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2014-02-12 02:31:01 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.

I have you farkied as a racist who thinks it should be legal to refuse business to black people.  You're either trolling or you're just hoping that laws like this will eventually come around to the minorities you REALLY want to discriminate against.


I'll be shocked if he comes back in and tries to double-down on the derp. I'm sure his phone is blowing up with Fark alerts.
 
2014-02-12 02:31:03 PM  
Jeezuz tapdancing christ on a cracker.

someone just shoot all of them please.
 
2014-02-12 02:31:41 PM  

cchris_39: FTA -

While government agencies would still be mandated to render services to Kansans, individual clerks would be empowered to refuse assistance to individuals that violated their religious beliefs on marriage.

If an individual employee objects on religious grounds, they will be assigned to employee who does not object and still get same services rendered to other Kansans.  That's all it says.

Nothing in the bill to limit or deny services to gay couples.

That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.


"Separate but equal"...isn't.

You're hired by the state to perform a service. FULL STOP.

If you cannot provide that service in "good conscience" to 100% of the people who legally request it - be they white, middle aged, able-bodied Christians or young, brown-skinned, turban-wearing, thrice disabled (one of them an Autism-spectrum disorder) gay Sikhs - find a different job. You don't get to substitute your judgement for the state's when it comes to things the state's already decided on with legislatures and courts and everything.
 
2014-02-12 02:32:11 PM  

cchris_39: FTA -

While government agencies would still be mandated to render services to Kansans, individual clerks would be empowered to refuse assistance to individuals that violated their religious beliefs on marriage.

If an individual employee objects on religious grounds, they will be assigned to employee who does not object and still get same services rendered to other Kansans.  That's all it says.

Nothing in the bill to limit or deny services to gay couples.

That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.


How 'bout this compromise: Do the farking job you're paid to do and provide service to your fellow citizens without letting your bronze-age barbarism get in the way, and you won't be fired for taking a paycheck without fulfilling your employment duties.

That seems not only pretty reasonable, but actually ought to be the law everywhere in a country ostensibly founded on personal liberty and separation of church and state.
 
2014-02-12 02:33:02 PM  

kidgenius: And if you are in the middle of bum-fark nowhere and you have one sheriff and two deputies that make up the local police department and they are all bigoted a-holes that dont' want to help you....what are you going to do?


Probably move.

What was Wilford Brimley line, "we have 11 Democrats in the county and we know who they are.......".
 
2014-02-12 02:33:59 PM  

Mrembo: ladodger34: TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.

If those cake makers had any sense at all, they would have just said, 'Sorry, our schedule is already full that weekend'.

If they were really smart, they would talk with a competitor and send the gay clients that way. Like 'hey, we might be booked up that weekend, but check QueerCakes to see if they are available, here's their card'

But how would we know that they don't approve of gay marriage???

/Imho, it wasn't about "being smart", it was about "being martyrs"...


No doubt. They wanted everyone to know they hated the homogheys.
 
2014-02-12 02:34:47 PM  

busy chillin': Aquapope: Voiceofreason01: Aquapope: I'm a Kansan, born and raised for almost my whole life

I can smell the Johnson County on you from all the way over here.

You're from Wyandotte County, how can you smell anything over the meth fumes?

I'm in Lawrence. I can barely see you guys fighting through all this weed smoke.


lived in Lawrence for a while, I kinda miss it but sadly jobs are few and far between and it's too far for me to want to commute.
 
2014-02-12 02:35:36 PM  

Theaetetus: Anti-discrimination law is up to the states under the 10th Amendment


You cited the 10th Amendment?  That's adorable.
 
2014-02-12 02:35:38 PM  

cchris_39: If an individual employee objects on religious grounds, they will be assigned to employee who does not object and still get same services rendered to other Kansans.


If an employee won't do their job, why are they even there?
 
2014-02-12 02:36:49 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I'll be shocked if he comes back in and tries to double-down on the derp. I'm sure his phone is blowing up with Fark alerts.


Eh.  Not like we don't have a lot of troll accounts who don't like to thread shiat once and then leave the room.
 
2014-02-12 02:36:50 PM  

cchris_39: kidgenius: And if you are in the middle of bum-fark nowhere and you have one sheriff and two deputies that make up the local police department and they are all bigoted a-holes that dont' want to help you....what are you going to do?

Probably move.

What was Wilford Brimley line, "we have 11 Democrats in the county and we know who they are.......".


What if you can't afford to move?
 
2014-02-12 02:38:59 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Just f**king secede already.


The people are more than welcome to secede.. the land... belongs to the union

/have fun!
 
2014-02-12 02:39:14 PM  

iq_in_binary: kidgenius: Aquapope: I'm a Kansan, born and raised for almost my whole life.  I apologize.  I really do.  I can't explain Kansas.  I actually know the wife (dated her in high school) of one of the GOP bigwigs in the Kansas Government, and she used to be a very liberal person.  Then something happened to her...  Kansas has always been pretty Jesusy, but it's turned incredibly virulent in the last 10 years.

I live about 2 miles from this dirtbag Macheers, and I can attest that everybody around here is the wealthy-class, "I got mine, fark you", afraid-of-everything kind of GOP bastard.  Somehow that plutocrat idealology gets a religious nut sidecar and that's cool to these people.  It's turned the local school district from one of the best in the nation in the early 90s to just another mediocre, underfunded indoctrination machine for Koch clones.

I'm the only non-lunatic, non-religious person in my extended family except my lesbian cousin who moved to Oregon in the 70s and my father who has turned from the dark side in the last 10 years because of the growing evil of Brownbackistan.  Everybody else in my family lost their minds when a black guy was elected president.  Before you ask "Why don't you move", well, it's my home and I'd rather stay and try to fix it, or if I can't do that, try to protect my nieces and nephews from becoming pod-people.

Again, I'm so sorry for Kansas.  All I can say is please enjoy KU hoops as a very small, somewhat redeeming aspect of this rectum of a state.

/crying in the corner of a rectangular state...

Tell ya what, go slapping bumper stickers that say "Four More Years" with the O's replaced by Obama's campaign logo. Alternatively, you could slap rainbow bumper stickers or the equality bumper sticker (yellow "=" on blue background). Preferably do this to the pick-up trucks. Extra points if said trucks have a set of nutz hanging from the tow hitch.

He better do it at night and decked out in black. That very well could get you shot in ...


At night, looking black, perchance wearing a hoodie ... you think that would make him less likely to get shot at?
 
2014-02-12 02:39:57 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: If an individual employee objects on religious grounds, they will be assigned to employee who does not object and still get same services rendered to other Kansans.

If an employee won't do their job, why are they even there?


So now we are talking about Republicans in DC?
 
2014-02-12 02:40:01 PM  

cchris_39: FTA -

While government agencies would still be mandated to render services to Kansans, individual clerks would be empowered to refuse assistance to individuals that violated their religious beliefs on marriage.

If an individual employee objects on religious grounds, they will be assigned to employee who does not object and still get same services rendered to other Kansans.  That's all it says.

Nothing in the bill to limit or deny services to gay couples.

That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.



I would love to get a job as a clerk and deny all sorts of services to people who I disagree with on "religious beliefs" and let see how reasonable they react
 
2014-02-12 02:41:39 PM  

Aquapope: I'm a Kansan, born and raised for almost my whole life.  I apologize.  I really do.  I can't explain Kansas.  I actually know the wife (dated her in high school) of one of the GOP bigwigs in the Kansas Government, and she used to be a very liberal person.  Then something happened to her...  Kansas has always been pretty Jesusy, but it's turned incredibly virulent in the last 10 years.

I live about 2 miles from this dirtbag Macheers, and I can attest that everybody around here is the wealthy-class, "I got mine, fark you", afraid-of-everything kind of GOP bastard.  Somehow that plutocrat idealology gets a religious nut sidecar and that's cool to these people.  It's turned the local school district from one of the best in the nation in the early 90s to just another mediocre, underfunded indoctrination machine for Koch clones.

I'm the only non-lunatic, non-religious person in my extended family except my lesbian cousin who moved to Oregon in the 70s and my father who has turned from the dark side in the last 10 years because of the growing evil of Brownbackistan.  Everybody else in my family lost their minds when a black guy was elected president.  Before you ask "Why don't you move", well, it's my home and I'd rather stay and try to fix it, or if I can't do that, try to protect my nieces and nephews from becoming pod-people.

Again, I'm so sorry for Kansas.  All I can say is please enjoy KU hoops as a very small, somewhat redeeming aspect of this rectum of a state.

/crying in the corner of a rectangular state...


We moved to the MIssouri side over 10 years ago for the same reason. It seemed like common discourse had left and schools were going down hill (and moving further south).  There was a feeling of "I got mine" and we didnt like it.  Sadly way up north where we live now (Liberty area), it has turned into the same thing.  But we are 7 years from paying off the house and kids are in High School now so we are stuck for a few years.

I grew up in Colorado which always leaned liberal but was fairly conservative growing up (they shut down a strip club to "save the children" . But it seams like it has gone very liberal now.  So we may move back when the kids are grown. We joke about opening a pot shop in Kanarado (town on the Kansas/ Colorado border). We figure like all the closet gays in Kansas, there is a huge number of Pot Heads and you would make a mint.
 
2014-02-12 02:42:38 PM  

cchris_39: kidgenius: And if you are in the middle of bum-fark nowhere and you have one sheriff and two deputies that make up the local police department and they are all bigoted a-holes that dont' want to help you....what are you going to do?

Probably move.

What was Wilford Brimley line, "we have 11 Democrats in the county and we know who they are.......".


Oh christ, you're a states-righter...

Look, I'm all for states-rights. But, being discriminatory is not a right that the government gets to have.
 
2014-02-12 02:42:58 PM  

cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.


Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.
 
2014-02-12 02:44:50 PM  
tobcc:

I clicked your link. Kanarado is in Kansas. You would have to go down the road a bit to Burlington, CO.
 
2014-02-12 02:50:45 PM  

busy chillin': keylock71: Pants full of macaroni!!: Just f**king secede already.

fark that... These shiatkickers already lost a war over that.


What war did we lose?


Bleeding Kansas 1854-1861.
 
2014-02-12 02:52:03 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-12 02:53:56 PM  

thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.


Do you think people should be forced to set aside their religious beliefs when other people are willing to serve you?
 
2014-02-12 02:56:33 PM  

cchris_39: thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.

Do you think people should be forced to set aside their religious beliefs when other people are willing to serve you?


Are they paid to serve me? If so, yes.
 
2014-02-12 02:57:57 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: busy chillin': keylock71: Pants full of macaroni!!: Just f**king secede already.

fark that... These shiatkickers already lost a war over that.


What war did we lose?

Bleeding Kansas 1854-1861.


My Kansas History teacher would be pissed right now, but we didn't lose, that was just the time-frame it took to figure it all out. If we had lost wouldn't we have been a slave state?

Like it matters now. It makes me wonder now if the Republicans are pissed they freed the slaves. That would really improve their bottom lines.
 
2014-02-12 03:02:33 PM  

cchris_39: thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.

Do you think people should be forced to set aside their religious beliefs when other people are willing to serve you?




Short Answer: Yes
Longer Answer: Hell Yes!
 
2014-02-12 03:05:47 PM  
Ah, so even though your services are not at all compromised you would force others to disregard their own religious beliefs.

Thanks for letting us know your true feelings on the matter.
 
2014-02-12 03:06:46 PM  

cchris_39: thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.

Do you think people should be forced to set aside their religious beliefs when other people are willing to serve you?


Umm... forced? No, they are free to find another job if their beliefs prevent them from doing this one.
 
2014-02-12 03:07:02 PM  

cchris_39: thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.

Do you think people should be forced to set aside their religious beliefs when other people are willing to serve you?.


[MS Word Paperclip]
Oops, looks like you phrased that as a question.  Don't worry, I modified it for you.  I know I'd sure hate to look like a bigoted arsehole.
 
2014-02-12 03:08:16 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.


Do you understand the purpose of anti-discrimination laws? Apparently not.

It becomes MUCH  more important in places such as small towns in rural areas, where there is only a single grocer, a single bank etc. and low income levels. Those people who are affected by the discrimination end up suffering an entirely arbitrary rise in cost of living, or, worse, an inability to receive important things like medical care  just because asshats like you think somehow that the freedom to discriminate should be upheld.

The only place where you tripe even comes close to stand up is in larger areas (cities, or suburbs) where there are multiple places where virtually every sort of business can be done. Guess what: It's not worth making an open set of rules and then tightening them just for the rural areas where it becomes crucial because...

1) The rural areas are more likely to suffer that sort of discrimination.

2) The state is under no requirement to give out business licenses, and can impose any restriction at all on having one.

If you hadn't already painted yourself as somewhat willfully ignorant, I'm sure my comment would be useful, but as it is, I expect you fully to somehow continue this insane idiocy, possibly with a dollop of "Why are you being intolerant of bigotry!!?!?!11" to drive home exactly how stupid you are.
 
2014-02-12 03:08:44 PM  
kansas is racist because it is afraid
 
2014-02-12 03:09:48 PM  

cchris_39: Ah, so even though your services are not at all compromised you would force others to disregard their own religious beliefs.


If you can't or won't do the job, quit.
 
2014-02-12 03:11:03 PM  

Rann Xerox: In the below photo, I will let the viewer determine which person represents the state of Kansas and which person represents Article Six of the United States Constitution (Clause 2), also known as the Supremacy Clause:

[i78.photobucket.com image 640x517]


Goddamn I love the look on Glenn Ford's face in that photo. Satisfaction.
 
2014-02-12 03:11:48 PM  

thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.


Not really, no. This is more the issue where Conservatives need to face the fact that, to any sane, thinking person, religion should not dictate civil rights and individual civil rights should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS trump state rights.
 
2014-02-12 03:13:02 PM  
If you're serving the public and you're asshooligan religion doesn't allow you to serve the public

why the sam-hell are you serving the public you hypocrites!

/they want to be seen as a legitimate business, without being one
 
2014-02-12 03:13:30 PM  

I drunk what: kansas is racist because it is afraid


It makes me feel a little better that this kind of shiat is likely to be overturned in the courts soon, but each new piece of legislation and each new layer of official bigotry makes that process take a little longer and makes it a little more painful for everyone involved. It really pisses me off.
 
2014-02-12 03:14:21 PM  

Leishu: thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.

Not really, no. This is more the issue where Conservatives need to face the fact that, to any sane, thinking person, religion should not dictate civil rights and individual civil rights should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS trump state rights.


And they think Obama is shredding the constitution. But you know, it is hard to read all the way to first amendment.
 
2014-02-12 03:15:19 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I drunk what: kansas is racist because it is afraid

It makes me feel a little better that this kind of shiat is likely to be overturned in the courts soon, but each new piece of legislation and each new layer of official bigotry makes that process take a little longer and makes it a little more painful for everyone involved. It really pisses me off.


those bigots are going to look so stupid 40 years from now
 
2014-02-12 03:15:23 PM  
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2014-02-12 03:16:04 PM  
I say good. The sooner they pass this bill the sooner the Courts can overturn it.
 
2014-02-12 03:18:23 PM  

cchris_39: Ah, so even though your services are not at all compromised you would force others to disregard their own religious beliefs.

Thanks for letting us know your true feelings on the matter.


Just like black people had their own bathrooms, right? Nothing was compromised, and they had access to the same services as white people. I mean, how hard is it to find the Black Bathroom anyway? Weren't they usually right next to the White Bathrooms?
 
2014-02-12 03:19:08 PM  

I drunk what: Voiceofreason01: I drunk what: kansas is racist because it is afraid

It makes me feel a little better that this kind of shiat is likely to be overturned in the courts soon, but each new piece of legislation and each new layer of official bigotry makes that process take a little longer and makes it a little more painful for everyone involved. It really pisses me off.

those bigots are going to look so stupid 40 years from now


They look stupid now.

40 years from now their kids and grandkids will also think they look stupid.
 
2014-02-12 03:19:54 PM  
I'm getting a job as a county clerk in Kansas.

My religion prohibits having contact with bigots and morons.

I'll be in once a month to pickup my check.
 
2014-02-12 03:20:37 PM  

I drunk what: Voiceofreason01: I drunk what: kansas is racist because it is afraid

It makes me feel a little better that this kind of shiat is likely to be overturned in the courts soon, but each new piece of legislation and each new layer of official bigotry makes that process take a little longer and makes it a little more painful for everyone involved. It really pisses me off.

those bigots are going to look so stupid 40 years from now


Nope.  They look pretty stupid right now.
 
2014-02-12 03:21:12 PM  

pueblonative: BTW, do you think there would be a Democratic legislator in Kansas brave enough to call the Republitards bluff and say, "okay, let's up the list of exemptions from sex and gender to sex, creed, religion, race, gender, and physical/mental handicap"  Put the assholes on the spot and have them revote the entire discrimination act for Kansas.


I wouldn't bet on the Republicans backing down. At the last convention of the ruling Conservative Party of Canada (who are supposed to be slightly less crazy than the Republicans) they officially adopted exactly that position - they want to recognize "sincerely held religious belief" as an ironclad defense against any charge of discrimination under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (our BoR). I suspect the Kansas GOP would be ecstatic to have the chance to do the same, no matter how short-lived the result may be.
 
2014-02-12 03:22:00 PM  

Rann Xerox: I drunk what: Voiceofreason01: I drunk what: kansas is racist because it is afraid

It makes me feel a little better that this kind of shiat is likely to be overturned in the courts soon, but each new piece of legislation and each new layer of official bigotry makes that process take a little longer and makes it a little more painful for everyone involved. It really pisses me off.

those bigots are going to look so stupid 40 years from now

Nope.  They look pretty stupid right now.


In fairness, I'm pretty sure they'll still look stupid, only moreso, in 40 years. :)
 
2014-02-12 03:23:24 PM  

Dr Dreidel: cchris_39: Ah, so even though your services are not at all compromised you would force others to disregard their own religious beliefs.

Thanks for letting us know your true feelings on the matter.

Just like black people had their own bathrooms, right? Nothing was compromised, and they had access to the same services as white people. I mean, how hard is it to find the Black Bathroom anyway? Weren't they usually right next to the White Bathrooms?


I know right?  And they always got to eat around back.  "Around back" was always this magical land of mystery and adventure.  How come I was never invited?  What was back there?  Couches?  Bowling?  Jawbreaker dispensers?  A fountain of chocolate champagne?

Oh wait, no, it was dilapidation.
 
2014-02-12 03:25:15 PM  
I wonder if the good citizens of Kansas realize how many millions of dollars they're pissing away passing laws like this that will, without a doubt, get tossed once it hits the court system.
 
2014-02-12 03:25:20 PM  

cchris_39: thurstonxhowell: cchris_39: That seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

Yeah. They'd like to burn gays at the stake, sane people would like to treat gays like they would treat any other people. Clearly, this is an example of a situation where both sides need to compromise.

Do you think people should be forced to set aside their religious beliefs when other people are willing to serve you?


No, I think I should be served by the official that I am currently paying to serve me.
 
2014-02-12 03:25:29 PM  
I just discovered that my rep voted for this piece of crap and it has me legitimately thinking about running for office for the first time.  The guy is in a fairly moderate district so I think he could be beaten and the filing fee is only $105 or 2% of registered voters on a petition (which is probably about 150-200 people or so).  This whole thing just pisses me off and makes the entire state look backwards as hell.

/Submitted with a better headline.
//Basically just the discrimination quotation.
 
2014-02-12 03:26:22 PM  
This is from another discussion I was having about it:

My big issue with that is, in practice, entire towns could be locked out.
Say a same-sex couple with kids (for the cheesy emotional impact) is traveling across the state during a snowstorm, and I-70 gets closed. They have to stop at, say, WaKeeney, Kansas, population 1,800.
They're denied lodging at all five motels in town because they're a same-sex couple, and it's legal according to this bill.


And in rural Kansas this is a HIGHLY likely scenario.

The pastor at my wife's church refused to let us get married in his church because I hadn't "accepted Jesus as my savior." Well within his right to do so. But to have a state employee refuse to take my money for taxes or car tags or any other service because I'm not a fan of the Jesus fan-club, that's ENTIRELY different.
 
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