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(Jalopnik)   Raleigh-Durham, jealous of all the winter press Atlanta has gotten, turns interstate into parking lot   (jalopnik.com) divider line 178
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2014-02-12 07:31:04 PM  

ChrisDe: Can someone explain why staying in a warm car is worse than walking home in a storm? Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years. Again, there was a lot of warning about this storm.


Because your car will eventually run out of gas and become an obstacle in the middle of a road?
 
2014-02-12 07:31:49 PM  

MrHappyRotter: MFAWG: MrHappyRotter: A modern, 4WD Urban Assault Vehicle should be able to handle 4 or 5 inches snow providing the driver isn't an idiot.

A lot of people think that.  And somehow that seems to embolden them as they spin around, out of control, on the solid sheet of ice covering the roads.


The last time it snowed here I was a passenger in one such 4WD vehicle, and the driver was complaining about how people were driving too slowly in the snow while turning left through an intersection, and as he sped up to pass his car spun helplessly in a 270.

But despite the asshats, I think the biggest problem is no one in the RTP buys tires based on how well they handle in the snow.  Tires make a huge difference on traction, and that exacerbates the lack of driving skills.  All the northern transplants from where you get a lot of snow either buy all seasons that can handle snow or swap on snow tires in the winter.  5 or 7 years in the south with no snow means people are choosing tires that can't handle snow since they suck in the summer.
 
2014-02-12 07:32:59 PM  

mosten: The Poors drive shiatty cars with bald tires while talking on their phones


As opposed to the "Poors" everywhere else, where they drive BMWs with new tires?
 
2014-02-12 07:33:20 PM  

mosten: I had to leave a football field length between me and the car in front of me so my truck could get momentum on hills.


You sound like a poor.
 
2014-02-12 07:33:45 PM  

ChrisDe: Can someone explain why staying in a warm car is worse than walking home in a storm? Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years. Again, there was a lot of warning about this storm.


Because if your car hasn't moved in four hours, and isn't going to, a little walk outside ain't gonna kill ya.

/don't look at me, 80s this weekend here
 
2014-02-12 07:34:29 PM  

MrHappyRotter: I only wish I'd have picked up some beer when I went grocery shopping this weekend.  After my harrowing trip home from work, I could use a drink.

It might've calmed my nerves and also helped me to process this observation: There were a proportionately high number of SUVs and Lexuses abandoned on the side of the road.  Any theories?  Is there something about a Lexus or Lexus driver that makes them more prone to getting stuck in these kinds of conditions?  What about SUVs?  Something about the high center of mass and/or over confidence such vehicles impart on drivers?


Don't have a definitive answer for you, but we see it every November up here in Anchorage when the first *real* winter storm comes in.  SUV's with "true 4WD" (lockable hubs, either manual or automatic) that are driven in a reasonable manner have no issues at all, while the Urban Assault Vehicles (with AWD) can't seem to find traction to save their lives.  Normally see 2 or 3 on their roofs in just my short 6 mile commute.

But it can't be the AWD itself as the issue, because small cars like Subarus or the Mitsubishi Evo do even better than most.  So I'm gonna pull some figures from the Direclyoutamybutt Institute and say it is 49.6% the top heavy all wheel drive commando vehicles design issues and 50.4% the people who drive said vehicles.
 
2014-02-12 07:38:40 PM  

mosten: I'm a fairly recent transplant to Charlotte, NC.  What I noticed today....

1. The Poors drive shiatty cars with bald tires while talking on their phones (presumably telling someone how slick the roads are)(Because shiatty cars with bald tires are fine when it's dry).
2. There is zero attempt at clearing roads.  No plows, sand trucks, etc.  We have to wait for it to melt.
3. At the first sign of anything wet, people immediately slow to 10mph, turn on their hazards, and brake constantly.
4. Any snow that falls before 3pm will melt.  Anything that melts will freeze as soon as it gets dark.
5. I didn't see anyone driving to fast.  Everyone was driving too slow. I had to leave a football field length between me and the car in front of me so my truck could get momentum on hills.
6. fark snow.


Highway plow trucks have a nose plow that is as wide as a single lane, add in a wing plow  and you will never get through traffic like that cleaning the roads, especially with all the people from point 1 on the roads.

Sand cant be put down if it is snowing and blowing, that just increases the amount of snow that sticks to the road.  Sodium would work though.

Source: I drive highway plow trucks for a provincial government in Canada
 
2014-02-12 07:38:49 PM  
They hate Jews over there.
 
2014-02-12 07:39:44 PM  
WRAL is reporting 150 plus traffic accidents in Durham alone. The ER at Duke Hospital had to put mass casualty triage into effect.

And don't let the Yankees gloat about it, >1" of snow per hour (we were exceeding that for a couple hours this afternoon) and we didn't go out unless we had to. Over 6" of snow and school would get delayed until the plows did their thing, or just cancelled if it was real nasty. Put a Yankee in a car with all season tires on unsalted/plowed roads and it would be Snowmageddon up there too.
 
2014-02-12 07:39:51 PM  

LessO2: ChrisDe: Can someone explain why staying in a warm car is worse than walking home in a storm? Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years. Again, there was a lot of warning about this storm.

Because your car will eventually run out of gas and become an obstacle in the middle of a road?


When it gets really cold here(Chicago), I keep the car at a min or 3/4 of a tank, no matter how much it breaks me
 
2014-02-12 07:40:58 PM  

bohica: Well - the headline should say "AGAIN" = RDU started the whole "total area gridlock" thing back in 2005.  Again today.  In 2005 I found some back ways to get home and made it without incident.  Today there was NOTHING that was not driveable in a honda accord, but there were hudreds of idiots doing things like gridlocking intersections because you never know if the light will turn green again, spinning their tires into oblivion after stopping on uphill grades, and driving pickup trucks in general.  15 metric assloads of fail out there today, and it took me 5 hours to get home a 13 mile commute.  Again, nothing not driveable, just failures behind the wheel.


Nuh uh.  It's 'cause snowstorms are magic and shiat in the South.  It's Jeebus trying to test them again and stuff.  It couldn't possibly be due to the fact that these people are just imbeciles.

Congrats to Raleigh.  You've managed to make Atlanta look less stupid.
 
2014-02-12 07:43:04 PM  
They pay kids to smoke crack.
 
2014-02-12 07:43:45 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: LessO2: ChrisDe: Can someone explain why staying in a warm car is worse than walking home in a storm? Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years. Again, there was a lot of warning about this storm.

Because your car will eventually run out of gas and become an obstacle in the middle of a road?

When it gets really cold here(Chicago), I keep the car at a min or 3/4 of a tank, no matter how much it breaks me


Local lore says that this is a good idea not only in case you get stranded in traffic for a few hours, but keeping your fuel tank above 1/2 full when the temperature drops below 20 degrees is supposed to prevent water condensation in said tank.

Well, that's the claim.  27 winters and I haven't personally had car problems that stemmed from "condensation in the fuel tank."

/but it can't hurt...
 
2014-02-12 07:48:41 PM  
This may have been covered already, but I thought the last southerner in the RDU area moved out in the late 80's.
 
2014-02-12 07:50:17 PM  
Just be careful about how much snow is falling.

During the Oct Blizzard in Colorado several years back, a lot of people died on the highways running their engines to keep warm because snow blocked their exhaust pipes and they died of carbon Monoxide poisoning.
 
2014-02-12 07:51:03 PM  

czei: I've been sitting at home in Chapel Hill telecommuting most of the day since Dark Sky forecast a 90% chance of heavy snow starting at 12PM.  Can't figure out why people bothered to drive to work, only to flood the streets when it started to snow, insuring a huge traffic jam even if the roads weren't covered with snow.

Not to miss out on the fun I did venture forth in my 4WD rally car intending on finding a remote parking lot, but only narrowly missed getting hit by three SUVs in a row running a stop sign, and then immediately got stuck in a line of cars that couldn't make it up a 1% grade.

I don't mind staying in, but I have $200 tickets to see a concert in Durham and the Carolina Theater has a strict "no refund" policy, and while my car could make it in a mere 4" of snow, every since road between here and Durham is stopped dead.


http://www.carolinatheatre.org/events/canceled-pat-metheny
They canceled the shows and are offering refunds btw.
 
2014-02-12 07:52:58 PM  

doyner: Everybody hurts.


sometimes.
 
2014-02-12 08:02:55 PM  

orezona: What actual Snowmaggedon looks like:

[scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x960]

Glenwood Ave.




Holy shiat? Where is that on Glenwood, up by Crabtree?

/used to live in Cameron Village
//miss Foundation's awesome recession Sunday drink menu
 
2014-02-12 08:03:54 PM  

brokenslide: FTA: but with a windchill of 12 degrees, staying in the car if you're stuck is hardly a desirable alternative

Umm...if you are stalled in a car and it is dangerously cold (not saying that 12 with windchill is terribly cold, but probably feels that way for some...) then staying in your car is the EXACT thing you want to do...


Of course, you could wander around the roads dodging sliding cars and fighting frost bite. But maybe there is a Waffle House nearby, so the wandering is kept to a minimum...


Yup. There's no windchill in a car. The reporter is simply an idiot.
 
2014-02-12 08:04:37 PM  

Semper IvXx: Benevolent Misanthrope: with a windchill of 12 degrees

Ummmm... yeahhhhh...  Wind chill here today is -40.  It's the same in Centigrade or Fahrenheit and it's damn cold.  12F is -11C - that's getting close to shirtsleeve weather in a Northern Alberta winter.

Yes because all those farking people were stuck because it was cold.

What is it today with Fark? Herpa derpa southerners can't drive in a little snow lolllll!!! It's icy, jackasses. Dangerously so, no one should be driving and no one (yes not even you guy who says "I'm good at driving in the snow durr") can drive on it safely. The highways are full of idiots like you who thought "oh I can handle a little cold and snow" and now their dumbasses are abandoning their cars on the farking interstate.

The funny thing about the RDU area? It's mostly transplanted northerners who insist a little snow is no big deal where they're from. Enjoy your farking 20 mile walk in the snow idiots, but hey you're a total Internet badass because a little snow doesn't stop you from driving.

/it wasn't even cold during the day, but it still snowed about 8 inches and now it's got a nice slick sheet of about a 1/4 inch of ice right on top of it, with more over night
//yes, I know you could drive on it because you're extra special living someplace cold, ice doesn't affect your car the way it does those stupid southerners


I never said that's why they were stuck, asshole. I was mocking the dramatic tone of the article over an above-zero wind chill.

Now Fark off.
 
2014-02-12 08:04:42 PM  

BalugaJoe: They hate Jews over there.


Ummm..
 
2014-02-12 08:05:27 PM  
Sounds better than Atlanta 2 weeks ago.  A coworker needed almost 10 hours to go 8 miles. Though he drives a jeep so he pulled a bunch of people out of the ditch and up hills.

It took me 6 hours to drive what normally is about 15 miles but with detours was more like 20.

That being said, I've driven from Edmonton to Calgary during a snowstorm, and that was easier than what I had to deal with 2 weeks ago in Atlanta and what's outside right now.
 
2014-02-12 08:06:10 PM  

BalugaJoe: They pay kids to smoke crack.


Who?
 
2014-02-12 08:07:33 PM  

MindStalker: czei: I've been sitting at home in Chapel Hill telecommuting most of the day since Dark Sky forecast a 90% chance of heavy snow starting at 12PM.  Can't figure out why people bothered to drive to work, only to flood the streets when it started to snow, insuring a huge traffic jam even if the roads weren't covered with snow.

Not to miss out on the fun I did venture forth in my 4WD rally car intending on finding a remote parking lot, but only narrowly missed getting hit by three SUVs in a row running a stop sign, and then immediately got stuck in a line of cars that couldn't make it up a 1% grade.

I don't mind staying in, but I have $200 tickets to see a concert in Durham and the Carolina Theater has a strict "no refund" policy, and while my car could make it in a mere 4" of snow, every since road between here and Durham is stopped dead.

http://www.carolinatheatre.org/events/canceled-pat-metheny
They canceled the shows and are offering refunds btw.


Thanks for letting me know!  When I called this afternoon they were still giving telling people the "no refunds" policy.
 
2014-02-12 08:09:25 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: orezona: What actual Snowmaggedon looks like:

[scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x960]

Glenwood Ave.

Holy shiat? Where is that on Glenwood, up by Crabtree?

/used to live in Cameron Village
//miss Foundation's awesome recession Sunday drink menu


Near Umstead / 540 in North Raleigh.  Not too far from Crabtree, maybe several miles north of it.
 
2014-02-12 08:11:35 PM  
Hey, Triangle. I hear you're all snowy. Can't say I'm sorry I'm missing it - don't forget the milk and bread!
 
2014-02-12 08:11:36 PM  
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-02-12 08:18:49 PM  
snowblowing the driveway on the hour...gonna be a long night.
 
2014-02-12 08:20:01 PM  
Meanwhile in Atlanta , everyone stayed home and for once, this did not happen.
 
2014-02-12 08:25:05 PM  
I'm in Wilmington, been powerless since last night(they're saying Saturday for power) and my car was a literal ice cube this morning. Only one of my friends have power at yrs point, it's insane./the county and city owns no plows//neither does the state, they're county owned
 
2014-02-12 08:27:24 PM  
I stayed home today in (metro) Atlanta and thought all day I could have gone to work. Two weeks ago I went to work and was all "shiat, how am I going to get home."

Shrug

I wonder what the weather people of Raleigh-Durham told the populace, cause two weeks ago the event was going to be south of Atlanta.
 
2014-02-12 08:33:33 PM  

Huskadoodle: I stayed home today in (metro) Atlanta and thought all day I could have gone to work. Two weeks ago I went to work and was all "shiat, how am I going to get home."

Shrug

I wonder what the weather people of Raleigh-Durham told the populace, cause two weeks ago the event was going to be south of Atlanta.


Last night they were constantly recalculating the path of the storm and where would get hit with what and when.  Even this morning a friend posted some radar screenshot on FB about how it was seemingly creeping around here-

fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-02-12 08:34:04 PM  

skinink: The Dukes of Blizzard.


+1 You win one (1) frozen Internet.
 
2014-02-12 08:34:14 PM  

oldernell: It's God's retaliation for the way the right wink un-Jesus republicans are running the state.


oldernell: Right wing, as in bird.


I dunno. I think "right wink" works as an apt descriptor for the GOP. It lends them the air of a closeted homosexual using code to keep his relationship on the down-low.

/kinda like the 'wider stance' of a few years back
 
2014-02-12 08:36:41 PM  
Freak the freak out.
 
2014-02-12 08:40:42 PM  

Unobtanium: dumbandilikeit: It took my hubby over 3 hours to go 7 miles. And he's a mechanic so he couldn't really work from home.

Everyone was told that the snow would start at noon.  And it did.  But it stuck to the ground immediately and snowed at about 1" an hour.  Between noon and 4pm had over 6". Roads were even pre-treated.

So lots of people went in for a half day and then everyone left precisely at noon, right when the snow came down hard.

Pretreatment can only do so much. The traffic probably swept most of it away.

Here in Atlanta, I am teleworking. But I am not a mechanic. We prepared as well as we could without buying a generator. Lucky so far.



Atlantan here.  We decided to work from home today, too.  What a weird storm.  We didn't get any real snow here, but we did very fine ice rain (?) that had a very peculiar sound when it was falling (it sounded much softer and hushed than rain...very cool sounding).    The ground is covered in white; it looks like snow, but it isn't.  It's fluffy ice---almost like snow cone ice---that makes a distinctive, soft crunchy noise.

Everything is covered in a shell of ice about 1/2 an inch thick.  Weird.
 
2014-02-12 08:44:33 PM  
Around 15 years ago, there was a terrible ice storm here the same night as an event we had secured tickets for a couple of months previously. I suggested we give it a pass but was out voted. [You married men will know what I mean.] As we came onto the interstate, through a rock cut, there was an automobile on the shoulder of the road, nose downward and car trunk in the air. I hope I've described that so you can marvel at it, too. Almost all of the momentum at that point should have taken the car to the opposite side of the road, onto the median.

Ice on roads is a terrible danger. Stay off it.
 
2014-02-12 08:46:45 PM  

Gleeman: Put a Yankee in a car with all season tires on unsalted/plowed roads and it would be Snowmageddon up there too.


Except most Yanks are smart enough to stay home in icy weather or blizzard-like conditions.

OK, some.

OK, a vast minority.

/I stay home, at least.
 
2014-02-12 08:47:19 PM  

MrHappyRotter: It might've calmed my nerves and also helped me to process this observation: There were a proportionately high number of SUVs and Lexuses abandoned on the side of the road.  Any theories?  Is there something about a Lexus or Lexus driver that makes them more prone to getting stuck in these kinds of conditions?  What about SUVs?  Something about the high center of mass and/or over confidence such vehicles impart on drivers?


I have a Lexus SUV (the RX) and it's handling things fine here in Atlanta.  No problems whatsoever during the first Snowmageddon a couple weeks ago.  I didn't drive it today, though.  I stayed in.
 
2014-02-12 08:47:45 PM  
Hudson valley ny here. next up for this storm. 10-14 inches expected. still going to work. have a beastly old jeep with new tires on it. the key is understanding that u can't still do 65 mph. slow the fark down and do what your vehicle could handle. I spend more time trying to avoid the people who have no business being out in the storm. i learned how to drive in the winter in the snow. i know what i can do or can't and am willing to admit defeat. if you don't know wtf your doing gtfo the road. you're a danger to yourself and everyone else.

/hour commute on a normal day is an hour. ill budget time for double that.
//would take off but my salary is based off 8 hours of overtime a week
/// if i take a sick day vacation day or holiday i lose the over time
 
2014-02-12 08:48:13 PM  
Today I learned that Southerners have massive chips on their shoulders.  Does all of your self esteem come from whether people thing you are good drivers?
 
2014-02-12 08:50:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-12 08:52:01 PM  

res_nihil: Huskadoodle: I stayed home today in (metro) Atlanta and thought all day I could have gone to work. Two weeks ago I went to work and was all "shiat, how am I going to get home."

Shrug

I wonder what the weather people of Raleigh-Durham told the populace, cause two weeks ago the event was going to be south of Atlanta.

Last night they were constantly recalculating the path of the storm and where would get hit with what and when.  Even this morning a friend posted some radar screenshot on FB about how it was seemingly creeping around here-

[fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net image 640x480]


I worked from home and watched that same radar.  It was so deceiving.  Yes but they consistently said since Monday that it would start here around Noon.  So folks figured "Oh, I'll just leave work around noon".  They had no concept of the intensity, which was also warned.
 
2014-02-12 08:52:23 PM  
That's what happened two weeks ago on the coast in NC. This time it was sleet then the temperature dropped and it froze. Now trees are down and poles have snapped downtown and most of the town is without power.
 
2014-02-12 08:53:03 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Because of a lot of us work at places that didn't give employees the option to stay home, or that offered but did so in a way that it was clear that if you did stay home, it was going to affect your next performance review -- after all, everyone else on your team came into work.


Exactly. And some places only close down when it starts snowing, or when it starts accumulating. I can't imagine many of the people stranded are out there for shiats and giggles - they're on the road because they felt like they had to be, either because they'd get in trouble or they'd put their coworkers in a bind.

I'm lucky, I know - I'm walking distance from work and several stores. I'd hate to live 20 miles away from the city and feel like I'd have to risk my life to get to work or buy groceries. (Also I think the Triad isn't getting it quite as hard as the Triangle.)

Also, I could do with a lot less of the Northern attitude. You're not less susceptible to physics, you're just from an area where the infrastructure is better equipped to handle this. It'd be like my traveling to an underdeveloped nation and bragging because I smelled better than the natives, forgetting that I have the luxury of daily showers and the ability to clean my clothes with the press of a button.
 
2014-02-12 08:54:02 PM  

Rapmaster2000: EasyWind: I was in this madness today.  16 miles in 5 hours!  I really wasn't that bad...except for the drivers.  The usual 4X4 enthusiasts with an invincibility complex piled up on the shoulders.

However, some of the 'Fast & Furious' fans abandoned their cars and walked since they could get zero traction.  That was priceless.

5 hours!?  Pfft.  I once drove a Ford Escort through 8 feet of snow to pick up a twelve pack of Michelob - the working-class man's high-class beer.  I could have driven that in 30 minutes tops playing REO Speedwagon on repeat.  #RidingTheStormOut #ChampaignReprese


fark yeah! I had a 65 Mustang with some L60 snow tires that would have went there and back in 20 min and had time to smoke a doob on the way.
 
2014-02-12 08:54:53 PM  

rev. dave: Meanwhile in Atlanta , everyone stayed home and for once, this did not happen.


No one [in Atlanta] was on the roads yesterday, either, even though it was well above freezing and there was only a tiny bit of drizzly rain.  I managed to drive over to Decatur, pick up my car, return the loaner Lexus, and make it back home in about an hour...an impossible feat during ordinary Atlanta traffic.
 
2014-02-12 08:54:57 PM  

orezona: What actual Snowmaggedon looks like:

[scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x960]

Glenwood Ave.


cdn.abclocal.go.com

If you pull up google maps, load this address, and then use streetview, you can see right where the fire was.

9309 U.S. 70, Raleigh, North Carolina, United States
 
2014-02-12 08:56:41 PM  
If you're watching WRAL right now, they're heading down Glenwood (my route home) and there are soooooooo many abandoned vehicles it's not even funny.
 
2014-02-12 08:59:22 PM  

BalugaJoe: They hate Jews over there.


You know, South Carolina had the largest Jewish population in North America at one time:

"Owing to the liberal constitution of South Carolina and the fortunate position of the Jews at Charleston, that city by 1800 had the largest Jewish population in North America. Beth Elohim had 107 contributing members in that year, and 125 members two years later."
 
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