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2014-02-12 10:17:50 PM

Barnabus_Duke: RanDomino: Cagey B
Someone should

Cerebral Ballsy
they should be

blacksharpiemarker
Strip him and his family of all their wealth and throw them into the street.

The One True TheDavid
how about finding a way

People, if you want these things to happen, you're going to have to organize. I'm sorry. Nobody's going to do it for you.
If you're not willing to organize, you're being about as useful as a Dilbert strip.

10 to 1 THESE people aren't poor, they are guilty feeling gotta go to Starbucks for my coffee and sit around the table with my $1600 MacBook wondering why these damn OTHER people with money don't do a damn thing to fix these poor folks problems.


Actually I manage to be Third World wealthy on $721 a month SSI and $153 a month in SNAP (formerly known as Food Stamps), this computer I'm using was obsolete 10 years ago, and it's been months since I've bought a cup of coffee anywhere.

I don't drink in bars either: for what one good outside drunk would cost me I can get drunk at home on cheap vodka every night for a week. And instead of eating out I'm learning to cook, or at least getting used to the so-called cooking I can manage. (Slow cookers are great by the way: it's hard to ruin anything or set the place on fire.)

Naturally I'm a communist and an internationalist as well. It's not only America's rich who should be deprived of their heads.

But anyway.
 
2014-02-12 10:18:24 PM

MayoSlather: We need to start measuring success by a new metric other than sheer dollars, and that's happiness. People are not happy here with this style of living. Even with our refrigerators, A/C, and an Xbox. This model of life we've made is shiatty and agrarian lifestyles show greater levels of happiness.


I think it was Sarkozy from France a few years ago that proposed an alternative to GDP which was something like Gross Happiness Product. He was summarily laughed out of the room because the goods and services a nation produces are clearly more important than whether or not that nation has content citizens.
 
2014-02-12 10:18:45 PM
His example 'poor person' wage is more than double what someone working full time for minimum wage makes in a year.
 
2014-02-12 10:20:08 PM

MayoSlather: There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.


Tell them you will write off their lifetime of debt if they go live on a dirt floor in Bangladesh for 5 years and see how many takers you get.
 
2014-02-12 10:20:49 PM

Bane of Broone: Smackledorfer: hardinparamedic: Barnabus_Duke: People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!

And when those choices are food and medication/healthcare that are essential to their survival? How many people go into crippling debt each year because of their medical expenses, OR because of predatory lending practices.

But yeah. They're all poor because they buy shiny rims and hydraulics for their caddies.

/facepalm

To add to your post:
3/5 bankruptcies in 2013 were from medical costs.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

People chose to live rather than not go into debt?!!!! Clearly the poors made their beds.


I say let em crash!
 
2014-02-12 10:21:19 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.

I guess in a sense it's a somewhat poetic argument, since it means that nobody but the lowest man on the totem pole can complain about anything. Which if the 1% were logically consistent, would mean that they wouldn't complain about marginal increases to their tax rates because somebody else has it worse. Since they aren't, they compare themselves to Jews during the Holocaust, but I dream of the day on which they shut up because some kid in Ghana is eating dirt for lunch.


Well put. It's thinking that would tell a guy that comes into the emergency room with a compound fracture to stop his bellyaching because someone else has flesh eating bacteria.
 
2014-02-12 10:25:09 PM
This is a "yes and no" thing - poor people in the US have stuff, and rarely starve. But they also very rarely own land, while many of the "dirt poor" elsewhere at least own the dirt (like the hypothetical Chinese farmer). There are many types of poverty.

On thing is certain; no matter where you live, being poor sucks.
 
2014-02-12 10:25:12 PM

Barnabus_Duke: MayoSlather: ChildOfBhaal: Simply put, those of you doubting this jerk's math are wrong, even if we allow for cost-of-living differences.  And it is a good and humbling thing to keep in mind how we won the birth lottery.  But Konheim's not saying this to urge you to donate to Oxfam.  He's saying it to attack the inequality-related message Democrats intend to use this fall.  The relative wealth, by global standards, of our poor shouldn't have anything to do with domestic public policy, though.  So, by all means, attack this dog turd.  But don't attack the truth, too.

There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.

People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!


You're right, everyone who ends up in debt made that choice.  "Seriously, I decided to get cancer, I mean why wouldn't I?"
 
2014-02-12 10:26:14 PM
Idiots like this guy need to STFU when it comes to talking about the poor as they always end up saying something that makes them look stupid.
 
2014-02-12 10:26:59 PM

Shryke: Weaver95: ah yes, the ever popular 'they have cell phones and a refrigerator, they should be happy' meme.  lovely.  just lovely.

What, precisely, do you feel they are entitled to, simply for living? Electricity? Groceries? I know you think healthcare should be free; what else? How can we best build your work-free utopia?


While we await his response, I would ask the same of you.

In a world of automation, with a very real possibility of permanently growing unemployment paired with cheaper energy and increasingly plentiful food, what do you think the unneeded human beings are entitled to?

Or is your solution something like an ever increasing wage gap and free market scraps plus more personal servants to the wealthy?


I am genuinely curious.
 
2014-02-12 10:28:27 PM

grimlock1972: Idiots like this guy need to STFU when it comes to talking about the poor as they always end up saying something that makes them look stupid.


Nah, let 'em talk. It's better for the complaining poors to know exactly how their job creators feel about them.
 
2014-02-12 10:28:43 PM
seems worth pointing out that although 99% of poor people HAVE refrigerators they do not own them, same goes for cell phones, cars, and pretty much everything
 
2014-02-12 10:28:56 PM

ChildOfBhaal: jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.

Fair enough.

MayoSlather: There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.

And I've lived some of what you're describing with my own years.  Whether one's being better off than that Bangladeshi has meaning is up to the individual, I guess.  It should have some meaning.  Just not in the national discussion of income inequality and the maldistribution of wealth.


You seriously think it's debatable on whether or not it's the same to be poor in America rather than Bangledesh?  And on your second point, for the last 30 years we've had wealth distribution from the poor and middle class up to the top, but as soon as people complain about that it's "class warfare".

Oh, and tell me about your years in poverty, I'm sure it's equatable to living on 30 dollars a month working in dangerous working conditions.
 
2014-02-12 10:29:05 PM

Smackledorfer: Weaver95: ah yes, the ever popular 'they have cell phones and a refrigerator, they should be happy' meme. lovely. just lovely.

Worse. The american poor is ONLY better off than the Indian poor because of infrastructure and safety nets.


Don't forget that the poor in the USA comprise "the global aristocracy of labor" (or of unemployment, increasingly) because the USA's ruling class has long been quite adept at ripping off the people in the so-called Third World.

When the Nazis sent the "subhumans" off to the death camps they loaded up their stuff on trains and passed it out back in the Homeland. Naturally the Hitlerites enjoyed high ratings till they actually lost the war.

If the American poor were to stop profiting from ripping off the Third World heads would surely roll. This is why the US' ruling class should be hard at work reinforcing our safety nets: if Americans ever have to go without indoor plumbing, TV and cell phones the 1% will be in trouble.

USA! USA! USA!
 
2014-02-12 10:29:57 PM

The One True TheDavid: real_headhoncho:

The pitchforks and torches are too expensive to buy.

BUY? Torches you make with sticks, rags and soybean oil, pitchforks you loot from Home Depot.

I'd rather buy a Hi-Point carbine and a Mosin Nagant, but I'm weird. And when price is not a factor I'm open to suggestions. (But no ASSAULT RIFLES firing .22LR, okay?!?)

By the way, here are links to Chuck Hawk's recoil tables for  rifles, shotguns and handguns. Just in case, you know.


No shiat. Pitchforks and torches? This is America! Real Americans will be using high power rifles and fertilizer bombs.

Or we could just organize and elect people that aren't sucking rich cawk.
 
2014-02-12 10:30:13 PM

Nutsac_Jim: MayoSlather: There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.

Tell them you will write off their lifetime of debt if they go live on a dirt floor in Bangladesh for 5 years and see how many takers you get.


Well then, next time you complain about anything just think to yourself I could be living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh and stfu. I'm sure that will provide adequate comfort.
 
2014-02-12 10:31:45 PM

iheartscotch: / do these people not realize what happens to rich, entitled people; who tell the 99% that they should eat cake?


American showers them with power, money, influence, more money, privilege, immunity from the law, even more money, adulation, worship and still more money. And guest appearances on FOX
 
2014-02-12 10:32:41 PM

RanDomino: People, if you want these things to happen, you're going to have to organize. I'm sorry. Nobody's going to do it for you.


zOMG SOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2014-02-12 10:32:43 PM

albatros183: seems worth pointing out that although 99% of poor people HAVE refrigerators they do not own them, same goes for cell phones, cars, and pretty much everything


They own their obamaphones.
 
2014-02-12 10:33:33 PM

MayoSlather: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.

I guess in a sense it's a somewhat poetic argument, since it means that nobody but the lowest man on the totem pole can complain about anything. Which if the 1% were logically consistent, would mean that they wouldn't complain about marginal increases to their tax rates because somebody else has it worse. Since they aren't, they compare themselves to Jews during the Holocaust, but I dream of the day on which they shut up because some kid in Ghana is eating dirt for lunch.

Well put. It's thinking that would tell a guy that comes into the emergency room with a compound fracture to stop his bellyaching because someone else has flesh eating bacteria.


Oddly enough, such an attitude will help one get through 99% of life.
 
2014-02-12 10:35:07 PM
Can't we just set a date for the next American Revolution?  Not that it will happen, but it will give a lot of people something to look forward too and the rich will plow a ton of money into the economy preparing for it, so why not just set a nice future date, maybe a Wednesday?
 
2014-02-12 10:37:26 PM
Please be doing the necessary in farking yourself sideways with a rake.
 
2014-02-12 10:38:22 PM

Smackledorfer: what do you think the unneeded human beings are entitled to?


Nothing. Nor the "needed" human beings. No one is entitled to a thing.
 
2014-02-12 10:39:10 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MayoSlather: We need to start measuring success by a new metric other than sheer dollars, and that's happiness. People are not happy here with this style of living. Even with our refrigerators, A/C, and an Xbox. This model of life we've made is shiatty and agrarian lifestyles show greater levels of happiness.

I think it was Sarkozy from France a few years ago that proposed an alternative to GDP which was something like Gross Happiness Product. He was summarily laughed out of the room because the goods and services a nation produces are clearly more important than whether or not that nation has content citizens.


A good metric would be the percentage of your population taking SSRI; Prozac-class of antidepressants.

For the  http://www.grossnationalhappiness.com index, it was made-up,not by France but by the country of Bhutan.
 
2014-02-12 10:39:25 PM

Nutsac_Jim: MayoSlather: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.

I guess in a sense it's a somewhat poetic argument, since it means that nobody but the lowest man on the totem pole can complain about anything. Which if the 1% were logically consistent, would mean that they wouldn't complain about marginal increases to their tax rates because somebody else has it worse. Since they aren't, they compare themselves to Jews during the Holocaust, but I dream of the day on which they shut up because some kid in Ghana is eating dirt for lunch.

Well put. It's thinking that would tell a guy that comes into the emergency room with a compound fracture to stop his bellyaching because someone else has flesh eating bacteria.

Oddly enough, such an attitude will help one get through 99% of life.


True, but it isn't enough by itself. Or are your ambitions so low that you are satisfied with 'could be worse'?

If not, why is that a valid response to the societal complaints of others?

The rich get richer as the poor get poorer, and your solution is 'shut up poors, you could be even more poor!'? How silly.
 
2014-02-12 10:40:36 PM

MayoSlather: Nutsac_Jim: MayoSlather: There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.

Tell them you will write off their lifetime of debt if they go live on a dirt floor in Bangladesh for 5 years and see how many takers you get.

Well then, next time you complain about anything just think to yourself I could be living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh and stfu. I'm sure that will provide adequate comfort.


"things could be worse" does work.  For instance, i saw a guy at Taco Bell in a wheelchair.  He had two nubs for legs.  So, no, I doubt I am going to biatch about how much my evil cable company is bending me over while they profiteer off my back.
 
2014-02-12 10:41:48 PM

iheartscotch: Shall I get the torches and the pitchforks?

/ do these people not realize what happens to rich, entitled people; who tell the 99% that they should eat cake?


Yeah, some of the aristocracy ended up losing their heads but a majority of the people who fell to the guillotine were poor people when the Reign of Terror got out of hand. Robispierre also lost his head.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_ of_Terror
 
2014-02-12 10:42:23 PM

Shryke: Smackledorfer: what do you think the unneeded human beings are entitled to?

Nothing. Nor the "needed" human beings. No one is entitled to a thing.


True, but humanity isn't a zero-sum game, since humanity's flaws are greed it makes sense to have a lower bound safety net such that the underpriviliged do not suffer.  Since we happen to be the richest country in the world, I think we can manage to give to the poor enough such that they aren't as poor as in third world countries.
 
2014-02-12 10:42:58 PM

Shryke: Smackledorfer: what do you think the unneeded human beings are entitled to?

Nothing. Nor the "needed" human beings. No one is entitled to a thing.


That was a weaselly response.

I want to see you say it: "in a world with heavy automation and no need for labor, people should starve regardless of how much food there is".

Or are you just playing obfuscatory games with "entitled"?
 
2014-02-12 10:43:23 PM
Just out of curiosity, what would be the ramifications if, say on one day, there was a mass assassination of rich people?
 
2014-02-12 10:43:29 PM

debug: Well, lets take away everything he has, give him 35k a year and plop him down in the middle of Manhattan and see how special and rich he feels.

Of course 35k is great in India.  A house costs like 20K, maybe 25k if you get electricity and running water. (yes, I made that up)


yes you did make that up. food and housing is relatively more expensive in say, hyderabad
 
2014-02-12 10:43:35 PM

Nutsac_Jim: MayoSlather: Nutsac_Jim: MayoSlather: There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.

Tell them you will write off their lifetime of debt if they go live on a dirt floor in Bangladesh for 5 years and see how many takers you get.

Well then, next time you complain about anything just think to yourself I could be living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh and stfu. I'm sure that will provide adequate comfort.

"things could be worse" does work.  For instance, i saw a guy at Taco Bell in a wheelchair.  He had two nubs for legs.  So, no, I doubt I am going to biatch about how much my evil cable company is bending me over while they profiteer off my back.


You just did.
 
2014-02-12 10:44:53 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MayoSlather: We need to start measuring success by a new metric other than sheer dollars, and that's happiness. People are not happy here with this style of living. Even with our refrigerators, A/C, and an Xbox. This model of life we've made is shiatty and agrarian lifestyles show greater levels of happiness.

I think it was Sarkozy from France a few years ago that proposed an alternative to GDP which was something like Gross Happiness Product. He was summarily laughed out of the room because the goods and services a nation produces are clearly more important than whether or not that nation has content citizens.


Well there's a correlation there to an extent, but it's not nearly as strong of one as hardcore capitalists would lead you to believe. The modern lifestyle that directly correlates happiness to increased material wealth is misery laden.

The rich aren't even happy themselves. They are people that use their wealth and status to pacify themselves. I mean truly happy people don't go on TV to tell poor people to stop whining.
 
2014-02-12 10:46:02 PM
It's rarely uttered and quickly dismissed, but every now and then someone will make the suggestion that the government should indeed attempt to provide a utopian society in order to comply with the most basic tenets upon which this nation was founded. Let me play devil's advocate for a moment...

If "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are inalienable rights, and the Constitution was written to form a government that would allow the people to secure their inalienable rights, then it must be asked what is needed to secure those basic rights and is it the responsibility of the government to ensure that citizens have them, or are at least able to secure them.
Life requires food, shelter, clothing (debatable, but preferable), healthcare and freedom from threats. The argument could be made that the government has a mandate to feed, clothe, house, care for and protect its citizens.
Liberty requires freedom from tyranny, oppression and omission. With this in mind, it could be argued that the government needs to ensure not only equal opportunity in areas of education, legal representation, employment and commerce, but also equal placement.
The pursuit of happiness is a bit more vague, but people who are pursuing their next meal, a place to live, medical treatment, blankets, etc. are pursuing life and cannot pursue happiness until the basic necessities of life are obtained.

Currently, the government does some of that and complaints come from both sides as to whether what's currently done is too much or not enough.
 
2014-02-12 10:46:14 PM

Smackledorfer: Nutsac_Jim: MayoSlather: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.

I guess in a sense it's a somewhat poetic argument, since it means that nobody but the lowest man on the totem pole can complain about anything. Which if the 1% were logically consistent, would mean that they wouldn't complain about marginal increases to their tax rates because somebody else has it worse. Since they aren't, they compare themselves to Jews during the Holocaust, but I dream of the day on which they shut up because some kid in Ghana is eating dirt for lunch.

Well put. It's thinking that would tell a guy that comes into the emergency room with a compound fracture to stop his bellyaching because someone else has flesh eating bacteria.

Oddly enough, such an attitude will help one get through 99% of life.

True, but it isn't enough by itself. Or are your ambitions so low that you are satisfied with 'could be worse'?


 Yes, that is it.  I have no ambition because my attitude is to quit crying it could be worse.
 
2014-02-12 10:46:32 PM

Weaver95: ah yes, the ever popular 'they have cell phones and a refrigerator, they should be happy' meme.  lovely.  just lovely.


yep
 
2014-02-12 10:47:35 PM

The One True TheDavid: By the way, people used to think that the Third World poor would one day be up to the First World's poverty line; instead it seems like the trend goes the other way, that it won't be long before the USA is a Third World country.


Only leftists with no understanding of economics or scarcity thought that way.
 
2014-02-12 10:48:41 PM

Via Infinito: I always thought it was only a matter of time before people start breaking out the torches and pitchforks because of rich people saying stupid crap like this.
But it hasn't happened yet, and now I'm wondering if it will happen at all. Maybe the American people really have bought into the idea that wealth = worth?


Or Americans are too tired from being overworked to say much.
 
2014-02-12 10:48:43 PM

Smackledorfer: The rich get richer as the poor get poorer, and your solution is 'shut up poors, you could be even more poor!'? How silly.


Better:  "Keep crying louder until mommy pulls over for ice cream"
 
2014-02-12 10:48:48 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: True, but humanity isn't a zero-sum game


wat

since humanity's flaws are greed

again: wat

underprivileged

I reject the term as loaded

I think we can manage to give to the poor enough such that they aren't as poor as in third world countries.

The poor in this country are lightyears apart from real poverty elsewhere, and you farking know it. The poor in this country make India's middle class look positively humble.
 
2014-02-12 10:50:52 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: You seriously think it's debatable on whether or not it's the same to be poor in America rather than Bangledesh?  And on your second point, for the last 30 years we've had wealth distribution from the poor and middle class up to the top, but as soon as people complain about that it's "class warfare".

Oh, and tell me about your years in poverty, I'm sure it's equatable to living on 30 dollars a month working in dangerous working conditions.


Your first sentence: No, I don't.  And I don't know why you are attributing this view to me.

Your second sentence:  I think you left some words out or recast the sentence in the middle or something.  But I basically get what you mean.  Since the seventies, income inequality has skyrocketed.  Which, you know, I referenced.  And not to call anything "class warfare."  Again, I don't know why you're attributing these views to me.

Your third sentence:  I'm not sure that I want to get into my personal history.  I rather doubt that you want that either.  And it would idiotic to equate my lifestyle to that of a person working in a Third World sweatshop.  Which was, you know, more or less my original point.

Go back and re-read the entire exchange that set you off, including the portions I previously deleted for brevity.  It starts at comment #62.  After you've done all that, let's try this again...
 
2014-02-12 10:51:27 PM

Nutsac_Jim: MayoSlather: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.

I guess in a sense it's a somewhat poetic argument, since it means that nobody but the lowest man on the totem pole can complain about anything. Which if the 1% were logically consistent, would mean that they wouldn't complain about marginal increases to their tax rates because somebody else has it worse. Since they aren't, they compare themselves to Jews during the Holocaust, but I dream of the day on which they shut up because some kid in Ghana is eating dirt for lunch.

Well put. It's thinking that would tell a guy that comes into the emergency room with a compound fracture to stop his bellyaching because someone else has flesh eating bacteria.

Oddly enough, such an attitude will help one get through 99% of life.


How plucky of you. You sir, are my inspiration. A pristine enlightened individual in a world full of whiners.
 
2014-02-12 10:51:37 PM

real_headhoncho: Just out of curiosity, what would be the ramifications if, say on one day, there was a mass assassination of rich people?


I think the TSA would crack down on water bottles and feel up a lot more cute women trying to board planes.
 
2014-02-12 10:51:46 PM

Shryke: Smackledorfer: what do you think the unneeded human beings are entitled to?

Nothing. Nor the "needed" human beings. No one is entitled to a thing.


True - and that extends to the law of possession - the mere fact that someone happens to have possession of something does not mean they rightfully own it, or are entitled to it, either.
Like you say - nobody is entitled to anything, and ultimately we will decide as a tribe who has what - we already do, we're just making the wrong decisions for the majority of the tribe.
If you want the law of the jungle - that can be arranged, but you might not have the substance to win at that game.
Be very careful what you wish for - you might get it.
 
2014-02-12 10:51:46 PM

Nemo's Brother: The One True TheDavid: By the way, people used to think that the Third World poor would one day be up to the First World's poverty line; instead it seems like the trend goes the other way, that it won't be long before the USA is a Third World country.

Only leftists with no understanding of economics or scarcity thought that way.


care to enlighten us, professor?
 
2014-02-12 10:51:52 PM

Fano: debug: Well, lets take away everything he has, give him 35k a year and plop him down in the middle of Manhattan and see how special and rich he feels.

Of course 35k is great in India.  A house costs like 20K, maybe 25k if you get electricity and running water. (yes, I made that up)

yes you did make that up. food and housing is relatively more expensive in say, hyderabad


More expensive than where?  Manhattan?
 
2014-02-12 10:52:45 PM

Smackledorfer: That was a weaselly response.


Are you farking kidding? That was as brutally honest as I could answer. You ASKED what I felt people were entitled to, I answered: NOTHING. HOW is that WEASELY?????? Asshole.

I want to see you say it: "in a world with heavy automation and no need for labor, people should starve regardless of how much food there is".

You fool. We are the most automated country there is, and yet we eradicated starvation long ago. You support the foolish notion ("buggy whip economics") that our economy should rely on physical labor. Why not advocate removing all automation? That includes all machines. Answer me that.
 
2014-02-12 10:53:37 PM

Shryke: Almost Everybody Poops: True, but humanity isn't a zero-sum game

wat

since humanity's flaws are greed

again: wat

underprivileged

I reject the term as loaded

I think we can manage to give to the poor enough such that they aren't as poor as in third world countries.

The poor in this country are lightyears apart from real poverty elsewhere, and you farking know it. The poor in this country make India's middle class look positively humble.


My point was that dismissing America's poor's troubles merely because they aren't as poor as others in third world countries is cruel when you're the richest nation on earth.  It goes hand in hand with the complaints that people in poverty are poor because they don't work hard enough, implying that everyone was born on an equal footing.

I'll concede that the zero-sum game made no sense, but greed is a flaw in us humans, it's why certain forms of government (Communism for example) simply do not work in practice.
 
2014-02-12 10:53:57 PM

jso2897: If you want the law of the jungle


A typical strawman. Try again please. Private property rights are not "law of the jungle". Wealth redistribution is not "enlightened".
 
2014-02-12 10:54:04 PM

geek_mars: If this guy were from "some countries we can't even name" he'd either be poor with the rest of us (not a lot of sequined gowns being sold in whatever those countries are named) or he'd need to travel in a bullet-proof vehicle with armed security everywhere he went for fear of abduction and/or murder.

What's ironic to me is how people who make $35,000.00 annually are more thankful for what they have. Thanksgiving at this guy's place must be a ton of fun. I can see him at the table, "It's hard to be thankful for all that I have when there are so-called 'poors' out there whining that my dinette set cost more than their house. If they were in India their dinette could be that much better than everyone else's, too."


I imagine it goes something like this...There are starving kids in China that would be happy to have what you have. Clean your plate.
 
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