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(io9)   Former Firefly writer and producer thinks there are still ways to bring the show back to television. ♪♫ You can't take the denial from me ♫♪   (io9.com) divider line 138
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2014-02-12 07:54:00 PM  
The best way is to make it a good show this time.
 
2014-02-12 08:15:17 PM  
This has got to be one of the longest and most successful trolls in history.
 
2014-02-12 08:23:37 PM  
Scrap the original cast. They've all moved on. Make another compelling story in the same universe with cameo appearances from the previous characters. It is the only way this could work.
 
2014-02-12 08:29:53 PM  

Ambivalence: Scrap the original cast. They've all moved on. Make another compelling story in the same universe with cameo appearances from the previous characters. It is the only way this could work.


This, but let's face facts and let hope fade away, it's not coming back
 
2014-02-12 08:41:28 PM  
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2014-02-12 08:45:26 PM  

Ambivalence: Scrap the original cast. They've all moved on. Make another compelling story in the same universe with cameo appearances from the previous characters. It is the only way this could work.


That would be the best bet.  Casting would be incredibly important though.  One of the things that really made Firefly click from the get-go was that the entire cast seemed to have great chemistry with each other.

Hell, even if they don't remake Firefly, just make a good spaceship based TV show again.  Star Trek and Stargate are on hiatus, something needs to fill that void.
 
2014-02-12 08:52:14 PM  
I could imagine a situation in which a cable channel (SyFy?) found itself desperate enough to give it a whack. It has a sizable cult following, so the first season could probably count on some reasonable ratings.

But yes, recast it. Don't try to pick up where the original left off.
 
2014-02-12 08:52:28 PM  
animated series?
 
2014-02-12 09:16:18 PM  
Too late. But I've got a season and a movie to enjoy whenever I want. So I'm way, way over it.
 
2014-02-12 09:24:24 PM  

Nefarious: Ambivalence: Scrap the original cast. They've all moved on. Make another compelling story in the same universe with cameo appearances from the previous characters. It is the only way this could work.

This, but let's face facts and let hope fade away, it's not coming back


Everything is getting rebooted and remade. It may be 10-20 years but it will happen eventually.
 
2014-02-12 09:25:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Ambivalence: Scrap the original cast. They've all moved on. Make another compelling story in the same universe with cameo appearances from the previous characters. It is the only way this could work.

That would be the best bet.  Casting would be incredibly important though.  One of the things that really made Firefly click from the get-go was that the entire cast seemed to have great chemistry with each other.

Hell, even if they don't remake Firefly, just make a good spaceship based TV show again.  Star Trek and Stargate are on hiatus, something needs to fill that void.


They have? Only ones with any consistent work that people see are Nathan and the guy that played Wash. Summer Glau has killed a show or two, though.
 
2014-02-12 09:30:47 PM  

dr_blasto: TuteTibiImperes: Ambivalence: Scrap the original cast. They've all moved on. Make another compelling story in the same universe with cameo appearances from the previous characters. It is the only way this could work.

That would be the best bet.  Casting would be incredibly important though.  One of the things that really made Firefly click from the get-go was that the entire cast seemed to have great chemistry with each other.

Hell, even if they don't remake Firefly, just make a good spaceship based TV show again.  Star Trek and Stargate are on hiatus, something needs to fill that void.

They have? Only ones with any consistent work that people see are Nathan and the guy that played Wash. Summer Glau has killed a show or two, though.


Fillion and Tudyk have done very well, as has Gina Torres (she's a lead on Suits).  Adam Baldwin, Jewel Staite, and Ron Glass have all stayed fairly active, but aren't currently anchoring or consistently recurring in anything.
 
2014-02-12 09:33:48 PM  

qorkfiend: I could imagine a situation in which a cable channel (SyFy?) found itself desperate enough to give it a whack. It has a sizable cult following, so the first season could probably count on some reasonable ratings.

But yes, recast it. Don't try to pick up where the original left off.


Do you remember how that turned out for Stargate Universe?

/my memories have a sad now
 
2014-02-12 09:41:22 PM  

sithon: animated series?


Prequel movies.
 
2014-02-12 09:43:05 PM  
Let it go, man. Let it go.
 
2014-02-12 09:45:14 PM  
i wouldnt mind an Inara spin off.
 
2014-02-12 09:47:12 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: qorkfiend: I could imagine a situation in which a cable channel (SyFy?) found itself desperate enough to give it a whack. It has a sizable cult following, so the first season could probably count on some reasonable ratings.

But yes, recast it. Don't try to pick up where the original left off.

Do you remember how that turned out for Stargate Universe?

/my memories have a sad now


Hey, it got better before it got the axe! I'll grant you that it was too little too late, but it was actually getting pretty good once they stopped having the characters be functional retards. From what I hear Helix suffers the same issue.
 
2014-02-12 09:49:34 PM  
Someone call Ted McGinley, see if he's free.
 
2014-02-12 09:56:36 PM  
...Look - I LOVED Firefly, and I don't think anything before or since can touch it.  I'd love to see it come back, but it was lightning in a bottle, a one-in-a-million shot.  You could recast it, but it just wouldn't work, no matter how determined and devoted the cast and writers might be.

Let.

It.

Go.
 
2014-02-12 10:00:21 PM  
It's been too long. It was too late when Castle was in its first season. At this point I'd be happier (and it's more likely) to see a Barney Miller comeback.


/Plus, then we could tie up Ron Glass into a ironclad exclusive contract! Take that, you stupid brownshirts!
//...er, browncoats.
 
2014-02-12 10:01:10 PM  
When I bought the DVD set, I didn't watch the last episode and probably never will, simply so there will always be one out there waiting for me to watch it. I love the show, but really guys, it's time to let go.
 
2014-02-12 10:07:50 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: InterruptingQuirk: qorkfiend: I could imagine a situation in which a cable channel (SyFy?) found itself desperate enough to give it a whack. It has a sizable cult following, so the first season could probably count on some reasonable ratings.

But yes, recast it. Don't try to pick up where the original left off.

Do you remember how that turned out for Stargate Universe?

/my memories have a sad now

Hey, it got better before it got the axe! I'll grant you that it was too little too late, but it was actually getting pretty good once they stopped having the characters be functional retards. From what I hear Helix suffers the same issue.


I agree.  Dollhouse was the same way, but for different reasons.  It had the same issues Agents of Shield has had in the first season - too many self-contained 'monster of the week' episodes, and too little continuity.  Towards the end of the first season and all through the second it got pretty amazing, but the networks just don't have the patience to let a show rebuild its audience if it hemorrhages viewers early on.
 
2014-02-12 10:08:45 PM  
Missed the better verse: Tell him it ain't coming back
 
2014-02-12 10:23:12 PM  

bill4935: /Plus, then we could tie up Ron Glass into a ironclad exclusive contract! Take that, you stupid brownshirts!


i60.tinypic.com

Um... I hate to break it to you, but...
 
2014-02-12 10:24:31 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: InterruptingQuirk: qorkfiend: I could imagine a situation in which a cable channel (SyFy?) found itself desperate enough to give it a whack. It has a sizable cult following, so the first season could probably count on some reasonable ratings.

But yes, recast it. Don't try to pick up where the original left off.

Do you remember how that turned out for Stargate Universe?

/my memories have a sad now

Hey, it got better before it got the axe! I'll grant you that it was too little too late, but it was actually getting pretty good once they stopped having the characters be functional retards. From what I hear Helix suffers the same issue.


I watched the first two episodes. It does.
 
2014-02-12 10:26:36 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: InterruptingQuirk: qorkfiend: I could imagine a situation in which a cable channel (SyFy?) found itself desperate enough to give it a whack. It has a sizable cult following, so the first season could probably count on some reasonable ratings.

But yes, recast it. Don't try to pick up where the original left off.

Do you remember how that turned out for Stargate Universe?

/my memories have a sad now

Hey, it got better before it got the axe! I'll grant you that it was too little too late, but it was actually getting pretty good once they stopped having the characters be functional retards. From what I hear Helix suffers the same issue.


I loved the concept and the execution. I was happy to have some regular Stargate after that thing Atlantis reared its head. I watched every episode of SGU, thankful for the sullen snarkiness and utter hopelessness driven forward by the rage of being stuck in that position which brought a wiry smile to my face each time it aired.
 
2014-02-12 10:31:14 PM  
Shorter Series =
less worthless filler (look at pretty much 100% of network shows)
less time commitment for the main cast

I would guess that pretty much ALL of them would come back if the price was right.
Except for the dead ones.
 
2014-02-12 10:31:15 PM  

sithon: animated series?


This. Thought I heard a rumor. And with todays technology, most could literally phone it in.
Star Trek did it.


But then I think, Futurama, Family Guy, Arrested Development......
Some things were better off dead.
 
2014-02-12 10:32:23 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I agree. Dollhouse was the same way, but for different reasons. It had the same issues Agents of Shield has had in the first season - too many self-contained 'monster of the week' episodes, and too little continuity. Towards the end of the first season and all through the second it got pretty amazing, but the networks just don't have the patience to let a show rebuild its audience if it hemorrhages viewers early on.


The thing about Dollhouse is that it got really interesting once they started delving into the implications of Dollhouse technology. It's a shame most of the first season sucked so terribly, because it would have been a runaway hit if they started strong. The episode in which they jumped to the post-apocalypse hit me as hard as the Battlestar Galactica finale that had them land on a planet and jump forward a number of years. It was just like, "Wow, you can do this on television?"
 
2014-02-12 10:35:16 PM  
Only as a Spaceship based sandbox game now.

Everyone has moved on, but I wouldn't mind playing in that universe for awhile.
 
2014-02-12 10:35:29 PM  
I think part of the success of Firefly was its short lifespan.  It lasted long enough to create a name for itself and a following, then was cut down in its youth.  It had no time for weirdness drift to set in, and because it had no finale episode it was left open to the fandom.

If Firefly is to carry on, at this point it should be in the form of novels.  This is the only way you can use the original cast without having to work around busy schedules or explain why everyone looks ten years older.
 
2014-02-12 10:37:45 PM  
Firefly:  The Companion Adventures
 
2014-02-12 10:38:48 PM  
I loved the show, but as the years have gone on I started to wonder if it was really sustainable in a way that wouldn't get annoying. I think I have outgrown the libertarian "No one can tell me what I can do" theme that was pretty much the driving hypothesis of the show. Other than a few "monsters" (like the blue hand group and the assassin from the movie), the Alliance was pretty much just trying to run some sort of organized universe. There was definitely a nasty element, but the vast majority of the Alliance forces in the show were trying to protect the peace, deliver medicine, or rescue ships in distress.

I also bought the Space: Above and Beyond collection. It does not seem to have stood up to time. It was awesome at the time but now seems pretty cheesy.

If they want to reboot something, The Rockford Files is still an awesome show if you can look past the suits and hair.
 
2014-02-12 10:41:25 PM  
Ill be in my bunk.
 
2014-02-12 10:43:59 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: The best way is to make it a good show this time.


lh3.ggpht.com
 
2014-02-12 10:45:20 PM  
Yeah they could have had a bunch of crappy movies by now with the cast all bloated and aged like ST.
 
2014-02-12 10:50:49 PM  

Saberus Terras: I think part of the success of Firefly was its short lifespan.


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blog.angelatung.com
 
2014-02-12 10:51:32 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Let it go, man. Let it go.


This, so much this
 
2014-02-12 10:51:59 PM  

GameSprocket: I loved the show, but as the years have gone on I started to wonder if it was really sustainable in a way that wouldn't get annoying. I think I have outgrown the libertarian "No one can tell me what I can do" theme that was pretty much the driving hypothesis of the show. Other than a few "monsters" (like the blue hand group and the assassin from the movie), the Alliance was pretty much just trying to run some sort of organized universe. There was definitely a nasty element, but the vast majority of the Alliance forces in the show were trying to protect the peace, deliver medicine, or rescue ships in distress.

I also bought the Space: Above and Beyond collection. It does not seem to have stood up to time. It was awesome at the time but now seems pretty cheesy.

If they want to reboot something, The Rockford Files is still an awesome show if you can look past the suits and hair.


I thought the Firefly Alliance was a pretty good mirror of our government. For the most part seemingly benevolent but with a hidden darkness. Your average cop or soldier means well enough and doesn't know what's going on behind the scenes. Mal would have just been your average anarchist that stumbled into that darkness a touch.
 
2014-02-12 10:52:31 PM  
Sometimes dead is betteah.

- The Doctor
 
2014-02-12 10:54:14 PM  

Zombie DJ: But then I think, Futurama, Family Guy, Arrested Development......
Some things were better off dead.


Whoa, whoa, whoa... The new season of AD that Netflix put out was fantastic. I'm also happy we got a few more seasons of Futurama - yeah lots of turds in there, but worth it for the handful of great episodes that never would have been made.
 
2014-02-12 10:59:46 PM  
I'd love a live-action Cowboy Bebop series...

Benedict C. Could play Spike!

/not really
//looks like him a bit though
 
2014-02-12 11:00:48 PM  
I think the only that that can be salvaged from the Firefly series is the setting. The cast and even the ship can't truly be made to be what they once were to so many fans.

If they're serious, they need to make Dragonfly (or something) instead. A new show set in the same era and same universe with a different ship, different crew and different stories (perhaps some from the Alliance side).
 
2014-02-12 11:01:50 PM  
There is a way:

Syndication.

That's about it.


/suck it
 
2014-02-12 11:06:09 PM  
Could go the same route as Star Trek: Renegades. Where Trek actors go to die.
 
2014-02-12 11:06:44 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: ...Look - I LOVED Firefly, and I don't think anything before or since can touch it.  I'd love to see it come back, but it was lightning in a bottle, a one-in-a-million shot.  You could recast it, but it just wouldn't work, no matter how determined and devoted the cast and writers might be.

Let.

It.

Go.


The cast was phenomenal, but it was the writing that really made it send out. The old timey, Wild West language And cadence. If you got that level of writing, you absolutely could pull it off with a new cast.
 
2014-02-12 11:07:50 PM  
I think the concept was excellent, but the execution was always, honestly, pretty mediocre.
 
2014-02-12 11:09:02 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: i wouldnt mind an Inara spin off.


She can spin off my... um.. something something.
 
2014-02-12 11:10:06 PM  

fusillade762: sithon: animated series?

Prequel movies.


A story arc about the brownshirts and revolution and all that could be really good.
 
2014-02-12 11:11:36 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: TuteTibiImperes: I agree. Dollhouse was the same way, but for different reasons. It had the same issues Agents of Shield has had in the first season - too many self-contained 'monster of the week' episodes, and too little continuity. Towards the end of the first season and all through the second it got pretty amazing, but the networks just don't have the patience to let a show rebuild its audience if it hemorrhages viewers early on.

The thing about Dollhouse is that it got really interesting once they started delving into the implications of Dollhouse technology. It's a shame most of the first season sucked so terribly, because it would have been a runaway hit if they started strong. The episode in which they jumped to the post-apocalypse hit me as hard as the Battlestar Galactica finale that had them land on a planet and jump forward a number of years. It was just like, "Wow, you can do this on television?"


The first of the apocalyptic episodes didn't even air on TV.  You had to buy the DVD set or buy the episode on iTunes to see Epitaph 1 (I think they eventually re-ran it on SyFy or something).

From what I understand they had originally planned to air it as the season one finale, but there was a disagreement with Fox about whether or not the pilot counted as the first episode of the scheduled run or not, and Fox ended up 'winning'.
 
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