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2014-02-12 05:36:50 PM  
I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.
 
2014-02-12 05:48:40 PM  

dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.


s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-12 05:49:50 PM  
There's some gold in the arrest records below the article...

Arrestee's Reported Employer:Rachel's Strip Club Orlando, FL
Arrestee's Reported Employer:Walt Disney World
(x3, no less)
Arrestee's Reported Employer:Orange County Fire Rescue --Paramedic
Arrestee's Reported Employer:Put-Put Golf


Many of them brought condoms, but some brought other stuff...

Items Arrestee Brought:Latex gloves
Items Arrestee Brought:Knife


Riding in style:

Vehicle Seized:2005 Lexus IS 300

And I'm hoping the elements of this charge aren't as broad as it sounds:

Charges: Traveling to Meet a Minor
 
2014-02-12 05:56:13 PM  
Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.
 
2014-02-12 05:57:36 PM  

dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.


Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

There's all kinds of mental disorders you can fark you up in the head and make you susceptible to all kinds of shiat. Wet Brain, for example So take someone who's basically in dire need of hospitalization without knowing it, and then lean on them slowly. Say, start on a website like fark and reply to their comment. Then pretend to open up. (btw I'm in Indiana, too) Then you flatter them a bit, because maybe they made an intelligent and funny post like your own. Finally, you invite them to a private chat where anything is possible and get them all worked up somehow, then drop the bomb that you're actually underage but it's okay. Now a normal person wouldn't fall for even the first step, but someone with problems will fall hook, line, and sinker to the point where you could probably tell them "I am a cop and I will arrest you, but come over anyway." and they'd still show up.

That's what it usually is with "terrorists" and "dealers" the feds catch. There was that story last year where the FBI hired a guy who was legally retarded and gave him a job at a store they used as a front for fake heroin dealing or something. Then they made the sting they were after, but they sent him to jail, too, even though he didn't do anything but what federal agents told him to do. At no point was any of it really illegal, either. That's the quality of human being you get in law enforcement. It's all about the bust, even if you have to make the criminals first.

Real pedophiles, statistically, aren't looking for strangers online. It's the parents, the cousins, the family friends who you have to watch out for. And according to the news, female teachers; but I don't buy that as being a widespread problem so much as overpopulation combined with data mining. With more than 320,000,000 people to choose from, there's still only a few stories each year.
 
2014-02-12 06:04:08 PM  

MrBallou: dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.

[s2.quickmeme.com image 500x500]


Yeah, this is about the level of mental deficiency it takes to be caught in a police sting.

Smart people, like Al Capone, are never caught for the crimes they may or may not have committed. The cops just have to invent shiat to take them down or skip the arrest and move straight to the drone strikes.
 
2014-02-12 06:05:12 PM  

doglover: dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.

Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

There's all kinds of mental disorders you can fark you up in the head and make you susceptible to all kinds of shiat. Wet Brain, for example So take someone who's basically in dire need of hospitalization without knowing it, and then lean on them slowly. Say, start on a website like fark and reply to their comment. Then pretend to open up. (btw I'm in Indiana, too) Then you flatter them a bit, because maybe they made an intelligent and funny post like your own. Finally, you invite them to a private chat where anything is possible and get them all worked up somehow, then drop the bomb that you're actually underage but it's okay. Now a normal person wouldn't fall for even the first step, but someone with problems will fall hook, line, and sinker to the point where you could probably tell them "I am a cop and I will arrest you, but come over anyway." and they'd still show up.

That's what it usually is with "terrorists" and "dealers" the feds catch. There was that story last year where the FBI hired a guy who was legally retarded and gave him a job at a store they used as a front for fake heroin dealing or something. Then they made the sting they were after, but they sent him to jail, too, even though he didn't do anything but what federal agents told him to do. At no point was any of it really illegal, either. That's the quality of human being you get in law enforcement. It's all about the bust, even if you have to make the criminals first.

Real pedophiles, statistically, aren't looking for strangers online. It's the parents, the ...


That is my favorite chat site, I really feel empowered there, like anything is possible.
 
2014-02-12 06:06:37 PM  

timujin: That is my favorite chat site, I really feel empowered there, like anything is possible.


:D
 
2014-02-12 06:28:09 PM  
It's hard to believe that anyone would fall for "yes, giggles, im a 13 year old girl, and what i want more than anything is to fark a middle aged man". Facepalms. Seriously, if you're that dim witted to fall for that...you deserve to be in federal pound you in the ass prison. It's not like this sting has not been done a million times. But...they keep coming.


/heh...sorry.
 
2014-02-12 06:29:38 PM  
Before you accuse the police of entrapment, you should read the transcripts of the chats. There's no entrapment (in the vast majority of cases). They want a conviction, so they'll let the adult take the lead.

You guys don't automatically assume entrapment when cops arrest people stealing cars, so why would you assume that in these cases? I've read tons of these chat logs and seen only creeps who want to have sex with kids. No entrapment. Each one of them is told how old the "child" is.
 
2014-02-12 06:31:48 PM  
The Onion is prophetic:
Items Arrestee Brought:Knife

To be fair, he probably had a pocket knife in his pocket or something. Cops consider 1 g of marijuana to be $1 million, so I wouldn't be shocked
 
2014-02-12 06:32:23 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Charges: Traveling to Meet a Minor


fc08.deviantart.net
 
2014-02-12 06:34:23 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-12 06:35:01 PM  
I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.
 
2014-02-12 06:35:03 PM  
Have a seat over there. (Obscure?)

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2014-02-12 06:36:26 PM  

dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.


I'm convinced that we only capture the dumb pedophiles. Others are either too smart to go after kids, or too rich to be prosecuted.
 
2014-02-12 06:36:40 PM  
But it's okay when women teachers do it.
/Am i doing it right
 
2014-02-12 06:36:58 PM  
We're going to need a much larger seat over there...Better bring in a couple on benches...
 
2014-02-12 06:37:34 PM  
Take a drive over to WalMart and give that wall of disappeared kids a look-over. Note the ones who disappeared with some stranger they met online.

Now think, there's a far greater number of kids who meet a stranger online, invite them over, have sex (actually, get raped, since kids cannot legally give consent), and then never report the crime and instead suffer in silence thinking it was their fault for inviting a stranger over and promising sex.
 
2014-02-12 06:38:17 PM  
Who would have a problem with happiness?
 
2014-02-12 06:39:09 PM  
Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.
 
2014-02-12 06:39:11 PM  
His next happy meal will be Nutraloaf.
 
2014-02-12 06:39:19 PM  
My former state assemblyman was nabbed in one of these stings.  He's doing a dozen years in the crowbar hotel now.
 
2014-02-12 06:40:09 PM  

LoneWolf343: dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.

I'm convinced that we only capture the dumb pedophiles. Others are either too smart to go after kids, or too rich to be prosecuted.


I'm convinced we don'r even catch them. Just dumb people. Entrapment is illegal for a reason.
 
2014-02-12 06:40:37 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Take a drive over to WalMart and give that wall of disappeared kids a look-over. Note the ones who disappeared with some stranger they met online.

Now think, there's a far greater number of kids who meet a stranger online, invite them over, have sex (actually, get raped, since kids cannot legally give consent), and then never report the crime and instead suffer in silence thinking it was their fault for inviting a stranger over and promising sex.


Actually, most of those kids appear to be runaways. Many of them were about 17 when they split, too.

Another large chunk of the missing kids are clearly those who were swiped in a custody battle.
 
2014-02-12 06:41:22 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.


Who says they haven't done anything illegal when they show up.. You? Did you read the article and see what the people were charged with? Those are the laws the people broke (allegedly).

Did you mean you don't think it is wrong?
 
2014-02-12 06:41:23 PM  
   Just an odd question; Why were only a couple vehicles seized and the rest not? If drugs were involved I would get it, but they were not in either of the seizure cases, and there was not seizure where drugs were present.
   Are they just grabbing the ones with resale value again?
 
2014-02-12 06:43:17 PM  

Mark Ratner: Have a seat over there. (Obscure?)

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x933]


Do you have the original of that?

/yes i know its not the rock
 
2014-02-12 06:45:00 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.


At what point do they decide that a crime would've been committed, though? Your suggestion of waiting for them to take off their pants doesn't imply they would've gone through with it either. Besides, how do you get them to take their pants off in the first place?

That "Catch a Predator" show actually had an actress who looked and sounded about 14-15 who was in on the sting. The guys all saw her and interacted with her, then she'd step into a room and then Chris Hansen would do his "have a seat over there" bit. At the point that they saw the girl who both looked and said she was underage and then didn't leave is about as close to committing the act without going through with it.
 
2014-02-12 06:45:30 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Cerebral Ballsy: Take a drive over to WalMart and give that wall of disappeared kids a look-over. Note the ones who disappeared with some stranger they met online.

Now think, there's a far greater number of kids who meet a stranger online, invite them over, have sex (actually, get raped, since kids cannot legally give consent), and then never report the crime and instead suffer in silence thinking it was their fault for inviting a stranger over and promising sex.

Actually, most of those kids appear to be runaways. Many of them were about 17 when they split, too.

Another large chunk of the missing kids are clearly those who were swiped in a custody battle.


That's the point. Not many disappearances are due to a stranger.
 
2014-02-12 06:46:27 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Cerebral Ballsy: Take a drive over to WalMart and give that wall of disappeared kids a look-over. Note the ones who disappeared with some stranger they met online.

Now think, there's a far greater number of kids who meet a stranger online, invite them over, have sex (actually, get raped, since kids cannot legally give consent), and then never report the crime and instead suffer in silence thinking it was their fault for inviting a stranger over and promising sex.

Actually, most of those kids appear to be runaways. Many of them were about 17 when they split, too.

Another large chunk of the missing kids are clearly those who were swiped in a custody battle.


Read the little descriptions.. You'll always find some that ran away with some creep. Sadly, lots of those kids have been abused before, too an might even be running from abuse in the house.

I read this article earlier today because I live here in Orlando. I didn't look at all the ages of the "bait kids" but I did notice one guy confessed to being in negotiations with a mom to have sex with her 7 year old daughter! And they tracked down the mom on that too, and charged her with selling her child for sex.

I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy, but these kids do get kidnapped sometimes by strangers.
 
2014-02-12 06:48:39 PM  
Since pedophilia has been shown to be a biological orientation, this way of treating it will never work in the long run. It isn't as if there are a limited number of people who have pedophilia. People who have pedophilia are born every day. There are programs in Canada and Germany that reach out to people with pedophilia to get help before the commit a crime (free, confidential therapy). A problem in the US is that people think they will be convicted for something just by talking to a mental health worker (which is not the case, but it's a misconception).
 
2014-02-12 06:50:41 PM  
Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?
 
2014-02-12 06:50:45 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable:    Just an odd question; Why were only a couple vehicles seized and the rest not? If drugs were involved I would get it, but they were not in either of the seizure cases, and there was not seizure where drugs were present.
   Are they just grabbing the ones with resale value again?


Need to have a good show at the cop auction.
 
2014-02-12 06:51:16 PM  

dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.


So much this....
 
2014-02-12 06:51:18 PM  
Le me reiterate: 16 year old bait is iffy because of varying state consent laws. Not everyone who moves to Florida reads up on consent law once they move here. I feel much more comfortable with bait kids being prepubescent (for pedophiles) or at least under 15 (for ephebophiles).
 
2014-02-12 06:51:22 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy,


You seem to be saying that it might be okay for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old?  Are you serious?  A twenty-five year old man, or thirty or forty year old man and you are cool with them having sex with a 16  year old?

Really?
 
2014-02-12 06:51:32 PM  
"Undercover deputies in Lake County have arrested 22 men in an underage sex sting, including three employees at Walt Disney World..."

Well, she's sexy and 17!

www.mynews13.com
 
2014-02-12 06:52:22 PM  

styckx: Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?


Oh you know it.
 
2014-02-12 06:52:22 PM  

naris: The Onion is prophetic: Charges: Traveling to Meet a Minor

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Minors, not miners.

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2014-02-12 06:52:44 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Le me reiterate: 16 year old bait is iffy because of varying state consent laws. Not everyone who moves to Florida reads up on consent law once they move here. I feel much more comfortable with bait kids being prepubescent (for pedophiles) or at least under 15 (for ephebophiles).


Thank you for clearing that up.  Please ignore my previous post.
 
2014-02-12 06:52:50 PM  

styckx: Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?


That's a classic Fark person?

imageshack.us
 
2014-02-12 06:54:17 PM  

miss diminutive: styckx: Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?

That's a classic Fark person?

[imageshack.us image 500x281]


You must be new here.. Every pedo thread has a creep who you never heard of before white knight the pedophiles in a completely non-sarcastic completely legit way..
 
2014-02-12 06:54:52 PM  
One guy had HIV. They charged him for failing to mention it.
 
2014-02-12 06:54:54 PM  

eas81: Mark Ratner: Have a seat over there. (Obscure?)

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x933]

Do you have the original of that?

/yes i know its not the rock


Gah beat me to it.
 
2014-02-12 06:56:52 PM  

dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.


There are some messed up kids out there. A kid my sister knew in high school was an addict and dropped out, he was meeting up with middle aged men.
 
2014-02-12 06:57:14 PM  

miss diminutive: Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.

At what point do they decide that a crime would've been committed, though? Your suggestion of waiting for them to take off their pants doesn't imply they would've gone through with it either. Besides, how do you get them to take their pants off in the first place?

That "Catch a Predator" show actually had an actress who looked and sounded about 14-15 who was in on the sting. The guys all saw her and interacted with her, then she'd step into a room and then Chris Hansen would do his "have a seat over there" bit. At the point that they saw the girl who both looked and said she was underage and then didn't leave is about as close to committing the act without going through with it.


But here, they had no girl. Here, they busted the guys when they pulled into the driveway.

So who's to say they would have gone through with anything? Maybe one of these guys would have been guilt-ridden and walked away without doing anything wrong.

I think "pants around ankles" is a good indication that a rape might occur. Until then, it's just intention (or maybe even nervous consideration) and hasn't harmed anyone yet.

It's a step away from thought-crime. It doesn't seem right to me to grab them the moment they show up. You have to give people a chance to work things out and commit or not commit to an action, and I don't think driving to a house is enough. I think getting (even partially) naked is the point when you can say a crime was actually committed.
 
2014-02-12 06:58:07 PM  

styckx: miss diminutive: styckx: Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?

That's a classic Fark person?

[imageshack.us image 500x281]

You must be new here.. Every pedo thread has a creep who you never heard of before white knight the pedophiles in a completely non-sarcastic completely legit way..


Just as crime threads starring blah persons always have one or two Aryan Nations lunatics.
 
2014-02-12 06:59:06 PM  

jwa007: Cerebral Ballsy: I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy,

You seem to be saying that it might be okay for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old?  Are you serious?  A twenty-five year old man, or thirty or forty year old man and you are cool with them having sex with a 16  year old?

Really?


In my opinion, we shouldn't have "incremental responsibility laws" based on age. If we have said that 16 should be the legal age to drive, that should be the hard-line cut-off point for everything else as well. Enlisting in the armed forces, signing forms, renting a hotel room or vehicle, no statutory rape laws, drink alcohol, smoke etc. If you can legally drive a vehicle by yourself, then you are an adult in my opinion. You are entrusted with the lives of your passengers and anyone on the road.

As far as maturity goes, are 16 year olds mature? Fark no, but then again neither are 18 year olds or every most 20 year olds.
 
2014-02-12 06:59:18 PM  
It's nice to see that most of them believe in safe sex.
 
2014-02-12 07:00:03 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: jwa007: Cerebral Ballsy: I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy,

You seem to be saying that it might be okay for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old?  Are you serious?  A twenty-five year old man, or thirty or forty year old man and you are cool with them having sex with a 16  year old?

Really?

In my opinion, we shouldn't have "incremental responsibility laws" based on age. If we have said that 16 should be the legal age to drive, that should be the hard-line cut-off point for everything else as well. Enlisting in the armed forces, signing forms, renting a hotel room or vehicle, no statutory rape laws, drink alcohol, smoke etc. If you can legally drive a vehicle by yourself, then you are an adult in my opinion. You are entrusted with the lives of your passengers and anyone on the road.

As far as maturity goes, are 16 year olds mature? Fark no, but then again neither are 18 year olds or every most 20 year olds.


These days, I think adulthood starts somewhere around 38.
 
2014-02-12 07:00:40 PM  

leevis: It's nice to see that most of them believe in safe sex.


I was wondering what was up with the guy who didn't bring condoms, but did bring latex gloves.

What did he think was going to happen?!
 
2014-02-12 07:02:30 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.


True, and 16 really shouldn't be considered a child. These guys deserve to be arrested for being skeevy dumbasses.
 
2014-02-12 07:05:12 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: It's hard to believe that anyone would fall for "yes, giggles, im a 13 year old girl, and what i want more than anything is to fark a middle aged man". Facepalms. Seriously, if you're that dim witted to fall for that...you deserve to be in federal pound you in the ass prison. It's not like this sting has not been done a million times. But...they keep coming.

/heh...sorry.


Never underestimate the power of "daddy issues".

Future strippers don't come from nowhere, ya know.

Cerebral Ballsy: I feel much more comfortable with bait kids being prepubescent


I know what you meant, but that just sounds wrong.... :)
 
2014-02-12 07:05:34 PM  

Nix Nightbird: leevis: It's nice to see that most of them believe in safe sex.

I was wondering what was up with the guy who didn't bring condoms, but did bring latex gloves.

What did he think was going to happen?!


Murder
 
2014-02-12 07:05:45 PM  

2wolves: styckx: miss diminutive: styckx: Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?

That's a classic Fark person?

[imageshack.us image 500x281]

You must be new here.. Every pedo thread has a creep who you never heard of before white knight the pedophiles in a completely non-sarcastic completely legit way..

Just as crime threads starring blah persons always have one or two Aryan Nations lunatics.


Exactly.
 
2014-02-12 07:07:14 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.

True, and 16 really shouldn't be considered a child. These guys deserve to be arrested for being skeevy dumbasses.


I don't argue that they were creeps. I just think we need to give them enough rope to hang themselves.
 
2014-02-12 07:07:50 PM  

Nix Nightbird: JoieD'Zen: Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.

True, and 16 really shouldn't be considered a child. These guys deserve to be arrested for being skeevy dumbasses.

I don't argue that they weren't creeps. I just think we need to give them enough rope to hang themselves.


Oops. That makes a difference, doesn't it?
 
2014-02-12 07:08:55 PM  
fusillade762:

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.

They do that for anyone arrested for anything.  I think it's to keep the government from disappearing people.
 
2014-02-12 07:09:29 PM  
1) Put a hole in the box
...
 
2014-02-12 07:10:00 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-12 07:12:28 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: jwa007: Cerebral Ballsy: I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy,

You seem to be saying that it might be okay for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old?  Are you serious?  A twenty-five year old man, or thirty or forty year old man and you are cool with them having sex with a 16  year old?

Really?

In my opinion, we shouldn't have "incremental responsibility laws" based on age. If we have said that 16 should be the legal age to drive, that should be the hard-line cut-off point for everything else as well. Enlisting in the armed forces, signing forms, renting a hotel room or vehicle, no statutory rape laws, drink alcohol, smoke etc. If you can legally drive a vehicle by yourself, then you are an adult in my opinion. You are entrusted with the lives of your passengers and anyone on the road.

As far as maturity goes, are 16 year olds mature? Fark no, but then again neither are 18 year olds or every most 20 year olds.


They still need and are dependent on adults. Did they buy that car with their earnings? ( can you even get your own insurance before 18?)
Can't qualify for a credit card for that hotel room or flight? As if any sane person would rent to a kid anyways.

/outta here
 
2014-02-12 07:13:18 PM  

styckx: miss diminutive: styckx: Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?

That's a classic Fark person?

[imageshack.us image 500x281]

You must be new here.. Every pedo thread has a creep who you never heard of before white knight the pedophiles in a completely non-sarcastic completely legit way..


bUT YOU JUST DON'T understand HUMAN SEXUALLITY. Throughout human history older males have always went after young females because it's natural to be attracted to someone that can ensure fertility.This man is just doing what men do. And females that seek outolder males for security are stupid sluts and are all whores.

There. Did I do it right??
 
2014-02-12 07:13:32 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: Just an odd question; Why were only a couple vehicles seized and the rest not? If drugs were involved I would get it, but they were not in either of the seizure cases, and there was not seizure where drugs were present.
   Are they just grabbing the ones with resale value again?


It's likely the perps who didn't get a vehicle seized either arrived in a car owned by someone else (wife, company, etc.) or a leased vehicle.
 
2014-02-12 07:15:17 PM  

Nix Nightbird: leevis: It's nice to see that most of them believe in safe sex.

I was wondering what was up with the guy who didn't bring condoms, but did bring latex gloves.

What did he think was going to happen?!


A pair of latex gloves is a lot cheaper than a ten-pack of condoms. Maybe he's just on a budget.
 
2014-02-12 07:15:50 PM  

Nix Nightbird: But here, they had no girl. Here, they busted the guys when they pulled into the driveway.

So who's to say they would have gone through with anything? Maybe one of these guys would have been guilt-ridden and walked away without doing anything wrong.



Charges: Soliciting a Child for Sexual Acts, Traveling to Meet a Minor

How can you walk away from what you've already done?
 
2014-02-12 07:18:06 PM  

doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.


Except the part where it isn't entrapment.
 
2014-02-12 07:18:26 PM  
LOL, the page came up for me with a sidebar ad for Discount Dance Supply  with a young girl in a leotard.
 
2014-02-12 07:18:48 PM  

fusillade762: And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


Welcome to America, where even the whiff of pedophilia will bring out the lynch-mob.
 
2014-02-12 07:19:53 PM  
The losers they catch in these stings are just desperate losers looking for ass online. They don't care if the girl is 13 or 53.
 
2014-02-12 07:20:49 PM  

lindalouwho: They still need and are dependent on adults. Did they buy that car with their earnings? ( can you even get your own insurance before 18?)
Can't qualify for a credit card for that hotel room or flight? As if any sane person would rent to a kid anyways.

/outta here


I bought my car with my earnings from working. I was just as immature at 18 as I was at 16. Really, I didn't "grow up" until a few years out of college. I just find it fascinating we have "magical" age distinctions and don't prepare kids as a right of passage, instead they are treated like kids and then -poof- ok now you are an adult because you just had your 18th birthday! It's like giving an ape a machine gun.
 
2014-02-12 07:21:03 PM  

baka-san: LOL, the page came up for me with a sidebar ad for Discount Dance Supply  with a young girl in a leotard.


O_o

So what does this say about your search history?
 
2014-02-12 07:21:56 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber


Welcome to the fantastic world of inchoate crimes (and defenses).   Look 'em up.  You may save yourself some time and trouble in the future.
 
2014-02-12 07:24:36 PM  

jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.


Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."
 
2014-02-12 07:25:16 PM  

megarian: baka-san: LOL, the page came up for me with a sidebar ad for Discount Dance Supply with a young girl in a leotard.

O_o

So what does this say about your search history?


That I have a daughter in Ballet, and they have good prices.
 
2014-02-12 07:26:22 PM  

baka-san: megarian: baka-san: LOL, the page came up for me with a sidebar ad for Discount Dance Supply with a young girl in a leotard.

O_o

So what does this say about your search history?

That I have a daughter in Ballet, and they have good prices.


See? This is a good, normal answer. Thank you.
 
2014-02-12 07:26:27 PM  

Breaker Moran: Welcome to the fantastic world of inchoate crimes


Just cos someone's brought a knife and a condom to a meeting with an underaged girl doesn't mean something untoward's gonna happen!  Sheesh!
 
2014-02-12 07:30:07 PM  
baka-san:

Also, I just clicked your profile and your family might be too adorable. So stop that. Because now I have diabeetus.
 
2014-02-12 07:31:11 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Before you accuse the police of entrapment, you should read the transcripts of the chats. There's no entrapment (in the vast majority of cases). They want a conviction, so they'll let the adult take the lead.

You guys don't automatically assume entrapment when cops arrest people stealing cars, so why would you assume that in these cases? I've read tons of these chat logs and seen only creeps who want to have sex with kids. No entrapment. Each one of them is told how old the "child" is.


Entrapment is extremely rare, anyway. Too many people assume that cops have to tell you they're cops, and that asking a dealer for drugs is entrapment.
 
2014-02-12 07:32:48 PM  

Mr.Hawk: Nix Nightbird: leevis: It's nice to see that most of them believe in safe sex.

I was wondering what was up with the guy who didn't bring condoms, but did bring latex gloves.

What did he think was going to happen?!

Murder


Naah, he was just being cheap.  Ten condoms.
 
2014-02-12 07:34:51 PM  

megarian: baka-san:

Also, I just clicked your profile and your family might be too adorable. So stop that. Because now I have diabeetus.


Oh crap, he does have a cute family.
 
2014-02-12 07:35:13 PM  
PainInTheASP:


Naah, he was just being cheap.  Ten condoms.

lulz
 
2014-02-12 07:37:19 PM  

megarian: styckx: miss diminutive: styckx: Didn't read any of the thread.. Has the classic Fark thread creep who pops up in pedo threads and borderline white knights the suspects shown up yet?

That's a classic Fark person?

[imageshack.us image 500x281]

You must be new here.. Every pedo thread has a creep who you never heard of before white knight the pedophiles in a completely non-sarcastic completely legit way..

bUT YOU JUST DON'T understand HUMAN SEXUALLITY. Throughout human history older males have always went after young females because it's natural to be attracted to someone that can ensure fertility.This man is just doing what men do. And females that seek outolder males for security are stupid sluts and are all whores.

There. Did I do it right??


Entirely.
 
2014-02-12 07:38:14 PM  
These guys were arrested. It's a long way from a conviction. But those chat logs don't lie, and they'll have quite a legal struggle. Most will plead guilty to get a reduced sentence. The ones that also work at Disney Land will have some splainin to do.
 
2014-02-12 07:40:21 PM  
Bugerz:

Entirely.

I think when I typed that, part of my soul died.
 
2014-02-12 07:41:01 PM  

Meisaims: megarian: baka-san:

Also, I just clicked your profile and your family might be too adorable. So stop that. Because now I have diabeetus.

Oh crap, he does have a cute family.


Awww! The perfect brain bleach for this thread. With a dash of hope too.
 
2014-02-12 07:43:45 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: But it's okay when women teachers do it.
/Am i doing it right


media.skateboard.com.au
 
2014-02-12 07:46:08 PM  
Great pic of "Little Red" she was killing the pedobux at 26, now she's what 38, and could still do a convincing 12 or 13 year old. First time a friend sent me one of her pics I deleted it and dogged his ass for even thinking I want anything to do with pedos, except maybe a little "Jasper Texas Drag Racing".
I'm hardcore against pedophiles, even the name is wrong,,,,it means lover of children, but certainly not in that very special way.
WTF is wrong with these guys? I don't think it's entrapment, I used to hang out over at winamp, lottsa kids there, I talked to everybody, made sure that folks knew I was old, and not at all interested in knowing any kids in the biblical sense, ever ynow and then a little hottie would pop up but though one should be complimentary towards the fairer sex (I'm a Hellenist, I worship the female) when the fairer sex seems unduly present after a simple "Good evening my lady", she's either1. A desperate dowager who wants to "cyber" with you. 2. A 38 year old guy using vox- processing. 3. TROLL 4. Anybody that has any idea about hooking up with a little kid needs to do a serious re-think. Her dad may not be around, but I might live across the street and see a possible rapist enter a home where a child is alone. I'll be the one with the XXXbully, the baseball bat, the 45, and questions. And ya puke, you'd better have good answers.
Spec ops team is one damned fine answer!
Sometimes they are working off tips, little girls might flirt, but they are little girls and when you kick it up a notch they re-think and decide this isn't good, tell Mom, Tell Dad....Tell officer friendly, all cops love kids, even jubilant delinquents like I was, it's like a requirement or something, to serve and protect. Damned Skippy!
I fully support this police action, though I could probably get most of the clods off, I wouldn't.

"Kiss the cross they did entreat."
There's just some shiat that I won't eat.
For which Olaf was soundly beat.
I sing of Olaf, proud, and big."
Not at all obscure, unless thou art poorly in time and nubianrdly in effort  whilst in the stacks.
Capstones=age 7 E.T.N.C..
Cross the quad as a fool,
Return a person of consequence.
 
2014-02-12 07:46:09 PM  

megarian: Bugerz:

Entirely.

I think when I typed that, part of my soul died.


This is a common occurrence when posting in pedophilia threads and the politics tab.
 
2014-02-12 07:46:20 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: But it's okay when women teachers do it.
/Am i doing it right


it is ABSOLUTELY ok if women teachers do it.

/if it was back in the day when i was in high school
//and she was hot
///and she wanted me
 
2014-02-12 07:47:24 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: lindalouwho: They still need and are dependent on adults. Did they buy that car with their earnings? ( can you even get your own insurance before 18?)
Can't qualify for a credit card for that hotel room or flight? As if any sane person would rent to a kid anyways.

/outta here

I bought my car with my earnings from working. I was just as immature at 18 as I was at 16. Really, I didn't "grow up" until a few years out of college. I just find it fascinating we have "magical" age distinctions and don't prepare kids as a right of passage, instead they are treated like kids and then -poof- ok now you are an adult because you just had your 18th birthday! It's like giving an ape a machine gun.


---What if the girl is Jewish and has had her Bat Mitvah?  Is she an adult then?

/ I got an ad for a VA house loan?
// Not a vet
 
2014-02-12 07:47:52 PM  
Why don't they all dress up like postmen?
media3.policymic.com
 
2014-02-12 07:48:03 PM  

skinink: "Undercover deputies in Lake County have arrested 22 men in an underage sex sting, including three employees at Walt Disney World..."

Well, she's sexy and 17!

[www.mynews13.com image 676x456]


How do we covet Clarice? . . .
 
2014-02-12 07:48:25 PM  

Bugerz: megarian: Bugerz:

Entirely.

I think when I typed that, part of my soul died.

This is a common occurrence when posting in pedophilia threads and the politics tab.


It burns a little.
 
2014-02-12 07:48:53 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: lindalouwho: They still need and are dependent on adults. Did they buy that car with their earnings? ( can you even get your own insurance before 18?)
Can't qualify for a credit card for that hotel room or flight? As if any sane person would rent to a kid anyways.

/outta here

I bought my car with my earnings from working. I was just as immature at 18 as I was at 16. Really, I didn't "grow up" until a few years out of college. I just find it fascinating we have "magical" age distinctions and don't prepare kids as a right of passage, instead they are treated like kids and then -poof- ok now you are an adult because you just had your 18th birthday! It's like giving an ape a machine gun.


The lack of preparation, like goofy ass right wingers with their "don't tell 'em about sex and they won't want birth control kinda thing? Agreed.

/ happily stunned that teenage pregnancies have gone down in recent years
//don't think it's because they stopped doing it :-P
 
2014-02-12 07:50:29 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.


Does that distinction really matter so much? Are we so concerned about mislabeling those assholes?
 
2014-02-12 07:50:45 PM  

lindalouwho: Meisaims: megarian: baka-san:

Also, I just clicked your profile and your family might be too adorable. So stop that. Because now I have diabeetus.

Oh crap, he does have a cute family.

Awww! The perfect brain bleach for this thread. With a dash of hope too.


Well hell, there goes my rep...

/goes back to making dinner.
 
2014-02-12 07:51:18 PM  

Mr.Hawk: Nix Nightbird: leevis: It's nice to see that most of them believe in safe sex.

I was wondering what was up with the guy who didn't bring condoms, but did bring latex gloves.

What did he think was going to happen?!

Murder


meltbarandgrilled.com
 
2014-02-12 07:53:02 PM  

megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."


Not really.

Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals. They tried to be criminals, but only because the police goaded them to inflate arrest numbers.

They should still be somewhere, but a hospital seems like a better place. Sgt Hatred from the Venture Bros and his "Molestol" injections are a parody of what we should actually be doing here. It's entirely possible for these people to be useful and safe with treatment.

Those who actually do anything? Send them to the same farm your childhood dog went to when he died. But stings are almost always the laziest, most morally dubious form of policework. Stings and speed traps.
 
2014-02-12 07:53:36 PM  

jwa007: Cerebral Ballsy: I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy,

You seem to be saying that it might be okay for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old?  Are you serious?  A twenty-five year old man, or thirty or forty year old man and you are cool with them having sex with a 16  year old?

Really?


This is legal in a majority of jurisdictions. Only 20 states have an age of consent higher than 16.

There exists a range of choices and actions that are potentially wrong but not illegal. Shall we legislate the "half your age plus seven rule" for all people, including adults for the sake of simplicity? Under that rule, my 29-year-old friend would have been illegal for me to date two years ago, but now she's fair game! (Woo hoo! Oh, wait, already friend-zoned. Damn rules!)

Because otherwise, creating a patchwork of close-in-age exceptions that allow older teenagers sexual liberty while trying to protect children from exploitation and abuse creates a paternalistic role for government and potentially oppressive complications for young people who are mostly just trying to live their lives.

As for these types of stings, it does remind me of the wanna-be terrorists who get recruited into "terror cells" composed entirely of FBI agents. These pedophiles seem like people so socially incompetent, their own sexual development as children was consistently rejected by their peers as unattractive or unsophisticated, and they haven't gotten any better. They probably contacted cops because they were utter failures contacting anyone else. Getting caught like this ought to be a ticket to psychiatric help rather than jail.
 
2014-02-12 07:56:19 PM  

Kujira: Does that distinction really matter so much? Are we so concerned about mislabeling those assholes?


I personally find the distinction to be important.  Hell, Elvis liked 'em young, like 14 and Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin.  And some teen girls definitely look older.  So yes, distinguishing between a guy that like's 'em young and a guy who wants to put his junk into a prepubescent child is important.
Two completely different types of asshole, both criminals though.

/just sayin'
 
2014-02-12 08:00:52 PM  

doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.


MAYBE some of them are sick, the rest of them are just shiatheads who are too socially awkward to get with chicks their own age so they troll the internet preying on those who aren't experienced. That isn't a sickness, it is a crime.
 
2014-02-12 08:01:04 PM  

fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


Guilty before proven Innocent in 'Merka!
 
2014-02-12 08:02:10 PM  

LoneWolf343: dletter: I'm either amused at how many guys get caught by this that have to be thinking at the time "Well, THIS one I'm sure is really a girl and not a police officer!"....

....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.

I'm convinced that we only capture the dumb pedophiles. Others are either too smart to go after kids, or too rich to be prosecuted.


globaldiscussion.net
 
2014-02-12 08:02:32 PM  

Nem Wan: This is legal in a majority of jurisdictions. Only 20 states have an age of consent higher than 16.


You might want to look a little closer. I believe most of the places where it is 16 and 17 have a "Romeo and Juliet" clause requiring that they be within 3 years of age. I am pretty sure a 35 year old banging a 16 year old is illegal in the majority of states.
 
2014-02-12 08:06:39 PM  

Nem Wan: These pedophiles seem like people so socially incompetent, their own sexual development as children was consistently rejected by their peers as unattractive or unsophisticated, and they haven't gotten any better. They probably contacted cops because they were utter failures contacting anyone else. Getting caught like this ought to be a ticket to psychiatric help rather than jail.


That's as good of a reason to explain their behaviour as I've heard. When I read these stories I just wonder to myself, how can so many people be so stupid? Who in their right mind would take a chance like that, risk their entire lives and livelihood for a chance to nail a teenager who's likely a police officer anyway?
 
2014-02-12 08:07:23 PM  

Nem Wan: These pedophiles seem like people so socially incompetent, their own sexual development as children was consistently rejected by their peers as unattractive or unsophisticated, and they haven't gotten any better. They probably contacted cops because they were utter failures contacting anyone else.


Except this guy, who is married with kids:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14623014

Or this guy who BROUGHT his wife and kid:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2448233/Florida-man-took-wif e- daughter-meet-girl-14-grooming-online.html

Or this pastor who drove 200 miles in his wife's car to meet a 13 year old girl:
http://www.wnd.com/2008/05/64583/

Should I go on? Because I can.
 
2014-02-12 08:08:24 PM  

Quaker: A pair of latex gloves is a lot cheaper than a ten-pack of condoms. Maybe he's just on a budget.


+1
 
2014-02-12 08:09:17 PM  

Nix Nightbird: miss diminutive: Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.

At what point do they decide that a crime would've been committed, though? Your suggestion of waiting for them to take off their pants doesn't imply they would've gone through with it either. Besides, how do you get them to take their pants off in the first place?

That "Catch a Predator" show actually had an actress who looked and sounded about 14-15 who was in on the sting. The guys all saw her and interacted with her, then she'd step into a room and then Chris Hansen would do his "have a seat over there" bit. At the point that they saw the girl who both looked and said she was underage and then didn't leave is about as close to committing the act without going through with it.

But here, they had no girl. Here, they busted the guys when they pulled into the driveway.

So who's to say they would have gone through with anything? Maybe one of these guys would have been guilt-ridden and walked away without doing anything wrong.

I think "pants around ankles" is a good indication that a rape might occur. Until then, it's just intention (or maybe even nervous consideration) and hasn't harmed anyone yet.

It's a step away from thought-crime. It doesn't seem right to me to grab them the moment they show up ...


But what if the guy with his pants around his ankles would have reconsidered and stopped just short of penetration?  To be safe we should probably get the underage-looking cops to have sex with them.  Until they've actually been witnessed in the act of sex with a minor, they haven't technically done anything wrong no matter how many reams of text you have of them soliciting a sexual encounter for which they showed up with condoms and candy.

It's the only way to be sure!
 
2014-02-12 08:09:17 PM  
What about the parents of these children? Why aren't they supervising them when they are on the internet and making sure they are safe?  Bad parenting 101.
 
2014-02-12 08:09:20 PM  
Maybe he needed help gettingout of his "Rock monster" costume.. Maebe.
 
2014-02-12 08:10:12 PM  

jwa007: Kujira: Does that distinction really matter so much? Are we so concerned about mislabeling those assholes?

I personally find the distinction to be important.  Hell, Elvis liked 'em young, like 14 and Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin.  And some teen girls definitely look older.  So yes, distinguishing between a guy that like's 'em young and a guy who wants to put his junk into a prepubescent child is important.
Two completely different types of asshole, both criminals though.

/just sayin'


That makes sense; I can see your point. Thank you.

In terms of the legality of the issue, I don't care about the distinction. A person who acts on their impulses in an illegal way should be punished accordingly, regardless of how young they like 'em.
 
2014-02-12 08:10:20 PM  

MissesThePoint: What about the parents of these children? Why aren't they supervising them when they are on the internet and making sure they are safe?  Bad parenting 101.


I less than three you.
 
2014-02-12 08:11:57 PM  

FunkOut: One guy had HIV. They charged him for failing to mention it.


HIV, or High V?

Cause everybody love High Vs.
 
2014-02-12 08:14:04 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.

True, and 16 really shouldn't be considered a child. These guys deserve to be arrested for being skeevy dumbasses.


In my state 16 is legal.
Really.
A female who can bleed in the service of mankind is no child.
A male who can sow the seed of his line is no child.
The extended adolescence placed on today's young people is responsible for so many people being socially retarded.
But the lack of discipline leaves them vacant of true values.
But if I see some 35 year old pull up to pickup my 14yo grand daughter...well....lets just say the fish shall feast.
She who loves pillowfights has been mentioned....off for some loving harassment...water pistols loaded and dripping.
 
2014-02-12 08:21:17 PM  

Nem Wan: Only 20 states have an age of consent higher than 16.


California is one of them--and that's what gets written by Hollywood script writers into television and movies, so a lot of people both inside and outside the US have this idea that the AoC in the US is universally 18.1  In fact California's AoC law--18 with no "Romeo & Juliet" exception that allows sex between minors who are within a couple of years of each other in age--is one of the strictest in the U.S. and likely in the entire developed world.

Federally, the AoC is 18 for things like the Mann Act (the famous "transporting a minor across state lines for immoral purposes") and whatever law says you can't leave the USA to go fark minors in some foreign country regardless of the local AoC at your destination.

1
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoCalization
 
2014-02-12 08:21:41 PM  

jst3p: doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.

MAYBE some of them are sick, the rest of them are just shiatheads who are too socially awkward to get with chicks their own age so they troll the internet preying on those who aren't experienced. That isn't a sickness, it is a crime.


Sickness leads to crime. Do you think mentally stable people knock over banks or send anthranx laden letters to people they see on TV? Hell no. If we're lucky enough to get to them before they actually vicimize anyone for real, we could do more constructive things tgan just toss them in jail.

Hell, a few years ago Kevin Smith interviewed a woman who was caught and exploited at the age of 14 by an actual predetor in Texas. Sminterviews. Might still be online. I forget which one exactly, but the podcast was short lived. Only a few epps to dig through . Good listen. Might temper some indignation here to hear it from the victim's side. There wasn't anger, just sorrow for the poor, broken creature he was. Like Gollum.
 
2014-02-12 08:24:31 PM  

megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."



Comments like these are why I heart you
 
2014-02-12 08:24:43 PM  

doglover: megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."

Not really.

Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals. They tried to be criminals, but only because the police goaded them to inflate arrest numbers.

They should still be somewhere, but a hospital seems like a better place. Sgt Hatred from the Venture Bros and his "Molestol" injections are a parody of what we should actually be doing here. It's entirely possible for these people to be useful and safe with treatment.

Those who actually do anything? Send them to the same farm your childhood dog went to when he died. But stings are almost always the laziest, most morally dubious form of policework. Stings and speed traps.


You know, that is a much more compassionate and probably proactive way of looking at it. Quite seriously no snark intended.
 
2014-02-12 08:27:19 PM  

doglover: jst3p: doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.

MAYBE some of them are sick, the rest of them are just shiatheads who are too socially awkward to get with chicks their own age so they troll the internet preying on those who aren't experienced. That isn't a sickness, it is a crime.

Sickness leads to crime. Do you think mentally stable people knock over banks or send anthranx laden letters to people they see on TV? Hell no. If we're lucky enough to get to them before they actually vicimize anyone for real, we could do more constructive things tgan just toss them in jail.

Hell, a few years ago Kevin Smith interviewed a woman who was caught and exploited at the age of 14 by an actual predetor in Texas. Sminterviews. Might still be online. I forget which one exactly, but the podcast was short lived. Only a few epps to dig through . Good listen. Might temper some indignation here to hear it from the victim's side. There wasn't anger, just sorrow for the poor, broken creature he was. Like Gollum.



Not all crime is caused by sickness. I find your argument less than compelling. My dad and both brothers spent time in San Quentin. They will even tell you that they are not sick, they were just selfish assholes.

/they are all doing much better now
//both brothers living a straight life
///one married with two kids and owns his own roofing business
 
2014-02-12 08:29:09 PM  

Mr.Hawk: megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."


Comments like these are why I heart you


I swear I'm not experienced in picking up underage chicks. Hold on, someone's knocking at my door.
 
2014-02-12 08:33:05 PM  
I wonder what would happen if one of them started out like this:

B1gJuan: Hi, I like to role play with cops, can you pretend to be a 13 year old girl for me?
LiLKitten: lolz! but I AM a 13 year old girl.
B1gJuan: Good, so you will play along officer?
LiLKitten: huh? idk what you are talking about but I was hoping you were an older guy that wants to teach me about sex! And bring wine coolers!


Think they would have a defense?
 
2014-02-12 08:33:24 PM  

megarian: I swear I'm not experienced in picking up underage chicks. Hold on, someone's knocking at my door.


Whos that knocking on my door
Its gotta be a quarter to four
Is it you again coming round for more
Well you can love me tonight if you want
But in the morning make sure you're gone
Im talkin to you
Hot legs, wearing me out
Hot legs, you can scream and shout
Hot legs, are you still in school
I love you honey
Gotta most persuasive tongue
You promise all kinds of fun
But what you don't understand
Im a working man
Gonna need a shot of vitamin e
By the time you're finished with me
Im talking to you
Hot legs, you're an alley cat
Hot legs, you scratch my back
Hot legs, bring your mother too
I love you honey
Imagine how my daddy felt
In your jet black says 'bang me' belt
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four
 
2014-02-12 08:34:01 PM  

fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


Arrests are public records in FL (and I think everywhere). That's why booking photos ("mug shots") are so widely available.
 
2014-02-12 08:37:48 PM  
rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four


Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?
 
2014-02-12 08:39:05 PM  
Seventeen.

Why, yes I have been drinking. Thank you!
 
2014-02-12 08:39:06 PM  

megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?


High Schools.
 
2014-02-12 08:40:39 PM  

jst3p: megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?

High Schools.


Teachers would ever do such a thing. And security in schools is top notch.
 
2014-02-12 08:48:32 PM  

megarian: jst3p: megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?

High Schools.

Teachers would ever do such a thing. And security in schools is top notch.


That's why we need more teachers with guns...or something.
 
2014-02-12 08:49:56 PM  

solokumba: Why don't they all dress up like postmen?
[media3.policymic.com image 840x530]

 I feel happy, I feel gay

Cause I come twice a day.
I'm your mailman.
I don't mess with keys on locks,
I just stick it in your box.
I'm your mailman.
I can come in any kind of weather,
For you see my bag is made of leather.
I'm your mailman.
Oh! Pat you knockers, ring your chimes,
For you see mine is fine.
I'm your mailman,
With the longest route in town.
 
2014-02-12 08:50:10 PM  

megarian: doglover: megarian: jst3p: doglover: Honestly, I think entrapment creates more of these people than are actually around.

Except the part where it isn't entrapment.

Yeeeep. It stops being entrapment at:

"a/s/l?"
"tehehehehehehee LOL 13/f/FL!! OMG!"
"Oh, you're 13? That's cool. I bet you're way more mature for your age. Ever done anal? I can teach you."

Not really.

Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals. They tried to be criminals, but only because the police goaded them to inflate arrest numbers.

They should still be somewhere, but a hospital seems like a better place. Sgt Hatred from the Venture Bros and his "Molestol" injections are a parody of what we should actually be doing here. It's entirely possible for these people to be useful and safe with treatment.

Those who actually do anything? Send them to the same farm your childhood dog went to when he died. But stings are almost always the laziest, most morally dubious form of policework. Stings and speed traps.

You know, that is a much more compassionate and probably proactive way of looking at it. Quite seriously no snark intended.


That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.
 
2014-02-12 08:57:50 PM  

fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


ARE YOU HIGH?
 
2014-02-12 08:59:34 PM  
one man who brought a Happy Meal with him to meet what he thought was a girl between 12 and 14 years old.

What kind of 13 year old would eat a Happy Meal?
 
2014-02-12 09:01:50 PM  
Came here for pics of 16 year old chicks...leaving disappointed. I'm kidding!

Kinda on topic...happy meals used to be better when they came with little toys and prizes...easier to lure the kiddies...I'm kidding!
 
2014-02-12 09:04:21 PM  

megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?


Certain sects of the Quran when translated incorrectly. No word on their virginal state though
 
2014-02-12 09:06:06 PM  
Ringo Starr: "you're 16, you're beautiful and you're mine."

Have a seat over there.
 
2014-02-12 09:06:52 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I just disagree with them being able to bust the guys as soon as they show up. I don't think they should be able to say with 100% certainty that a crime would have been committed unless they wait for the guy to actually pull his pants off. At that time he's probably at the point of no return, but before that moment, he could have a change of heart, think about things, and say, "Sorry, kid. I can't do this. You should stay off the Internet and stop putting yourself at risk."

The moment they show up, though, they haven't done anything illegal. They've had an online chat with an ADULT pretending to be a minor. Intent does not equal committing a crime. If it did, we'd all be in jail for assault and battery (or worse) against Justin Bieber.


My friend and his wife do something similar. They troll chat rooms for kids being dumb, get an address, and report them to the parents / authorities. Not because the kid is necessarily doing anything illegal, but if they do it once it's probably not the first time. Nor are the kids likely to stop chatting like this without a little intervention.

His neice chatted with a guy who was supposedly 19 when she was 14. Fortunately her computer crashed and he had to work on it. 14 year old girls are, he said in a bit of shock after seeing the chat transcripts (between her, the '19 year old', her friends), quite graphic...

Hence why they troll for kids to report now. Stopping kid stupidity, one at a time. Waking lazy parents up to intarwebs dangers too.
 
2014-02-12 09:07:00 PM  

farkinglizardking: megarian: rkiller1:
Seventeen years old
Hes touching sixty four

Wait wait wait...Where do you find 64 16-year-olds?

Certain sects sections of the Quran when translated incorrectly. No word on their virginal state though


FTFM.
/Preview, always preview
//Another sip of vodak
 
2014-02-12 09:08:17 PM  

joaquin closet: Ringo Starr: "you're 16, you're beautiful and you're mine."

Have a seat over there.


Didn't Jimmy Page kidnap a 14 year old? And then there's Saville and co., all accused of sexual assault and rape.

What is it about British entertainers?
 
2014-02-12 09:08:27 PM  

jwa007: Cerebral Ballsy: I agree though that the 16 year old bait is a little iffy,

You seem to be saying that it might be okay for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old?  Are you serious?  A twenty-five year old man, or thirty or forty year old man and you are cool with them having sex with a 16  year old?

Really?


I'm a 40 YO man and I had regular sex with 15 year old girls.  Of course I was 15 at the time...
 
2014-02-12 09:15:36 PM  
doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.
 
2014-02-12 09:17:14 PM  
FTA's link: Additional Charges: Sex Acts with Child through Assignation


What part of a child is the "assignation"?
 
2014-02-12 09:48:50 PM  

megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.


People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...
 
2014-02-12 09:51:23 PM  

Cybernetic: fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.

Arrests are public records in FL (and I think everywhere). That's why booking photos ("mug shots") are so widely available.


Yup, around here most of the local news websites have a link to the local police blotters with mugshot and what the arrest was for.

Some convienent stores around here sell a crappily put together paper for a dollar that shows the same. They get it from public records.

/Florida
 
2014-02-12 09:55:17 PM  
Sort of off topic but I this year I finally made love to my High School crush. It was pretty great but now things are kinda weird. She just assumes I will take her to her Prom.


/apologies to Amy Schmur
 
2014-02-12 10:01:37 PM  

doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...


doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...


Embrace this moment.
 
2014-02-12 10:04:09 PM  
and I DON'T KNOW WHY it quoted twice but I did something wrong.

HTML on my phone is not helpful.
 
2014-02-12 10:06:51 PM  

doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...


No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".
 
2014-02-12 10:09:18 PM  

farkinglizardking: Didn't Jimmy Page kidnap a 14 year old? And then there's Saville and co., all accused of sexual assault and rape.

What is it about British entertainers?


Don't forget about Steven Tyler taking a 15 year old on tour with him in the 70s
 
2014-02-12 10:26:28 PM  

jst3p: doglover: jst3p: doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.

Not all crime is caused by sickness. I find your argument less than compelling. My dad and both brothers spent time in San Quentin. They will even tell you that they are not sick, they were just selfish assholes.


Selfish assholism is a KIND of sick
/Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur...
 
2014-02-12 10:35:43 PM  

Falstaff: jst3p: doglover: jst3p: doglover: Rember these are sick people, sick in the head, not criminals.

Not all crime is caused by sickness. I find your argument less than compelling. My dad and both brothers spent time in San Quentin. They will even tell you that they are not sick, they were just selfish assholes.

Selfish assholism is a KIND of sick
/Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur...


I loled
 
2014-02-12 10:40:18 PM  
I farkin' love happy meals
 
2014-02-12 10:45:04 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Take a drive over to WalMart and give that wall of disappeared kids a look-over. Note the ones who disappeared with some stranger they met online.

Now think, there's a far greater number of kids who meet a stranger online, invite them over, have sex (actually, get raped, since kids cannot legally give consent), and then never report the crime and instead suffer in silence thinking it was their fault for inviting a stranger over and promising sex.


not sure if serious
 
2014-02-12 10:57:01 PM  

Kujira: Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way  subby, none of these guys appears to be a pedophile. They all seem to be ephebophiles. The youngest fake teen was still pretending to be a teen (13), and strictly speaking, "pedophile" describes those who are wrongly attracted to pre-pubescent children.

Does that distinction really matter so much? Are we so concerned about mislabeling those assholes?


Has nothing to do with mislabeling assholes. If people don't understand the definition of a word they shouldn't use it, otherwise they look stupid.
 
2014-02-12 10:57:43 PM  
to make a chris hanson reference or not: that is the question
whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
the slings and arrows of outrageous cliche
or to take arms and think of something witty
 
2014-02-12 11:02:27 PM  

Mark Ratner: Have a seat over there. (Obscure?)


What, are you new here?
 
2014-02-12 11:02:39 PM  

jst3p: doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...

No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".


I don't into euphamisms. Love doesn't mean sex.

Anyway, I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm defending mentally weak and unstable victims of lazy police work under a misguided judicial philosophy. Maybe they are actually pedos, but I'd sooner eat my boots after tap dancing through a manure pile than take police at their word. There's a video of a cop shooting a dog that was growling at him after he kicked it in the head. No shiat, I'd growl at him, too.
 
2014-02-12 11:05:17 PM  

doglover: jst3p: doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...

No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".

I don't into euphamisms. Love doesn't mean sex.

Anyway, I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm defending mentally weak and unstable victims of lazy police work under a misguided judicial philosophy. Maybe they are actually pedos, but I'd sooner eat my boots after tap dancing through a manure pile than take police at their word. There's a video of a cop shooting a dog that was growling at him after he kicked it in the head. No shiat, I'd growl at him, too.


Do you have a comment on the response I gave you to the three married guys, two with children? Those aren't sick people, they are just bad people.
 
2014-02-12 11:17:19 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: one man who brought a Happy Meal with him to meet what he thought was a girl between 12 and 14 years old.

What kind of 13 year old would eat a Happy Meal?


A hungry one?
 
2014-02-12 11:22:59 PM  

Bucky Katt: Mark Ratner: Have a seat over there. (Obscure?)

What, are you new here?


No, but I can be a smart ass ;-/
www.largemouthbasspictures.com
 
2014-02-12 11:27:40 PM  

doglover: jst3p: doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...

No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".

I don't into euphamisms. Love doesn't mean sex.

Anyway, I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm defending mentally weak and unstable victims of lazy police work under a misguided judicial philosophy. Maybe they are actually pedos, but I'd sooner eat my boots after tap dancing through a manure pile than take police at their word. There's a video of a cop shooting a dog that was growling at him after he kicked it in the head. No shiat, I'd growl at him, too.


The problem is, you're assuming the police are targeting random people until they get a bite. That's not how it works. Often, the police only got involved after a parent called them because some sicko was talking to their kid online. megarian's joke upthread could be mistaken for a quote from many of the chat logs I've read.
 
2014-02-12 11:39:13 PM  
i just hope he brought apple slices instead of fries in the Happy Meal
 
2014-02-12 11:39:36 PM  

jst3p: doglover: jst3p: doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...

No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".

I don't into euphamisms. Love doesn't mean sex.

Anyway, I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm defending mentally weak and unstable victims of lazy police work under a misguided judicial philosophy. Maybe they are actually pedos, but I'd sooner eat my boots after tap dancing through a manure pile than take police at their word. There's a video of a cop shooting a dog that was growling at him after he kicked it in the head. No shiat, I'd growl at him, too.

Do you have a comment on the response I gave you to the three married guys, two with children? Those aren't sick people, they are just bad people.


Really? What are your qualifications for this assessment? Maybe you have a GED in psychology you'd like to share with us.
 
2014-02-12 11:41:28 PM  

fusillade762: Sheriff Borders said the men were prowling Facebook and other websites that are popular among underage children.

Facebook is not popular with children.

And I love how they post the names and employers of everyone arrested even though they haven't been convicted yet.


I'm on the fence about this one, they did show up.

However, just once I'd like to see the full transcript of the chats involved. I think there was a story a few weeks ago about a Florida guy lured in by a 19 yr old girl. The transcripts that the guy provided showed that the girl was pushing for sex with  her underage sister and the guy was politely turning her down. He expressed no interest in the sister and still got popped when he showed up for the meet.
 
2014-02-12 11:42:37 PM  
Seriously...why don't these guys just go to an escort service? I have a good friend that owns one (that I helped finance). He runs a complete background check on the workers, makes them get a medical report each month (he pays), and provides security. Some of the workers are as young as 20, but a couple of them could pass for 15. I have met most and all are happy with what they do. No problems, no hassle. The state should just legalize it, tax it, and regulate it. It is not going to go away. I am proud to say he is doing it the right way and not just pimping women out, but providing a service for both his workers and the clients.
 
2014-02-13 12:08:24 AM  
"The classy pedophile remembers to bring a Happy Meal for his date "

Yeah, but he pocketed the Happy Meal toy, which is not cool.

And ate some of the fries.
 
2014-02-13 12:44:36 AM  

SirEattonHogg: "The classy pedophile remembers to bring a Happy Meal for his date "

Yeah, but he pocketed the Happy Meal toy, which is not cool.

And ate some of the fries.


EVERYONE eats some of the fries when they buy another's meal.
 
2014-02-13 01:05:34 AM  

LoneWolf343: jst3p: doglover: jst3p: doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...

No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".

I don't into euphamisms. Love doesn't mean sex.

Anyway, I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm defending mentally weak and unstable victims of lazy police work under a misguided judicial philosophy. Maybe they are actually pedos, but I'd sooner eat my boots after tap dancing through a manure pile than take police at their word. There's a video of a cop shooting a dog that was growling at him after he kicked it in the head. No shiat, I'd growl at him, too.

Do you have a comment on the response I gave you to the three married guys, two with children? Those aren't sick people, they are just bad people.

Really? What are your qualifications for this assessment? Maybe you have a GED in psychology you'd like to share with us.


Somewhere "all criminals are sick and should get help instead of locked up" and "all criminals are bad people and deserve to suffer" is these guys. I have no reason to believe it is closer to the former than the latter. What is your opinion?
 
2014-02-13 01:06:30 AM  

jst3p: LoneWolf343: jst3p: doglover: jst3p: doglover: megarian: doglover:

That's my main gripe with the US. No compassion. Even the allegedly conpassionate just want to punish and legislate at all costs. That's why we have "anti-smoking" but not "healthy-lung" groups. Everyone just wants someone they don't like in jail on the taxpayer dime. It's not good.

As a Frequent Flyer in the judicial system, I have to agree.

Goddamnit dl, leave it to you to be completely reasonable.

People just think I'm an idiot because I'm an idiot.

Wait...

No disrespect, because I think you are OK, but I find it hilarious that the guy white knighting people who try and have sex with minors is named "dog lover".

I don't into euphamisms. Love doesn't mean sex.

Anyway, I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm defending mentally weak and unstable victims of lazy police work under a misguided judicial philosophy. Maybe they are actually pedos, but I'd sooner eat my boots after tap dancing through a manure pile than take police at their word. There's a video of a cop shooting a dog that was growling at him after he kicked it in the head. No shiat, I'd growl at him, too.

Do you have a comment on the response I gave you to the three married guys, two with children? Those aren't sick people, they are just bad people.

Really? What are your qualifications for this assessment? Maybe you have a GED in psychology you'd like to share with us.

Somewhere between "all criminals are sick and should get help instead of locked up" and "all criminals are bad people and deserve to suffer" is these guys. I have no reason to believe it is closer to the former than the latter. What is your opinion?

 
2014-02-13 10:48:31 AM  

jst3p: Nem Wan: This is legal in a majority of jurisdictions. Only 20 states have an age of consent higher than 16.

You might want to look a little closer. I believe most of the places where it is 16 and 17 have a "Romeo and Juliet" clause requiring that they be within 3 years of age. I am pretty sure a 35 year old banging a 16 year old is illegal in the majority of states.


I don't believe that's true... Any state with an actual age of consent of 16 means that they are able to consent to sex with anyone else at least as old, with no upper limit on age... (Some states do have separate heterosexual vs. homosexual ages of consent... Which is total unconstitutional bullshiat which will be overturned the first time anyone challenges it, I'm sure...) The "Romeo and Juliet" laws are all about cases were one party is under the state's age of consent, but the other party is within a certain number of years of age, so they consider it ok... But, they're not restrictions on top of the actual age of consent...
 
2014-02-13 12:30:51 PM  

dletter: ....or concerned that there are that many legit 13 year olds trying to get 35 year old guys over for sex that the cop raid ones are low enough of odds for these guys to take the chance.


I know a guy who found a girl like that online. He was around 30 and she was 14. Talked online and after a while he went to fark her. I fell out of contact with that guy but the last that I heard he knocked her up. Never did get verification of that part one way or the other.

swingerofbirches: A problem in the US is that people think they will be convicted for something just by talking to a mental health worker (which is not the case, but it's a misconception).


The US in general has a huge stigma about mental health issues. People will look down on you hardcore for it as if you're a broken, insane beyond redemption person for seeking help with mental issues. It's sad. Just seeing a mental health professional is a long process and can take weeks to get an appointment. Which really is bad if a person is borderline suicidal or going through a bad depression. Mental services in this country is pathetic.

IIRC a mental health professional is obliged to call the authorities if they believe that a person is an immediate danger to someone else or themself. So, theoretically, if someone seeks help for attraction to an underage person if the person they go to is a "think of the children" pearl clutcher they might go overboard and consider them a rape happy predator and call the cops. Hopefully a professional is beyond that but children is a touchy subject to many people, understandable so. Hell, when fathers are scared to be the lone chaperone with their daughter and friends because of the potential of a life ruining false accusation it's understandable that someone might not want to bring up an innate attraction to sub 18 girls to anyone. If even they would never actually act on it.
 
2014-02-13 01:22:10 PM  

RobSeace: jst3p: Nem Wan: This is legal in a majority of jurisdictions. Only 20 states have an age of consent higher than 16.

You might want to look a little closer. I believe most of the places where it is 16 and 17 have a "Romeo and Juliet" clause requiring that they be within 3 years of age. I am pretty sure a 35 year old banging a 16 year old is illegal in the majority of states.

I don't believe that's true... Any state with an actual age of consent of 16 means that they are able to consent to sex with anyone else at least as old, with no upper limit on age... (Some states do have separate heterosexual vs. homosexual ages of consent... Which is total unconstitutional bullshiat which will be overturned the first time anyone challenges it, I'm sure...) The "Romeo and Juliet" laws are all about cases were one party is under the state's age of consent, but the other party is within a certain number of years of age, so they consider it ok... But, they're not restrictions on top of the actual age of consent...


I find it funny that decided to name those laws after a couple who were infamously fatally dysfunctional.
 
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