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(Digital Journal)   Noah's Ark was round, says noted scholar in an article completely unrelated to the movie that will be out soon   (digitaljournal.com) divider line 53
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2014-02-12 07:58:34 PM
Right, what's a cubit?
 
2014-02-12 07:59:59 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Right, what's a cubit?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-12 08:03:29 PM
Someone should open a themed Brazillian steakhouse called Noah's Ark.
 
2014-02-12 08:06:04 PM
Of course it was round.  Space ships are round.  Helloooo???
 
2014-02-12 08:06:24 PM
I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.
 
2014-02-12 08:08:03 PM
It's like claiming that Sasquatch has red hair, not brown hair as most believe. When discussing something fictional, is it really that important to be accurate about details?
 
2014-02-12 08:08:11 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Right, what's a cubit?


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2014-02-12 08:09:47 PM
This makes a difference to the story on any level...

How?
 
2014-02-12 08:12:48 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Right, what's a cubit?


Never mind, that's not important right now.
 
2014-02-12 08:12:52 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.


I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...
 
2014-02-12 08:13:48 PM
Yes, it was round.

...round and fake.
 
2014-02-12 08:15:56 PM
It had to be round to fit into somebody's head which is the only place it ever existed.
 
2014-02-12 08:16:14 PM
He should have waited for the unicorns.
 
2014-02-12 08:17:08 PM
telephone game..

original story was some guy named Noah put his animals in a barn when it was raining and they did not run away!  moral of the story: put your crap away

after a few 100 years..  God told him to build a huge ark since the world was full of sin!!  God flooded the Earth and all was lost.. pay your Church tax or go to Hell!!!
 
2014-02-12 08:17:16 PM
The fact that this guy thinks Noah's ark was round is not what worries me about him.
 
2014-02-12 08:18:58 PM

Atomic Spunk: It's like claiming that Sasquatch has red hair, not brown hair as most believe. When discussing something fictional, is it really that important to be accurate about details?


To be fair, there could very well have been an arc. But Noah would have been the equivalent of today's crazy doomsday prepper and not the savior of all life on this planet from a global flood.

Most legends and myths have a grain of truth.
 
2014-02-12 08:19:55 PM
Looks like cube a few cubit on each side
www.mwctoys.com
 
2014-02-12 08:20:37 PM
Reading TFA is actually pretty interesting...if you're into that kind of thing.  Reading TFA, that is.
 
2014-02-12 08:21:04 PM

ChewbaccaJones: Yes, it was round.

...round and fake.


1.bp.blogspot.com
"Was someone here calling me?"
 
2014-02-12 08:22:31 PM

rkiller1: Looks like cube a few cubit on each side
[www.mwctoys.com image 800x531]


TOP men on it?
 
2014-02-12 08:22:40 PM
It was designed by a physicist who wanted to maximize room for all of the spherical animals.
 
2014-02-12 08:23:40 PM

debug: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.

I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...


Yep, utterly impossible.  As is the worldwide flood.

It's as real as god - and there is no god.
 
2014-02-12 08:24:22 PM

debug: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.

I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...


According to that Ham guy, it's about "kinds". At the end of the day they rounded up two dogs, two cats, two birds, two cows, maybe a couple other pairs, and they were done. How that makes sense only FSM knows, but that's apparently how you make the story workable.
 
2014-02-12 08:24:31 PM
Is it completely unrelated to the same design from a couple weeks ago?
 
2014-02-12 08:24:52 PM
FTA: "geological and archaeological suggestions that there was an especially cataclysmic flood around 5,000BC."

Sure there is...

http://ncse.com/cej/1/1/fatal-flaws-flood-geology

More problems with the flood story, below.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
 
2014-02-12 08:25:22 PM
I assume this change is due to adherence to the scientific method?

/yea science!
 
2014-02-12 08:25:53 PM

RaiderFanMikeP: telephone game..

original story was some guy named Noah put his animals in a barn when it was raining and they did not run away!  moral of the story: put your crap away

after a few 100 years..  God told him to build a huge ark since the world was full of sin!!  God flooded the Earth and all was lost.. pay your Church tax or go to Hell!!!


Could have been as simple as it rained really hard, localized flooding occurred, and his really well constructed barn floated away and somehow managed to hold together.

Although the movie looks like it's going to be good.
 
2014-02-12 08:26:11 PM
I didn't watch the Nye v Ham debate.  Did they touch on the Ark story at all in the "debate"?

/can't really call it a debate since one side has all the physical evidence and the other side has an old book
 
2014-02-12 08:26:32 PM
Noah's Coracle
 
2014-02-12 08:26:49 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Right, what's a cubit?


Vooopah Vooopah Vooopah....
 
2014-02-12 08:28:07 PM

ChewbaccaJones: Yes, it was round.

...round and fake.


heh heh
 
2014-02-12 08:29:49 PM

debug: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.

I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...


This is correct.
However, his spiel was in reference to a Monty Python skit (Ms A. Elk's brontosaurus theory).
 
2014-02-12 08:29:58 PM

ChewbaccaJones: Yes, it was round.

...round and fake.


...fake AND gay.
 
2014-02-12 08:31:59 PM
Of course back then Pi was equal to 4. It eroded since then.
 
2014-02-12 08:37:38 PM
Waiting for the unicorns would have taken too long, we all know the ancient Kims in Korea were too busy riding them!
 
2014-02-12 08:38:01 PM
I'm pretty sure this is a repeat.
 
2014-02-12 08:38:22 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: FTA: "geological and archaeological suggestions that there was an especially cataclysmic flood around 5,000BC."

Sure there is...

http://ncse.com/cej/1/1/fatal-flaws-flood-geology

More problems with the flood story, below.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html


Especially cataclysmic? How do you have an "especially cataclysmic" flood? Compared to when? To where? Was it more cataclysmic than the one in 6000 BC, or the one on the Tigris in the same year?

All that is just babble-talk, archaeological justification for a faint hope that maybe they can prove that SOMETHING LIKE Noah's ark might have existed. I am quite open to the view that there was a very bad flood or series of floods in the Middle East/Fertile Crescent about the time "Noah's Ark" would have entered the mythos (see also the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Flood of Deucalion), but this idea that there was an even MORE amazing flood that seemed like the Mother of All Floods is just hogwash.

People want to believe. That's all it is.
 
2014-02-12 08:39:07 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Right, what's a cubit?


|Ψ> = 1/√2 |0> + (1+i) / 2 |1>
 
2014-02-12 08:41:14 PM

debug: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.

I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...


I think its more a case of you tell someone a story and then they tell someone and that someone tells someone and so on until you have this larger than life story when reality was it was probably the local river flooding and some farmer named Noah put his wife, three kids, a goat and two chickens on a raft and floated away out of the flooded area to safety.
 
2014-02-12 08:41:16 PM
I'm pretty sure the fictional boat was triangular in shape.

You can't prove me wrong ... were you there??????!?
 
2014-02-12 08:42:39 PM
"...an enormous round boat, 70ft across, six yards high..."

I do not think that word enormous means what you think it means.
 
2014-02-12 08:44:55 PM
Evangelical Christians of the U.S. flavorare going to be butt hurt over this because the deity is called the "Creator". Not God or Yahweh.

And, then they will be butt hurt to find out the flood story predates the Biblical account, is common to many cultures including the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Also how did the kangaroos make it to the boarding gate on time?
 
2014-02-12 08:45:00 PM

symptomoftheuniverse: Darth_Lukecash: Right, what's a cubit?

Vooopah Vooopah Vooopah....


*Ding!*
 
2014-02-12 08:47:48 PM
Remember folks. God created the universe, including the physical laws. This all powerful being had to flood the earth to kill off all the bad people and had some dude put two of every animal on a boat so they could make inbred babies.

How stupid do you need to be in order to believe this? Seriously, above and beyond any critique of religion in general. This all powerful being has to use such a low "tech" device as "dump lots of water on it" in order to exterminate those he didn't think were valuable.

God must be the original Rube Goldberg.
 
2014-02-12 09:05:15 PM

debug: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.

I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...


Not to mention the implications of enough water to cover Mount Everest on the surface of Earth. I'm not a scientist, but just having a little common sense makes me skeptical as hell. The ocean as it is today has an average depth of ~4,000 meters. To cover Mount Everest that average would need to be increased cover another 8,848 meters. That pesky "volume cubed as surface area squared" thing means the amount of water on the earth would be so astronomical it would likely throw off the rotation. You would think there would be a problem with freshwater fish that are now a part of the global ocean, but with that kind of additional volume I bet the salinity of ocean would be dropped so far that Noah would have to have salt water aquariums on the ark for all the saltwater fish and other ocean species.

The entire concept is something that could only be believed by a bronze age goat herder who thinks the entire earth is what he can see from the nearest mountain, or a really, really stupid child. We are talking retarded, because one look at a globe and even a 5 year old can figure out that's farking stupid.

(this sounds like the kind of thing Randall Munroe would be good at figuring out, has he done this one yet?)
 
2014-02-12 09:39:53 PM

That Guy Jeff: debug: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.

I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...

Not to mention the implications of enough water to cover Mount Everest on the surface of Earth. I'm not a scientist, but just having a little common sense makes me skeptical as hell. The ocean as it is today has an average depth of ~4,000 meters. To cover Mount Everest that average would need to be increased cover another 8,848 meters. That pesky "volume cubed as surface area squared" thing means the amount of water on the earth would be so astronomical it would likely throw off the rotation. You would think there would be a problem with freshwater fish that are now a part of the global ocean, but with that kind of additional volume I bet the salinity of ocean would be dropped so far that Noah would have to have salt water aquariums on the ark for all the saltwater fish and other ocean species.

The entire concept is something that could only be believed by a bronze age goat herder who thinks the entire earth is what he can see from the nearest mountain, or a really, really stupid child. We are talking retarded, because one look at a globe and even a 5 year old can figure out that's farking stupid.

(this sounds like the kind of thing Randall Munroe would be good at figuring out, has he done this one yet?)



This was already solved I tell you

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2014-02-12 09:44:38 PM

That Guy Jeff: debug: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have a theory that it was small on one end, then big in the middle, and then small again at the other end.  That's my theory.

I have a theory that it never existed at all and is completely made up.  Seriously, people believe that a guy built a boat big enough to house two of every animal on the planet, as well as food for all these beasts and also managed to somehow collect all these animals?  Sure he did...

Not to mention the implications of enough water to cover Mount Everest on the surface of Earth. I'm not a scientist, but just having a little common sense makes me skeptical as hell. The ocean as it is today has an average depth of ~4,000 meters. To cover Mount Everest that average would need to be increased cover another 8,848 meters. That pesky "volume cubed as surface area squared" thing means the amount of water on the earth would be so astronomical it would likely throw off the rotation. You would think there would be a problem with freshwater fish that are now a part of the global ocean, but with that kind of additional volume I bet the salinity of ocean would be dropped so far that Noah would have to have salt water aquariums on the ark for all the saltwater fish and other ocean species.

The entire concept is something that could only be believed by a bronze age goat herder who thinks the entire earth is what he can see from the nearest mountain, or a really, really stupid child. We are talking retarded, because one look at a globe and even a 5 year old can figure out that's farking stupid.

(this sounds like the kind of thing Randall Munroe would be good at figuring out, has he done this one yet?)


Not to mention, where did all that water come from and where did it go after the flood ended?
 
2014-02-12 10:08:39 PM
If it was a 'flood' of rain water...that would be fresh water and would have diluted the salt water in the oceans.


Did Noah also rescue salt water fish, corals etc..that depend on a certain amount of salt water to survive?
 
2014-02-12 10:20:33 PM
Are there any other magical/supernatural events that we encounter for which we attempt to figure out using natural means? Shall we boil down every iota of our thoughts to quarks colliding?

I recognize that anything that is perceived to be magical/supernatural is merely not fully understood yet. And yet, we do not have a unified field theory and we claim to render all these things that we don't understand for which some people claim to be magical/supernatural as being impossible. Of course the burden is on the one making the claim and I don't propose that anything be taught as science or truth until they can be proved. It is merely the arrogant position that is taken regarding things that are not understood and have not been proven to have never happened. It is easy enough to say that something has not been proven and is therefore not verifiable so the need to debate its usefulness or lack thereof waits upon the claim to either play out or not.

This is not an argument for ID or for creationism. It is an argument for humility.
 
2014-02-12 11:44:28 PM
It always cracked me up when I brought it to the attention of fundies to explain where 30,000 feet of water worldwide (for it rained until the highest peaks were covered) came from and where it all went on the 40th day.

Also, doing some back of the envelope math here, if it rained that much for 40 days:

40 x 24 = 960
30,000 / 960 = 31.25

It rained 31 feet every frikkin hour. The ark would have needed to have been made of styrofoam to stay afloat in that kind of downpour!
 
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