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2014-02-12 09:31:23 PM

Via Infinito: I always thought it was only a matter of time before people start breaking out the torches and pitchforks because of rich people saying stupid crap like this.
But it hasn't happened yet, and now I'm wondering if it will happen at all. Maybe the American people really have bought into the idea that wealth = worth?


The pitchforks and torches are too expensive to buy.
 
2014-02-12 09:31:37 PM

s1ugg0: I love you.


I am glad that someone gets it.  I am tired of hearing poor people complain that we are rubbing it in their faces.  It is rude.
 
2014-02-12 09:32:05 PM

Smackledorfer: Worse. The american poor is ONLY better off than the Indian poor because of infrastructure and safety nets. These are things the right constantly speaks of eliminating (well, privatizing in the former case).

Then you have someone equally starving but now worse off because they are trapped in a country that has no place in the system for them. 3rd world areas have a place for poor people. A sucky place, but a place nonetheless.


Then imagine that person with an arsenal of legally protected firearms.
 
2014-02-12 09:32:42 PM
By the way, people used to think that the Third World poor would one day be up to the First World's poverty line; instead it seems like the trend goes the other way, that it won't be long before the USA is a Third World country.
 
2014-02-12 09:33:54 PM
Cagey B
Someone should

Cerebral Ballsy
they should be

blacksharpiemarker
Strip him and his family of all their wealth and throw them into the street.

The One True TheDavid
how about finding a way

People, if you want these things to happen, you're going to have to organize. I'm sorry. Nobody's going to do it for you.
If you're not willing to organize, you're being about as useful as a Dilbert strip.
 
2014-02-12 09:34:28 PM

lostcat: This myth that poor Americans are richer than the average people in other countries has to be dispelled.


Man, have you been to these places? The just grinding poverty of people in a lot of the third world nations is real. I don't want to minimize the plight of the poor in US, because a lot of people have it really bad. But I've never seen an elevated freeway in the US that had miles of homes built out of scraps of drywall and sheet metal and whatever they could scrap together built under it. I've never seen a person in the US wash their clothes, bath, and take drinking water from a river near their house. There are a lot of people that being poor in the US would be a step up.

Which, to reiterate, in no way justifies people like this douchebag because we're rich enough as a country that we should be able to do so much better. If poor Americans should be grateful that they're better off than poor people in other areas of the world, he should be grateful that he's richer than poor people. And he'll still be rich if we had a $15/hr minimum wage and single-payer health insurance.
 
2014-02-12 09:34:39 PM
I wish he would have compared us to Switzerland. Cashiers make like $60k/year in Zurich.
 
2014-02-12 09:34:45 PM

cwolf20: yakmans_dad: cwolf20: It's ok.  Mr. Prezzy signed an executive order to increase minimum wage so prices will increase on food etc, leaving us in the same boat we were in.  But that's all good for the government, because the higher the check amount the more taxes coming out. 

Ah working at a payroll company.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Tax part yes.  The 7.25 an hour check has an increase in taxes compared to the previous minimum wage level.


And I also know that unless a company specifies in contract that it will increase wages of those making above minimum to match the wage increase, they aren't required to.  I know mine which hasn't even gone above 10 an hour yet hasn't changed one bit through 2 of them.

Then there's, oh let's see, gas is increased in price. I enjoyed 1.25 a gallon in the 1995-97 time frame.

Milk used to be cheaper.

I used to buy more for 100 than I can now.

Fun times.
 
2014-02-12 09:36:27 PM

lostcat: This myth that poor Americans are richer than the average people in other countries has to be dispelled.

There are new millionaires popping up all over the world, in places that we like to think of as poor or developing nations. It's because the economy is shifting away from the West and towards the eastern hemisphere. People are becoming rich on real estate deals, construction, and manufacturing.

Go visit SE Asia and look at the construction projects taking place there. They can't build skyscrapers fast enough in Ho Chi Minh City.

There are still plenty of poor people all over the world, but the quality of life in the US for anyone below poverty level is getting worse. The US is expensive. Child care, health care, food and other costs are high, compared with countries like India and Thailand.

This mentality that our poor are better off than the poor in other countries is just wrong.


No, it's not. People here, the vast majority, have housing that is more than a tarp across two pallets. If you are in the US or Canada, you're a 1%er, biatching about the 1/100th%. Look at the global distribution of wealth, ffs. Yeah, it's fleeing the US for Asia, but the vast majority of it is still here, if not for long.

The mentality that just because our poor are better off means they should STFU is what is wrong.
 
2014-02-12 09:36:33 PM
And he should know, right? He pays those kids like $0.10 to make a dress he sells for $400!
 
2014-02-12 09:37:18 PM
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2014-02-12 09:37:44 PM
Simply put, those of you doubting this jerk's math are wrong, even if we allow for cost-of-living differences.  And it is a good and humbling thing to keep in mind how we won the birth lottery.  But Konheim's not saying this to urge you to donate to Oxfam.  He's saying it to attack the inequality-related message Democrats intend to use this fall.  The relative wealth, by global standards, of our poor shouldn't have anything to do with domestic public policy, though.  So, by all means, attack this dog turd.  But don't attack the truth, too.
 
2014-02-12 09:38:17 PM
Wow, I agree with that sentiment completely. I'm very surprised others here disagree. I mean, I could be paralyzed and living on maggots for food. I have it great no matter what my situation if I have a job in the US....
 
2014-02-12 09:38:28 PM

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2014-02-12 09:38:31 PM

RedPhoenix122: Cool, asshole, trade me salaries 1 year, let's see how well you do, savings untouched.


And they get to move to a new city with no contacts. Here's a slum of an apartment, a beater car, and not quite enough money to drive it back.

Also, the beater car is uninspected and has no speedometer. Can you do the Goimir Challange?
 
2014-02-12 09:45:14 PM
Somebody needs to remind these guys about what happened to about 90% of America's great fortunes in The Depression - it wasn't just the working class and the bourgoise who took it in the rump.
And the disparity and maldisribution of wealth is verging on the numbers we had when we slid into that depression - and if it happens again, it's going to be worse than last time - and that's just the economics - there will be social upheaval too, and we don't know how bad. These people are walking on very thin ice, and at this point only the cream of the crop - the Gates and Buffets - seem to realize it.
 
2014-02-12 09:47:05 PM
Well then if the poor have it so well then surely he won't mind having much less. After all if people are just belly aching and actually living lives of comfort then it really doesn't matter if you're one of them.
 
2014-02-12 09:47:16 PM

RanDomino: Cagey B
Someone should

Cerebral Ballsy
they should be

blacksharpiemarker
Strip him and his family of all their wealth and throw them into the street.

The One True TheDavid
how about finding a way

People, if you want these things to happen, you're going to have to organize. I'm sorry. Nobody's going to do it for you.
If you're not willing to organize, you're being about as useful as a Dilbert strip.


10 to 1 THESE people aren't poor, they are guilty feeling gotta go to Starbucks for my coffee and sit around the table with my $1600 MacBook wondering why these damn OTHER people with money don't do a damn thing to fix these poor folks problems. Then finish up their  wonderments with visions of hateful Repubs like GWB and Sarah in their brains! But STILL no involvement on their part to help!
/I ain't helpin'
//STILL hate po' folks...
///and STILL waitin' for Jeeves to bring me that BL!!!
 
2014-02-12 09:48:42 PM

yakmans_dad: cwolf20: It's ok.  Mr. Prezzy signed an executive order to increase minimum wage so prices will increase on food etc, leaving us in the same boat we were in.  But that's all good for the government, because the higher the check amount the more taxes coming out. 

Ah working at a payroll company.

You don't know what you're talking about.


Neither do you - he writes at about a fourth grade level, and any claim on your part to have divined any meaning from that word salad is self deluded.
 
2014-02-12 09:49:10 PM

ongbok: So are we now holding our standards to a third world country? What ever happened to the American Exceptionalism that they kept screaming about last election?


We want our poor to be Exceptionally poor.
 
2014-02-12 09:49:57 PM
Conservatives are relentless in trying to change the definition of poverty from an income based standard to one based on where people spend their money. Whether they spend it on hookers or dump it in the collection plate, they'll still be  poor.
 
2014-02-12 09:50:47 PM

ChildOfBhaal: Simply put, those of you doubting this jerk's math are wrong, even if we allow for cost-of-living differences.  And it is a good and humbling thing to keep in mind how we won the birth lottery.  But Konheim's not saying this to urge you to donate to Oxfam.  He's saying it to attack the inequality-related message Democrats intend to use this fall.  The relative wealth, by global standards, of our poor shouldn't have anything to do with domestic public policy, though.  So, by all means, attack this dog turd.  But don't attack the truth, too.


Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.
 
2014-02-12 09:51:12 PM
real_headhoncho:

The pitchforks and torches are too expensive to buy.

BUY? Torches you make with sticks, rags and soybean oil, pitchforks you loot from Home Depot.

I'd rather buy a Hi-Point carbine and a Mosin Nagant, but I'm weird. And when price is not a factor I'm open to suggestions. (But no ASSAULT RIFLES firing .22LR, okay?!?)

By the way, here are links to Chuck Hawk's recoil tables for  rifles, shotguns and handguns. Just in case, you know.
 
2014-02-12 09:51:40 PM

ChildOfBhaal: Simply put, those of you doubting this jerk's math are wrong, even if we allow for cost-of-living differences.  And it is a good and humbling thing to keep in mind how we won the birth lottery.  But Konheim's not saying this to urge you to donate to Oxfam.  He's saying it to attack the inequality-related message Democrats intend to use this fall.  The relative wealth, by global standards, of our poor shouldn't have anything to do with domestic public policy, though.  So, by all means, attack this dog turd.  But don't attack the truth, too.


There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.
 
2014-02-12 09:52:50 PM
I'm sick to death of this "Poor Americans have it better than the rest of the world so stop complaining" bullshiat. We're the richest country in the world. Our poor people SHOULD have it better than the rest of the world.
 
2014-02-12 09:53:13 PM
To be fair, his actual taxable income was probably $35k last year, and HE's not having any difficulties making ends meet.
 
2014-02-12 09:53:13 PM
Did he argue that American poors are obese, thereby conflating crappy corn-syrup based foods with affluence?
 
2014-02-12 09:54:59 PM

blacksho89: lostcat: This myth that poor Americans are richer than the average people in other countries has to be dispelled.

There are new millionaires popping up all over the world, in places that we like to think of as poor or developing nations. It's because the economy is shifting away from the West and towards the eastern hemisphere. People are becoming rich on real estate deals, construction, and manufacturing.

Go visit SE Asia and look at the construction projects taking place there. They can't build skyscrapers fast enough in Ho Chi Minh City.

There are still plenty of poor people all over the world, but the quality of life in the US for anyone below poverty level is getting worse. The US is expensive. Child care, health care, food and other costs are high, compared with countries like India and Thailand.

This mentality that our poor are better off than the poor in other countries is just wrong.

No, it's not. People here, the vast majority, have housing that is more than a tarp across two pallets. If you are in the US or Canada, you're a 1%er, biatching about the 1/100th%. Look at the global distribution of wealth, ffs. Yeah, it's fleeing the US for Asia, but the vast majority of it is still here, if not for long.

The mentality that just because our poor are better off means they should STFU is what is wrong.


Once again: this is only due to our safety nets and welfare, which the zomg refrigerator crowd wants to eliminate. Those are paid for by taxing the middle and above, which those same folks want to cut.

Or borrowing, which they want to eliminate.
 
2014-02-12 09:56:32 PM

MayoSlather: ChildOfBhaal: Simply put, those of you doubting this jerk's math are wrong, even if we allow for cost-of-living differences.  And it is a good and humbling thing to keep in mind how we won the birth lottery.  But Konheim's not saying this to urge you to donate to Oxfam.  He's saying it to attack the inequality-related message Democrats intend to use this fall.  The relative wealth, by global standards, of our poor shouldn't have anything to do with domestic public policy, though.  So, by all means, attack this dog turd.  But don't attack the truth, too.

There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.


People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!
 
2014-02-12 09:59:12 PM

Via Infinito: I always thought it was only a matter of time before people start breaking out the torches and pitchforks because of rich people saying stupid crap like this.
But it hasn't happened yet, and now I'm wondering if it will happen at all. Maybe the American people really have bought into the idea that wealth = worth?


When much of the country starts looking like Detroit and people can't find food, shelter, or enough clean water?

Yeah, then it'll happen. People are too comfortable right now.
 
2014-02-12 09:59:17 PM

Barnabus_Duke: People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!


And when those choices are food and medication/healthcare that are essential to their survival? How many people go into crippling debt each year because of their medical expenses, OR because of predatory lending practices.

But yeah. They're all poor because they buy shiny rims and hydraulics for their caddies.

/facepalm
 
2014-02-12 09:59:56 PM

Goimir: RedPhoenix122: Cool, asshole, trade me salaries 1 year, let's see how well you do, savings untouched.

And they get to move to a new city with no contacts. Here's a slum of an apartment, a beater car, and not quite enough money to drive it back.

Also, the beater car is uninspected and has no speedometer. Can you do the Goimir Challange?


Any temporary challenge is easy enough. It is the lack of hope and the crushing odds that make poverty suck. It isn't one year of long hours and a tightened belt.

A strong enough safety net so that failed attempts to climb out of poverty don't result in sliding all the way back down could fix that. Don't know how we would accomplish that. Cheaper education and healthcare are good starts.
 
2014-02-12 10:02:15 PM

hardinparamedic: And when those choices are food and medication/healthcare that are essential to their survival? How many people go into crippling debt each year because of their medical expenses, OR because of predatory lending practices.


Or the insanely competitive job market place that means you now are competing against someone with a 4 year degree, if not a grad degree, for positions that used to be filled with people fresh out of high school, virtually requiring you to have a degree if you want to do anything but say "do you want fries with that?" for the rest of your life.
 
2014-02-12 10:02:26 PM
Well, lets take away everything he has, give him 35k a year and plop him down in the middle of Manhattan and see how special and rich he feels.

Of course 35k is great in India.  A house costs like 20K, maybe 25k if you get electricity and running water. (yes, I made that up)
 
2014-02-12 10:03:30 PM

Barnabus_Duke: MayoSlather: ChildOfBhaal: Simply put, those of you doubting this jerk's math are wrong, even if we allow for cost-of-living differences.  And it is a good and humbling thing to keep in mind how we won the birth lottery.  But Konheim's not saying this to urge you to donate to Oxfam.  He's saying it to attack the inequality-related message Democrats intend to use this fall.  The relative wealth, by global standards, of our poor shouldn't have anything to do with domestic public policy, though.  So, by all means, attack this dog turd.  But don't attack the truth, too.

There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.

People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!


If you make ten bucks an hour and don't have health insurance (and yes if you live in a red state then there's still a good chance you don't have adequate coverage) it's pretty much a given you're going to be in debt.

You think it's about choices, but almost no one is that prudent with that salary.
 
2014-02-12 10:05:00 PM

jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.


Fair enough.

MayoSlather: There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.


And I've lived some of what you're describing with my own years.  Whether one's being better off than that Bangladeshi has meaning is up to the individual, I guess.  It should have some meaning.  Just not in the national discussion of income inequality and the maldistribution of wealth.
 
2014-02-12 10:05:03 PM

jso2897: Well, this is what I call "True Bullshiat" - technically, it's true - but in it's intended meaning, it's bullshiat.


I guess in a sense it's a somewhat poetic argument, since it means that nobody but the lowest man on the totem pole can complain about anything. Which if the 1% were logically consistent, would mean that they wouldn't complain about marginal increases to their tax rates because somebody else has it worse. Since they aren't, they compare themselves to Jews during the Holocaust, but I dream of the day on which they shut up because some kid in Ghana is eating dirt for lunch.
 
2014-02-12 10:05:03 PM

Weaver95: ah yes, the ever popular 'they have cell phones and a refrigerator, they should be happy' meme.  lovely.  just lovely.


If they should quit biatching, how much more should people with his wealth stfu about others?
 
2014-02-12 10:05:14 PM

Barnabus_Duke: MayoSlather: ChildOfBhaal: Simply put, those of you doubting this jerk's math are wrong, even if we allow for cost-of-living differences.  And it is a good and humbling thing to keep in mind how we won the birth lottery.  But Konheim's not saying this to urge you to donate to Oxfam.  He's saying it to attack the inequality-related message Democrats intend to use this fall.  The relative wealth, by global standards, of our poor shouldn't have anything to do with domestic public policy, though.  So, by all means, attack this dog turd.  But don't attack the truth, too.

There are Americans in dismal states of poverty, I've seen it with my own eyes. There are Americans in their twenties with a lifetime of debt, and Americans stressed about being able to pay rent each month. Telling them they're better off than some guy living on a dirt floor in Bangladesh really is meaningless.

People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!


You've got to be farking kidding me.
 
2014-02-12 10:07:15 PM

iheartscotch: Shall I get the torches and the pitchforks?

/ do these people not realize what happens to rich, entitled people; who tell the 99% that they should eat cake?


Nothing. Nothing happens to them. There will be no guillotines, no uprising of the poor, and no Wall Street bankers lined up against a wall. It's just not going to happen, so you might as well stop fantasizing about it. The rich figured out a long time ago that they don't have to worry about fighting us as long as they keep us busy fighting each other. Even if you were able to rouse a large group of poor people to revolt, there would be an even larger group of brave patriots there to fight you and defend their wealthy masters in the hopes that they might get a few table scraps in thanks. Nothing is going to change. The wealth and power are going to continue to become ever more consolidated in the hands of the few elite, and less and less will be left for the rest of us. The rich will continue to live their lives of luxury in their segregated communities while the poor people fight to the death in a gutter over a half-eaten rat carcass. There will be no French-style revolution in America in my lifetime, if ever. We go down with a whimper rather than a bang.
 
2014-02-12 10:08:11 PM

hardinparamedic: Barnabus_Duke: People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!

And when those choices are food and medication/healthcare that are essential to their survival? How many people go into crippling debt each year because of their medical expenses, OR because of predatory lending practices.

But yeah. They're all poor because they buy shiny rims and hydraulics for their caddies.

/facepalm


To add to your post:
3/5 bankruptcies in 2013 were from medical costs.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
 
2014-02-12 10:10:15 PM
I'm sure the attitude has always been this way. It's just that it's never been this out in the open. They would think letting us eat cake would be taking it too easy on us.
 
2014-02-12 10:10:34 PM

jso2897: yakmans_dad: cwolf20: It's ok.  Mr. Prezzy signed an executive order to increase minimum wage so prices will increase on food etc, leaving us in the same boat we were in.  But that's all good for the government, because the higher the check amount the more taxes coming out. 

Ah working at a payroll company.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Neither do you - he writes at about a fourth grade level, and any claim on your part to have divined any meaning from that word salad is self deluded.


Well put.
 
2014-02-12 10:10:50 PM

hardinparamedic: Weaver95: ah yes, the ever popular 'they have cell phones and a refrigerator, they should be happy' meme.  lovely.  just lovely.

Did you know that some of them EVEN have PS2 and Xboxes?

PINOS, all of them.


They are outdated XBox360s not XBoxOnes.  What a clown argument.  I wipe my ass with an XBox360 every morning just for spite.
 
2014-02-12 10:11:30 PM

Smackledorfer: hardinparamedic: Barnabus_Duke: People go INTO debt, it doesn't just appear from out of nowhere. Yes, sometimes shiat happens, but CHOICES people!!! Choose wisely and take some farking responsibility!!!!!!

And when those choices are food and medication/healthcare that are essential to their survival? How many people go into crippling debt each year because of their medical expenses, OR because of predatory lending practices.

But yeah. They're all poor because they buy shiny rims and hydraulics for their caddies.

/facepalm

To add to your post:
3/5 bankruptcies in 2013 were from medical costs.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148


People chose to live rather than not go into debt?!!!! Clearly the poors made their beds.
 
2014-02-12 10:11:46 PM
Which is why Occupy Wall Street and any sort of action against the US corporate/banking machine fails. As long as most people have an SUV in the driveway, a 42" TV and are doing better than the brown people they'll turn a blind eye to the robber barons.
 
2014-02-12 10:12:36 PM
The answer to accusations of vast income inequality is not "butbut you could be even poorer and less equal!" We're an amazing country in many respects, but it does not respect the ideas of our Founding Fathers to shrug off societal issues as "meh, could be worse".
 
2014-02-12 10:13:57 PM
If this guy were from "some countries we can't even name" he'd either be poor with the rest of us (not a lot of sequined gowns being sold in whatever those countries are named) or he'd need to travel in a bullet-proof vehicle with armed security everywhere he went for fear of abduction and/or murder.

What's ironic to me is how people who make $35,000.00 annually are more thankful for what they have. Thanksgiving at this guy's place must be a ton of fun. I can see him at the table, "It's hard to be thankful for all that I have when there are so-called 'poors' out there whining that my dinette set cost more than their house. If they were in India their dinette could be that much better than everyone else's, too."
 
2014-02-12 10:14:40 PM
We need to start measuring success by a new metric other than sheer dollars, and that's happiness. People are not happy here with this style of living. Even with our refrigerators, A/C, and an Xbox. This model of life we've made is shiatty and agrarian lifestyles show greater levels of happiness.

Even with that being said given the level of productivity increases we've seen there shouldn't be an American out there who is wanting for anything, and that right there says there's a real problem with the distribution of wealth. If the richest country on the planet isn't even that wealthy then we've got a real global problem here.
 
2014-02-12 10:16:38 PM

Weaver95: ah yes, the ever popular 'they have cell phones and a refrigerator, they should be happy' meme.  lovely.  just lovely.


What, precisely, do you feel they are entitled to, simply for living? Electricity? Groceries? I know you think healthcare should be free; what else? How can we best build your work-free utopia?
 
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