imfallen_angel: So many little penises....
Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Given the circumstances at the time, the move made sense.No, it didn't. People, in neighborhoods not flooded, and with plenty of provisions had their means of protection illegally taken away from them. Twist all you want, but nothing will make it right, nor legal.
demaL-demaL-yeH: redmid17: demaL-demaL-yeH: Joe Blowme: Counterpoint:VII. And be it further enacted, That the rules of discipline, approved and established by Congress, in their resolution of the twenty-ninth of March, 1779, shall be the rules of discipline so be observed by the militia throughout the United States,Those rules of discipline established by Congress on March 29, 1779?Regulations for the Order and Discipline of the Troops of the United StatesThis is what the Founders meant by well regulated./*spikes the microphone*And yet.... Georgie himself said "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. "/go B rabbit!!The very same George Washington who, as Commander-in-Chief, saddled up and led troops in the field to crush an insurrection?//History, facts, and reality are not kind to your views. Mayhap you should change them.So he knows wtf he is talking about now dont he? Sorta been there, done that kinda way huh?Sorry. Forgot a link./Enjoy.//It's like the Zombie Reagan vs. REAL Reagan when it comes to gun control.Zombie Reagan:[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 604x720]///Here's a nice quiz for you for civics class.Why do you keep bringing up Reagan?Aren't Reagan, guns, and money your heilige trinity?
Oblio13: Daemonik:You want to worship the 2nd Amendment? Fine, how about you remember the part where it says "WELL REGULATED" eh?...Good idea. You should look up what the Founders meant by "well regulated", as well as what they meant by "militia". If the Bill of Rights isn't clear enough, they also explained themselves in The Federalist Papers. The exhaustive research done for the Heller decision is only a Google search away. Last but not least, the definition is right in the US Code:... every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age (and) former members of the armed forces up to age 65...
Thunderpipes: smoky2010: dittybopper: mbillips: Uh, pretty much everywhere in Europe other than the U.K.?You mean this UK?In England and Wales there were 1.7 million legally registered firearms in 2005; illegal, unregistered guns were estimated as high as 4 million.Many U.S. states? Legal firearms confiscation is pretty clearly barred in the U.S. Some local jurisdictions can force you to sell or otherwise dispose of them in a legal fashion, but they haven't confiscated them.That's a distinction without a difference. Just because they didn't show up at your door with a SWAT unit to forcibly take them from you doesn't make it any better: Either way, they'd be forced by the Fourth Amendment to compensate you.But cash doesn't compensate you for loss of utility.So, do you think that a convicted felon should be able to legal possess a firearm? That seems to be the case your making. I have yet to see any cases of people being forced to sell/ or dispose of firearms. CT certainly didn't do that. Generally, the laws are setup so that if you already own the weapon, you can keep it. You just can't buy another one. No one said that you have to get rid of them.Blah blah blah. This is the problem with slippery slope. We said Democrats would enact registries, you said no they won't. And look what we have. Registration leads to confiscation, period. Look at Canada. They outlaw a 22 rilfe because it looks like an AK-47, then confiscate. Australia did the same thing, and Obama admin has said Australian gun laws are a model.Wake up.Next thing will be dropping the 4th amendment so cops can randomly search your house for guns.
dittybopper: smoky2010: The problem is that if you don't register, and you're caught, you are now a felon. You know what that means, you are no longer allowed to own or possess firearms. They will then confiscate ALL of your guns.Whether you agree with the law or not, the possibility of being a felon is not something I want on my record. I do not want to seriously restrict my future employment because I made a stand over registering magazines (that they state already knows I own anyway because I bought them legally).You know, if there are a whole lot of those cases where Joe Upstandingcitizen, Boy Scout leader, Little League coach, never been in any serious trouble beyond a traffic ticket, gets arrested for having an unregistered gun, and made into a felon by fiat, not because he hurt somebody, but because he owned something he believed it was his right to own under the Constitution of the United States, and common law stretching back to before the US even existed, how do you think juries and voters are going to react to that?But hey, that's fine. You want to register them to avoid legal sanctions now, go right ahead. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
OnlyM3: Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon,
Piizzadude: Can you yell fire in a crowded theater or is that illegal?
Piizzadude: So much for the law abiding gun owner myth.Law says register your guns, you register. You deserve the conviction and removal of your 2nd amendment rights.PS the 2nd says you can have a gun, it doesnt say under what terms and conditions.
Piizzadude: kellyclan: Piizzadude: So much for the law abiding gun owner myth.Law says register your guns, you register. You deserve the conviction and removal of your 2nd amendment rights.PS the 2nd says you can have a gun, it doesnt say under what terms and conditions.It actually says exactly what terms and conditions. It says you can have arms that you can bear; handheld infantry weapons.And everyone is law abiding. A few hacks with an agenda ignored the constituents and changed the rules.Thought exercise: What would be some reasonable restrictions on your 1st Amendment rights?Can you yell fire in a crowded theater or is that illegal?
Boojum2k: Pokey.Clyde: Actually, they were taking people's guns.Don't worry, Piizzadude will be right there with you. Weather and schedule permitting, of course, and not if there's anything better to do.
Piizzadude: All the way up to taking them from you, there is nothing wrong. When they say no one can have a gun anymore, I will be right there with you.
demaL-demaL-yeH: Had the Supreme Court found registration unconstitutional, they would have ruled it just as unconstitutional as the trigger lock requirement.The court did not. QED.
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