge that allows him to rediscover his love for killing. Maybe blow up a busload of nuns. Something easy yet satisfying. At this time, we don't want to promote Jesus Ernesto Chavez Castillo but will review this option at a future date. We recommend a 4.3% raise and giving him an assigned parking spot at Corporate if one is available. If not, maybe he can kill someone who has an assigned spot. That would certainly put the brass back in to his bullets.

Please note that I do not have an assigned parking spot but Bob in Accounting does.
 
2014-02-13 08:49:01 AM

wildcardjack: Proof that turning a hobby into a job always ruins your hobby.


try and do what you love as a career...
 
2014-02-13 08:51:50 AM
Poor Bob in accounting.
 
2014-02-13 08:52:03 AM
He was a Dreamer. Or had a dream.

//  I think reefer should be legalised,and in fact other drugs too.

Maybe a camp or voluntary facility , where drug addicts can go and just get high in peace.
Sort of like an opium den of old.

This way, they're out of the productive public way. No B&E or shake down artists . Go to the barracks and get your addiction feed, no greater harm will come to either parties.

 Face it cheaper and less violent than a war on drugs.

You don't arrest cancer patients ? So if addiction is a disease treat it.

/
 
2014-02-13 08:57:46 AM

DrPainMD: spmkk: Pfft. Amateur. This guy (warning: NSF any shred of faith in humanity you might have left) personally offed nearly 10x that number of people inside of a month.

And this guy offed 10x that number in a matter of seconds.
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Blokhin literally pulled the trigger, with a .25 ACP pistol, up close and personal, one at a time, himself. Holy shiat.
 
2014-02-13 08:59:30 AM
I know this is overly simplistic, but it's sad that our neighbor is wracked by a virtual civil war, yet we send more troops and aid to places like Yemen and Afghanistan. Mexico's always been a little crazy, but it's also incredibly beautiful.  It's worth saving.

And using the violence in Mexico as justification for you to buy weed legally is ridiculous.  I'm pro-legalization, but it's not going to do shiat to the cartels.
 
2014-02-13 09:01:33 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Wow, I've never put any asshole on here on ignore, but one is getting damn close with his/her/it's stupidity.



Is it ironic that this comment got you put on my ignore list? 
I guess the truth hurts.  You think that because your government sanctions missile attacks that somehow it makes it more ethical than a hit man who kills someone face to face.  Sad, really.
 
2014-02-13 09:37:19 AM
About that 800 number.......BS
 
2014-02-13 09:40:12 AM

Serious Black: This would be one of the very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY few people I would be comfortable with giving the death penalty.


This.

media.nj.com

People who have no respect or love for counting should be put to death.
 
2014-02-13 09:58:21 AM

Turbo Cojones: About that 800 number.......BS


agreed. 800 numbers ran out years ago. Its probably 877.
 
2014-02-13 10:40:49 AM

hardinparamedic: At any rate, you're right about one thing, most of the people who are doing the ground-pounding for the Taliban and other terrorist groups such as Al Queda tend to be overtly poor, under-educated religious men who are enamored by the promise of support for their families.


Much like most volunteer armies, such as ours in the US.
 
2014-02-13 10:43:56 AM
In retrospect what he and other mexican cartels are doing/did is nothing compared to what their ancestor's (Aztec) handywork in terms of sheer terror and violence.
 
2014-02-13 10:46:32 AM
Hold on everybody. I need to make some popcorn.
 
2014-02-13 11:22:32 AM

optimistic_cynic: hardinparamedic: At any rate, you're right about one thing, most of the people who are doing the ground-pounding for the Taliban and other terrorist groups such as Al Queda tend to be overtly poor, under-educated religious men who are enamored by the promise of support for their families.

Much like most volunteer armies, such as ours in the US.


Yeah, except that the poorest quintile of American males is grossly underrepresented in our country.  And the richest quintile is overrepresented.  And education levels are equivalent.  But you kinda got the religious part right at least.  Actually sounds like you'd be a pretty good Al Qaeda candidate.
 
2014-02-13 11:26:11 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Meanwhile, the Navy Seals and Army Rangers are considered heroes.

Perspective is an interesting thing.


And what about the President who ordered them to kill, you asshole.

/Not all killings are murders, though all murders are killings.
 
2014-02-13 05:01:20 PM

RockofAges: left-libertarian


Ah, an idiot!
 
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