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2014-02-12 11:48:48 PM
The "Simple Truth" chicken products were packaged with labeling that stated the animals were raised "in a humane environment" and "cage free," according to the lawsuit.

However, standard industry practice for broiler chickens is to house them inside large buildings, not cages, according to industry experts.


Well then they weren't raised in a goddamn cage, were they?  if there's a fence on a million acre farm, the nuts will complain about that.
 
2014-02-13 03:36:18 AM
Relevant XKCD:

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2014-02-13 03:38:30 AM
People need to start raising their own chickens if they are that concerned.
 
2014-02-13 03:39:24 AM
They sell the stuff for 150% the price of 'regular' chicken but 50% the price of legitimately free-range chicken. Disappointing to read, but it was pretty obvious just based on price.
 
2014-02-13 04:05:51 AM

picturescrazy: People need to start raising their own chickens if they are that concerned.


That's simply not feasible or economical. Everyone can't quit their job and plunge all their savings and time into the resources and maintenance involved in responsibly raising livestock, especially when there are already established, efficient operations capable of doing so.

All we need is for people to live up to the claims they make.
 
2014-02-13 04:06:52 AM

Lsherm: The "Simple Truth" chicken products were packaged with labeling that stated the animals were raised "in a humane environment" and "cage free," according to the lawsuit.

However, standard industry practice for broiler chickens is to house them inside large buildings, not cages, according to industry experts.

Well then they weren't raised in a goddamn cage, were they?  if there's a fence on a million acre farm, the nuts will complain about that.


Cage free is technically true, and I can see 'feel-good' consumers falling for it, they've been so conditioned by PETA demonstrating .  Humane environment is iffy, one thing I love pointing out to people is that animals aren't people - what a fish wants for an environment is substantially different than what a human likes.  While the smallest cages aren't good for chickens, they're also suprisingly good about being in their own little spot where they have dominance, but around other chickens for reassurance.  The cages also prevents dominance behaviors that lead to injured/dead chickens.
 
2014-02-13 04:18:47 AM
Meh, everything tastes like chicken.........I'm more bummed about the Crystal Pepsi thing being a hoax....

....but then again, I'm probably just weird.  More than likely since that was Pepsi just without the coloring.
 
2014-02-13 04:27:20 AM
The simple answer would be to require products that imply (or could be inferred to imply) higher animal welfare standards to specify exactly how the animals were raised and slaughtered using some standard terms. And to say so in a box close to the claim in a prominent font.

So a product can claim "humane" and "cage free" but if the box next to it says "reared in an enclosed hard surface, avg 1 sq ft per chicken", then it would disincline the product from lying in the first place.
 
2014-02-13 04:43:43 AM

Enigmamf: picturescrazy: People need to start raising their own chickens if they are that concerned.

That's simply not feasible or economical. Everyone can't quit their job and plunge all their savings and time into the resources and maintenance involved in responsibly raising livestock, especially when there are already established, efficient operations capable of doing so.

All we need is for people to live up to the claims they make.


No, raising chicken in the backyard is feasible and economical. It's probably the smell that would the worst. Chicken shiat everywhere unlike pets who go to a specific location. So, a free range would shiat all over the place.

In certain countries, the rich are already sort of raising their own chicken. They buy up a farm in the country and hire a farmer to raise livestock in the specific way they want that will be only consumed by them. Then they can throw a fancy dinner for their guests at the farm and show how super-organic their food is.

You obviously can't trust a super-market to be honest about their "organic" or "free-range" products.
 
2014-02-13 04:44:57 AM
How about "tastes like chicken"?

Or even better "I can't believe its not chicken"
 
2014-02-13 04:57:18 AM
Eating meat is messy and disgusting.  If you can't stomach it, shut the hell up and buy broccoli or something (which, by the way, they now say has feelings and crap like that) but leave those of us who understand that to survive by eating meat means death to something else alone.

Because if broccoli has emotions and thoughts (google the studies about plants just recently) then chickens must have an entire Mensa group.  Knowing that and still wanting to eat them REGARDLESS of their conditions just means you're a hypocritical prick.

As far as I'm concerned, they're delicious and one could be the next Einstein but I'm still eating it.
 
2014-02-13 05:04:40 AM
I, for one, would relish being able to slaughter, clean, cook, and consume a chicken/any other animal myself. Imagine how good the taste of self-reliance must taste.
 
2014-02-13 05:08:41 AM

Quark_Quasar: I, for one, would relish being able to slaughter, clean, cook, and consume a chicken/any other animal myself. Imagine how good the taste of self-reliance must taste.


It's delicious and if you make sure to name them all first, then the next day when you go to feed the rest of the flock and let them out into the yard, you can tell them, "Straighten up and fly right or you'll end up like Ken".  It may mean nothing to them but it makes a difference.

Really, the meat's much better when you're kind and treat them well and give them lots of space.  Happy chickens are tasty chickens.  Had several chickens and the skittish ones were always toughish.
 
2014-02-13 05:17:15 AM
So if electrically-stunning the chickens prior to slaughter is inhumane, would it be better to slaughter them while fully-conscious? Or do we need a multi-drug lethal-injection cocktail to sedate the chickens? Not sure what the litigant really expects...
 
2014-02-13 05:21:19 AM
He never made it as a wise man..
 
2014-02-13 05:38:27 AM
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Does help make Ultimate Party Platter and shoots Ranch Dressing from second anus.
 
2014-02-13 05:46:14 AM

Resident Muslim: How about "tastes like chicken"?

Or even better "I can't believe its not chicken"


Chicken- whizz
 
2014-02-13 06:01:20 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-13 06:13:40 AM
www.epodcentral.com.au
 
2014-02-13 06:24:57 AM
Broiler chickens won't do a lot of free ranging even if they were allowed to. They are selectively bred blobs on feet.
 
2014-02-13 06:44:35 AM

Firethorn: one thing I love pointing out to people is that animals aren't people


Well, some of them are... At least a handful of members of the genus homo, anyway...
 
2014-02-13 06:44:39 AM
I think every meat-eating person should take the time to watch a cow being slaughtered or take the time to kill and dress a chicken (yeah, that whole chicken with their head chopped off thing is true) or kill a buck and dress it themselves.  Not because it will turn you into a vegan, but it will allow you to appreciate the circle of life.

/cat tacos.
 
2014-02-13 07:00:56 AM

Firethorn: Lsherm: The "Simple Truth" chicken products were packaged with labeling that stated the animals were raised "in a humane environment" and "cage free," according to the lawsuit.

However, standard industry practice for broiler chickens is to house them inside large buildings, not cages, according to industry experts.

Well then they weren't raised in a goddamn cage, were they?  if there's a fence on a million acre farm, the nuts will complain about that.

Cage free is technically true, and I can see 'feel-good' consumers falling for it, they've been so conditioned by PETA demonstrating .  Humane environment is iffy, one thing I love pointing out to people is that animals aren't people - what a fish wants for an environment is substantially different than what a human likes.  While the smallest cages aren't good for chickens, they're also suprisingly good about being in their own little spot where they have dominance, but around other chickens for reassurance.  The cages also prevents dominance behaviors that lead to injured/dead chickens.


First time I've seen anyone arguing a pro-cage stance for chickens.

I've raised chickens and they seem to enjoy being in a coop. I reject your limited world view that attributes any of my beliefs to PETA.

I support animal cruelty...when it comes to Ingrid Newkirk and her cult of dittoheads.
 
2014-02-13 07:06:44 AM
labeling in the US is a farce. i've seen items labeled *Cholesterol Free* that couldn't possibly contain animal components anyway. another one, *Grain Fed Beef*, like i really thought kroger wold bother with grass-fed.

kroger sells *Fat Free Half & Half* which (a) defies logic, as half&half is half cream by definition (b) is made of milk and thickeners (c) is prced the same as the real thing though manufacturing cost is far less.
 
2014-02-13 07:11:21 AM

jshine: So if electrically-stunning the chickens prior to slaughter is inhumane, would it be better to slaughter them while fully-conscious? Or do we need a multi-drug lethal-injection cocktail to sedate the chickens? Not sure what the litigant really expects...


Chicken processing plants either use electrical or gas stunning to render the birds unconscious prior to slaughter.  This is done as the humane alternative to just chopping the head off.  It is important, in slaughtering animals, that the heart be still beating when the animal is stuck so that the animal bleeds properly.  Stunning is the best way to insure that the animal is not aware of pain and the body doesn't produce hormones that would ruin the meat.  It is used for all commercial processing.  So these litigants clearly don't have a clue what they're complaining about.
 
2014-02-13 07:16:54 AM
not trying to flame, this is really how my brain works.

i care that animals to be used for food don't suffer needlessly. i realize that worrying about animal welfare when the whole point is to kill them, is contradictory. i look forward to the time, which may occur 50 years in the future, that tasty meat can be economically made thru 3d printing. i would care more about animal treatment (including meat animals and pets) if abortion were rarer, or if the US used its overseas military adventures in humanitarian ways (rwanda, darfur) instead of for oil. such is my mental mish-mash.
 
2014-02-13 07:19:26 AM

TheSwissNavy: labeling in the US is a farce. i've seen items labeled *Cholesterol Free* that couldn't possibly contain animal components anyway. another one, *Grain Fed Beef*, like i really thought kroger wold bother with grass-fed.

kroger sells *Fat Free Half & Half* which (a) defies logic, as half&half is half cream by definition (b) is made of milk and thickeners (c) is prced the same as the real thing though manufacturing cost is far less.


I've noticed that salt is added to some dairy products to 'reduce fat'.  I am not sure how that works, but I just go for the lower salt product.  Sour cream was the one I proved my wife that it happens.
 
2014-02-13 07:30:56 AM
I came, hoping for some truly fowl puns.
I left, not having helped much with my poultry contributions.
 
2014-02-13 07:43:24 AM
bullshiat headline of the week award, subby.

Kroger: Our chickens are cage-free

Plaintiffs: That's nothing special because all broiler chickens are actually cage-free

Kroger: It's not our fault if our shoppers are saps and don't know that.
 
2014-02-13 07:52:18 AM
 
2014-02-13 08:20:29 AM
Oh, sheesh. Buildings =/= cages. Chickens, even when the door is left open for "free range" tend to stay together, as in if one goes out the whole flock will, and if not, well they won't.

I do not advocate active and blatant animal suffering in any form. But these are animals raised for meat, mass produced, and none of them are going to get names and little ID bracelets along with an invitation to slaughter.

I have killed and butchered my own meat animals from steer to deer to chicken to pig many times, I know what it entails. I eat meat, I'm ok with this, even in production farming of meat.

Get over yourselves, you little shrinking violets.
 
2014-02-13 08:22:24 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Oh, sheesh. Buildings =/= cages. Chickens, even when the door is left open for "free range" tend to stay together, as in if one goes out the whole flock will, and if not, well they won't.

I do not advocate active and blatant animal suffering in any form. But these are animals raised for meat, mass produced, and none of them are going to get names and little ID bracelets along with an invitation to slaughter.

I have killed and butchered my own meat animals from steer to deer to chicken to pig many times, I know what it entails. I eat meat, I'm ok with this, even in production farming of meat.

Get over yourselves, you little shrinking violets.


Better yet, stop eating meat, because then more meat for me.
 
2014-02-13 08:24:58 AM
Chicago Tribune Article: "Kroger sued for not telling 'Simple Truth' on chicken labels"

Large photo with article: "
Breakfast cereal is shown for sale at a Ralphs grocery store in Del Mar, California (Mike Blake Reuters, / March 8, 2013) "

You know guys.... you don't ALWAYS have to have a photo with an article.
 
2014-02-13 08:39:48 AM
Total fark level stupid in this headline. It's still chicken dumbass.
 
2014-02-13 08:40:52 AM

jshine: So if electrically-stunning the chickens prior to slaughter is inhumane, would it be better to slaughter them while fully-conscious? Or do we need a multi-drug lethal-injection cocktail to sedate the chickens? Not sure what the litigant really expects...


A nitrogen gas chamber is painless and can be used without any alarm to the animal.
 
2014-02-13 08:49:57 AM

mr0x: Enigmamf: picturescrazy: People need to start raising their own chickens if they are that concerned.

That's simply not feasible or economical. Everyone can't quit their job and plunge all their savings and time into the resources and maintenance involved in responsibly raising livestock, especially when there are already established, efficient operations capable of doing so.

All we need is for people to live up to the claims they make.

No, raising chicken in the backyard is feasible and economical. It's probably the smell that would the worst. Chicken shiat everywhere unlike pets who go to a specific location. So, a free range would shiat all over the place.

In certain countries, the rich are already sort of raising their own chicken. They buy up a farm in the country and hire a farmer to raise livestock in the specific way they want that will be only consumed by them. Then they can throw a fancy dinner for their guests at the farm and show how super-organic their food is.

You obviously can't trust a super-market to be honest about their "organic" or "free-range" products.


How many chickens do you eat over the course of three months?  Because that's how many you will have to keep in your backyard while they mature....plus a few extra to cover the ones that won't make it.
 
2014-02-13 08:52:23 AM
Free-range chicken tastes different than typical chicken. Some people prefer it, others like standard. I find that free range tastes meatier and has richer fat, but the meat is less tender than an animal that can't really run around. If you're looking for the free range taste (which is what older people tell me all chickens used to taste like) then this could rightfully be seen as deceptive marketing if you think you're getting something different.

If you're interested, here's an actual vote of 76 people on free range vs. standard:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/JK2y2mF00K8?list=PLE2C370FD4F5349CB

That's from the River Cottage series from the UK and I warn you, it's a highly addictive show.
 
2014-02-13 08:55:10 AM

HenryFnord: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Oh, sheesh. Buildings =/= cages. Chickens, even when the door is left open for "free range" tend to stay together, as in if one goes out the whole flock will, and if not, well they won't.

I do not advocate active and blatant animal suffering in any form. But these are animals raised for meat, mass produced, and none of them are going to get names and little ID bracelets along with an invitation to slaughter.

I have killed and butchered my own meat animals from steer to deer to chicken to pig many times, I know what it entails. I eat meat, I'm ok with this, even in production farming of meat.

Get over yourselves, you little shrinking violets.

Better yet, stop eating meat, because then more meat for me.


I'd be fine with that too!  Just put half a hog in my freezer and the side of beef will be ready in a week or so.  I'm sooo set for BBQ/grilling season!
 
2014-02-13 09:52:28 AM

jshine: So if electrically-stunning the chickens prior to slaughter is inhumane, would it be better to slaughter them while fully-conscious? Or do we need a multi-drug lethal-injection cocktail to sedate the chickens? Not sure what the litigant really expects...


Curious about that part myself.
 
2014-02-13 10:29:07 AM
This is what's considered cage free.

basalevolution.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-13 10:50:58 AM

picturescrazy: People need to start raising their own chickens if they are that concerned.


They prefer to run around like chickens with their head cut off.
 
2014-02-13 10:58:29 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: This is what's considered cage free.

[basalevolution.files.wordpress.com image 500x341]


Yes, and this is what people want to think it is.

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It's not, and won't be for mass production.  They can either raise their own or stop eating them.  Their choice.
 
2014-02-13 10:59:19 AM
If you read the label, it's pretty damn obvious that yes, they're using standard chicken houses.

They aren't using antibiotics, which is a good thing because antibiotic overuse in food is what's creating superbugs.

They aren't "enhancing" with 15% chicken broth.

They're not feeding them animal by-products.

And they aren't the freakishly large and somewhat flavorless chickens that you get with their regular store brand.

They're not claiming free range, they're not claiming organic.  And they're not charging organic, free range prices.  It's a mid-grade product, at a mid-grade price point.  Now, are they spending more to produce the chicken that way, is the price justified?  I have no clue.
 
2014-02-13 11:12:14 AM

Enigmamf: picturescrazy: People need to start raising their own chickens if they are that concerned.

That's simply not feasible or economical. Everyone can't quit their job and plunge all their savings and time into the resources and maintenance involved in responsibly raising livestock...



Yes, because raising chickens involves a HUGE capital investment, just ask all those mexican families who have sold their souls to raise 'em.


...especially when there are already established, efficient operations capable of doing so.


I'm gonna guess you've never been to a chicken "farm" nor seen or heard of the business practices of "Big Chicken"

/I made "Big Chicken" up, their practices do suck tho.
 
2014-02-13 11:58:36 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: This is what's considered cage free.

[basalevolution.files.wordpress.com image 500x341]


So? If you take two thirds of the chickens out of that group they would all be in one corner of a mostly empty barn.
 
2014-02-13 12:04:57 PM
humanely raised chicken


I actually saw some meat the other week with that label as well and had to laugh

aye.. it was humanely raised..till we killed it
 
2014-02-13 12:14:01 PM

Quark_Quasar: I, for one, would relish being able to slaughter, clean, cook, and consume a chicken/any other animal myself. Imagine how good the taste of self-reliance must taste.

 There is a lot of truth to that.  My wife often complains about how bland the chicken meat is here in the U.S.  She grew up in Peru, where even in the city you could go to the market, pick out a live chicken, and have it slaughtered on the spot.  She says that all the processing our meat goes through robs it of much of the natural flavor.


Funny thing, though... she got sick the first time she saw us butcher a deer, and refuses to eat any sort of venison ever since.
 
2014-02-13 12:22:44 PM
Stupidest thing overheard at Kroger- "Is the veal free-range?"
 
2014-02-13 12:23:27 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: This is what's considered cage free.

[basalevolution.files.wordpress.com image 500x341]


And do you see any cages? No?

What do you mean by "considered" cage free, then?

I've been in a big chicken house like that.  They smell horrible.  But the chickens don't seem any more or less happy to me than backyard "pet" chickens in a coop.  And those smell horrible too.
 
2014-02-13 02:48:04 PM

scotchcrotch: Stupidest thing overheard at Kroger- "Is the veal free-range?"


You know, the answer may surprise you. Rose veal is an actual thing:

http://www.gourmetdirect.com/Rose-Veal/
 
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