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2014-02-12 07:56:19 PM  

Kujira: Does that distinction really matter so much? Are we so concerned about mislabeling those assholes?


I personally find the distinction to be important.  Hell, Elvis liked 'em young, like 14 and Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin.  And some teen girls definitely look older.  So yes, distinguishing between a guy that like's 'em young and a guy who wants to put his junk into a prepubescent child is important.
Two completely different types of asshole, both criminals though.

/just sayin'
 
2014-02-12 08:00:52 PM  

doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.


MAYBE some of them are sick, the rest of them are just shiatheads who are too socially awkward to get with chicks their own age so they troll the internet preying on those who aren't experienced. That isn't a sickness, it is a crime.
 
2014-02-12 08:01:04 PM  

fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


Guilty before proven Innocent in 'Merka!
 
2014-02-12 08:02:10 PM  

LoneWolf343: dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.

I'm convinced that we only capture the dumb pedophiles. Others are either too smart to go after kids, or too rich to be prosecuted.


globaldiscussion.net
 
2014-02-12 08:02:32 PM  

Nem Wan: This is legal in a majority of jurisdictions. Only 20 states have an age of consent higher than 16.


You might want to look a little closer. I believe most of the places where it is 16 and 17 have a "Romeo and Juliet" clause requiring that they be within 3 years of age. I am pretty sure a 35 year old banging a 16 year old is illegal in the majority of states.
 
2014-02-12 08:06:39 PM  

Nem Wan: These pedophiles seem like people so socially incompetent, their own sexual development as children was consistently rejected by their peers as unattractive or unsophisticated, and they haven't gotten any better. They probably contacted cops because they were utter failures contacting anyone else. Getting caught like this ought to be a ticket to psychiatric help rather than jail.


That's as good of a reason to explain their behaviour as I've heard. When I read these stories I just wonder to myself, how can so many people be so stupid? Who in their right mind would take a chance like that, risk their entire lives and livelihood for a chance to nail a teenager who's likely a police officer anyway?
 
2014-02-12 08:07:23 PM  

Nem Wan: These pedophiles seem like people so socially incompetent, their own sexual development as children was consistently rejected by their peers as unattractive or unsophisticated, and they haven't gotten any better. They probably contacted cops because they were utter failures contacting anyone else.


Except this guy, who is married with kids:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14623014

Or this guy who BROUGHT his wife and kid:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2448233/Florida-man-took-wif e- daughter-meet-girl-14-grooming-online.html

Or this pastor who drove 200 miles in his wife's car to meet a 13 year old girl:
http://www.wnd.com/2008/05/64583/

Should I go on? Because I can.
 
2014-02-12 08:08:24 PM  

Quaker: A pair of latex gloves is a lot cheaper than a ten-pack of condoms. Maybe he's just on a budget.


+1
 
2014-02-12 08:09:17 PM  

Nix Nightbird: miss diminutive: Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.

At what point do they decide that a crime would've been committed, though? Your suggestion of waiting for them to take off their pants doesn't imply they would've gone through with it either. Besides, how do you get them to take their pants off in the first place?

That "Catch a Predator" show actually had an actress who looked and sounded about 14-15 who was in on the sting. The guys all saw her and interacted with her, then she'd step into a room and then Chris Hansen would do his "have a seat over there" bit. At the point that they saw the girl who both looked and said she was underage and then didn't leave is about as close to committing the act without going through with it.

But here, they had no girl. Here, they busted the guys when they pulled into the driveway.

So who's to say they would have gone through with anything? Maybe one of these guys would have been guilt-ridden and walked away without doing anything wrong.

I think "pants around ankles" is a good indication that a rape might occur. Until then, it's just intention (or maybe even nervous consideration) and hasn't harmed anyone yet.

It's a step away from thought-crime. It doesn't seem right to me to grab them the moment they show up ...


But what if the guy with his pants around his ankles would have reconsidered and stopped just short of penetration?  To be safe we should probably get the underage-looking cops to have sex with them.  Until they've actually been witnessed in the act of sex with a minor, they haven't technically done anything wrong no matter how many reams of text you have of them soliciting a sexual encounter for which they showed up with condoms and candy.

It's the only way to be sure!
 
2014-02-12 08:09:17 PM  
What about the parents of these children? Why aren't they supervising them when they are on the internet and making sure they are safe?  Bad parenting 101.
 
2014-02-12 08:09:20 PM  
Maybe he needed help gettingout of his "Rock monster" costume.. Maebe.
 
2014-02-12 08:10:12 PM  

jwa007: Kujira: Does that distinction really matter so much? Are we so concerned about mislabeling those assholes?

I personally find the distinction to be important.  Hell, Elvis liked 'em young, like 14 and Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin.  And some teen girls definitely look older.  So yes, distinguishing between a guy that like's 'em young and a guy who wants to put his junk into a prepubescent child is important.
Two completely different types of asshole, both criminals though.

/just sayin'


That makes sense; I can see your point. Thank you.

In terms of the legality of the issue, I don't care about the distinction. A person who acts on their impulses in an illegal way should be punished accordingly, regardless of how young they like 'em.
 
2014-02-12 08:10:20 PM  

MissesThePoint: What about the parents of these children? Why aren't they supervising them when they are on the internet and making sure they are safe?  Bad parenting 101.


I less than three you.
 
2014-02-12 08:11:57 PM  

FunkOut: One guy had HIV. They charged him for failing to mention it.


HIV, or High V?

Cause everybody love High Vs.
 
2014-02-12 08:14:04 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.

True, and 16 really shouldn't be considered a child. These guys deserve to be arrested for being skeevy dumbasses.


In my state 16 is legal.
Really.
A female who can bleed in the service of mankind is no child.
A male who can sow the seed of his line is no child.
The extended adolescence placed on today's young people is responsible for so many people being socially retarded.
But the lack of discipline leaves them vacant of true values.
But if I see some 35 year old pull up to pickup my 14yo grand daughter...well....lets just say the fish shall feast.
She who loves pillowfights has been mentioned....off for some loving harassment...water pistols loaded and dripping.
 
2014-02-12 08:21:17 PM  

Nem Wan: Only 20 states have an age of consent higher than 16.


California is one of them--and that's what gets written by Hollywood script writers into television and movies, so a lot of people both inside and outside the US have this idea that the AoC in the US is universally 18.1  In fact California's AoC law--18 with no "Romeo & Juliet" exception that allows sex between minors who are within a couple of years of each other in age--is one of the strictest in the U.S. and likely in the entire developed world.

Federally, the AoC is 18 for things like the Mann Act (the famous "transporting a minor across state lines for immoral purposes") and whatever law says you can't leave the USA to go fark minors in some foreign country regardless of the local AoC at your destination.

1
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoCalization
 
2014-02-12 08:21:41 PM  

jst3p: doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.

MAYBE some of them are sick, the rest of them are just shiatheads who are too socially awkward to get with chicks their own age so they troll the internet preying on those who aren't experienced. That isn't a sickness, it is a crime.


Sickness leads to crime. Do you think mentally stable people knock over banks or send anthranx laden letters to people they see on TV? Hell no. If we're lucky enough to get to them before they actually vicimize anyone for real, we could do more constructive things tgan just toss them in jail.

Hell, a few years ago Kevin Smith interviewed a woman who was caught and exploited at the age of 14 by an actual predetor in Texas. Sminterviews. Might still be online. I forget which one exactly, but the podcast was short lived. Only a few epps to dig through . Good listen. Might temper some indignation here to hear it from the victim's side. There wasn't anger, just sorrow for the poor, broken creature he was. Like Gollum.
 
2014-02-12 08:24:31 PM  

megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."



Comments like these are why I heart you
 
2014-02-12 08:24:43 PM  

doglover: megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."

Not really.

Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals. They tried to be criminals, but only because the police goaded them to inflate arrest numbers.

They should still be somewhere, but a hospital seems like a better place. Sgt Hatred from the Venture Bros and his "Molestol" injections are a parody of what we should actually be doing here. It's entirely possible for these people to be useful and safe with treatment.

Those who actually do anything? Send them to the same farm your childhood dog went to when he died. But stings are almost always the laziest, most morally dubious form of policework. Stings and speed traps.


You know, that is a much more compassionate and probably proactive way of looking at it. Quite seriously no snark intended.
 
2014-02-12 08:27:19 PM  

doglover: jst3p: doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.

MAYBE some of them are sick, the rest of them are just shiatheads who are too socially awkward to get with chicks their own age so they troll the internet preying on those who aren't experienced. That isn't a sickness, it is a crime.

Sickness leads to crime. Do you think mentally stable people knock over banks or send anthranx laden letters to people they see on TV? Hell no. If we're lucky enough to get to them before they actually vicimize anyone for real, we could do more constructive things tgan just toss them in jail.

Hell, a few years ago Kevin Smith interviewed a woman who was caught and exploited at the age of 14 by an actual predetor in Texas. Sminterviews. Might still be online. I forget which one exactly, but the podcast was short lived. Only a few epps to dig through . Good listen. Might temper some indignation here to hear it from the victim's side. There wasn't anger, just sorrow for the poor, broken creature he was. Like Gollum.



Not all crime is caused by sickness. I find your argument less than compelling. My dad and both brothers spent time in San Quentin. They will even tell you that they are not sick, they were just selfish assholes.

/they are all doing much better now
//both brothers living a straight life
///one married with two kids and owns his own roofing business
 
2014-02-12 08:29:09 PM  

Mr.Hawk: megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."


Comments like these are why I heart you


I swear I'm not experienced in picking up underage chicks. Hold on, someone's knocking at my door.
 
2014-02-12 08:33:05 PM  
I wonder what would happen if one of them started out like this:

B1gJuan: Hi, I like to role play with cops, can you pretend to be a 13 year old girl for me?
LiLKitten: lolz! but I AM a 13 year old girl.
B1gJuan: Good, so you will play along officer?
LiLKitten: huh? idk what you are talking about but I was hoping you were an older guy that wants to teach me about sex! And bring wine coolers!


Think they would have a defense?
 
2014-02-12 08:33:24 PM  

megarian: I swear I'm not experienced in picking up underage chicks. Hold on, someone's knocking at my door.


Whos that knocking on my door
Its gotta be a quarter to four
Is it you again coming round for more
Well you can love me tonight if you want
But in the morning make sure you're gone
Im talkin to you
Hot legs, wearing me out
Hot legs, you can scream and shout
Hot legs, are you still in school
I love you honey
Gotta most persuasive tongue
You promise all kinds of fun
But what you don't understand
Im a working man
Gonna need a shot of vitamin e
By the time you're finished with me
Im talking to you
Hot legs, you're an alley cat
Hot legs, you scratch my back
Hot legs, bring your mother too
I love you honey
Imagine how my daddy felt
In your jet black says 'bang me' belt
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four
 
2014-02-12 08:34:01 PM  

fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


Arrests are public records in FL (and I think everywhere). That's why booking photos ("mug shots") are so widely available.
 
2014-02-12 08:37:48 PM  
rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four


Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?
 
2014-02-12 08:39:05 PM  
Seventeen.

Why, yes I have been drinking. Thank you!
 
2014-02-12 08:39:06 PM  

megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?


High Schools.
 
2014-02-12 08:40:39 PM  

jst3p: megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?

High Schools.


Teachers would ever do such a thing. And security in schools is top notch.
 
2014-02-12 08:48:32 PM  

megarian: jst3p: megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?

High Schools.

Teachers would ever do such a thing. And security in schools is top notch.


That's why we need more teachers with guns...or something.
 
2014-02-12 08:49:56 PM  

solokumba: Why don't they all dress up like postmen?
[media3.policymic.com image 840x530]

 I feel happy, I feel gay

Cause I come twice a day.
I'm your mailman.
I don't mess with keys on locks,
I just stick it in your box.
I'm your mailman.
I can come in any kind of weather,
For you see my bag is made of leather.
I'm your mailman.
Oh! Pat you knockers, ring your chimes,
For you see mine is fine.
I'm your mailman,
With the longest route in town.
 
2014-02-12 08:50:10 PM  

megarian: doglover: megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."

Not really.

Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals. They tried to be criminals, but only because the police goaded them to inflate arrest numbers.

They should still be somewhere, but a hospital seems like a better place. Sgt Hatred from the Venture Bros and his "Molestol" injections are a parody of what we should actually be doing here. It's entirely possible for these people to be useful and safe with treatment.

Those who actually do anything? Send them to the same farm your childhood dog went to when he died. But stings are almost always the laziest, most morally dubious form of policework. Stings and speed traps.

You know, that is a much more compassionate and probably proactive way of looking at it. Quite seriously no snark intended.


That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.
 
2014-02-12 08:57:50 PM  

fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


ARE YOU HIGH?
 
2014-02-12 08:59:34 PM  
one man who brought a Happy Meal with him to meet what he thought was a girl between 12 and 14 years old.

What kind of 13 year old would eat a Happy Meal?
 
2014-02-12 09:01:50 PM  
Came here for pics of 16 year old chicks...leaving disappointed. I'm kidding!

Kinda on topic...happy meals used to be better when they came with little toys and prizes...easier to lure the kiddies...I'm kidding!
 
2014-02-12 09:04:21 PM  

megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?


Certain sects of the Quran when translated incorrectly. No word on their virginal state though
 
2014-02-12 09:06:06 PM  
Ringo Starr: "you're 16, you're beautiful and you're mine."

Have a seat over there.
 
2014-02-12 09:06:52 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.


My friend and his wife do something similar. They troll chat rooms for kids being dumb, get an address, and report them to the parents / authorities. Not because the kid is necessarily doing anything illegal, but if they do it once it's probably not the first time. Nor are the kids likely to stop chatting like this without a little intervention.

His neice chatted with a guy who was supposedly 19 when she was 14. Fortunately her computer crashed and he had to work on it. 14 year old girls are, he said in a bit of shock after seeing the chat transcripts (between her, the '19 year old', her friends), quite graphic...

Hence why they troll for kids to report now. Stopping kid stupidity, one at a time. Waking lazy parents up to intarwebs dangers too.
 
2014-02-12 09:07:00 PM  

farkinglizardking: megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?

Certain sects sections of the Quran when translated incorrectly. No word on their virginal state though


FTFM.
/Preview, always preview
//Another sip of vodak
 
2014-02-12 09:08:17 PM  

joaquin closet: Ringo Starr: "you're 16, you're beautiful and you're mine."

Have a seat over there.


Didn't Jimmy Page kidnap a 14 year old? And then there's Saville and co., all accused of sexual assault and rape.

What is it about British entertainers?
 
2014-02-12 09:08:27 PM  

jwa007: Cerebral Ballsy: I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy,

You seem to be saying that it might be okay for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old?  Are you serious?  A twenty-five year old man, or thirty or forty year old man and you are cool with them having sex with a 16  year old?

Really?


I'm a 40 YO man and I had regular sex with 15 year old girls.  Of course I was 15 at the time...
 
2014-02-12 09:15:36 PM  
doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.
 
2014-02-12 09:17:14 PM  
FTA's link: Additional Charges: Sex Acts with Child through Assignation


What part of a child is the "assignation"?
 
2014-02-12 09:48:50 PM  

megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.


People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...
 
2014-02-12 09:51:23 PM  

Cybernetic: fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.

Arrests are public records in FL (and I think everywhere). That's why booking photos ("mug shots") are so widely available.


Yup, around here most of the local news websites have a link to the local police blotters with mugshot and what the arrest was for.

Some convienent stores around here sell a crappily put together paper for a dollar that shows the same. They get it from public records.

/Florida
 
2014-02-12 09:55:17 PM  
Sort of off topic but I this year I finally made love to my High School crush. It was pretty great but now things are kinda weird. She just assumes I will take her to her Prom.


/apologies to Amy Schmur
 
2014-02-12 10:01:37 PM  

doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...


doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...


Embrace this moment.
 
2014-02-12 10:04:09 PM  
and I DON'T KNOW WHY it quoted twice but I did something wrong.

HTML on my phone is not helpful.
 
2014-02-12 10:06:51 PM  

doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...


No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".
 
2014-02-12 10:09:18 PM  

farkinglizardking: Didn't Jimmy Page kidnap a 14 year old? And then there's Saville and co., all accused of sexual assault and rape.

What is it about British entertainers?


Don't forget about Steven Tyler taking a 15 year old on tour with him in the 70s
 
2014-02-12 10:26:28 PM  

jst3p: doglover: jst3p: doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.

Not all crime is caused by sickness. I find your argument less than compelling. My dad and both brothers spent time in San Quentin. They will even tell you that they are not sick, they were just selfish assholes.


Selfish assholism is a KIND of sick
/Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur...
 
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