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2014-02-13 01:54:05 AM
Considering Swan is the president of ASCAP, it does not suprise me in the least.
 
2014-02-13 02:01:55 AM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-13 02:01:57 AM
Lots of actors get royalty checks for piddling amounts of money too.
 
2014-02-13 02:05:28 AM
Could be worse. They could have sent the check for 0.01$ and sent an invoice for the rest of the stamp.
 
2014-02-13 02:06:49 AM
The checks themselves surely cost more than the amount paid.
 
2014-02-13 02:13:31 AM

Yakivegas: Lots of actors get royalty checks for piddling amounts of money too.


Yep. I have a friend that had a supporting part in some Disney flick in the mid-90s. He still gets residual checks whenever it's on TV. Last check he mentioned was worth 85 cents.
 
2014-02-13 02:22:38 AM
Is it just me. Or does anyone else think it was a bad idea to post account numbers on the web?
 
2014-02-13 02:23:35 AM
Pay to the order of Ironballs McGinty: one dollar and nine cents!
 
2014-02-13 02:25:00 AM
According to the article, one million plays of some song got $17. How does that compare to a radio station.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/18/entertainment/la-et-arbitron -2 0100618  suggests a top rated LA station like KIIS has 4 million listeners per week or 1/2 million per day, maybe to get a million listeners hearing Money for Nothing they play it for a week twice a day.

How much would KIIS pay in royalties for that?
 
2014-02-13 02:32:19 AM
Isn't Pandora something that replaces radio? I was under the impression that artists received exactly zero dollars from radio stations for playing their songs. Am I missing something here?
 
2014-02-13 02:50:43 AM
Cool though that they mentioned Isis. Farking LOVE that band!
 
2014-02-13 02:53:02 AM
I was going to write a hit song tonight but I've decided to go through my sofa cushions instead. Seems more lucrative.
 
2014-02-13 03:02:51 AM
0.00001456034482758 cents per play. I imagine David is quite put out. In college we used to at least give Camper Van meat and beer.
 
2014-02-13 03:54:35 AM
Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.
 
2014-02-13 04:39:38 AM

Atomic Spunk: Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.


Totally. I'd imagine the thing that irks is not so much "woe is me", but rather, so who IS getting all the money from these record sales, for this thing we created?

It creates a sense that others are simply riding the coattails of a band's creativity and getting the financial benefits.

/could be wrong.
 
2014-02-13 04:40:08 AM

Atomic Spunk: Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.


Why don't you want musicians to eat? Do you hate them or something?
 
2014-02-13 05:03:52 AM

Atomic Spunk: Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.


Do you really think they should spend thousands of dollars on instruments, equipment, and a van to haul it all in out of the goodness of their hearts?
 
2014-02-13 06:07:57 AM

stoli n coke: Atomic Spunk: Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.

Do you really think they should spend thousands of dollars on instruments, equipment, and a van to haul it all in out of the goodness of their hearts?


One could also be on a mission from God.
 
2014-02-13 06:10:39 AM

T-Servo: stoli n coke: Atomic Spunk: Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.

Do you really think they should spend thousands of dollars on instruments, equipment, and a van to haul it all in out of the goodness of their hearts?

One could also be on a mission from God.



Yeah, but they got a deal. When they bought a piano from Ray's music exchange, he always threw in the black keys for free.
 
2014-02-13 06:30:26 AM
Wow, that page was so annoyingly formatted on my phone I almost threw it across the room. I'll read this article later on my desktop that everyone keeps telling me is obsolete.
 
2014-02-13 06:34:23 AM

Atomic Spunk: Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.


Nice.
 
2014-02-13 06:55:47 AM
OK, what about more popular people/songs?

Like what does Mark Knofler get for Money for Nothing?

And, what about the whole string of checks? Yeah, it is $.01 now but how many thousands was it on earlier checks?
Like how much has Money for Nothing brought in since it was released?
 
2014-02-13 07:07:23 AM

The_Philosopher_King: OK, what about more popular people/songs?

Like what does Mark Knofler get for Money for Nothing?

And, what about the whole string of checks? Yeah, it is $.01 now but how many thousands was it on earlier checks?
Like how much has Money for Nothing brought in since it was released?



Well, the album it was on sold 30 million copies worldwide, so, assuming he got, say, 3 and a half cents for each, he made a million bucks.  And that's not counting sales of the single and licensing for movies and TV.

He's gotten paid plenty for that song.
 
2014-02-13 07:12:35 AM
I had faith in the music industry?
 
2014-02-13 07:17:02 AM
Nothings working for them.....
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2014-02-13 07:27:47 AM

chetbango: I was under the impression that artists received exactly zero dollars from radio stations for playing their songs.


Last I heard the money flows the other way -- you have to PAY to get your music on the radio.

RedPhoenix122: I had faith in the music industry?


Exactly what I was thinking.
 
2014-02-13 07:40:08 AM

Atomic Spunk: Yeah, those checks were ridiculously small, but it doesn't matter. Music should be made for the love of the art rather than for financial benefit.


DIRTY PIRATE DETECTED
 
2014-02-13 07:42:07 AM

RedPhoenix122: I had faith in the music industry?


When industry was paying radios to play stuff you like?
 
mhd
2014-02-13 07:51:04 AM

The_Philosopher_King: OK, what about more popular people/songs?


Sting (and only Sting) still gets money every time either the Police version of "Every Breath You Take" or the P Diddelidoo ripoff gets played on the radio.
 
2014-02-13 08:06:07 AM
But remember kids, when you download a song you are really ripping off the artist.
 
2014-02-13 08:08:22 AM

RoyBatty: According to the article, one million plays of some song got $17. How does that compare to a radio station.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/18/entertainment/la-et-arbitron -2 0100618  suggests a top rated LA station like KIIS has 4 million listeners per week or 1/2 million per day, maybe to get a million listeners hearing Money for Nothing they play it for a week twice a day.

How much would KIIS pay in royalties for that?


The dude from Cracker has a full breakdown on this blog post.
 
2014-02-13 08:10:39 AM

Fano: But remember kids, when you download a song you are really ripping off the artist.


Well yes, you are. Just because Pandora/Spotify are ALSO ripping off the artist doesn't mean that illegal downloading is now fair game
 
2014-02-13 08:33:00 AM

Derwood: Fano: But remember kids, when you download a song you are really ripping off the artist.

Well yes, you are. Just because Pandora/Spotify are ALSO ripping off the artist doesn't mean that illegal downloading is now fair game


I think the record labels are ripping off the artists far more than Pandora/Spotify.
 
2014-02-13 08:34:17 AM

Evilsmurf: RoyBatty: According to the article, one million plays of some song got $17. How does that compare to a radio station.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/18/entertainment/la-et-arbitron -2 0100618  suggests a top rated LA station like KIIS has 4 million listeners per week or 1/2 million per day, maybe to get a million listeners hearing Money for Nothing they play it for a week twice a day.

How much would KIIS pay in royalties for that?

The dude from Cracker has a full breakdown on this blog post.


Thanks so much for posting this. As someone who produced a CD, it's interesting to see an artist who gets more airplay/internet than I ever did actually makes.

Also interesting to note that Teen Angst gets more airplay than Get Off This.

Radio stations once a year submit a 2-3 day report of what they play to BMI and or ASCAP. I believe that how it's determined what artist get paid.
 
2014-02-13 08:38:03 AM
They'd be better off installing micoiwave ovens, refrigerators and color TVs.
 
2014-02-13 08:44:58 AM
...Because Elvis and the Beatles got paid $1 per play every time someone played their songs on the radio.

I don't know. My impression is that, historically, musicians never really made any money solely based on air time play. I thought that there was some marginal income based on record sales (granted, most of it was going to the record company), with the bigger slice of the money being made from concert ticket sales.
 
2014-02-13 09:05:01 AM

snowshovel: ...Because Elvis and the Beatles got paid $1 per play every time someone played their songs on the radio.

I don't know. My impression is that, historically, musicians never really made any money solely based on air time play. I thought that there was some marginal income based on record sales (granted, most of it was going to the record company), with the bigger slice of the money being made from concert ticket sales.


Vinyl and CDs royalties are 10-20% Not great but the artist would see $1-2 per album sold.  Muscians never got royalties for air time.  That was just free advertising for them and drove record and concert sales.

The big money is in touring.
 
2014-02-13 09:19:30 AM

Danger Mouse: The big money is in touring.


Always has been.  It's why the wealthiest musicians are the ones who tour relentlessly.
 
2014-02-13 09:21:39 AM
How radio, tv, and other performance royalty payments are calculated.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties7.htm
 
2014-02-13 09:29:01 AM

thesharkman: Evilsmurf: RoyBatty: According to the article, one million plays of some song got $17. How does that compare to a radio station.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/18/entertainment/la-et-arbitron -2 0100618  suggests a top rated LA station like KIIS has 4 million listeners per week or 1/2 million per day, maybe to get a million listeners hearing Money for Nothing they play it for a week twice a day.

How much would KIIS pay in royalties for that?

The dude from Cracker has a full breakdown on this blog post.

Thanks so much for posting this. As someone who produced a CD, it's interesting to see an artist who gets more airplay/internet than I ever did actually makes.

Also interesting to note that Teen Angst gets more airplay than Get Off This.

Radio stations once a year submit a 2-3 day report of what they play to BMI and or ASCAP. I believe that how it's determined what artist get paid.


So, he's comparing 1M online plays of a song to every single instance of radio play over the entire country over the same period of time? I'm honestly asking here, but how many people heard his song over the air vs streaming? That's the only comparison that matters. Just comparing checks doesn't help at all.
 
2014-02-13 09:37:02 AM
FTA:  How much does it pay to be in an instrumental post-metal band? According to Isis / Palms member Aaron Harris, not much.

Being in an "instrumental post-metal band" isn't a farking career you dumbass, it's a hobby.  You should be paid about as much as I am for playing shooting guard for my city league basketball team.  Or what my sister-in-law makes selling bead bracelets at craft shows.
 
2014-02-13 09:41:13 AM

Danger Mouse: snowshovel: ...Because Elvis and the Beatles got paid $1 per play every time someone played their songs on the radio.

I don't know. My impression is that, historically, musicians never really made any money solely based on air time play. I thought that there was some marginal income based on record sales (granted, most of it was going to the record company), with the bigger slice of the money being made from concert ticket sales.

Vinyl and CDs royalties are 10-20% Not great but the artist would see $1-2 per album sold.  Muscians never got royalties for air time.  That was just free advertising for them and drove record and concert sales.

The big money is in touring.


That's what I thought. That's why it seems odd to hear musicians complain about the pennies from Spotify, Unless they were promised something else, this isn't some major shift in income if you consider streaming stations to be similar to radio stations (which is potentially a different argument).

I'm now reading that the typical musician winds up only getting 10% off of an iTunes sale (or any other digital download), which, to me, seems to be the real highway robbery, given that so much of the cost to manufacture, ship, store, warehouse, logistics, etc. of dealing with a "physical thing" of music (in other words, a lot of the stuff that the record company actually did for you) doesn't exist in that realm.
 
2014-02-13 10:15:52 AM
I know two people who own the rights to some really popular songs. No one really buys the records they were on, but they're both really popular picks for movies, TV and commercials. I was shown one of those checks once (it was for $0.69 American) and the stack of similar ones that add up to thousands of dollars a week.

It's an excellent way to make money in the music business.
 
2014-02-13 10:30:15 AM

yakmans_dad: How radio, tv, and other performance royalty payments are calculated.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties7.htm


Any idea how much is paid out for songs played on Touchtunes digital jukeboxes?
 
2014-02-13 10:45:52 AM
I don't know what these guys are biatching about.  They make way more off of their music than I do off of mine.
 
2014-02-13 10:52:21 AM

Doc Batarang: I know two people who own the rights to some really popular songs. No one really buys the records they were on, but they're both really popular picks for movies, TV and commercials. I was shown one of those checks once (it was for $0.69 American) and the stack of similar ones that add up to thousands of dollars a week.

It's an excellent way to make money in the music business.


And that's another problem right there. Owning the rights to a song doesn't mean you actually wrote/performed it.
 
2014-02-13 10:58:26 AM

Fano: But remember kids, when you download a song you are really ripping off the artist.


If you want the opinion of an artist who had sold millions of records, had chart topping singles, and won grammies, this is a (dated, but still relevant) view:
http://www.janisian.com/reading/inter net.php

(on mobile so not bothering with html goodness)

/tl;dr: the "try before you buy affect" is real. Sales go up when an artist's work is available to download for free. And no matter how many songs you download, you'll never rip off an artist as much as their record company has.
 
2014-02-13 11:02:29 AM

RedPhoenix122: Derwood: Fano: But remember kids, when you download a song you are really ripping off the artist.

Well yes, you are. Just because Pandora/Spotify are ALSO ripping off the artist doesn't mean that illegal downloading is now fair game

I think the record labels are ripping off the artists far more than Pandora/Spotify.


So vote Republican?
 
2014-02-13 11:49:48 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Doc Batarang: I know two people who own the rights to some really popular songs. No one really buys the records they were on, but they're both really popular picks for movies, TV and commercials. I was shown one of those checks once (it was for $0.69 American) and the stack of similar ones that add up to thousands of dollars a week.

It's an excellent way to make money in the music business.

And that's another problem right there. Owning the rights to a song doesn't mean you actually wrote/performed it.


One of them did, one of them did not. The guy who wrote the songs in the latter case is deceased, but he wasn't hurting in his twilight years either.

My personal opinion, knowing people at all levels of the music business, is that the more straight forward, professional and graceful one is, the better they ultimately do. You can't con an honest person either.
 
2014-02-13 12:48:35 PM

mcmnky: Fano: But remember kids, when you download a song you are really ripping off the artist.

If you want the opinion of an artist who had sold millions of records, had chart topping singles, and won grammies, this is a (dated, but still relevant) view:
http://www.janisian.com/reading/inter net.php

(on mobile so not bothering with html goodness)

/tl;dr: the "try before you buy affect" is real. Sales go up when an artist's work is available to download for free. And no matter how many songs you download, you'll never rip off an artist as much as their record company has.


Good link.

BTW I'm not advocating piracy, just making light of the RIAA and record labels pretending that digital piracy is cheating artists of the pennies that the labels deign to give to them.

I will say back in the Napster days I spent MORE on music because I'd download a song or two, then like the artist and buy several albums.
 
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